Leeds Banter Archive January 12 2014

 

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12 Jan 2014 23:04:40
I never watch motd because I just follow Leeds; from afar (Copenhagen) but it's on and all it's done is depress me - seeing some of the Liverpool goals against Stoke, followed by goal of the month, I want to cry. we are as far away and as able to compete in the premier league as Portsmouth. who on earth are we kidding that we will aim for promotion or the play offs with the players we have, even if we scraped ourselves I to 6th and then miraculously won the play off final, and 10 new players, we would still be humiliated - we are a long way away yet. why can't we even have the joy of a Rochdale fan experience of overcoming the odds, playing well and pulling off a proud and earnest performance? at least under Warnock the Blade we beat Everton & Spurs AND played well - perhaps Warnock was as baffled as we all are now as to why we ended up so turd so suddenly - although no-one can bear to see hoofball. Last but not least the Blackpool game was absolute turd never mind Rochdale - Leeds were appalling - living abroad with 3 kids I can only see games on the box but I did have the pmispleasure of witnessing the Rochdale debacle;why is Austin still not only playing, but the captain. sigh.

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12 Jan 2014 22:07:15
Hang on here. He brought in 4 players in summer without any funds. Transfer window closed august to December. It's just opened. Funds just available.He's just brought two in. They need time to settle. May be more soon. Give him a chance. JD

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Well said, panic has never achieved anything but sinking the ship

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12 Jan 2014 21:25:39
Does Peltier know the off side law as he has been responsible for playing players on side in past two weeks with a goal resulting
Enobeano

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12 Jan 2014 21:18:40
Very good article on RITGK. Expands on my own posts here. McD can't handle the pressure. He knows about Revie the past and fan expectations. He can't handle it. Only that accounts for weird team selection tactics and formation. I dare him not to play 442 next time. Be out of a job for sure. Hope Haigh is reading this. That's reading Brian not Reading.

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12 Jan 2014 22:08:01
Did I mention I got to a play off final and won promotion the following season at reading? Thanks bmd

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12 Jan 2014 21:07:18
its not all doom and gloom 49, s just won

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12 Jan 2014 21:41:39
my girlfriend became quite interested in supprting Leeds but she mis-heard me thinking I said that we are going to be tied up for the rest of the season with a 69- er

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12 Jan 2014 20:59:18
Leicester is going to be disastrous.

We hardly ever do well against them as it is, I'd take losing by 2, that's how bad I think our position is at the moment.

There is no hiding from e fact we are average at best, the results before the Christmas period were a result of the players playing above ability, they then got tired and overplayed (because of a lack of depth in the squad) and chances are Leicester will be no different.

I don't like to be negative, but at least if we are realistic then anything other than a defeat from the league leaders is a bonus.

I also hope the transfer targets put up on here are not real targets otherwise we might as well be in League One already. When are we getting real quality in? None of this lower league, average dribble.

MOT

SussexLeeds

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12 Jan 2014 20:57:43
What do others think the money situation is at ER? BMD mentioned last week that he thought Nakhi Wells was a good player. Did the cost prove too high for Leeds to bid or were we never interested on the first place? It's starting to feel very déjà vu.

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12 Jan 2014 22:25:10
Had it from a goof source we couldn't or wouldn't match small dogs 4 and half year offer.

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12 Jan 2014 20:43:06
this is key = speaks volumes; Players laughing during matches when losing

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12 Jan 2014 20:03:43
Great news . Green is almost fit, yay our problems are over . Notttttttt
What an absolute joke, how did we end up with so many below average players? Stewart will prove to be as bad a signing as hunt if that's possible and I'm afraid the truth is we have no one in our squad that we can bring in that will make a blind bit of difference, sad but true
Time to give the kids a chance

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You only had to look at Mowatt on Saturday and he is one of the best we have. As for Green he puts in more of a shift than the current midfield. Stick to football manager mate.

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Op here
Creativity is what we need and green has about as much of that as tom lees

Dawson could do a job

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What ye talking about? What kids? The kids will get smashed. There at least 2/3 years away from first team football and that's if they ever get there .

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Instead of you and everyone else on here moaning how about getting your arses to the game saturday the club deserves are support more than ever no more excuses.

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12 Jan 2014 22:25:13
Yh Mowatt was superb against Wednesday. Good one!

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I agree with the poster about Mowat, he looked like a tubby teenager who couldn't keep up on Saturday. if he's the best of the youngsters at Leeds the answer to the problems don't lay there. 49 years I've been supporting Leeds and I don't think I've seen such a poor performance as Saturday. No fight, no guts, no leadership, its all very embarrassing at the moment! You're all very naughty boys

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Been a Leeds fan 30+ years and I've NEVER seen a team take to the pitch as they did @ Wendies.
NOT 1 PLAYER HAD ANY PASSION ABOUT PULLING A SHIRT ON.

WHATS HAPPENED IN THE DRESSING ROOM YOU don't LOSE CONFIDENCE IN 2 MATCHES?

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The problem for me in the dressing room is diouf
How would you feel if you had to go in to work every day while you watch a colleague still getting paid swanning around not turning up every day and jetting off every we're
That's what's happening at elland road Brian needs to get rid of him it's causing disharmony

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12 Jan 2014 19:58:03
Forrest ready to bid 4m for Connor wickam Huddersfield sign naki wells and we get one or two loans in I'm sick of other clubs in our league spending and we supposed to be challenging for promotion.

