Leeds Banter Archive April 15 2016

 

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15 Apr 2016 22:40:47
I want to post a comment about something but I need someone to tell me how much Cellino is worth before I do.
Does anyone know?

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15 Apr 2016 23:22:35
75 million.

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15 Apr 2016 23:27:17
My mistake - according to Forbes 1.1 billion.

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16 Apr 2016 08:39:48
D'int think he is worth a fraction of what we were lead to believed. If he is he is not prepared to invest properly in our club, if he were a billionaire 10 to 20 million would have sorted out the club and he would not be bargain basement shopping all the time.

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16 Apr 2016 08:49:01
If this is his personal wealth then why doesn't he buy out GFH? It would be a drop in the ocean.
As I said before why is he here? Why did he buy us? What is he wanting to get from his time in charge? Surely not championship mid table mediocrity.
I know some on here are saying we are not a big club any more and have no divine right to ever be one again however I am sick of watching my team playing dull uninspiring football.

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16 Apr 2016 09:19:29
i think he brought leeds on a wim didn't do due dilligence and GFH hid true extent of mess which is dodgy so sounds right. he then realised he bite of more than he can chew and had been trying to deal with it the best he can ever since. I do think he should of done due dilliagence but thank god he didn't otherwise he would not of brought the club and we would still be with GFH if we were even still a club.

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16 Apr 2016 11:05:56
He invested 20 million about 2 months ago just to balance the books.

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16 Apr 2016 12:36:07
only 20 mill he should get out let's attack his family.

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15 Apr 2016 22:03:16
I've got a great idea! Dnt worry bout staff leaving Cellino can run the lot himself? Does anyone remember the late great Tommy cooper? Well he had a sketch where he dressed in two halfs of diffrent characters and turned round everytime one needed to speak so?! Cellino could do that then he could be himself and head coach then when it goes wrong sack himself! Lol.

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{Ed003's Note - Or the guy at the hotel in 'carry on abroad' pw lol.}

16 Apr 2016 01:11:24
Cellino is already doing that.
This is why he split up a winning team in Thommo and Redders. It's exactly why Redders predicted the better they do the worse it gets.
Cellino is driven by his maniacal Italian ego and the mess left by GFH and Bates. If Cellino only had left alone Redders and Thommo would have probably done no worse than Evans is doing now and Lucy Ward would have our younger players on the same plane as they are now if not better. Also we wouldn't be staring down multiple court judgments and contract payoffs.
What have we gained from Cellino's conduct? Time to go Massimo.

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16 Apr 2016 03:58:17
Survival George. We were gone under gfh. Simple as that
And no redders wouldn't have done as well as fat controller. We were league 1 bound. Cellino needs to learn lessons true but he saved us!

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16 Apr 2016 06:03:20
That League One bound Aus was that before during or after the 5 match consecutive winning run if memory serves?

What was the legitimate reason for Thommo suspension again?

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16 Apr 2016 08:44:43
George while some of your points an are vaild and make good sense, some do seem a little in the blind hatered catagory and it almost seems like you are trying to find every reason to fling S""t at leeds, some warrented some not. Some statements also seem very unfounded and off the wall (not get youth players again, making the comments of players we lost well before MC come along to back this up, women boycotting leeds games, players mums getting upset, mc out because GFH are worse but he is working with them and even the moan up our liabity insureance getting hiked up, which having to deal with liability insurance myself really made me laugh as it is very wide of the mark from my experience)

as MC upset you in some way maybe made a sexist remark against your mrs or do you really support bradford and this is just a way of trying to upset leeds fans and make them depressed?

I have to ask as of course people are intitled to their opinion but this almost victor meldrew approach to the club I love is starting to wear me down a little? anyone else in this boat?

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{Ed001's Note - so, because he has a different viewpoint from you, that means he must support someone else?}

16 Apr 2016 08:50:02
Who cares mate why thommo was suspended
5 on the trot? Whoppedoo! How many games did he manage? 26? Ish. How many wins 5? Ish. How many subs used? 1 ish!
God. The bloke was usess.
Why does everybody live in the past. The glory years count. The rest is irrelevant. What matters is how the team do. How much they win. Because if they win enough then everything takes care of itself. If they don't win enough. Things need changing and seeing McC owns the place. It's up to him what he wants to change. Nobody else just his decision.

