22 Sep 2018 23:51:05
sorry this is final final post del boy and BIGE

im laughable? i'm wrong? my opinion has no foundation or right?

Bige you said the other day i'm laughable in two season KP has never been given a worst player rating he did against swans and these are what i have read today:

throughitalltogether.sbnation.com/./leeds.

yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/./img19362288

leeds-live.co.uk/./leeds-united-ratings.

now i know i'm banging on, i know i'm like a dog with a bone or a wife with a nag. but come on please i'm not laughable today i have read three things that have said welll bermo you not that laughable we agree with you. thank god. not thank god he ispoor but thank god i ain't going mad and only one who doesn't rate him.

{Ed033's Note - Surely people mean laudable.

1.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 01:07:29
I like kalvin cause he plays a position that goes well under the radar, like Batty, but not in the same level of course. He tracks back, collects the ball deep, plays simple balls, and wins the balls. He's not the kind of player that's going to go on a run and beat 3-4 people and score. Baring in mind the kids 22 and only had 3 full seasons, he is by no means the finished article. I apologise for being rash bermo, but I think you should judge what the kid does at by the end of the season.

2.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 01:35:20
Berm you are entitled to your opinion like the rest of use.

Remember this is a banter site. Maybe people are not being as serious as you think they are.

3.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 07:49:22
it don't seem it canada, and a joke is only a joke when everyone is laughing

from match one i got slated for my KP views. mugged off, laughable, person such things said. so i said time will tell. then with games I have said again why he worries me. then BIGE calls me a joke and laughable as KP has never been given the worst player rating in two seasons. well he did against swans and then four days later he does again. who would not call Bige up for that. what is his response. you're boring. i know but not laughable any credit bige.? course not

i get tpld trust Mb of course but its ok to question BPF and alikskio?

I know i am going on but i'm hurt on this. i don't expect or want everyone to agree this is an opinions site. but i have been slated from day one and when kp plays so badly he proves me right i think i should be able to call it up with being told i'm boring and slated again

two first half subs and rating of 3/ 4 out of ten and still i'm a laughable mug. of course i'm upset with this one. don't agree but don't mug me off either from day one and then every game where KP is slated by oress

finally mb priases and defend KP of course he does klopp did the same with karuis that's whatmanagers do. don't mean he didbnt want to replace him or that karuis was good because klopp said so after 90 minutes.

4.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 07:53:15
and thanls del I agree with a lot of what you say. his positional sense (which I think is bad) will get better with experience. his rash tackles have already improved. and he is a great passer of the ball. for me his is too slow which makes him easy to pass or out of positiion. as for winning the ball back, in every game this season he has commited more fouls than won the ball. that is a stat and very worrying one to me, plus most of his fouls are because he is slow he has to pull player back. so for me he will never cut it but time will tell. again the abuse I have got though on here is bit strong. this is a banter or debate site unless you banter or debate KP it would seem?

5.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 08:03:26
I have not posted on here for ages, but always read the posts,
I agree with you bermondsey, kp is a donkey
Like to see for forshaw play there now and save kp for the poor teams or squad rotation. Kp is a league one player and I have no trust in him. I know injurys have taken there toll over the last few weeks but for me, kp has to make way or we will not be going up. I have total trust in bielsa but that's twice now he's had him off after 30 mins,

6.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 08:16:34
cheers louis. i know some agree with me others don't that's opinions but think it comes from sensible place. i'm not saying something stupid like saiz can't play football or BPF is best young keeper we ever had.

some of the alisko critisim on here i don't agree with but can see where it is coming from.

7.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 08:27:42
Bermondsey, just because Phillip has a bad game, doesn’t prove you right, he had a bad game, so did others. If you get pulled, it’s going to draw attention to your performance and you don’t get a chance to improve your performance either.

If you read the ratings report in, through it all together, it also said he is having a good season!

When you talk about BPF, you talk with understanding how goalie errors look bad, it works in a similar way with KPs position, if those around you are having a mare, the pressure it puts on that position is much greater and it’s your mistakes that stand out.

Question for you? Without buying a new player, because we can’t, if you take him out of the team, how would you set the team up? Would you swap him for somone else or would you change the formation.

8.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 08:48:45
Bermo, you’ll probably be waking up this morning with a big hangover thinking did I go a bit overboard there? Or, maybe I should give it a rest now as my fellow banterers could be getting a tad pissed of with me🤔.

