Leeds Banter Archive January 13 2014

13 Jan 2014 22:40:51
R.I.P Bobby Collins, a true Leeds legend. Honoured to be able to say I saw you play.

Everton supporter here . also had the honour of watching the pocket dynamo . great player, Thanks for the memories Bobby . RIP

I saw him play at Cardiff for both Everton and Leeds. On the downside it means I'm old but I recall being impressed. Especially for Leeds. R.I.P.

Redbird

13 Jan 2014 22:00:45
What do people think of Steve Holland, Mourinho assistant as our next manager if McDermott is sacked?

13 Jan 2014 21:44:46
Le fondre now odds on to sign for Leeds!

I just saw that 4/6 from 6/1

God knows how we are going to get him but we can live in hope!

13 Jan 2014 21:28:55
In my opinion our squad is a top 10 er. So let's not give up hope because top 6 is only a smidgen away! Most of all we really need an experienced top quality CM to keep possesion. Things can change quickly, look at Boro, and that result was a freak. We were punished in the 1st half and things got obviously worse but a Batty type player to link midfield together will make 100% difference. don't ask me who though with our budget! Just wish Brown was a few years younger because him 5 years ago would of been bang on. Hate to pick out individuals but Austin is the most erratic midfielder and captain I have ever seen play for us! He is such a bad example for the younger pros on how to keep the ball and why they are struggling at present time. Time to bring Green and Byram (if 100% fit) back in becausat least they can keep hold of ball. And those who mention Derby game should think of many good games Green as played in last 18 months. I say it again but we aren't a million miles away and one good result can change a hell of a lot. MOT.

Agree about Green. If he's fit he deserves a chance in that holding role.

Green got injured whilst on international duty but back in training yesterday. Doubt he will be ready for the weekend but he can't be worse than the erractic Austen.

13 Jan 2014 21:18:46
R.I.P bobby godbless nickybee

If only we had a midfielder of Bobby Collins quality now! R.I.P MoT.

13 Jan 2014 20:59:05
Bless you Bobby Collins

Deeply saddened at your passing xx

Not bragging but I played for a while with Bobby Coliins. I was starting my career he was finishing his. He was brilliant for me. He would tell me what to do all through a game then at the end he would say well played son. I thought I've only done what you told me Bobby. Now he's the sort of midfielder we need. JD

13 Jan 2014 20:50:57
R.I.P Bobby Collins
My thoughts are with his family and friends.
Wibsey White

13 Jan 2014 20:33:29
Just been told that Bobby Collins has left us. RIP.

Once described to me as the hardest in man in football ever, by one of the Don's legends.

But he was and is a legend himself!

13 Jan 2014 17:30:28
How far are Leeds behind other teams in the league in terms of being able to buy/attract players? Taking into account that Huddersfield have spent a reported £1m on Nakki Wells - a player Leeds were reportedly interested in - what can we expect in terms of significant investment in the team?

13 Jan 2014 17:14:52
Hi All
Look it is not difficult in fixing this mess, 3-4-3 is rubbish, all the top teams play 4-4-2, our problem is that none of our players can play 3 at the back, the midfield of 4 don't know whether to drop back or go forward, let's stop messing about here and go 4-4-2, let's start at the back and bloody defend.
OK BMD as tried the system and our players are simply not able to adapt to something out of their comfort zone, it is not easy to play differently to what you have always done in your career.
I remember when Ferdinand first joined us, his first game was 3 at the back at Leicester and we got beat 4-0, even he then and now could not adapt.
I same let's all not panic we have tried something and it didn't work, I am convinced we will turn this round if we go to 4-4-2. Kevin Leeds 51 years

13 Jan 2014 18:08:44
And yet, when he first tried this formation, he was the messiah? Turned things around, finally find how to make this bunch work together? Everybody is a football genius when they're only seeing the team for 90 mins a week. Mac will get it right!

Agree totally mate.

13 Jan 2014 19:28:13
Brian is not the messiah! he's a very naughty boy!

13 Jan 2014 20:09:54
Lol. How did I agree and disagree with the same post?

13 Jan 2014 16:15:49
Brian. Just get Michael brown in the team. And make him captain. Ok not the solution to the long term problem because of his age. But until some one else comes along . For gods sake just do it man! He will never give anything but 100%. Time we had a proper leader. Who will bollock them
when playing badly. Tell them to pull there socks up and fight or else! Also he stiffens our midfield
protects the defence. And stops opposition from settling. I know I have posted similar before ed. But for gods sake.! I cam see it. Why can't Brian or anyone else?
Bob.Wakefield

I actually agree mate. Austin has lacked the bite he showed early season, no idea why. And we all want a team who shows the passion and determination of brown, from 1 to 11!