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16 Apr 2016 09:25:24
no ed, we share a lot of the same view points, it is the niggle to extremes and jumping to rather off the wall points (as made in my last post) some are rather jumping to very negitive conclusions. my fav being leeds will never produce a decent youth player again women will boycot leeds.

it also seems like george is reverling in finding negitive things to post about and making the most of every negitive thing and creating a few in the mix as well makes me wonder.

i have seen you defend your club and while you can see good and bad as can I it must get a to point where it starts to wear you down, opinions fine, different views fine, citisim fine but their has to be a limit and some of these are past that point IMO do you not agree ed?

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{Ed001's Note - yet you decide his different conclusions are based on supporting a different team, rather than having a different viewpoint. So no, I do not agree with you.}

16 Apr 2016 12:43:37
no ed again miss the point, the different team comment was being sarky to quote george himself. my point is why bring up every negivite, ignore all good points and jump to rediculas conclusions. you must admit if you are able some of the points made are not just different to mine but so blindined by bais hate they are laughable (again the leeds youth, woman not going leeds and liabity isureance being just three) it is so negitive and off the wall it is hard to see where it is coming from. that is my point, not about dissagreing, not about me really saying you support another team, just asking where is he coming from, does he really believe all the neitive extemres and what would his serious solution be. To be it seems to be blind hatered bordering insantiy, and I back that up with logic and sesinsble counter arguements. and the occasion being sarky back.

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{Ed001's Note - it is just a different view, why is that such a problem? Some of your support of Cellino is far more laughable and shows a complete lack of understanding of the realities of the financial situation. Cellino is not putting at risk any of his personal fortune.}

16 Apr 2016 12:46:30
Bermo
Ed1 is correct. I do not support Bradford. Never will. Leeds are my team. I write what I do in the hope that Cellino will see error of his ways and change. I believe he reads our posts. I also write way I do because it's my viewpoint and I'm entitled to it. I would love to see us successful again but I know it won't happen with Cellino. As for being negative, what is there to be positive about? I see the Ward case as very damaging alienating the club still further. My biggest objection is Cellino failure to buy out GFH. Currently I view Cellino as a better man's Bates. He is a "milker" of our club. So long as he gets his wage and cut he's happy. As for wearing you down, maybe it's best I no longer post for a while. Wouldn't want your depression on my conscience.

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16 Apr 2016 13:28:07
ok fair enough I must be wrong.

so george you genuinely believe

no more good youth will come through leeds?

youth players may leave leeds because their mums will be upset

woman will boycot leeds due to comments made

losing lennon, twio, woods and rose was some how connected to this (as that was the point you was making)

the liabity insurance will make a dramatic difference? (i know this not to be the case from my experience in this area)

20 mill is a resonable amount to spend for a guy some want out

20 mill won't risk FFP when already in debt and already giving 20 mill just to stay stable?

we really should be pushing for prem?

things are worse than under bates and when in league 1?

MC is at fault for GFH not selling or willing to sell at resonable price?

as for my support of MC being laughable ed fair enough if that is what you think but my view is while we could have better things could be worse. he is not great but better than bates and GFH who may well take over should MC as there do not seem to be buyers.

Ed you have not had a club go under your team is lucky to spend loads under achieve and not go bust, sadly leeds did go bust and it is worrying and sad to think that might happen again the thing you love gone. My understanding is we are not secure and not really right to be pushing for big sums and going for broke which I think could be the case. his personal fortune and FFP seem to be different as I understand it and I prefer to play safe having 'flown to close to the sun before' once bitten twice shy and all that. it seems you agree with georges comments about youth etc. but then I would expect you to after all you are not a leeds fan

Geogre you are free to post what you want but maybe being so super negitive on a fans site is not a great idea all the time. if you did this on a justin bebier site you would have some very angry teenage fans on your back.

