Leeds Banter Archive December 12 2011
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12 Dec 2011 23:19:36
How about we make a real statement in January and sign a really influential midfielder ( I know he's released a sky story swearing loyalty, but...)
Why doesn't Simon Grayson put in a loan move for Frank Lampard. (1) He said he wants to play regular football, which we can guarantee. (2) If he's going to bench warm at Chelsea he wont get in the England Squad. (3) He's getting old and he's not got many football years left and he's already a millionaire so now at 33 he is just going to want to play football (4) He would really drive us on and could be our next Gordon Strachan (5) Bates could get a good deal as he still has ownership of some of Chelsea's property so they have to keep on good terms with him (They want his Penthouse so they can move stadium or expand the current one but he won't sell)
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Realistically, if Lampard was to leave Chelsea i think there would be a massive queue of Prem clubs who would take him on. Also playing in the championship doesn't get an England place anyway so argument falls down there. And millionaire or not, I would be willing to bet he wouldn't drop down from 100k+ a week to 15k max and very few championship can afford to pay that.
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Is this really a genuine suggestion. Why aren't clouds made of chocolate, why don't women jump all over you like in the Lynx adverts?
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Although Bates looks like Santa, he aint bringing us Lampard for xmas!
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Lampard was a leeds target once upon a blue moon, i think o leary offered 8 or 9 million but chelsea bought him for 12 mil if im right....oh and to the guy who said why don't women jump all over you like in the Lynx adverts? you made my day haha cheers :D
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This is the best thread for a while on here. Does anyone actually believe an exceptional footballer like Lampard would be interested in playing second division football? Maybe this was the guy that said sack Grayson and bring in Ancellotti - still makes me laugh...
As for the past, I believe West Ham asked for 10 million, the word was that O'Leary really wanted him but Ridsdale said it was too much and, further down the line, bought the midfield legend that was Seth Johnson for 7 million instead. As for Lampard - I can't think of any player who hasn't come through a youth system that has ever been better value for money for a club than Lampard has been for Chelsea. We really missed out there.
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12 Dec 2011 22:48:59
Personally Leeds should try to buy Alex McCarthy from Reading in January.
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Pointless task right now. Man bang in form. They won't sell. Not for a sensible price anyway and we all know about Ken's budget. Time to grab him is when we got a bit of leverage like being in the Premiership. We should try get him in the summer.
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You buy him then!
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12 Dec 2011 18:02:54
my team would be (if all are there)
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GK) lonergan
RB) Connolly
CB) Less
CB) kisnorbo
LB) White
RM) Snodgrass
CM) Clayton
LM) McCormack
RAM) Somma
LAM) Howson
ST) Becchio
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McCarthy,Keogh,Sam,Pugh,Nunez
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Somma is an out an out striker so wouldn't work. Connolly has Done ok but is average so I would like a new RB. As much as I like Kisnorbo, he was at fault for the goal and the pen against Watford and I feel he may only be good as cover. I agree with others and lets hope new signings will be here at the start of Jan, not transfer deadline day!
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Far too many strikers in that team for 1 up front. Can't put square pegs in round holes. Personally, i'd like to see varynen and nunez given a start whilst we have injuries, or maybe pugh holding.
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With that formation the centre of the park would be exploited more than kerry katonas bank account
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Somma can play right winger and AM aswell but he is best as a striker
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Thought Somma was still some way off returning yet, has only just started light running.
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I said the team become somma can help becchio upfront and it is just the players
who are at the club Like to see somma back good player
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Somma is no right winger, are you mad? he does one thing and one thing only. score goals.
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12 Dec 2011 16:54:34
no timescale on Howson injury. because he doesn't have a clue. again. like every other injured player for the last 3 years. we need a new Physio team if anything.
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Or maybe because with the window coming up the club don't want everyone to know that we are in the market for a CM? Have a think before slagging the club off eh?
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Oh you on your break from your physiotherapy business? Do you understand the problems of diagnosing a recovery period for any injury, never mind one in the knee area, the most stabilised joint in the human body, and the one that bears the greatest strain... You do?