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12 Jan 2014 19:18:24
Things that make me angry about our beloved club-
1) Austin is still playing
2) Austin is our captain
3) The awful system BMD refuses to change
4) The tactics in general
5) Every players inability to play a short pass
6) A non existent rotation
7) The never ending takeover talks
8) Players laughing during matches when losing
9) BMD referring to reading all the time
10) Excuses regarding money and results
11) Loan signings
12) Austin again (must be BMD's favourite)
If anyone can think of anymore let me know, already people are starting to try and get positives but i'm a realist and its not good enough. I for one was happy when BMD came in but its like he just does not see the games, he refuses to change things, tactics or players. I would of dropped austin ages ago, and the system should of been scrapped once teams realised how to break it down. Come on BMD sort it out, and the players should be ashamed too, vinny.

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How about moaning fans

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12 Jan 2014 20:31:54
Did you mention I got to play off final and got promotion the following season with reading? Thanks bmd

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12 Jan 2014 21:06:18
it comes down to surporters to get behind the team and encourage them when its not going wright so let's all get behind our team and club we are the mighty leeds our gaffer will get us there come on the leeds the mighty leeds

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McDermott said a month into the season he was looking for the right system to get the best out of the squad, hasn't happened, and the fans have every right to be moaning, many others like myself travel week in out and pay our hard earned money to be served with absolute garbage performances, it's not on and I would hope I speak for a majority that we've just about had enough of it, all we want is a team that plays like Leeds Utd fans expect and that means when you pull on the shirt you are LEEDS UTD, you would give your all for club and fans, we know there are no Bremner, Strachans, Grays, Battys etc in the squad but at least give it a go and get stuck in, because the likes of Baird, Shutt, Chapman, V Jones etc although not not technically gifted they gave they're all.

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13 Being told to be patient

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You forgot about Austin, he`s garbage :)

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12 Jan 2014 19:17:07
I can't believe the person that said we have the personnel to do well with 4-4-2, apart from McCormack where's the other strikers that will do well, from our spineless midfield who will do well, also our weak defenders from them who can do well, ISO no we don't have the personnel to do well no matter what formation we use.also this new chief scout that mcdermott was singing the praises of he's doing a tremendous job NOT.

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12 Jan 2014 18:45:02
Lets all show our support to BMD by singing his name and boo the players as they go onto the pitch they are the ones taking our money they are people watching leeds who go with out to see them and these players are laughing at us they can't even be bothered for 90 mins so let's support BMD because he wouldn't let us down so let's not let him down so let's support him i'm sure he will get us back to the top let's follow him MOT

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12 Jan 2014 21:24:30
why don't everybody stop puting our club down at first chance let's just get behind our club and manager and help get its confirdance back up we are the mighty leeds sorry for my spelling

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12 Jan 2014 17:27:04
Just thought I'd drop what my ideas for the team should be at current.
Kenny(needs replacing or competition)
Byram zaliukas Pearce Pugh
(Change Pugh for warnock when he's had a couple sub apps for match fitness)
Stewart brown murphy Kebe
(Brown is guarenteed a booking but at least he can break down play and pass, other players will have actually trained together now and should fend a lot better this sat)
McCormack varney
(Smith suspended obvs varney got pace and strong in the air and o be honest who the hell else have we got?

Bench candidates: cairns(obv reasons) warnock/ Pugh, peltier, mowatt, green, hunt :s poleon

Any input anyone?

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12 Jan 2014 17:58:16
I think Austn played at center half along side pearce as part of a back 4, could b a good option. We lack pace. What do u think?.

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You've missed out Ariyibi. Would rather we catered for him instead of Kebe. i'd go 442 with Stewart left and Ariyibi right, Brown and Tonge in the middle for freshness and Poleon/MC up top. Just go and and bore out a result like we normally do.

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You got to be joking. Austin should be nowhere near the first team, he last played well against Birmingham, and that's not good enough. I can't believe he is still our captain, strange choice just like Peltier last season. BMD must be blind to keep playing him and he's obviously oblivious to the fact that the 352/532 system has been cracked. Vinny.

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Get the tea ladies out to play for Leicester game.

Meanwhile, the players should also be forced to watch a replay of yesterday's game twice a day until they start to perform.

All (with a couple of exceptions) should write an open apology to the fans with a commitment that they'll play with 200% more effort and 200% better in every game to the end of the season, or forfeit their wages and give it to a charity for each game they fail to meet this commitment.

BMcD should be the last signatory. but sign his name with a bloody thick marker pen.

Shameful display.

MOT

Toronto White.

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12 Jan 2014 20:34:39
Austin at centre half? Making challenges in and around our penalty area = penalty and red card fest!

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Sick of hearing fans like you slag of austin ffs really gets on my nervs blaming one player when all of them need to take some blame let's all just behind them saturday again I thought us leeds fans never give up reading some of the stuff on here you would have though we have already let's march on together.

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Sorry forgot about aryibi but to be honest only know a bit about him so really can't judge. Austin at cb is not a good idea his challendges in that area cause you penalties at least once a game. Green can't be a bad option once fit at least he has experience and playing central rather than right mid( as he has done) would probably suit him better. Preferred signings anyone? I'm looking for a good cb and cm to make a spine with Ross. What are the thoughts?

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And to the Austin lover:off he's being awful all season not good enough and your brainless to keep defending him unless he's still performing well on fifa for you.

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Toronto white although I agree with most of your statement come on wake up please 200% effort?

HOW DO YOU PUT IN 200% EFFORT

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12 Jan 2014 17:17:04
dundee white here well it was a long long trip back home after that match or should I say miss match not a lot said in the car well nothing that I can say on here I did not want to post anything today because its all been said but the boss has said we are not going to get anyone in b4 the leicester game can"t be right we need more up front now not later

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Think we need to sort defence out first, then midfield, think we have forwards that can score if a) they stay on the pitch, or b) they get decent service.

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Fair question. bt I said 200% MORE effort.
They only put in at most 33% effort (they get 20% effort credit fer packing their kit and driving to Sheffield) . but 200% more of 33% would put them at 99%. and thye can keep that extra 1% to ste things up in the play offs.

