Leeds Banter Archive April 15 2018

 

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15 Apr 2018 20:08:53
I've just read an article regarding Hecks comment on "having his hands tied behind his back". Apparently his instructions are to give every senior player enough opportunity to prove they deserve to stay before the end of the season, so that decisions can be made on their futures. This would be why Anita, Grot, O'Kane, Ekuban etc have been given starts ahead of better players. This in mind, I doubt we will win again this season, but sounds like there is a plan to dump the weak links.

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15 Apr 2018 20:47:34
Bright if the powers to be at Leeds don't know who is sh**e by now then God help us

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15 Apr 2018 22:09:17
Exactly Mezzanine! Now is when you try Nicell, Rey and others. The senior players shouldn't require an ultimatum to play good. Cooper, Okane, Grot and Anita need to leave our club immediately on the grounds of being particularly horrible "players".

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15 Apr 2018 23:22:01
I agree lads that the rubbish ones should be known by now and they probably were. The only problem is that earlier we were still fighting? or the chance was still there, so it was just too much of a gamble to play too many new faces. Now there is nothing to play for so it is much easier to play newbies and drop more regular "stars". If he still wants to give them one last chance then so be it. Personally they have shown over more than these last games that the ability and commitment are just not there or if it is they are just too stupid to realise it and up there game.

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16 Apr 2018 06:51:01
Another example of becks weakness if he's not prepared to stand up and say no we need to prepare for next season

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16 Apr 2018 08:36:43
Propaganda to deflect attension away from a poor manager

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16 Apr 2018 09:25:56
I've just heard that Radz says there are no decent players available in the summer transfer window. He's going to wait for January

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16 Apr 2018 09:53:15
Hope that's humour speedy

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16 Apr 2018 10:02:36
See We we’re right us non Leeds fan the management don’t have a clue that they bought in this season, they all need to go, try all players to see how good they are Really can only be Leeds why do we keep getting 💩

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16 Apr 2018 10:05:20
Speedy read between the lines, what he’s saying is he has no money for decent players full stop has no money, prove me wrong Radz,

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16 Apr 2018 10:34:18
Not funny Speedy - you had me for a second.

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16 Apr 2018 11:33:00
I really do not think that the powers that be (Radz and Kinnear) have a clue how poor we are as they are being told by Orta that these players are good enough for top 6. I am certainly not defending PH as he is proving to be a poor manager but I believe he is being instructed to give certain players the most opportunity to prove themselves before the decision is made to move them on. From Radz point of view he will see them as assets and Orta will have egg on his face if his signs are moved on after one season.

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16 Apr 2018 20:10:39
I know if any my ex bosses suggested something, then I would argue my case against if I disagreed, and continue, but to a point. And who is to say that this hasn't happened. But there's a point at which you either walk because you disagree so strongly, or say, OK, if that's what you want! ? It's all hypothetical at the end of the day.

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15 Apr 2018 19:58:30
Lost and last seen a couple of months ago. Description; 80s dark brown/black permed hair, moustache, shell suit, average height and build. Often goes by various names, MM, mad Mick, Marius mickius and a couple of others that I know the Ed's would edit. Possible locations, Wetherspoons, bookies or trapped in his sister in laws basement as he's been caught being very naughty. If you see him, you may be able to tempt over to you with a pair of lace thongs. Any positive leads will get a reward of 10 winning tips from Lucas the master better.

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{Ed001's Note - typo there on the end LiG? You seem to have an incorrect spelling there for bator.}

15 Apr 2018 22:04:32
LIG Positive leads or positive Leeds? If it's the latter, we may have seen the last of MM for quite some time.

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16 Apr 2018 12:55:45
Ed, was going to put something along those lines but honestly thought that you'd edit it. GIW, I remember MM saying that he doesn't like to post when we're losing. I think you maybe right, it'll be a long time before we see him again. Possibly got his head turned to the Lincoln City rumours website?

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{Ed001's Note - masturbator is a descriptive word but certainly not swearing mate, so it would be difficult to find a reason to delete it. Though some editors might struggle to know what it was due to the word having more than 2 syllables and so delete it to be safe....mentioning no names Ed0333....}

16 Apr 2018 14:59:29
Ed001 So pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis won't get a look in then? Shame because I believe this is partly responsible for our lack of form.

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{Ed001's Note - only if Ed0333 is editing, so late night I would avoid using it, which I know will be difficult for the entire forum as you have all been itching to put it into your posts.}

16 Apr 2018 20:38:39
George, is that ale or spirits?

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17 Apr 2018 05:09:21
Neither one Stafford

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15 Apr 2018 19:47:02
If Hecky wants to recruit for the back four then a name that springs to mind is, Robert Huth. Soon out of contract and oodles of experience and at 6-3" will compete at corners. Also his contract expires soon.

