Leeds Banter Archive August 14 2011

14 Aug 2011 20:35:47
Why does everyone expect us to make the premiership? Even our best players wouldn't make it big in the premiership, they would end up sub bench or fringe players, becciho has a touch of a donkey, yes he has a hig work rate but he is only a championship player at best like someone like nugent, gradel comes stuck against good defenders and performs well against poor defences, snoddy has the pace of a dead dog, johnny could be ok but that's because he plays wit his heart, but that's all we have the rest our league 1 players championship players at best but Never more, so I don't expect em up, not saying I have no ambition coz yes I'd love to see Leeds in top flight but I'm happy were in championship much better than league 1, enjoy it like I do coz were going to be here for a long time

Absolute rubbish. hector has a great touch, we're lost without him

Has a great touch? Do you watch week in week out or are u a arm chair supporter and just watch on the football league show, he really does have a bad touch just makes up for it with work rate moat of the time, I love it when he done around 50 flick ons with his head which go nowhere near any of our players lol I love luciano tho

Becchio is the best player we have.

Try criticising his heading when he's in the 6 yard box. oh yeah, you can't.

14 Aug 2011 20:21:53
We need to cash in on players like gradel and snoddy, get the money now coz were not going up so we will lose max on a free and snoddy on the cheap, start again next season if bates let's Simon have the money like he said, obviously he will not add to the players we have now so will have to start all over again and buy budding unknown young like they were, need to get out this rut but the club lacks depth and class and bates won't pay the wages to get them players so will have to build a whole new squad on the cheap, hard times but gotta plan for the future, it's going to be a long time till we see the premiership

14 Aug 2011 18:59:04
10 months ago ,after getting battered at jokewell then at home to preston, ,we av not moved forward , is it KB or SG ,if bates will not give simon money to improve, then grayson must walk away,and leave with dignity otherwise ,,f*** off

14 Aug 2011 17:48:35
10 months ago ,after getting battered at jokewell then at home to preston, ,we av not moved forward , is it KB or SG ,if bates will not give simon money to improve, then grayson must walk away,

SG to do the decent thing walk away rather than costing leeds more money by getting the sack

14 Aug 2011 16:29:18
My god,I thought I was going mad when I read people on here clambering for le fondre.is this our dream target now.he's div 2 for god sake.paynter played higher than him and look at his record.I would rather take a punt on john parkiin.yes hes not pretty on the eye but he knows the net in this div and can hold the ball up.what about Danny rose on loan or even Nile ranger.just ideas but as much as lefondre is a talent it's instant change we need.I'd flog snoddy for 6 mill plus and get in 5 for decent wages.I'm sure we can pull this off with a couple of clever decisions.I know some of you will shoot me down but it's just my ideas,I'm sure you will havebetter ones.mot

Anything's better than what we're up to now although I'd like Larry to prove me wrong.

Nowt wrong with good ideas lad and they are not bad

Le Fondre is more a Billy Sharp than Billy Paynter though.

I don't care if Le Fondre plays for the Rose & Crown. If he's good enough then he's good enough. End of & he might not be a dream target but good luck getting Uncle Ken to get you your dream target.

Le fondre benefits from consistency. Paynter had one good season from what I can remember.

Original poster here.
I wasn't criticizing le fondre.if he does come then I'll back him to the hilt but we just won't know.just think the been there done it player maybe the diff.after all it was Grayson that said we lacked experience at end of last season.there will be some great players for us available once prem squads sorted.it's not too late for us to still be a force but proof in kens pudding

If we sold Snodgrass for £6m I think it is now too late to spend it. OK we might try to get 4 or 5 £1m players in but where are they now.

Fair point original poster.
We will see who they bring in and if it's quality, then accept my apologies but if it's somebody like Priskin or a clapped out, once decent, now injury prone player, then I can't really see the point or the ambition.
Le Fondre would at least worry defences and excite the fans. I was sceptical about him at first but I've seen him a few times now & if we don't snap him up somebody definitely will do.
You need to watch this guy at least once & see his potential, then imagine him up front with Becchio. He has the potential to be better than Beckford.
Don't believe me, go on Rotherham's banter site (if they have one) and ask.