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12 Jan 2014 13:39:58
Ed, Is there a way of posting who is out of contract at the end of this year within Leeds team

Curious as to see who we can get rid of.

I just can't see us signing anybody at all this year
Wells went for just £1.3 mill and We are told he's out of our price range.
However, if you read the boards comments ; they say they have put in £6 million into the team since end of November where the hell has this money gone >?
Com on Ed 013 cheer up my chitty weekend please

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{Ed013's Note - Off the top of my head I think it is the following mate; Diouf, Norris, Brown and Drury}

Dont think we pay them sort of wages to justify 6 mill spent . think new owners are just full off s. t and are taking the p. s just like bates . they just try to come across as wanting to do well, loan a couple of players, odd cheap game etc but still with our gates, fanbase, turnoveretc we need a board with some ambition

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Well i'm not certain but isn't the rent up on ELLAND ROAD?
Ohhhh and guess what its going up season by season and from what i'm told its around 6 mill a year ;(

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12 Jan 2014 16:55:03
I don't think BMd a bad manager (his record at Reading was good so he keeps reminding us) but he's a bad manager for us. Underuse of squad overuse of players poor tactics and formations. So what's the reason for his problem - he can't hack the pressure which comes with a job as big as LUFC. Bigger fan base bigger stadium bigger city bigger history. He just can't take it mentally. Get rid. Bring in RDM.

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12 Jan 2014 17:13:49
Who rdm?

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Best manager we have had for years - calm collected and intelligent - give the man a chance - the problem with football today is 'expectations' - Revie Ferguson look at the patience they had - jumping managers does no good - stability will come under BMD - he just needs a better group of players - who are more committed mentally to the big games - getting a group together takes time MOT like Sparticus or go panic? - be calm and chill for the long run

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Roberto di Matteo

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12 Jan 2014 18:29:52
Calm and collected? Says a beginning of week we needed to help Ross out then plays him up top on his own. Then says we can attract prem players when players are signing for Burnley and huddersfield rather than us. he's a lovely bloke but he's lost it get rid!

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You are wrong. You used to be right buy not anymore. Look at the names you cited for examples. They are long gone. If we adopt the patient route, we decline maybe drop a league as weaker teams get stronger. Time to act is now. We need better players but probably also a better manager. Yes he does not have the personnel but that's no excuse for feeble tactics and formation. He will be sacked soon enough. You will see.

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I don't think getting rid of him is the answer. Give him time to clear out all the dead wood & bring in his own then we can judge him. Granted, some of the signings he had made haven't paid off yet & the last few weeks the team performances have been awful. He's also made some terrible mistakes team & tactics wise but let's see if he learns from them before calling for him to be sacked.

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Why do I feel that I just defeated my own argument in the last few sentences of my previous post?

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Bad signings, bad selections, bad formations, no motivation, but yeah he's a nice bloke so let's stick with him!!??

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12 Jan 2014 16:17:23
It's time for Haigh to have a secret meeting with RDM

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RDM worked his magic in Chelsea - but why? Becos he knows the club inside out and all the players and he had it all on plate from previous mangers work and transfers - plus all the money at chelsea/ WHY oh why do you think he would be a success at elland rd? He wouldn't - its a whole different ball game up here - trust in longer term and Brian - if this run continues for 6 more games then maybe - and brian would be the first to step down if results go that way i'm sure.

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12 Jan 2014 16:12:21
I wonder if the board have put a block on mcdermott making anymore signings, because a heavy loss at home against Leicester which looks on the cards then he could be gone.mcdermott saying no signings till after Leicester makes you wonder, especially as he said he wants his business done early, and after smiths red card yesterday.also with Varney and poleon been linked with moves away you would have thought a striker and defender were necessity.

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12 Jan 2014 16:45:48
just need to go back to basic 4 4 2 and we have the players to do well

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On the cards? You can put your life on it. Leicester our bogey team in the best of times. We will be heavily beaten. I don't expect Brian to have a job by Valentines Day if not before.

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12 Jan 2014 17:44:40
get diouf back on the pitch in a 4 4 1 1 free role behind front man and reliable brown holding in the centre with bryam as creative player beside him with our 2 new wingers and get warnock back at left back where he should be and to all leeds fans let's get behind our great team and club

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12 Jan 2014 18:08:06
i agree with 4 4 1 1 but mac behind poleon wood be better

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12 Jan 2014 15:27:13
To start with the whole team need to be sat down and watch the full match from yesterday, if that can't motivate them into a decent performance against Leicester then nothing will.

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Watch Rochdale game after that
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Won't help. The only person who needs to watch is the manager for bad formation tactics and team selection.

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12 jan 2014 15:20:49
am sick of everybody moaning about this and that, put diouf in the side he's the best footballer at the club bar non, he's cool and can make things happen.
bmd tactic are to be questioned, as soon as we lose possession we fall back to the 18 yd box and fail to pick up the opposition, we need defenders who know how to defend, buy full backs and a c/b put byram as a holding midfield and dump austin, you moan about varney, brown etc but they sweat blood for the shirt wake up ffs stop looking tgrough rose tinted glasses we are poor because half the players have no love for the club or shirt.
i hope bmd can turn things round because leeds are my life and always will be, it's not a business it's my live breath
luafc

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12 Jan 2014 16:50:36
back to 4 4 2 with duof free role behind front man and our 2 new wingers we have the players to do well

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Where do you lot come from? HHD is about 12 stone at the moment and had NO games - get real

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12 Jan 2014 18:45:11
mac behind pileon would be better with the two new pacey wingers and pileons pace would cause teams real probs and 4 at the back with brown to hold would behard to break down