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15 Apr 2018 20:50:39
We not got the best track record with picking German players

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15 Apr 2018 21:52:06
We managed to find the only Skint Middle Easterners, the only Italian couldn't defend and the only Germans who aren't efficient.

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16 Apr 2018 10:07:02
SG90, so so true mate,

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16 Apr 2018 15:01:55
And the only Pole who wasn't straight up

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15 Apr 2018 14:28:54
If I was Heck I would recall Felix in goal for Saturday's game, give Cibicki, Grot and De Bock a game and recall Klich from his loan. Anything to help send Birmingham down. lol

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15 Apr 2018 14:35:59
Don't be giving him idea's! If they are all playing I will give it a miss, seen enough defeats to Barnsley over the years! On a serious note though surely a loss on Saturday and he really is on borrowed time.

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15 Apr 2018 14:51:34
Like your thinking Mezzer!

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15 Apr 2018 15:11:13
Time to blood a few under 16s also. Come on Barnsley!

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15 Apr 2018 15:34:35
I agree. It's bad innit. I'd rather Birmingham go down than us win lol

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15 Apr 2018 18:11:55
Some people have nothing else to cry on about, thumbs down it’s part and parcel of the banter on site like these, Dear oh dear what it’s like to be a Leeds fan, team not doing well, Dog for a manager, and an owner with no money, and all we go on about thumbs down great ! Bright side of life I suppose,

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15 Apr 2018 19:37:03
Heck should let Barnsley win provided they give us our 500000 back and take him back as well, way were playing though they may well just do that without us letting them

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15 Apr 2018 20:58:19
Getting Leeds job all part of the master plan, get us to give them £500,000 for heck then he coaches our team against them, 3 points towards their survival and back in their managers seat during the close season.

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15 Apr 2018 21:15:54
I want him gone asap, but wanting Barnsley to win? We've had enough embarrassing defeats this season. I hope we stuff them.

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15 Apr 2018 13:11:47
First big detailed post, at the beginning the season would anyone say our squad was worse than millwall Cardiff sheff u Preston, especially when they have players who we deemed not good enough, samba Peltier sharp Morrison, so wats gone so wrong that we are in the position we are, something is wrong, wolves, soton and Norwich have been down to the 3rd tier but bounced back to prem league (Norwich I know aren't there now and soton r coming down) but what did they do so well that we arent, why are teams with smaller budgets doing better.

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15 Apr 2018 14:26:10
We don't have enough leaders, do we really have any? . we don't have enough players who can score goals, for as long as I can remember we still don't have a centre mid player who can get anywhere near double figures . we sold a striker for 15 mil and bought one for 500k, had cardiff done that with Zahore they wouldn't be in the top 6 never mind punching for automatic promotion. we lost the spine of our team in Bartley, green and wood. how much have we missed Charlie Taylor's over lapping runs? . all the teams you mention have a style of play and an identity, I aren't sure we have either tbh

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15 Apr 2018 17:10:07
Think we were unlucky buying Roberts

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15 Apr 2018 18:04:57
2 main problems for many seasons. 1) we are just far too soft in every department. No leaders on or off the pitch. 2) we don't create enough goal chances. Chris Wood last season was an exception. Don't think he is anything special. But without him it's demonstrated just how desolate we are up front. Our forward line couldn't worry a sheep.

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15 Apr 2018 23:12:02
How many games did Taylor play in his final season? So in answer to how we have missed his overlaps . not much

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16 Apr 2018 08:37:52
Was it 29 in the league?

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16 Apr 2018 14:03:09
Agree with you there Speedy - we lack the steel needed in this league. I'm ok with having some smaller, flair players but we need a steel backbone to win the ball and provide them with a platform to work on. As well as strength we also lack height and that is one reason we suffer in dead ball situations.

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15 Apr 2018 13:02:10
Personally I think we have shown potential for next year. Unfortunately we have been there before and are still waiting. With possibly just a few new signings we can be in a good shape to have a crack next season. Assuming a 4-4-2 then in goal will be BPF/BACKUP (could be lons/wiedwald) Back4 fm AYLING/COYLE/PONTUS/SHAUGNESSY/OCONNOR/STRUIJK/PEARCE/DENTON Midfield fm IDEGUCHI/VIERA/REY/PABLO/DALLAS/FORSHAW/MACHUCA Upfront STEVENS/DALBY/EDMONDSON/WILKS/ROOFE/ROBERTS/GROT/EKUBAN Now the only 2 positions I would look to enhance would be back 4 with the purchase of an experienced rock of a defender and Upfront with a goal machine although this is always the biggest gamble. I have included a few U23 names who are untested (and some unseen) but I am hoping that they will acquit themselves as well as the new young guns already. Whilst they have not set the world on fire they have by no means let themselves down and a few more like them would not go amiss. Certainly they would have the right attitude and hunger. It's just up to Hecky now to play some in the few games we still have left. One game is not enough it may take him 80mins just to feel comfortable.