Before season started at the mention of le fondre people on here were telling poster to p*** off now look whats happened SG cant manage players who prem clubs have looked at whats he gona do with lg2 a player we have all seen how the lg1 players have worked out

14 Aug 2011 14:48:34
Ok, so i think to sack SG would be madness. For the following reasons;

1. We have only played games.
2. We do have injuries especially up front.
3. The squad is too thin... this is not the fault of SG who has been operating with no realistic budget for wages and transfers.
4. SG is a talented, committed, resourceful coach with a good track record in management thus far, inc with Leeds.
5. To sack SG would result 100% in a season of transition. A new manager needing time, possibly changing tactics and wanting new players etc.
6. To sack SG would merely divert from the real issue- Leeds' failure to compete by offering investment ( not reckless spending, but measured, ambitious investment). This would let KB off the hook and ignore the underlying issues.
7. SG is a Leeds fan and wants success desperately. Whilst this by itself is not enough of a reason to keep him, it is a good ingredient for a Manager to have.

What we need is to invest in the squad. Especially defence. However, having said that how long do people think SG will get to turn this around? I am worried and don't want him to go.

Firstly, we have played two games that we should have won convincingly with a league cup game against a 3rd tier team that took us to the sword.

How is the squad being thin not SG's fault? He has had a full Pre-season to highlight the areas that need strengthening and do something about it, building on last season. Other teams have strengthened with no less than nine players in some cases with little more than a million spent. If we have a high wage bill then that's taken up by poor signings such as Bruce, bromby, O'brien, grella, paynter, Bessone, Connelly, need I say more?

When you speak of good track record? What is this? Mid table finish with Blackpool, a failed play off final with Leeds and two really poor second half seasons with a promotion by the skin of his teeth? Last season was exactly the same.....de ja vu with the after Xmas sprint. Failure to motivate or be tactically convincing showing a naivety and lack of ability in squad choice and tactics.

A season of transition? Well we sit bottom of the league with no points and 4 goals against us and a home game against hull that is looking suspect with injuries and suspensions. What would be so bad about a new manager with new tactical ideas, fresh approach and new players?? I believe Simon has taken us as far as he can, he has run out of ideas and tactically keeps making the same mistakes, hence 6 goals cinvaded in 3 games

I am no where near a ken bates fan, but he is going no where. We can protest, blame, and shout during Leeds games, but as we all know he is as stubborn as a mule and it will be like water off a ducks back. Secondly, none of us have any idea about how much money is there to spend and what the constraints are so commenting is merely speculation. Think we should leave opinions to what we can physically see....

Being a fan is not a good ingredient to have. It clouds your judgment and decision making as we saw with Ridsdale. This is a business not a computer game. Graysons love of Leeds I think seems to make an easy target for bates to control, the team is his, but I can't help thinking that he rolls over at board level and is happy to accept what he is told. I don't wantva manger that is happy to sit in championship. Grayson for me has not once shown any ambition in any Pre or post match interviews. It's like he knows there are issues, but his love and dream job status clouds his out look.

Grayson has made a lot of signings and other than gradel, Nunez and somma the rest have been poor and under par for the vision we as fans have for Leeds. I don't think Grayson is an attractive package for big players and our standing as a club alone is not enough.......

Fantastic comment and agree with all of the above

Both comments make lots of sense and are very valid. I agree that with Grayson in charge we will struggle this season but if he goes, then what?
What makes you think we'll get anybody better. Just because there are some good managers about it doesn't mean that they'd want to come here. After all would you be in a rush to work for Ken Bates and even if they want to come who's to say that Bates will hire them. He might go for somebody worse than Grayson but cheap. Who knows
The bottom line is this:
Grayson goes and you GAMBLE that you'll get someone better
or
he stays and you stick with the devil you know.