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12 Jan 2014 14:18:24
For me. A player who has taken so much stick from the fans. Should always be in the team
and that man is Michael brown! Check the statistics and I think you will find that our goals against ratio is much lower when he plays than when he doesn't. He also stops the opposing teams midfield settling with his aggresive play. And always gives 100% and plays for the shirt and team. Bmc said we lacked leadership last week. So why not brown as captain? He would gee them all up. Remember spurs in cup last season? No more to be said!
Bob.wakefield

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I could not agree more bob its a shame he his at the age he is.but win lose or draw he gives his all leetattmot

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I must say I've never been a huge fan but after the last 5-6 weeks he has to play, imagine what the likes of brown must be thinking watching the last few games, that whole team should be dropped as punishment for their recent performances. play the youth team don't imagine they could do much worse

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12 Jan 2014 13:41:04
The team yesterday should be throughly ashamed of themselves. Players who are not committed to the cause and not proud enough to call themselves Leeds United players.
I witnessed a slack performance at Derby earlier in the season, but it was never as bad as yesterday.
As I have been harping on here for a while Austin is CRAP! . Time BMD sat them down and question who is prepared to compete in a game. Apart from Mcormack they were all embarrassing. Do they think the opposition is going to give them the ball and allow us to keep it. Lost count of the times Austin gave the ball away. Doesn't matter who is in the team if they are not prepared to actually compete!

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Thats why he has got them in today as he said he wants to clear the air players to voice an opinions and he can hopefully tell a few home truths about our under performing players.

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Can we all take a chill pill
I want success as much as any Leeds fan but I want it to be sustained. I want to be back in the Premiership for the long haul. I want to be lauding the exploits of Byram, Murphy, Mowatt, Lees, McCormack, Stewart, Charlie Taylor, Walters, Parkin et all. These are young kids who will improve IF WE LET THEM.
I love the fact we have McDermott. I believe in him. I think we are lucky.

All at Leeds United.keep going I am sure you guys will come good. Your my team

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12 Jan 2014 13:39:00
Let's get this right, mcdermott says no signings before Leicester game, so smith will be banned am I correct, so who plays alongside McCormack, please don't say he's going with same formation.

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Varney! Great eh

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God help us, Varney I suspect. Hunt has been equally woeful, but maybe him. Unless Diouf comes in from the cold

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12 Jan 2014 14:46:59
id play varney even though people will disagree

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I say play Kebe as centre forward. He is quick and strong and run straight at centre of opposition defence. Only temporary measure though.

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No Signings before the Leicester game? I hope this is not code for that's it for the January transfer window? Two loan deals who are not going to make much difference. We need a top striker and a midfield play maker. MOT

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I don't think varney is as bad as people say at least he has a bit of pace and aerial presence. I know he hasn't set the world alight but think with a traditional 442 practice with the formation he will be good for us. let's see how it pans out anyway but think he will definitely start next game and I'm putting a couple quid on him scoring ;) ha worth a punt!

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12 Jan 2014 18:17:38
i would play poleon instead of varny he has much more pace but who ever plays let's all get behind our team

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12 Jan 2014 13:00:06
As much as I can not stand warnock I think a lot of supporter on hear are no better than him a quick fit and straight into prem attitude which nearly end up relegating us back to league 1.
When Mcd came in he said would it not be a quick and that it take a couple of seasons to get right blend of player to try and get us out this league and back into the premier. You all agreed he was the right man for the job and was not bother if it took a couple of seasons to get it right because of al the dead wood that we had at the club. Now we are in bad patch you all want him to leave because not not good enough yet most of the squad is still warnock a player that he bought you all say we stand our Leeds throu thick and thin well why not by our manager the same instead of wanting him out and give him the couple of season to try and get right just you all said you would

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12 Jan 2014 13:28:50
Never right man for me or our board at the time but he was cheaper than Gus. Hope haigh learns an expensive lesson!

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12 Jan 2014 13:33:34
Hes brought 8 players to the club 4 of which he didn't consider good enough to be on the bench yesterday! His three players that started the game were probably threr of the worst on the pitch a bit harsh on Stewart and kebe l know but this shows how clueless and desperate our manager is!

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Yes but there is currently no progress. We are playing desperately poorly and we are near if not bottom of the form table. We have managed to string together a few results (but we didn't play particularly well when we did) which has managed to get us into a position hides the fact of how poor we are. The players don't even appear to be trying anymore! His tactics are gobsmacking, rather than playing formations which make us difficult to beat and yes we might not be scoring, but at least we are getting beat 6-0 (such as a 5, 4, 1) we are trying to play like Man City and Real Madrid with players not better than park football. Don may well have changed our colours to replicate Madrid, it doesn't mean we are them!
I'm not saying that we should get rid of him now, however I believe that he has a couple of games to show at least some improvement. He needs to be careful as there are currently two very realistic and more talented managers without jobs!

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Yeah course he wasnt right for you no doubt you will of wanted oleary back another fan living in the past time for the real leeds united fans to step up and back our manager cannot believe some of the stuff i'm reading about mcdermott.

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12 Jan 2014 13:44:28
no point getting rid of bmd or its just like starting again.
Theres something wrong at the club at the moment, this isn't just a blip. either thers been a falling out with the manager for not letting the players have xmas day off .
maybe the fact that we don't use each and every player we have got at the club . i'm sure all players at leeds could still do a job . probably not at the same standard as our best 11 but its enough to give players the recovery time needed . we shouldn't be playing players out of position (peltier, pugh?) we shouldn't be playing players that are injured or even just sore . we have a squad for a reason . if Byram needs surgery still he should of already had it and be back for next season, i'm not sure if he does need it but if not why doesn't he start 90% of games.bmd is always talking about using what we have at the club but he doesn't . 3 at the back is not working, 3 up top not working either . I would send some of our players on a small holiday to relax during the next international fixture or where we have no midweek game to reconnect with each other .maybe go abroad and watch a top flight game in germany or italy see how to actually play the game. something needs to be done but I don't think sacking the manager is the way

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Like Haigh and BMD said its a long term venture and not a quick fix I know we have been poor lately but for god sake give them a chance people on here always bleat about were going up automatic when we win 2or 3 games then when were in a rout want a new manager I have been supporting Leeds for over 40 years I have seen the good times and bad just give them time.