9.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 08:52:06
good point spanish and i repesct your views and how you post them, all i am saying is he has been pulled twice and picked to bits twice as i predicted in game week one and got slated for.

I am understanding with most players. alostki can be great and frustrating, BFP is good young keeper and grown so much in stature yet had a mare today. Beradi is not the most gifted and is too small for CB and yet was motm against brorugh which is hard game

for me KP is a great passer maybe best in the squad. I just think he is too slow and not mobile enough which is such an important trate for his position and will cost him/ us and get him found out. i think he gives away too many fouls due to being run past and doesn't offer enough cover for role, this is a long term ongoing problem that can not be coached in my opinion. so while others have good and bad aspects, KP good aspects (passing) will never outweight his flaw (pace and molibity and abailtiy to tackle and not foul)

how would i set up the team. tough one, i would of brought in a player for KP as I saw left back and KP two main weaknesses of team from last year (with CB) however with this in mind how would i set up? either forshaw for KP which i think will happen in time, dallas for KP in the middle not as wing back, maybe even beradi in KP position as what we lose in passing quality we will make up for in mobility and tackling abaility?

i would also consider a change to wing backs with two up front which i think would favour roberts as he may be better with someone up with him?

maybe someone from youth team, at the end of the day i just would not pick phillips as he lacks in too many important areas not to be a liability in my opinion.

10.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 09:33:25
What i find laughable is every post you put on has a rant about KP. Lot of players wanted slating yesterday. You believe KP offers nothing, fair enough. I believe he does a good job breaking up play. Have always said he will have bad games because his recovery rate is poor. The fact he has started every game, including cup, then goes missing sort of proves my point. that's something that needs working on. Crap player is a matter of opinion. His job is to break up their midfield play, get about the pitch and disrupt their rhythm. He has done a lot of fouls but only has one yellow, one less than Saiz. He is a defensive midfielder wit two assists, one more than Saiz. I am not saying he is the best player we have but as i have said overall his stats are not the worst with an average of 7. We can all quote this stat or that stat or what our friends are saying but its an opinion at the end of the day. You have yours, its well noted. I have mine. If this time next year he is playing for Donny i may agree with you. At the moment he is doing a job for LUFC.

11.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 10:03:47
Looked at a couple of rating sites and KP deservedly got a four rating for the time he was on the pitch. But a lot gave Ayling Douglas 5 for the time they wee on which was a lot longer than KP. Would have thought they would be a lot higher. In fact on some sites 6 was the highest rating which puts it into perspective, bad day all round.

12.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 08:48:27
You won't get a clear answer Spanish. I have tried before to discuss but he just wants everyone to say he is right.

13.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 10:40:22
Thanks Bermondsey.

To be fair your criticism is as much against Bielsa than KP. Bielsa looked at the squad, thought, thinks, Phillips could play that role and chose the formation and player. I think that’s why he said what he did yesterday. He didn’t have Forshaw available pre season, so that probably influenced his thinking as well.

It will be interesting how Bielsa responds this time, with Dallas, Shackleton, Forshaw back, he has a few more options to play around with.

Not sure there is anyone in the under 23s who could do the job, he tried Shaunessy in front of the defence in the last game and it wasn’t pretty.

I thought the interesting part of the sub yesterday was that he took Phillips off and didn’t just ask him to drop back into three centrebacks and adjust around him. So we might see some experimentation this week and a new plan for weds on Friday!

14.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 10:47:24
Berms, when I read through yesterday's posts, it did feel to me like you were the kid in the playground who had been singled out for a free for all persecuting by a baying mob of classmates, but at the end of the day, I wouldn't let it get to you as much as it appears to. If we are going to talk about posting laughable opinions, I don't rate KP and I would sell him just for his choice of hairstyle. He offends my eyes and doesn't play at a level where we couldn't get a better player who doesn't turn up looking like a court jester. I know that the comparison with Batty was qualified by the observation that he isn't as good, but I cannot see any comparison at all. Batty was under rated, this lad is just pants. I could play better if I had had a leg amputated and 15 double JDs. There, it's out there, I think he's pants and I know that my judgement is partly an irrational inability to not be annoyed just by looking at him ie my opinion is laughable, but I am indifferent to who says it, it is a banter site. Ps in light of my feelings about him, I quite enjoy it when you slate the preposterous looking little sh1te!