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No i don't. and clearly the clubs physios have limited knowledge also.
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And how is coming out and saying our captain is sidelined indefinitely going to benefit our chances in the transfer window? take your own advice mate.
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Its all about mind games for the other clubs. They plan who they think will start for us and come up with a formation to beat us. Everyone knows when Howson is fit he plays. Also its bad morale for a player if you say a month out that turns out to be 2 month. So stop bickering with each other.
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Great replies to the OP who is clearly another person who has no idea and will never be satisfied regardless of what our club says or does. You must lead such a depressing life being so negative about something you claim to be passionate about, I dread to think what you must be like talking about something you don't like!
How's about being thankful that Howsons injury isn't going to keep him out for long, the fact that we're in the playoff zone at the moment and that we are not about to go bankrupt and disappear like we did not so long ago? In other words, try getting behind the club, the players and the management rather than doing your best to find anything possible to complain about....MOT
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The good news is Howson has not torn his cruciate ligament
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To the person who said "Oh you on your break from your physiotherapy business? Do you understand the problems of diagnosing a recovery period for any injury, never mind one in the knee area, the most stabilised joint in the human body, and the one that bears the greatest strain... You do?"
you obviously have no concept of human anatomy. if you did , you would know that the knee is the least stable joint in the human body and thats why it is suspectable to sports injuries. the tibial plateau and the femoral condyles have poor bony congruency and therefore the knee relies on soft tissue such as meniscus cartilage and ligaments to give it some stability. It is fairly easy to diagnose the structures involeved but as you rightly said the recovery time for knee trauma can be between a matter of 4/6 weeks to 9/12 months depending on severity AL
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12 Dec 2011 15:46:56
No doubt I'll be accused of wearing rose-tinted glasses but I do like to try & focus on the positives rather than some of the doom & gloom merchants we get here.
The statistics from the Watford game (taken from their web site) show the following (Watford figures first):
Possession 50/50
Shots on Target 4/2
Off Target 3/7
Corners 3/5
Fouls 13/11
Yellow Cards 1/0
OK we played below par based on recent performances BUT we had more shots & corners which makes me feel we were more forward focussed i.e. more pro-active in looking for the result - as SG says NOT giving up.
They committed more fouls - we were out pacing them when in possession.
So, with my rose tints off, what does this mean? We had a bad day but still were good enough to keep in the game & promotion race.
C'mon loiners lets all be positive & start believing.
Leeds TID
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There is a guy who likes posting on here who is pretty much obsessed with accusing everyone of wearing roses tinted glasses. It's his fav phrase!
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He should av gone to spec savers.
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Ive ordered a pair of rose tinted glasses for xmas but yes agree you can spot the regular mailers by their paraphrasing -
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You never get anywhere just looking at positives, i think that is sg's problem, the negatives in our team are that obvious 99% of fans can see them. we are 1 or 2 cbs lite along with a decent rb and a holding midfielder as brown is rather aged. i also look at positives but the only way to improve is to work on the negatives!!
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Pretty sure SG knows where the problems are too - especially given the position he played in his playing days. I expect he's just as frustrated as us. Shopping in the loan/free market isn't that easy.
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You gotta accentuate the positive,deliberate the negative,latch on to the affirmative and dont mess with SG in between haha.
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What you need is a degree in astro physics then everything will come clear!
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You just need to slip on the 'RTG's' ( Rose tinted glasses) and let the relaxation wash over you.
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12 Dec 2011 12:44:11
team against royals
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lonergan, connelly(needs replacing in jan, 3-white(deal with kebes pace) lees, kis, snoddy, varynyen, clayton, sam, nunez, becchio.#
pugh,brown,mac,keogh,m. taylor suibs
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McCormack for Nunez, he needs to forge a partnership with Luciano.
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Everyone going on about big mac, i agree great start but nunez also started brightly and does well when he comes on, he wants to play and prove his worth, i dont think he is given a good enough chance.
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Pugh on the bench? He's our most versatile player and one of the most consistent.
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Same could be said for Forssel,hasnt been given a run.