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And what has Poyet done jumped ship when Spurs came knocking and what has he done for Brighton with all the money he had spent there NOTHING

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Id give BMD time, he could have 3 yrs to change things around but what I can't AND WONT stand is NO pride/passion in the team. At hillsborough NO player including Rosco came off that pitch knackered.

If I put 50-60% effort in at work I wouldn't get paid.

AndyMOT

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12 Jan 2014 15:13:29
Gus not doing to bad with a motley crew at Sunderland?

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Glad couple agree with me to keep mcd but to the others that replyed that don't agree if we say we did get rid and got another manager that you all wanted and that goes just as bad you will al want him sacked. Let just get behind mcd and give him the couple of season he said because all we will do is stay in this division every season if you keep changing manager every season McD I trust will come together and make it right

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12 Jan 2014 12:17:24
Is it just me or does it seem like it's the same old same old when it comes to us in the transfer market. We've brought 2 players in on loan and haven't spent a single penny. Huddersfield reported yesterday they paid 1.3 million for Nakhi wells and Brian mc last week stated he was interested but also stated Nakhi would cost a lot of money and hinted he was out of his price range. This is a major concern for me that a club the size of Leeds utd can't compete for a player in the 1 million price range and also the fact we don't seem to be able to compete financially with a club like Huddersfield. I seriously believe leeds utds income must be double most other championship clubs and feel the board must be creaming the club for every last penny. I'm a huge Leeds fan and spend around £1000 a year with the club but no more. Enough is enough for me and I need the club to show some serious ambition in the next couple of weeks to change my mind. I'm devastated after yesterday's result and absolutely furious that things never seem to change. We're only 2 points better this year than we were at the same time last year, do how far have we actually improved? Not a lot in my opinion.

Thanks for reading my rant :-(

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12 Jan 2014 13:29:54
maybe ment he didn't wanna spend that much who isn't proven at championship

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You can give up all you like but me not a chance this club is my club and it always will be who ever is in charge ill still turn up no matter what and the real die hard leeds fans out there will continue to do the same so called fans like you need to man up we have been in far worse positions than this.

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He spent 1 million on murphy and he wasnt proven, and it shows!
otley white

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What does it say about Udders if 1.3 million is their transfer record people moaning we should have done that or done this get over it Wells apart from yesterday will do nowt to bigger jump for the great Bermudian international.

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12 Jan 2014 12:15:53
My word do not know where to start after yesterday. Bmd got it so wrong i'm beginning to wonder if he has wot it takes to manage. He seems to know wot to do about sorting out the facilities & bringing the youth & 1st team together just not sure his experience extends to management. let's face it he keeps playing 3 at the back which has shown doesn't work so why continue playing this formation? He doesn't seem to have any clue or learn from past mistakes. Dare I say that its a shame grayson didn't have the backing Bmd has had to kick on a few years ago. i'm not convinced by his signings either & i'm not talking about the wingers as too early to judge. He keeps harping on about a leader well go and get us a midfield general & a decent striker partner for Ross. Mot

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12 Jan 2014 11:27:25
Guys we need to get real, this was not a one off, we have been crap for week. I read that some people are tired!! We are only half way into the season, these pampered players train and play one or two games a week! Just to be good enought to wear the shirt most of us would play for nothing. BMD signings have been awful, we still have the trash left over from Colins awful buys. The defence is awful Lees would not get into a pub team, Mowatt is slow one footed and not good enough, Austin is crap, Pugh not good enough, If the performace of the new guys yesterday is anything to go by we will have two more regular bench warmers. BMD says no more in before the leicester game!! The take over is taking another endless time to do, Howcome Charlton and other teams do it in what seem a week? We need investment and a manager we can trust to sign quality not his old has been mates from previous clubs. Why has Wells gone to the dog botherers does he see them as a bigger club than us! Yesterday was the worst performace I have ever seen, Leicester and Ipswich next up. I have seen enough BMD go now, you have lost the players and as a fan you have lost me and I suspect many others.

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Said it before and I'll repeat it again. We have over achieved this season. 35 points at this point in the season is good news. I don't see us getting relegated and I don't see us getting to the playoffs. 10th would be a good season with the players we have. A lot of the current players will be gone at the end of the season. It's then we have to judge MCD.

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This post is exactly what's up with Football today. Sure it's been a terrible month for us but short-term thinking doesn't work unless you've got bucket loads of cash which ain't likely for us.

McDermott needs time to get this sorted and working under all this uncertainty surrounding the club don't help.

Time is what's needed. It'll take 18-24 months to undo the damage of Bates's regime. GFH and McDermott need to stick together and the good will come.

MOT!

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I assume that there will be no rumours this week about who we are about to sign. As BM has virtually ruled out any signings before the Leicester game there is little point. What would be interesting is to know why are there not likely to be any. After yesterday would have thought BM would want signings ASAP! Clearly despite all we have been told there are no funds currently available and looks like there won't be until take over goes through! Only other outside possibility is that looking to make signings from Leicester. Unlikely so it is lack of funds again!

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I cannot believe the above statement blaming Lee's ability and not getting in a park football team! England U21 manager sees something and I think you will find that this run of bad form has coincided with him not even playing some of the games! Yesterday Zaliukas was at fault on several occasions, yet some on here aren't even mentioning him? Remember Lees went off at 0-2 and it was an attacker we lost, we should have still been able to at least not concede any more with 10 men! Anyway, what I am really saying is that they are all jointly at fault, no effort, no closing down with any commitment, no tracking back (I will maybe excuse Kenny & Mcormack) but most of all poor tactics on the day! However, let's back them and BMCD and fill ER against Leicester.