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{Ed001's Note - I will guarantee you that Cellino has not inputted 20m, he will have loaned it to the club, with the expectation of taking more back in return later. The reason he doesn't buy out GFH is because that would cost him real money, rather than a loan he can get back later. He is like most of the super wealthy, he does things in ways that do not actually cost him any of his own money. Leeds needs a fan buyout, imo, to stabilise it and get things back on an even keel. Sort out the mess and get it back on its feet and running within its means. Cellino will continue to throw away huge sums on replacing managers, which could otherwise be used to settle things.}

16 Apr 2016 13:47:04
Wakey wakey ed. football is a business. Run by the wealthy supported by the fans. Cellino is as good as we got. Better than bates. Gfh etc. so why u and George wingeing.
Besides. If Norwich or Sunderland get relegated. That's 6 points in the bag. They are carp.

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{Ed001's Note - why do I need to wake up? It is not me that needs to wake up, I know what he is up to. You are the ones blindly supporting a man who is holding the club back.}

16 Apr 2016 14:01:28
How is he holding the club back?
Who wants to buy it?

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{Ed001's Note - ah the usual resort of those with no idea. You really think that is the point here? It is not about who else is available etc, pointless conversation as we can't possibly know without knowing every single person in the world with the potential to put together a consortium that could afford to buy a Championship football club. Though I do happen to personally know of 3 different Chinese groups that would be interested, and that is just in my limited sphere of knowledge of the business side of things.

As for why he is holding the club back, I can't believe you even have to ask. Each time he sacks someone they have to be paid off. He has gone through so many staff it is draining the club dry. He has not made good on his promises, which would also have reduced the club's outgoings massively, to buy the training ground and stadium. He has constantly meddled in team affairs, including recruitment, which has cost the club money and, potentially, stopped the club performing to a higher level in the league. That is not to add to his disgusting attitude which has caused the club numerous problems and made it more difficult to attracts sponsors. Your club is seen as a toxic brand under Cellino. There is no reason for that to be the case. Quite the opposite in fact when you consider the gates it is capable of getting.}

16 Apr 2016 14:13:08
Didn't he sack 25 in Italy and still afford to buy Leeds. Or most of it. I think he can manage his finances fine. I think he needs to shut his mouth and learn by his mistakes and invest in a better manager and players but
He is better than last two so until somebody waves the wad. We have to support him and hope he gets it right. Jeez Norwich are crap.

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{Ed001's Note - I am going to try one more time, as so far it seems to have gone over your head. He is not, and did not in Italy either, use his own money to finance the club. It is the club's money that is being wasted on managerial change, not his. So how would his personal finances have any bearing on this?}

16 Apr 2016 14:17:49
Oh. And. Those with no idea comment. A bit uncalled for.

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{Ed001's Note - not really. You asked a question that was utterly ridiculous. The kind of question of those who expect other people to have all the answers just because they have none. It is possible for people to know something is wrong without knowing how to fix something. Just ask Gary Neville about his time managing Valencia. It is much easier to see faults, but knowing how to fix them is not as easy. It usually calls for specialist knowledge. Especially in the situation of club ownership. I only know about the potential owners by pure chance, normally I would not have any way of knowing, but you were trying to suggest that me not having a ready made buyer would mean that Cellino is the only option. It means no such thing.}

16 Apr 2016 14:29:11
So who invests their own money in a club without having insurance or loans? Alice in wonderland.
And don't bother trying again. I'm just thick.

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{Ed001's Note - many do so initially then convert their loans to equity to free their clubs from FFP issues, such as Roman Abramovich and Vincent Tan.}

16 Apr 2016 14:35:02
Top top posts and retorts from Ed1.

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16 Apr 2016 15:25:21
no ed's comments make a lot of sense and this I can see and debate with (although I agree with all of the points to a greater or lesser extent) the loan thing makes sense, I would question if he did buy us out would that go against our FFP (same with the ground) ? I honestly do not know that answer. I would also question why he would want to given the abuse he and his famliy have taken. as for buyer again I do not see none in press, which I think would happen if they wanted to be seen to force to make MC sell.

these are all resonable debates and i'd love to sit and talk sense over a beer with these.

getting back to my original point was the unfair and rather harsh/ over the top/ nasty comments/ views (however you want to see them) about no youth player ever coming through leeds? players making football descions over upset mothers (take chealsea into account here also) ? women boycotting the ground? change to libabilty insurance (to an amount worth talking over) and mc not buying out the real scum GFH making him worse (again this is up for debate but if they don't want to sell or if over priced would you in MC's shoes make that payment with no promise of getting it back? ) . I asked ed if he thought these were senisble comments to which eds reply was as I under stand it? they are more sensible than my laughable understanding of finaces and support of MC when my stance is he could be better but he could be worse, we have had better and on his investments (not all of his choices) I am satified with if not over the moon? is this correct ed? i'm stumped that leeds doing okay could be better but have done worse is more laughable than the before mentioned comments?