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12 Dec 2011 11:43:55
SG to take a stand, do the difficult thing and drop Paddy for the Reading game? He got destroyed on Saturday.
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I agree, but Grayson can be dropped also!
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And who are going to replace Grayson with? Since I rubbished the usual fantasy list on here I haven't seen a single realistic suggestion.
The rules are - must have 2 x promotions, 1 x play offs, top 7 in first season in championship in first 6 years of management, be affordable under KB's financial structure, be prepared to work with no transfer funds, not whine when good players are sold and funds not put back into team, want to manage Leeds.
Bet you can't name a single person who fits the bill...
If you can - I suggest you buy the club, put your manager in place and then we'll all see how clever you really are.
In the meantime, maybe you'd like to consider being a real supporter, or at least do us all a favour and f*ck off and support Man City or some other club with cash to buy trophies...
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Billy Davies?
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Billy Davies had massive busts up with derby and forest boards about budget. Other than that i think he is actually a good manager who gets teams playing football. Having said that though, i'm happy with how grayson is doing to be fair!
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To the above, I suggested Billy Davies. I like you support SG and don't want to seem him go anywhere. However, I was just throwing him out there as the most viable alternative I could think of. I agree that he is lively when it comes to debating budgets with his boards. He is also very annoying and refers to himself in the third person as 'Billy Davies' as if he is talking about someone else!! Drives me nuts. Good championship manager though.
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Billy 'job done' Davies - no thanks. Lets stick with Grayson. lets see what he does in January when hopefully Papa Smurf will loosen the purse strings.
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I'm the one who posted the vitriolic reply stating 'the rules'. Davies is the only realistic suggestion I've ever seen on the list but there is no way he'd last a year with Ken Bates. Davies has walked out on two better funded jobs than the ER job and whilst I think he's a good manager we need someone like Grayson who's in it for the long haul. I reckon the only reason Grayson's still here is because he's a Leeds man through and through. Most managers of his calibre would have gone somewhere with money to spend.
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12 Dec 2011 10:39:46
in the YEP macarthy has come out and said he wants to stay with us, kb should show some ambition and buy him whatever the cost because keepers can win you points just as much as outfield players and his record for me since he has been here and his performances have been very impressive!
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Apart from maybe a couple of slip ups in the Barnsley games he's been very impressive. But I can't help but thinking what I imagine will be around a million pounds for him might go better somewhere else in the team?
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I would love to buy McCarthy as he's so young yet already so gifted, however, we have an excellent keeper in Lonners and an able back up in Taylor, if we spent £1million on him, would this not be better spent on a centre back/Lichaj?
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12 Dec 2011 10:34:59
My suggestion for reading on saturday.
agree or disagree.
play 451 with
connelly odea lees pugh
snodgrass brown clayton white
nunez
becchio
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Chuck a goalie in there and id go with that
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I think we should go without a keeper vs Reading, see how it works out.
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We tried that against Blackpool ........ it didn't work
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Ha ha, I guess paul Chewbaka doesn't count.
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12 Dec 2011 00:33:48
Jw all the people who think grayson should go who should we get that uncle ken could afford I think he's doing well there's better tactically but he's a good motivator and has a lot more passion and staying power than some of the fair weather Leeds fan on here
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There are so many fans that like having a go at other Leeds fans. What makes you think your any better than the next Leeds fan? AND before you answer just think what you sound like to all those Leeds fans who love their club and because of that dare to have an opinion that may differ to yours!
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Just because some of us leeds fans who logisticaly cant make it to many games ,doesnt mean we arent intitled to an opinion" leeds and proud londonderry n.ireland MOT
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Thing is, if you don't watch the games regularly, in full, then you don't really know what's going on. I don't really watch telly. As a fairly dedicated (hobbyist) musician I have an opinion on the X Factor but since I don't actually watch it then I'd accept it was a prejudiced opinion of no real validity. It's great that you're supporting LUFC from across the sea but it does mean your opinion is, inevitably, limited by restricted knowledge. {Ed003's Note - Do you realise how obnoxious you have just come across as ? }
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