15.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 10:55:46
If we go up we need consistency, kp does not have it, I think alioski is not worth a starting role in a team chasing promotion, he blows hot and cold. All my opinions but I trust bielsa to make the important decisions. We have started well and injurys have cost us, but Joys of a small squad. Loving the Sunday morning debate.

16.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 11:02:35
thanks spanish, that is why i love this site to debate leeds wich is something i can not do where i live,

notts go do one, just insluting me and i have put many times reasons for and against any player including KP. so your post is just wrong as spanish put in his repsone to my answer to him.

BIGE i understand you getting annoyed with my many KP posts but just as many are not. and can you please answer my questions to you? do you think it was right to say my opinion is laughable? do you think it was right to say he never got a bad rating when he did agsint swans (was that a lie on your part or did you miss it) and finally do you think i was in my right to mention more poor rtaings when just four days ago you said it never happens? you can get annoyed with my posts, but I also have everyright to get annoyed when you call someting i say which is debateable but just laughable

lucas. thanks for the get out, but i'm on antibotics for tooth ache so can't drink. no hang over just really upset/ P~###d off with some in here, as i am sure they are me

finally tory. state of my barnet i have no right to laugh at KP's hair i look like a new romantic gone wrong, as for playing better than him i'm a keeper who let in 6 yesterday so again i will watch myself there, however i just think he is very poor and out of depth and feel some of the hatred towards me is unjust.

17.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 11:15:33
Thats fine LUFC. I respect that. Your right he looks a t==t. But i do not have to agree with you about his abilities. KP obviously divides people on this. You believe you are right others think you are wrong. People have had a dig at me on this site in the past but that is what sites like this are about. Its not a drama its banter. No one is persecuting anyone they are challenging an opinion. Maybe the angst comes from the fact its gone on so long. Would suggest we leave it till the new year and see where we are then.

18.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 11:18:20
BW you just want to argue rather than discuss opinions about the team or tactics. So I will "do one" when it comes to responding to your self congratulating essays.

19.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 12:42:24
BW i was not saying your opinion was laughable but the fact that you express it in every post you make mate. Its like deja vu every day. I did not include Swansea as he was taken off early, maybe i should have. But you have not addressed the fact he averages a rating of 7 which does not make him the worst. As i said stats are stats and opinions are opinions and you value your own greatly but so do i. At the end of the season i may be proved wrong, then again so may you. The fact is the two games when KP was took off we dropped 4 points, maybe coincidence who knows. We did not play any better with him off the pitch. Do not think this is KP best position, do not think he can play 3 games a week, but do not think he is crap and useless and not worth his place either.

20.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 13:22:27
ok BIGE maybe i misudnerstood the laughable post from you which did cause offence and I did take personally. I agree about his position, i think he is like pirlo or a number ten, great quality on the ball and can hurt teams with a pass. I would in fact rest saiz at times and play KP there. I think he doesn't know defensive mid well enough, which ain't his fault he is new to it but still costs points (like BPF yesterday) I also think he is poor in the tackle and gives away too many fouls again not his fault but i would prefer him further up the ptich. that said I properly respect him like beradi for playing out of position and giving all for shirt.

for the record i do not want everyone to agree with me, i be worried if they did, i grew up a staight guy in musical theatre supporting leeds living in millwall, i'm use to being in the minority just feel some posts have been little disrepectful which i don't expect from 'one of my own' i get that from millwall in the pub. and think this has driven me on to try and justify my points even if i don't expect everyone to agree, just see where i am coming from. anyway i shall leave KP be. it is driving people nuts (i know others beat me to that joke but i liked it)

21.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 14:22:08
Nothing personal BW. As i said i used to enjoy your posts but you have been a little intense lately. KP is no world beater yet but he is young with a bit to learn yet playing in an unaccustomed role doing the best he can. When the team are playing well he contributes. He can start slow some games but as i said earlier he has always had a poor recovery rate between games, not sure why. Think he needs resting now and then once another player gets the hang of his role. Its not an easy position to play.

22.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 15:41:34
me. intense. never. ok. maybe a little. ok BIGE fair enough.

23.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 16:30:10
Batty underrated? I've always been of the opinion he was greatly OVERrated, bit of a thug with not a lot of interest in the game. Ooooh, controversial?

24.) 23 Sep 2018
23 Sep 2018 22:09:21
ohhhh stafford that is contraversial. personally i rated batty as very very good at what he did. nearly won three leagues with three different teams in four years i think, that can't be a conicndence can it? batty is the white kante. no kante is the black batty!