Whilst I`m not a great Brown fan, I think your spot on Bob.
Lets get back to being hard to beat and awkward to play against.
Brown is prob our best answer at the moment.
As long as he stays on the pitch

Because you are in a minority! Brown would last less than an hour as Captain, followed by a 3 match ban! Great for bringing in and holding to a lead when we are winning, hence can't see him playing at the moment!

Are you Michael Brown's Dad by any chance?

Nah. He's a year older than me!

13 Jan 2014 14:59:20
Can I just ask why McDermott doesn't seem to rate Byram? He should be the first name on the team sheet.

13 Jan 2014 17:39:37
You can yes! Did I mention I got to a play off final and the following season I won promotion at reading?

13 Jan 2014 18:06:09
I would hope that he's just not quite as fit as wanted, or maybe still being nursed thro his injury issues!? Dunno otherwise, because it agree, if fit, he should be starting!

13 Jan 2014 13:53:50
I have read the varied comments from posters following the game on Saturday and it is important to get some perspective between what we want as fans and what is currently achievable. The results and performances of late have been poor, with the last two games being particularly embarrassing for the club. Bottom line we should not be losing to Rochdale and shipping six against an side like Sheffield Wednesday. The players played with no heart or desire (which is the norm for Yorkshire derbies) and the manager made a pig's ear of his tactical selection. Playing both his winger's whilst maintaining the 5 at the back policy smacked of being negative and a tad desperate. The new players had not had chance to train with their colleagues, the formation overloaded our wings but left us lacking in the middle of the park and even if the wingers did manage to cross the ball, who was it going to? Another bad day at the office for Brian and he needs to learn pretty quickly that the midfield needs to be more dominant and protect a suspect defence. Those asking for the manager's head need to have a reality check. This is a side that had been punching above it's weight this season against teams that have invested significantly over a number of years and will take time and financial support to start competing for promotion. Whether BMcD gets that full support is debatable and the notion that we should get rid of him to bring in Di Matteo or Malky M is absolute nonsense, do you think those guys would want to take over this team? I am not happy with the situation we find ourselves in but we need to maintain support because it is not going to significantly improve in the short term

13 Jan 2014 15:13:08
Well said Notts, too many knee workers about, need to keep the faith, back to basics BMcd! Mot 4 Eva!

I suppose you'll class a 5-0 defeat on sat as an improvement!

13 Jan 2014 18:18:21
As the eternal optimist, I reckon we'll get a result on Saturday! And shoot me down with a spud gun if we don't! I'd rather be optimistic than fickle and pessimistic, changing my mind about players and management week in, week out!

What is the optimism based on?
1 - it surely can't be worse than Saturday!?
2 - I bet there's been a few rockets up arses over the last 48hrs, and there will be changes, both in personnel and attitude.

Ok, Leicester have proved they're a good side, with heavy investment in recent years ( and no promotion, I'd add), and " a result" from our pov might be a battling draw, but I'll take that on the back of recent weeks!

On and up. And please, let's get back to MOT!

These posts annoy me go watch the last few games over again. we've been smashed about senseless.

Heres a question when last did you see us play a game of football and dominate the opposition team, create chances and not concede goal - the same way its happening to us
I can't remember the last time I seen a comfortable win and its not due to the poor players, they've shown what they can do
manager has to go this is twice now we've gone on a terrible run and this one is truly shocking

13 Jan 2014 18:47:51
And your improvement would be sack BMcd, bring in A and Other. Then in six month go through all the same sh#t again . We some continuity!

Comments from fans such as sack the manager after a poor month of results really annoy me. These fans then claim we are promotion candidates after a good set of results. I am not knocking positivity but I think some people need to take a bite of a reality sandwich. Short term we need to work with what we have got because you can't replace à team in january

Sorry. To the nameless and timeless reply below mine. What do you expect? And apart from the odd game or two, when have this teM delivered the displY you describe?

Our club has been in demise for more than 10 years now, and such a dramatic fall, near to extinction, cannot be overcome in a year or two. Portsmouth are the nearest to come near to our downfall, and let's see where that takes them.

Knee jerk reactions always solve everything don't they? We at last have an infrasture being built, a forward looking board (albeit medium term)' and a proven gaffer. Change will come, and it will be good again one day soon. Support.

13 Jan 2014 11:08:47
Get leon clarke signed up asap

jyg

Seriously, sign a journey man striker who has played for 14 different clubs and has had one good season in his career. Why not re-sign Billy Paynter?

Leon Clarke are you serious?
he is tosh
Poleon is much better but he is not as good as we hoped, give Somma a bloody chance!