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15 Apr 2018 13:27:30
Sorry I should have said that any borderline cases (I am thinking Grot/Ekuban right now) should be sent on loan to a decent L1 team with a virtual guarantee to get x% of games

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15 Apr 2018 13:30:59
I still think we need a gritty, defensive midfielder in the Vinny Jones mould to break up play and make the opposition aware that constantly pecking at our more skilful players won’t be tolerated. Viera would keep his place but move further forward. I think we need to replace Pontus - too moody - with another established c/b to partner O’Connor who has clearly now left the U23’s. None of Saiz, Alioski or Pablo are true wingers and we need some crosses putting in so unless Pearce and Ayling are going to get forward and do that, one of those other three needs to be sacrificed and we get a wide player in. We then need a proper, robust, Championship level forward who runs and yet can also hit the target without hesitation. Roofe isn't big enough, Lasogga has to go, Ekuban has heart but simply isn’t good enough and Grot needs to be loaned out for a season.

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15 Apr 2018 14:10:47
Nitty gritty midfielder? Joey Barton’s ban is coming to an end? Been linked with Notts County? One last good season in him? Thoughts everyone? Let’s have a heated debate.

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15 Apr 2018 14:55:50
I'd personally have Barton in any day day of the week, Lucas!

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15 Apr 2018 15:22:27
Hi. I strongly dislike Barton as a person, but think he would do a job for us just now. Show a few of em, Pontus included, how to man up and play with passìon.

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15 Apr 2018 15:31:38
Good call Lucas. Don't think there are many who would disagree.

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15 Apr 2018 16:16:23
Agree tory, Barton would certainly take no prisoners in the dressing room. maybe just what Leeds need.

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15 Apr 2018 18:06:51
A true leader

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15 Apr 2018 18:24:27
If we had a no nonsense Manager I would give him a go.

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15 Apr 2018 21:17:09
Charlie Adam is out of contract and said he wants to play at ER. Sign him up.

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15 Apr 2018 21:35:57
Whoever it is, they need to enforce but also stay on the field, so not reckless but measured aggression. Barton’s a good player - but it’s irrelevant unless they want to play for Leeds and we’re prepared to pay them.

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15 Apr 2018 23:14:32
Not sure about Wilks, hardly setting the lower leagues alight is he?

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15 Apr 2018 23:35:38
Sorry lads but he’s a true thug.

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16 Apr 2018 12:27:29
For myself a huge NO to both Barton and Adams . a pair of thugs with little talent

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16 Apr 2018 18:42:41
Yet some hero worship Berardi

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15 Apr 2018 13:01:32
Going to get attacked but I think we need to hold onto a manager. Hick knows the game we are short a couple of quality players that's all. Stability builds winning teams we neex to show a littlw empathy and acknowledge we as a team are down to the bare bones.

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15 Apr 2018 13:03:25
Mate were short of about 10 quality players,

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15 Apr 2018 13:23:20
I am with you Fella. Give him a window (or 2) and a season to show what one of his own teams can do.

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15 Apr 2018 11:12:57
I've not posted in a while because I don't really see the point, I'll always be a leeds fan but it's just typical isn't it the way it's panned out, so I've just decided to give up on optimism for the season. I'm still at the games and if I can't be I'll watch them on lutv. There are probably 5 positives from this whole season imo. signing forshaw, pablos form, O'connor, Pearce, BPF. next season we have ayling back. If it's a 5 year plan we're going for then fine. Play it by ear and give 8/9 youth players first team call ups on a regular basis and hope that in 4 years time they're good enough. For me based on what I've seen in 23's performances and first team, you have maybe 12 players worth playing. BPF, ayling, Jansson (massively overrated imo and Bartley proved that he was a saviour in our season and made Jansson look better) O'connor, Pearce, vieira, forshaw, Rey, Hernandez (if he stays) alioski (a hard worker and glimpses of skill) Dalby, edmondson and probably shaugnessy. That to me says you need 4 defenders, 1 of each position, a goalkeeper, 3 midfielders, 2 attacking 1 holding, a winger, and 2 strikers. That's a full starting 11. We're miles away from what we thought. First of all get rid of heck and orta, promote the 23's manager corebran, let him bring through his youth and then look at what we actually have all together. For me you've got to sell. Wiedewald, lons, berardi, cooper, de bock, anita, buoy, phillips, okane, sacko, cibicki, Roofe, ekuban, lasogga was never really ours, dallas, grot, ideguchi, Murphy, all the rubbish we have in our ranks just get rid whether we terminate contracts and it costs us a couple million, dw bock cost us a couple million and look at him. I live in hull and if we're not careful we'll end up in a state like hull city, all our players are on loan and not good enough, the owners don't invest, the players see the club as a stop gap part time job to earn some big money, there's no ambition. That's the way it feels to me right now. I'd genuinely rather be a good league 1 team than watch all of this in the championship. How monk kept all of this under control is beyond me, some of this lot make Matt grimes look good. There's a lot wrong, but we have a good 5 months to fix it. AR, get your fingers back in those pies and give us a wolves model to go by, a structure we can enjoy, so what if it costs you 50 million, we'll repay it, you've got a sleeping giant at your feet, a huge fan base that'll stay here no matter what, and when you get us promoted the league will reward you. I personally think he's just got to go for it, all out. I'm sick of watching those lot and being fed up every time and asking how we got to top of th league. TC should have stayed, wed lost 6 games out of 8 is that really that bad? We've won 2 out of 20 since Boxing Day. 8 of those managed by tc, 12 by heck, but tc took us to top of the league and brought the best out in saiz Hernandez alioski even roofe. Bring up the 23's manager or get in Nigel Pearson, a name we're all familiar with, tell him to bring the old troop back and sign some of his classics, the back room staff, the lot.