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{Ed001's Note - I would need to go back and read it again, as I think I have missed what you meant and were trying to say. Apologies. That was not what I was trying to say either, I was trying to say they were no less sensible than a blind support of Cellino and a refusal to question his running of the club.

Though I do think George has points, even if he does take them to their extremes. Many parents will look elsewhere and go to another club due to unstable clubs etc.}

16 Apr 2016 16:19:53
i agree unstable yes, sexist comments no. the chairman of Barac/ real/ byern/ man city could come out and say whatever he wanted about woman and it would not stop players wanting to join. it is the perspective and extreme that upset me as a supporter.

i also agree with blind support of mc, his comments in media are bad and he should stay away from anyone with pen or microphone/ dicaphone.

pie tax etc very bad

i do think we were going down before he took over. I do think he is Jesus compared to bates

i do think not buying out GFh is understandable from business point of view although as fan I would want him to do this, apply the same to purchase of ER

i do think investment in sqaud and holding onto players has been decent/ lot better

i do think he has put his hand in his pocket an accpetable amount (again in compairison)

my view on mc is not perfect and could be better but be careful what/ who you wish for and it was a lot worse and we are lucky to have MC (to an extent)

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15 Apr 2016 20:39:48
As I stayed yesterday there maybe someone wanting to buy us and there is. A Russian party and a Saudi party are interested. So let's hope they are serious.

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15 Apr 2016 20:28:47
Bermuda
With all these marches, try orchestrate your own. Entitle it the Who Cares What Occurs Off the Field Especially If It Has Owt To Do With Females March.
I'm sure you will garner much attention.

Btw another key staff member gone but I think you are right these people aren't the players so everything couldn't be hunkier dorier.

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15 Apr 2016 18:43:45
Anyone who's going to the 'MC out march' tomorrow, you should turn it into a 'GFH out march. '
I believe that MC should have a go at running the club all by himself to see what he can do.

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15 Apr 2016 19:04:16
He might have to our goalkeeping coach is leaving now on top of no head of recruitment, no academy director and probably no first team coaches soon.

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15 Apr 2016 19:09:49
Isn't that the problem. Cellino runs the show ON HIS OWN. Nobody stays at the club because no-one can work with him. GFH do nothing,contribute nothing and do not make a decision. The current situation is all the great leaders doing.

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15 Apr 2016 19:56:27
Can remember the times when the only other coach you had was to take you to the away games! Far to many people employed with fancy titles, on the backroom staff now adays!

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15 Apr 2016 20:20:06
Lucas
No. MC out correct march. GFH are slime but MC is one who works with and tolerates them when he could easily buy them out. Yes that means little on player investment and little headway on ground reacquisition but fans would love such tiny progress.

MC OUT BECAUSE HE WON'T BUY GFH OUT.

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15 Apr 2016 21:23:20
How about all of us out for next season, when the tumbleweed starts rolling through ER, this and only this will focus the minds of those who are motivated by greed. I believe It did for Bates when we the people stayed at home.

If >25k turn up start of season we will end the season with new owners.

If I'm wrong i'll turn up for work in my pants, (under my trousers of course)

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16 Apr 2016 02:05:11
Good post Proc.
Vote with feet.
Cellino may own our club but we have fan power.

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15 Apr 2016 18:26:52
Scoops your right! He just sacked me for being a spy on this site lol it's the summer clear out!

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15 Apr 2016 19:03:19
lol the decks are certainly going to be clear again, no continuity but easier for the new head coach to bring in own staff, if allowed to! another summer of uncertainty beckons unfortunately.

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15 Apr 2016 18:22:30
Oh bugger I was just blowing my rubber ring up to go on early holiday and we have to beat Birmingham! Bloody team and Evans selfish that's all they are! Just when I thought it was safe to go they decide to win! Lol oh well stay for another week just in case!