13 Jan 2014 10:42:30
Come on ALF sign sign sign - we need you!

13 Jan 2014 03:53:59
If I paid to watch leeds play then I would expect to be able to enthuse or moan about performance as I see fit.
Those who say don't moan or be patient obviously like losing or have got way to used to it.
Mcd is right 6-0 is humiliating and embarrasing.
As I said recently, he inherited 3-4 good players, 3-4 acceptable ones and has now bought or loaned about 6-7!
This is now his team and his tactics.
He should now be judged on results and if he is capable of changing them!
I was all for mcd and hope he can turn things around this year or next year. But I think he is demonstrating a worryingly lack of tactical awareness and player selection. As much as I hate to say it. He needs to get better quickly!

13 Jan 2014 11:40:45
Agreed and spot on!

13 Jan 2014 13:00:44
There are some worrying signs but I don't think we can really judge him until next season. there are so many of Warnock's has beens out of contract this summer and it won't be until then that he can really reshape the squad properly.

Lets hope brian sorts some kind of spirited performance this coming sat, at least he has admitted that the system isn't working.

People should stop using the Warnock/Bates era as an excuse for a very poor performing team from the last five games, i'm sure if we was in the top 4 would people still be saying this, something will happen soon because season tkt renewal time is nearly upon us.

13 Jan 2014 18:33:33
Personally, I think the request for patience from a lot, including me, is about seeing the bigger picture, rather than just an instant impact, and immediate turnaround.

Don't get me wrong, we all want that miraculous immediate turnaround, but at last, we are once again building an infrastructure which can deliver long term stability.

Remember when bates came in? 60% of the academy set up was axed! All the hard work that sgt wilko set up, delivering our most successful era since the don, undone almost over night. Loads of our shadow and academy youngsters went to man citeh, the dog botherers and others as a result.

All I'm saying is, that as fans, when we're told that there's a medium term plan, I.e 2-3 years, we have to understand, and then maybe the time to ask serious questions is this time next season, when we've cleared the decks and the so called rebuild, new team is in place.

Just my thoughts of course!

I can't stand Colin as much as the next person, but you can't blame this on him really. McDermott had a chance in the summer to have a clear out and sign his own team, yet he opted to sign just four players (one an ex-Reading player) and continued with the Warnock dross we knew wasn't good enough, as well as making one Warnock signing his captain. It's his team.

How on earth could he sign more players, with so much cash tied up in the corrupt wages and add ons of warnocks dross. Purse strings were tightened, and he invested the only way he could!

13 Jan 2014 01:50:27
Leeds need a GK paddy makes too many mistakes probley leeds wort GK and warknock said he was best in england LOL diving across goal and palming it to opposition attackers might as well lay on his side and roll the ball to opposition attackers costs us games and points 35 is he? Need a player as good as murphy in midfield they got the wingers maybe enougher striker not vital as matt smiths goals will come also need enougher defender could be useful could do with getting a left back in and selling aiden white

I have to agree with this post paddy Kenny can pull off some great saves when he feels like it, but often just watches them pass him into the net, and doesn't even try to stop them, perhaps he is just past his best now or just not bothered any more about lufc, sounds a bit harsh I know, but used to put in a more hearty effort than he does now.

Are you for real? Kenny has kept us in this division! I'm not a fan of his and I feel we need a young keeper but he has earned us more points than McCormack has, and as for your comment on Murphy . you cannot be serious, worst player we ve had this season

Kenny the worst keeper we've had?!? I'll have what you're drinking please. 2nd best player this season.

Kenny's only weakness is corners. He doesn't have the presence. He is a good shot stopper and his distribution is good. Believe me a keeper is NOT our priority! At corners Kenny should have protection from our defence, but at present they don't have a clue. For me Kenny is probably in the top 4 players this season for Leeds.

Schmeihel was better!

Kenny is terrible. Horrible little warnock troll that makes easy saves look spectacular. Doesn't organize the defence and is quieter than a mouse. Past it and imo he couldn't care less. Gets paid at end of week 6.0 to them or 1.0 to us he still gets paid!!

Kenny is a good shot stopper (normally) but the overall command of his area and distribution often are lacking. On Saturday (perhaps he didn't believe in system either!) from start it was long high balls forward which when you have 2 wing backs, 2 wingers and no centre forward made no sense. He showed little inclination for throw outs or short passes to anybody. He is slow coming of his line to cut out dangerous balls. He does come out at players feet well though. A lot of the problem though is down to him having no competition for the No1 spot. For any Football League Club that is a disgrace but for one of our size supposedly chasing promotion it is just not acceptable. Clearly Cairns is not trusted as an unfit Kenny who couldn't even kick a ball was chosen ahead of him. This situation is just another example of the state the Club is in!