Grayson and his back room staff are in charge of the team. Any success or failure we have on the pitch and in the transfer Market is down to them. So far our transfers have been poor, player motivation is low and I think Grayson is to blame. Great bloke, nice temperament, but I can't see him doing the job for us. A poor Pre-season in the transfer market and a failure to right the wrongs that were so blatantly
obvious has left a bad taste in my mouth. It's almost like a follow on from last season. Leaking goals, poor defence and individuals instead of a team

I'm glad Grayson's the manager and not you lot.

This post and mny replys are so valid and true I dont need to go into any further detail well said

14 Aug 2011 14:27:17
Why is everyone saying sack grayson? If he gets sacked I'll go protest until bates is out WE ALL LOVE LEEDS, HATE KEN BATES

When are you muppets going to get it into your head that Bates is going nowhere, you can go protest and chant abuse all you like but all your doing is heaping extra pressure on the manager and players, is that what you want?

Protest has no effect on Bates position as he owns the club, he's not likely to sack himself is he?

Hopefully in a old folks home soon

Look even when he dies he will still have ownership of the club we better hope he doesn't leave it to a donkey with all this chanting and protesting if you want something to change soon get SG to leave then you would see something happen on the pitch

14 Aug 2011 12:29:50
My question is... Why isn't Bates supporting SG in the transfer of new players or his he.? Bates has publicly stated for months there is finances available for the right players - so why didn't we sign any decent full backs when SG identified it as weakness that cost us last season.. surely these players should have been scouted and bought in before pre-season..

Please tell us Bates - the truth shall set you free

Because like many fans he knows that SG isn't up to the job

14 Aug 2011 11:48:54
Back Grayson or Sack him and his cheating, lying chairman
Fans seem split over this but something has 2 happen and quick loose a few more games and confidence will b zero and nobody will want 2 come 2 us
Keith LUFC

FFS Bates can't be sacked HE OWNS THE CLUB

14 Aug 2011 10:18:40
Signing Premierships players on loan ain't the answer, if Somma and Bec weren't Injured would u still want Grayson out? Promotion and 7th place in 2 seasons, and on a tight budget, or don't you remember that far back? Back ur team
Where was Grella at the weekend tho? No worse than Paynter but still can't make the bench?

SG obvoiusly thinks signing prem players on loan is the answer as both he and Bates have stated thats what they plan to do. We need short term cover for Becchio and Somma a CM as cover for Brown/Clayton and a LB and RB.

So people saying leeds don't have money or don't pay wages simple answer is premiership loans?

14 Aug 2011 10:41:55
Big thing I object to at the moment is not using Grella and White. Losing at home to Boro was just bad luck. Thanks ref. We don't need the sack SG brigade coming out. Not the answer. Bates too tight fisted to sack him anyway because he'll need to pay him off and then pay more to get someone else in. Where Grella is concerned, big deal he wanted to come back early from Swindon to get into his own team Get over it Grayson and use him. What you got to lose? As for White, Grayson has this one badly wrong. We know about Parker and his injuries but O'Dea is no full-back. In truth, neither is White. More of a wing back at best but probably an out and out winger. But I'd rather concede same amount of goals which O'Dea is undoubtedly going to be responsible for by playing White than some carp loanee who we will never see again. And we could use money we are saving there by bringing in someone in midfield. What's the point of not playing White? Where's the pay off? At least give White the experience so that maybe with 10 games to go this season he learns and improves as a defender. At this rate, he's going to leave and in a couple of years be a better article for another club. Sad state of affairs when Brendan Ormsby writes in YEP he should move on permanently and forget Leeds. Trouble at ER. Bates and Grayson making too many mistakes.