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15 Apr 2016 20:24:08
Will MI5 allow you to do that Pete?

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15 Apr 2016 17:30:20
So Richard Hartis is the next to leave! can we keep any employee more than a few months? we still haven't got the first team coach that was promised in October.

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15 Apr 2016 20:21:28
But key employees backroom staff leaving doesn't matter. It's about what happens on pitch. Who cares if youth and development coaches leave?

Lmao.

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15 Apr 2016 21:49:16
whether we like it or not George, success on the pitch depends on what happens off it. There is no continuity or consistency in any part of the club and unfortunately there never will be as long as we are run by an erratic egotistical italian who is unaided by the only people in Dubai with no money.

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15 Apr 2016 22:46:39
Not much of a goalkeeping coach, had sylvestri nearly two years and he is still no better at crosses or corners.

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16 Apr 2016 00:34:40
Scoops
I was being sarky.

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15 Apr 2016 17:20:17
Looks like MC is clearing the staff and shutting down for the Summer already.

Stevo will be off next, the training ground shut down and all surplus staff will be let go of.

New management and coaching team for the next season me thinks.

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15 Apr 2016 20:23:27
Electric bill next to be ignored?

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15 Apr 2016 21:13:41
Maybe, its not like we need lights to play football. can go cash only and raffle tickets for the remainder of the season too.

Bring your own sandwiches mind you and plastic bottles only. No fruit though, especially tomatoes.

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15 Apr 2016 16:30:18
Anybody else now regretting sending Buckley back to Sunderland when we are now in need of a winger.

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15 Apr 2016 17:18:00
Only if the manager is going to play him. We have Carayol, Dallas, Botaka (I believe he should have been used more, even if Stevo didn't think so) and Sloth (Who is more than capable on that position) .

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15 Apr 2016 09:47:09
All this hoo ha re redders. Thommo and some woman hadn't reached Aus. Can't be that important.
Back to football. Players. And manager.

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15 Apr 2016 10:40:34
Quite right Aus, all businesses have times when employees claim unfair dismissal - this is not news.

Three more points Saturday off McDermotts boys will do me.

MOT.

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15 Apr 2016 13:37:14
That's right Ox. This story does wonders for our reputation.

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15 Apr 2016 14:22:39
Wat bottom end of champ reputation George? Big news!
We not prem anymore
Stuff the ex staff. Stuff the ex owners. Stuff the ex women. Stuff the ex players
Game on tomorrow.

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15 Apr 2016 14:48:23
Ausman
Shall we go back to rioting too? Stuff humans! Stuff the police! Stuff the law! Stuff incarceration!

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15 Apr 2016 14:52:24
agree aus,

this is just tomorrow fish and chip paper. same thing happened at chealsea. it will not affect players/ managers going there as it will not affect players/ managers going to leeds. this doesn't affect what matters.

yet again women trying to ruin football (how many of these will I get away with before I get sued)

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15 Apr 2016 15:43:12
George I feel sorry for the reporters that think anybody other than fans give a toss. Have they nothing better to do!?
Perspective George. Football isn't life. It's a sport. One where we want Leeds to win all the time! That dosent happen but I see no rioting etc anymore. Move on mate!
Soccer is a game we are bad at
BW. Not sure if that was tongue in cheek mate but there are a few good (wo) men out there. Give the few a chance!

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15 Apr 2016 15:58:36
I must admit I may have posted my 'Cellino out' post a tad prematurely, and done exactly what I tell other people not to do - believe all they read in the press. I didn't realise the 'alleged' sexist comment was reported by the L. U. S. T. chairman 2 years ago. Doesn't excuse it if it did happen of course, but maybe I won't rush to judgement quite so quickly next time.
Anyway, unusually, I have a good feeling about tomorrow, and am hopeful of a comfortable win.

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15 Apr 2016 16:20:07
Yes Bermuda Triangle you are correct. Off field matters which end up in court rarely matter. A lot like that 105m pound administration. It didn't affect anything. Also it's not like women even attend football matches. Also it's not like adverse court judgments affect the following year's liability insurances.

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