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12 Jan 2014 11:16:36
Are problem is we don't hold ball well enough we can't maintain posession and we lack creativity througjout the team bar mccormack the rest of the team for me can take it or leave it. Austin league 1 at best same for smith and some of the others.

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Get a grip your saying austin is league one standard funny how 3 weeks ago he was the best cm in the league shows how fickle leeds fans really are

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I havn`t seen many fans praising Austin. I`m not fickle, He has been utter pants for 90% of the games he has played.
Headless chicken IS the perfect description for him.

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12 Jan 2014 11:10:27
Team for Leicester game needs a good spine I would put Brown in and Tonge drop Austin and give Mowatt a rest move Peltier to Centre back{got to be better than what we"ve got apart from Pearce}put Byram at right back at least with Brown you get committment.

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Be better off getting Bromby and Naylor off coaching duty and playing in that back 4 - Atleast they had passion for Leeds being Leeds fans

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Agree with Brown in the side, but not Pelts at centre half. Zaliukas and Pearce by far the best paring! Would also bring in Warnock at Lb

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Zaliukas was so bad against Wendies it was almost unbelieveable. Slow, hesitant, error prone and got bullied by Wickham.
Tom Lees was also terrible and can't help but hoof it long every time he finds himself in possession.
Jason Pearce was the only CB to look the part!
Mowatt looked one paced and out of his depth.
Austin is a shadow of the player he was two months ago.
Byram should start at RB ( a no-brainer imo).
Matt Smith - what a tw*t he was!
Both new signings looked hopeless, not a good sign for the future. We are going to need a good joiner to build an extension to our bench.

All in all, a dreadful couple of weeks and BMcD needs to really earn his corn this week working with the players we have and also vastly improve the standard of new signings (his transfer record at Leeds is terrible).

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12 Jan 2014 11:08:50
This is NOT a rumour! but what do people think about adam clayton coming back, he's creative and can score the odd goal.

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Yes totally agree mate he's much better than any midfield player we have . But the bad news is we have absaloute no chance of making this happen . Town have had are pants down thanks to Neil I built a cake wornock .

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I think the problem is a mixture of the lack of investment from GFH and mcdermott's transfers, the little money he had he basically wasted it.
Murphy is a signing who would be brought if we had stacks of money and room for a young inexperienced player who can learn off those around him. I hope he doesn't do that.
Wooton same as murphy
Zalikulas good signing but looked shocking and lethargic yesterday
Hunt bad signing
Stewart, looks lightweight but has potential
Kebe needs match fitness
Brian also needs to be more ruthless when getting rid of players. Varney, tonge, diouf, Norris and ashdown could all be sold to championship teams.
The small amount of money he has had as been spent poorly. We could have easily got adomah for 1 million pounds, or wayne bridge for free, upson for free etc etc

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Totally agree pal, uncle fester looks beaten before we kick off, something must happen soon because the season tkts are up for renewal nxt month.

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How many more times just because players like bridge and upson didn't have clubs doesn't mean they were free still need paying wages and get signing on fees wake up this isn't fifa this is the real world

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Just like hunt, zalikulas and wooton all need wages. Hunt is meant to be the top earner

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Hunt is the top earner? Jesus. I'm sure I heard Warnock was on £25k a week, lord knows what Hunt must be on then.

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12 Jan 2014 10:57:06
Malky Makay anyone? He won't be available for long. Clearly a very talented manager

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Agree, Malky Mackay top of the list if McD was to leave. GHF or who ever owners are should take note.

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Mcdermott is a talented manager also you don't one season get to a play off final then the next win the league if your a bad manager!

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12 Jan 2014 10:27:13
Tha chairman said he doesn't expect promotion this year but does expect improvement on last season's position, he said 8th place was expected, can you confidently say 8th place or even improvent on last season's finishing position which I believe was 13th is going to happen because after yesterday I can't.

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12 Jan 2014 09:40:12
Ok.only My opinion: We need a reality check. The bulk of this team is Warnocks. The players on the bench or not even in the squad are mostly Warnocks. McD has to cope with Varney, Diouf, Tonge, Norris, Brown, Green, Warnock, White, Drury all probably on good money which is stopping him bringing in better players. I think most of their contracts run out in the summer which will clear up funding. On his own signings I think Hunt has been poor to say the least; Wootton is young but has been injured; Smith is raw but improving; Murphy is the same but has talent but is playing in a poor team with no leader. We were all singing Zaliukas' praise up to yesterday. Stewart and Kebe cannot be criticised after one game. We were all crying out for wingers. We got them but it didn't work yesterday. Why? Because it was their first game and they didn't get any support whatsoever from the full (wing) backs or from the non existent midfield. Mowatt will be good but not yet; Austin? Well I am lost for words apart from headless chicken. I think McD will get it right in the end but needs to find the right formation from the players he has. I would like to see 442 with Stewart, Murphy, a quality ball playing midfielder and Kebe in the mid 4. All this talk about a ball winner is c***; if you can hold the ball you don't need to win it back. I would like to see McCormack up front with a Blackstock type and us playing the ball on the FLOOR. Defensively I think with an effective midfield we have enough quality to perform however we are bound to concede when we are being bombarded for 90 minutes. I think McD will get it right but keep together. Together we win, divided we fall. JD

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Warnock is probably the best LB we've had in years. I'd move Pugh to CM and put Warnock back to LB. Diouf should definitely be in team as he is the player that can hold the ball and pass. Diouf and Warnock weren't regular prem players for nothing, they do have talent.

I just think it's more a case of 'favourties' than actually playing the players that should be in the team.