Says it all the ref was a manc the scum bag

Big shout about Grella needs to be used why leave him out SG is clueless

14 Aug 2011 09:32:46
I seem to recall that when Mr Bates took the company out of receivership a clause that said that IF we went back to the Premiership within 5 years we would have to pay the creditors an extra amount. I'm not usually a conspiracy theory person, but aren't those 5 years about to come due? I'm all for keeping the club on a sound financial footing (how much did we pay for tropical fish?) but Mr Bates is a money man, surely he understands that at some point you HAVE to invest, to make a profit, rather than always taking from the fans.

It's a ten year clause not 5 normally is 5 but KB had 10 put in to secure purchase

What you don't seem to realise mate, if we went to the prem, yes we'd have to pay back some money to creditors, but that would be massivly outwayed by the £80 - £90 million we'd get by going up. {Ed001's Note - you are missing the point, you do not get 80-90m for going up. You get that over the entirety of the parachute payments + 1 year in the Prem's TV money. That is 5 year's money in total. Plus you have to talk in the pay rise players get for promotion. So it is nothing like 80-90m, but it is a significant amount.}

Well lets enjoy the next 5 more seasons of tacky football then

14 Aug 2011 08:51:50
Why on earth should we sack Grayson? I don't understand why any Leeds fans would want him out? It's Bates who decides how much money we spend, and Grayson who has the arduous task of trying to find players good enough for the championship within that wage structure, which must be a tough job Bates needs to do something to allow Grayson to bring in a couple of players who are quality, otherwise he won't be getting sacked, HE'LL BE WALKING

At least if we get loans in and the players turn out to be rubbish, we haven't got someone stuck at the club on a 3-4 year contract

What I would say is, although our play seems to be decent, McCormack CANNOT play on his own up front. He's not strong / big enough. The attack needs addressing NOW, because if the run goes on, the confidence will disappear, and we can't afford for that to happen.....

WMS

Firstly I hope he does walk as it would save leeds time and money, we are poor and that reason is SG who picks ross to play up top buy himself oh that would be SG.

His tactics show that he hasn't and idea, when we had beckford SG game plan lump it up top long ball for him its poor really poor and that's SG fault

14 Aug 2011 03:12:30
Just Coz max got sent off you all think he should go get a grip he prob one of our best players and best goal scorer we have got who is fit and with out his goals last season we would be way down the league table. Players are aloud to have off games and get booked u no u don't see all top clubs saying oh let's sell him he got sent off. Plus Leeds need a hot head might kick start some of are pu**y boys up ass

Barton

14 Aug 2011 01:49:28
I'm sure Bradley Johnson had fun sitting on the bench for Norwich in the DW Stadium... MOT

Who cares? his choice move on ...

For 20k a week i would also

I'd rather sit on the bench than play under 4/, I bet the lads think the same seams as they don't play for him

He was overated anyway never did anything to contribute to the team except his goal against arsenal and he never did that in league where it was needed most MOT

What is 4/?

14 Aug 2011 01:25:17
Im struggling to find a replacement next game without howson and gradel, that means nunez comes in.. WHO ELSE thoughts please?

Don't even think god knows

Mcormcak
Nunez
sam brown clayton snodgrass
O'dea Kisnobo(C) bromby lees
Lonergran

It will have to be a signing.

Lloyd Sam and Nunez, though we will struggle to find a subs bench

13 Aug 2011 23:58:15
2 examples of SG playing players in the past 2 league games who haven't trained and only met up with the team 24 hour before the game,
o'dea - southampton
Gradel - middlesbrough

how is SG preparing the team for matchday, he can't be it's not possible to sort out who's doing what and how he wants players to fit in.

Another interesting point SG slams andy ' obrien boo boys in the YEP

o'brien is unfit so I feel for him the point being why did SG pick him for either game we all new that he was unfit

To be fair to him , the squad is so thin he hardly has a choice.

We have 10 df players you can't call that thin

13 Aug 2011 23:42:36
i love it how before the season started I was saying how bad SG is I got so much stick i have continued to state the facts and true to form people are now seeing what is see, KB should have let SG go at the end of last season the reason he didn't he would have been murdered by all the haters

We've only played 2 league games, don't be patting yourself on the back just yet.