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15 Apr 2018 11:22:54
Samowhite, really good post ( i know guys it's long, but stay with it) . You sum up it perfectly for me except the part about keeping TC, for me he had lost it, either lack of coaching knowledge of lost the players. But apart from that Totally agree with the rest.

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15 Apr 2018 11:35:07
Agree with most of this Ortas signings have been rubbish you don't always need millions spent look at Leicester Cardiff Millwall just a guy who knows what he's doing so to entrust Orta to rebuild again is lunacy us fans have been badly let down again and backed Radz to the hilt time he took stock and pick a proven manager and let him pick hs team for next year wthout Orta bringing in foreign players from lower leagues the strikers he's brought especially are absolute crap Radz must accept a lot of the blame yes he got us back Elland road TC paid the price instead of Orta but I fear the same mistakes will continue to be made

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15 Apr 2018 11:39:35
Really good post Samowhite but I agree with Mezzer about TC. But when he went why the club didn't field applications is beyond me instead of just giving job to Heckingbottom. The changes need to start at the top, but will Radz admit he has got it totally wrong and begin the process. Honestly I am not sure if he will, but I hope he does because apart from the emergence of some young talent I can't see how we can look forward to next season with any optimism.

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15 Apr 2018 13:06:39
Good post Samo and very therapeutic. You have got to feel better getting that off your chest. It should be a very interesting summer to show what direction we are going. Hecky stay/go. Friendlies lineups, full of kids. Wise, quality not quantity, recruitment.

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15 Apr 2018 21:17:58
Bartley ain't all that. Can't get a game for a poor Swansea team.

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15 Apr 2018 23:33:30
Know what your saying SG and can't argue with the point but when he was here he was the rock behind Pontus and for all his histrionics Bartley, for me, was the more valuable player.

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16 Apr 2018 14:29:26
Good post Samo and there is always a point even if just to provide entertainment to your fellow fans - i know what you mean though there ain't much left to post about this season as it has already been said. this season is over now roll on next year.

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15 Apr 2018 09:55:34
So we are 10th in the list of championship spending this season. Villa being the top spending team. While having money to spend on your team can be a big part of getting a team promoted, it proves that what his Cardiff team has done, having a Manager who knows the league and can get players playing like Warnock has done, is the right business model.

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15 Apr 2018 10:39:04
Agree Mezzer, and as much as it grates, Harris has done a top job at Millwall on a very limited budget, but his players know what he wants from them and they play with commitment and spirit.

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15 Apr 2018 13:34:57
Yes got to agree Mezzer. This is a major task for Hecky this summer. He probably can't weed out the shirkers and the not quite good enoughs while the season is in progression but he certainly can in the summer when he will have chance to fill the gap with players with commitment who will do it his way. This summer and then next season will be a big test of his man management and motivational skills.

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15 Apr 2018 21:21:34
So TC had us 10th and above. How did he fail again?

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16 Apr 2018 11:02:06
His and our luck vanished.

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16 Apr 2018 14:30:56
He got found out and wore the players out

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16 Apr 2018 20:41:18
We had Colin at ER and he didn't pull up any trees

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Review Of The Day 15th April 2018

15 Apr 2018 06:56:30
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 15th April 2018

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15 Apr 2018 09:18:40
Hi Ed001, is the picture of a hairdryer showing your love and respect for Fergie and with reference to his hairdryer treatment? 😜

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{Ed001's Note - something like that. It certainly was in relation to the story about him. I always try and use a picture which relates to one of the stories, though I prefer to use a more obscure reference if possible as they like to guess what it is on the Arsenal site. It is not always easy to find a picture to fit what you want though, so sometimes you just have to go to blatantly obvious!}