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12 Jan 2014 09:31:07
For those people who say bmd does not deserve the sack. We'll his signings are awful. The players aren't responding to him. His style of play is awful. His tactics are awful. We have lost 4 on the bounce. Get rid of him and get some one in who knows how to play football because this guy does not have a clue. Even when the ball is on the floor we only pass backwards. He try's hard but it's clear he is not the man to take us forward

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Disagree. Brian will get the team playing better. Apart from yesterday's result the other defeats were close so we are not far off. Keep the faith and back the team. Too much negativity will affect the players

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That ship has sailed pal.

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12 Jan 2014 09:24:07
After watching the manager takeing the Leeds players to the crowd at Rochdale it reminded me of the time when phil brown kept the hull city players on the pitch at half time and embaresed them look what happened to them that year

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Yes, that is the thing when managers humiliate players, they will never forget it and will most probably respond to the manager.

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12 Jan 2014 13:10:14
When managers humiliate players! FFS take a look at the posts over the last few months it's no wonder the players are feeling jaded pand pissed off . crap . deadwood. rubbish . get rid . wow how I would love to play for a team with support like that. it's support like that that has given us a 6 nil defeat get real support your team yor fickleness is beyond belief.

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12 Jan 2014 03:52:30
Leeds fan everywhere let's back brian mcdermott and sing his name everygame and boo the players out everygame they are greedy on thousands and not performing on purpose they are fans going without to watch leeds and the players are laughing at us whilst taking our hard earned money they don't want leeds to be a succsessful brian does his desperate to do well so let's boo players and cheer mcdermott everygame he wouldn't abandon us so let's not abondon him

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How about we support the whole team? Bad results are gunna happen, get over it.

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12 Jan 2014 09:52:04
The last 4 performance have been a disgrace very hard to watch were we go from here I really don't know BUT what you have just put there as to rank as one of the stupider post I have ever read Get behind BM chant he's name and Boo the players at every game are you out of your mind what a statement to make .Think you need to go away and think about what you have put there and friend give your head a shake

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I thought the players played in the style they are coached in during training between matches.
It's how they are coached where the problem lies, as much as I like BMcD, His coaching and tactics are naive. The players are unsure of their roles, they are tiring quickly during games because we do not pass it's just hoof it up the park tactics - no bloody good.

Possession football played to feet with the purpose of playing mainly in the opposition half please Mr McD.

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12 Jan 2014 11:02:51
No one minds losing if there is an organised team who play their socks off, on the pitch, leeds are neither - something has gone wrong - their is no passion and no leadership and that's why fans ( who pay to see their team and have passion) get frustrated. You cannot just dismiss that! We have all taken the rough with the smooth but this is just about as bad as it gets! If I had the real answer maybe I would be in a different job but I don't! I will just go to work on Monday and take the flack! I hate to see managers moved on without getting a real chance but this time I honestly think that this is where the issue lies! Too soft and living on what was a fluke? Has he got the same back room staff to support him? Look at the Poyet / Wise team - we all new who was the footballing mind and who was all mouth and no results!

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12 Jan 2014 11:12:52
Like that's going to improve the performance. not! Let's give BMcd chance to sort it out, let's be honest he's been left with the same crap from Warnock and virtually nowt to spend on players, it was always going to be next year for a promotion push!

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12 Jan 2014 14:02:51
BMD lack of tactics and inability to motivate a team means he is falling short of what he should be delivering! Every time we seem to get a system in place, other teams counter it! He does not seem to have any answers - is this the team/squad or is this an inability to reply? Nor does he seem to read other teams tactics and respond effectively! If it is the squad then they need to work harder train harder, get fitter and hone their skills - the manager and coaching staff are responsible for this and it just ain't happening! Some say you can't you can't polish a turd but if we look at what we have 'professional' footballers then they should at least be able to compete! I don't think that the 2 year plan will succeed given the current level of performance! Fans will start voting with their feet if something is not sorted very quickly! Unsettled squad due to takeover is utter rubbish and not an excuse!

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12 Jan 2014 00:48:39
Looking at today's highlights looks like we need more quality in the defence and also chances aren't being created so a creative midfielder would be good. Get rid of Matt Smith he's garbage and get a player like Jamie Vardy or Lualua

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That was the call I made before the beginning of the season and drew some negative responses (ed excluded) if only we had him now as he has certainly only grown as a player this year. My trip over from Oz was really disappointing after seeing the whites struggle to a point against Barnsley and Blackpool games that we should have been capable of winning. As bad as we have been a new manager at this stage is not the answer.

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12 Jan 2014 00:46:01
Jesus Christ, I have just watched the highlights of today's game on the tv and it's actually worse than I actually thought it could be, Brian's signings are worse than Warnock's.! It's hard to believe that we could defend worse than we did under NW but today has to be the horror show of them all and as for Matt Smith! I'm in utter shock especially after last week and all the rubbish we were given about turning things round in the week!

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12 Jan 2014 09:13:51
I don't think his signings are worse . I think the squad hasn't been used properly and now most of the starting 11 are tired. Maybe they need an extra half day off training just to boost there energy levels up. Maybe give a few more players some needed rest this week against Leicester . We are going to get hammered anyway so play .
Kenny

Byram
Wonton
Pearce
Warnock

Kebe
Brown
Tonge/Murphy
Stewart

Diouf

McCormack

Some players like McCormack and Pearce look like they have plenty to give . Need to get Stewart and kebe more into game . They were played too far forward at the start so no ball was getting through .
Long ball Kenny needs to think about what he's doing. Austin never looked where he was clearing the ball to either just hitting it and hoping someone gets on it . I would give Austin 2 weeks off matches and just train . He will come back a top player again

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Michael tonge should be no where near this team! So don't even suggest him

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12 Jan 2014 11:17:56
Interesting you think that the players are tired and need more time off to recharge. anyone considered that Brian McDermott might need a few days too? He's had all the congested Christmas fixtures, all the transfer going ons, done hundreds of interviews, appeared at functions almost daily and has travelled to every match unlike some of the players. He's been trying to find a flat to live in and also has a takeover going on in the boardroom. The Ryan Hall saga, Dioufs regular requests for time off etc will all have had his input. Add in agents etc and he must be in need of a couple of days away just to have a clear mind in my opinion.