Spot on, paddy Kenny knows he is in the team whether he plays well or not, we need another recognized gk to breath down his neck, wish we still had schmeichel .

12 Jan 2014 23:53:11
Sorry but I just can't sit back and read everyone's blind ignorance and stupidity anymore without having my two penneth.
Yeh let's get rid of McDermot, he's worst thing to happen since Bates, awful manager isn't he? Dear oh dear, a few bad results and performances lately (really, REALLY bad granted) but 5 weeks ago everyone's saying he's best we've had in years? Hang on, I hear you all cry, surely getting rid of him now will solve everything and we can push on for a top two spot with a "proper" manager no worries? Erm. Dry your eyes lads, I'm as gutted as every last one of you, these last couple of weeks have been some of the most embarrassing times ever as far as I'm concerned, I bleed Leeds United just like 99% of you but unsettling everything. again. Is no way of becoming an established club again. BmD IS the right man, but he is also human and every muppet and his dog calling for his head already is only going to make him more irrational as he seeks a quick solution just to appease us "fans". Let him get on with it, finish bottom half and there is a decision to be made but until then. Ssshhhhh. the board said there's a 3 year plan but we as truly fickle Leeds fans want results NOW! Most of our squad is Babba we all know that, even Brian does I'm sure, we finished 13th last season and just because we've added 3 or 4 players and had a good run just before Xmas everyone thinks that we have a god given right to be challenging, no excuses. come on lads, really? What happened to WE'VE BEEN THROUGH IT ALL TOGETHER, AND WE'VE HAD OUR UPS AND DOWNS, WE'RE GUNNA STAY WITH YOU FOREVER, AT LEAST UNTIL THE WORLD STOPS GOING ROUND?? Put your hand bags away guys, this is the time the boys AND the gaffer need your support, winning is easy to cheer, it's these bad times that show how good a clubs support really is, I honestly thought ours was the best but I'm questioning the haters recently. MOT ish.

Best post since Saturday .
Time gentlemen to move on and SUPPORT
the Team and Brian.

13 Jan 2014 07:32:22
We ve been awful ALL season, lucky to be in such a poor division if not we'd down already. His signings have been . ahem . dreadful and his formation is worse than Warnocks.

What good has he done for us?

Spot on mate. Well said!

He's stabilized the club & attendances are up 5k on average! BM hands have been tied, due to financial restraints. He's had to play a system to suit our strength & current abilities. Unfortunately this as been Sussed out & the squad as been stretched as far as possible. We've just signed 2 new players who both need time to settle & further additions are required urgently. We are desperate for pace throughout the team & preferably a 4 4 2 system. BM needs proper financial backing (£10m now) else where going nowhere fast. We could have the best manager in the world, without the backing we wouldn't get out of the Championship. simple. Let's hope the takeover happens quick & BM receives the funds required.MOT

Cdog09
I couldn't agree more with your comments but and this is a BIG BUT.
I took a train up to Dublin to get a flight from Ireland - manchester - hired a car for the day to drive to sheffield to watch my BELOVED team Leeds play.
NO PASSION
NO COMMITMENT
NO ORGANISATION
NO SWEAT
PLAYERS @ 60%
and 1 or 2 of them smirking when we were losing?
This cost me the bones of £300 as I intended to spend a night in manchester and have a few beers.
I was so gutted and sick after the match I booked onto the next flight back to Ireland.
Ive never slagged BMD or the players off before but after that performance don't YOU THINK i'm ENTITLED TO A LITTLE MOAN?
AndyMOT

13 Jan 2014 17:11:48
110% Andy mate, fair play to you for that, if only our lads in the shirts were as committed. Everyone's in title to an opinion buddy and that's all I was giving. You know as well as I do that a big percentage of Leeds fans are fickle, we probably always will be due to our past endeavours but we are where we are for a reason. We have to ALL show the effort and commitment you did though or it's a fruitless exercise. No matter who the player is in that famous white jersey it will effect confidence having us berate them in the nasty way we do. Don't get me wrong, the fans have more of a right to an opinion as anybody, especially when we play like we have for the last 2 games, but we don't have any patience what so ever, never have had either. Notice how I've used the word "WE" a lot here? It just can not be them and us, were in this rubbish together!

13 Jan 2014 18:51:47
Absolutely right, we are in this all together!
And Andy, mate, I feel for you paying all that to go and see that dross on Saturday! So yeah, you're defo in a position to feel aggrieved and vent it! As are all of us.

The only point I keep making is that the dross from ridsdale, bates et al is never going to be eradicated overnight, and realistically we're looking to next season at best.

Keep the faith!