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12 Jan 2014 00:42:25
Its worrying seeing all of the comments on here, asking for McD to get sacked! I think people need to start thinking long term rather then short term, he is trying to rebuild a club which has been dismantled piece by piece in the past 8 years, it will take time! I agree that McD got tactics completely wrong today, but he couldn't predict Smith being sent off in the second half when he tried to change to a 4-4-2. I feel the players are more to blame for their pathetic performance, if anybody needs to go we need to look at the players first. MOT (I read this on the ssn and have to say this is spot on for me)

Every manager we've had the last 10 years people have looked for them to be sacked. Then we get people on here looking for the next manager to be sacked and replaced by the previous manager! It baffles me, people wanted rid of Grayson and we got rid of him, he then went to Huddersfield and did diddly squat and got sacked and people want him back!? Where is he now? Dave O'leary along with Ridsdale runs the club into the grave nearly and people come on looking for him to come back. He went to Villa and did nothing, well he did get sacked so that's something. He hasn't managed in England in 8yrs. He ends up in the football hotbed that is U.A.E and he only wins 6 games out of 15 and people want him back. Get serious people! Next people will be looking for Howard Wilkinson and George Graham back! As the above statement says most of this is the players fault. Its not BMCD's fault that Lee's, Pearce and Zaluskis are as slow as a wet week and make stupid mistakes. I'm sure he'd love millions to get a few good defenders but we don't have it and haven't had it since the early 2000's! People are giving out about Rudy but BMCD didn't sign him. Everyone slated Brown when he was in the team but now want him back? BMCD wasn't beating at his near post by Wickham either Kenny was. People need to relax and give him a bit more time, like the irish saying go's "You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear"! I don't blame him for not starting Byram, the kid is 21 and has more injuries than most players 10 years older than him. He's minding him till he's fully fit and why wouldn't he. Byram is a special, special player and showed more heart and pride in the jersey than the rest of the team did. He got the formation wrong but tried to change it at halftime and Smith the donkey got sent off. You can't prepare for that stupidity! Wait till BMCD gets in his own players in and has a full season under his belt. If things haven't changed by then well then we'll think about getting rid of him. But for now let's get behind the team. They need us more now than ever, let's start with the Leicester game. People might not believe me but now is the time to play them (I hope) Their flying and we're not (putting it lightly) so nothing is expected. There has to be a leeds backlash. MOT

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I agree with You, but BMCD got his tactics wrong yesterday. And the timing of the sending of couldn't have been worse. But we defintaly have players that ain't good enough. And startong we two players that hardplast know the other guys is a bit of gambling two. So with Leicester comming up in the next game the boys will have to be at their best to give a positive response.

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Agree buddy just wish people would not be so quick to ask for his head its now time to support us not slate us. Yes we were bad very bad but this is a rebuilding job. 2yrs back to the prem is the target people forget that

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Excellent post
lets stand by Brian at least he saw the problem and changed it NW would have left it.
lets stand together brothers we will get better we will improve and we will return to the big time with BMCD.
one bad result isent the end of the world!!
Big Grah

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Yesterday wasn't just a one off result, we've been playing crap for weeks, and punching above our weight all season.

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Agree bates and warnock together have destroyed this club, give him time. However I cannot understand how he keeps picking peltier, this does make me worry about his sanity?

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I would take Grayson back anyday. His football was entertaining and I didn't want him to be sacked. I'd also get O'Leary in as coach to kick some sense into that defence

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Here we go again get grayson back get over it he's gone same with oleary wait a minute why don't we give wilko a call see if he is free seriously some fans are clueless we need to stick with mcdermott I repeat he is the best man for the job

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12 Jan 2014 00:41:57
It will probably take 2 or 3 seasons for McDermott to get us promoted, but I think he definitely will. Look at palace, hull and Cardiff last season. That wasn't overnight success. And Leicester this season. He has had to start from scratch basically and is definitely the right man for the job.

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Stand by bmd
all those fans asking for his head 1 question

who??

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12 Jan 2014 11:22:39
Malky mac or Steve Clarke . If we'd have got Gus instead of going for the cheaper option we wouldn't be in this mess!

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Malky Mckay
DOL
Coyle

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12 Jan 2014 12:32:00
McKay
Clarke
Zola
Di Matteo
Hoddle

I could go on. does that answer your 1 question?

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Hoddle? he could bring God in to help him
Zola? he could sign 11 loan players have 1 good season then when things go bad resign.
Di matteo? The guy who sent Chelski out in a champs cup final and his team talk was when asked about tactics (YOU KNOW WHAT YO CAN DO)
McKay I like and Clarke I like but suport BMD and judge this time next year.

AndyMOT

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It would answer my question if u gave realistic options

hoddle really
mackay after prem experience wood he come to us
zola?


Surprised u didn't mention di canio

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12 Jan 2014 00:21:13
Leeds defender Jason Pearce, 26, forgot to take the price tags off his club shirt, which he wore during the 6-0 Championship defeat by Sheffield Wednesday.

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Unfortunately he doesn't seem to be the most quick witted of people. He isn't the first physically slow defender but unlike many he doesn't think quick enough to overcome the lack of pace! Chris White and Chris Fairclough were not the quickest but their positional sense and reading of the game were far better than Pearce. They didn't often put themselves in positions where their lack of pace was exposed. Tony Adams was a prime example of such a player which is why he looked a "donkey" when he got it wrong.

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