Leeds Banter Archive August 15 2014

15 Aug 2014 23:09:42
Just read somewhere that Sorensen might be back on. Is that possible? Has he signed for anyone does anybody know

15 Aug 2014 21:57:39
Not sure if people are fully appreciating what I think will be our best piece of business this summer. With the excellent showings of Doukara, the magical passes of Bianchi in pre-season and the arrival of long time prolific marksman Billy Sharp, people could overlook Giuseppe Bellusci. This is a master stroke from Salerno and Cellino and should pretty much single handedly solve the leaky defence problem we've had for so long, especially as he slots in on the right side of central defence, which has been the weakest. We know Pearce is capable, but trust me when I say Bellusci will be an absolute unit.

15 Aug 2014 19:56:15
As I said a few week back mc teaching people lessons like its his way or no way and I got slated for it I for one am glad he is doing this enough people taken p##s out of us for long enough roll on tomz
Mot

15 Aug 2014 19:16:53
negitive post and all I am sorry. glad leeds are on telly tomorrow and hope all leeds fans who have not seen the mighty white see tomorrow. I predict shambolic defending, none exsitant marking, hoof ball with no penertration. A game plan that is not understood by anyone. some running with no real clue, disjointed and lack of heart and passion. 3-0 loss. I will be in the pub with shirt on with pride. I will be only leeds fan and expect to get laughed at and I don't mind. But after you all see and if I am right please all get off my back for my dislike of the hock. hope I am wrong hope we win every game and go up and hock is so good he leaves us for england. but think he will get sacked and we will not have a win under his leadership. This post is up here to get shot down and I hope you all do when I am wrong. if not when are we all starting the hock out chants. I started mine 15 minutes into the millwall game I think I gave hock 14 minutes more than he deserved

I do like reading your posts bermondsey!

15 Aug 2014 20:01:52
Flippin eck Berm but you're entitled to your view, just hope you're wrong fella! MOT

Can I postpone my reply until Sunday? :)

So you gave a new manager who is probably not even influencing the team 15 mins. Well done son, pat yourself on the back. I appreciate you don't go to many games but do you realise how many games there are in a domestic season? You're quite entitled to your opinion but you're getting a bit boring now!
MM

I hope I am wrong too. and sorry if I am getting bit boring just really angry this guy is our manager and can't wait till he is sacked. if I am right and he is the walking joke I predict I expect a few people to say wow bermondsey you know your football and called that well. I also expect mc to give me a say in our next coach appointment

Not having a go bermondsey but who else out there would you have liked? We had 2 so called proven managers and lookow good we was with them, this bloke is a coach, he will improve the players. This team given the chance to gel will be flying by jan, he will improve the players and the football we play, hoofball is long gone from elland road pal

Agree Gareth. MC will only have a coach - and the vast majority of other candidates would not be interested in that type of role. It's going to be a complete change for us, so let's wait at least 10/15 matches and see

"Negative vibes man, negative vibes"

Who would I rather have. literally anyone, I do not know/couldn't think of a worse manager and all my Millwall mates have tried to look for someone with a worse non-league record and couldn't find anyone. the manager/coach argument is a good point maybe hock was appointed because no one else would do that role as it is a very european approach. that don't mean I have to be happy with his appointment. I would rather any younger coach with potential. any other manager with real league experience. My choices would of included, Kenny Jacket, Eddie Howe, Alex McCleash, Malky Mckay, Martin O'Neil, Simon Grayson (think best manager we have had since Wilkinson rated him loads), Steve Clarke or even warnock or McDermot all have better c.v. and quality you can't argue with that. Even an Italian who would be better and agree with the coach role. Hock is english but has no experience so might as well get Italian. Hoofball hasn't gone one league game and ball was in the air more than on deck. If in 10/15 matches we are so bad you lot are calling for his head I want retractions. you lot should have more faith in me and less in hock, it would seem I have better pedigree and experience, I have won fantasy leagues and football bets which makes me more qualifed in predicting football than hock is as a coach

Bermondsey, you all want us to get off your back if you are right which is fair enough (I personally don't share your view and think Hock is a decent coach and I am happy to give him a chance), but what if you are wrong? What do we get? Can I suggest that if for some reason you are wrong and Leeds play decent football along the ground, with passion and a good game plan that the players understand, you stop posting any more on this site? We are bored of your criticism
I think that is fair, anyone else agree?

Bermondsey
NO ones having a go at you mate, just voicing an opinion same as you are and entitled to it.
You made it clear you don't like the Hock and i'm sure if the performances don't get any better by the end of sept he will be gone.
MC has said we are not very good at the moment so he's NOT planning on pushing for play-offs this season.
Dont let the Hock take your mind off why we are on this site, rumours and banter mate.

CHIN UP B & enjoy the match I love your posts when your not moaning lol

Ok I do see your point I have gone bit hock crazy, just very dissapointed and would go as far to say disgusted that he is anywhere near our team let alone the head coach, been getting so much stick and banter my end, which I normally don't mind but not when it is almost embarrasing, maybe it is a london thing, millwall put up banner saying f@@k off lomas the day he signed and I would be 100% behind same thing for the Hock to let MC know we are behind him but will not allow sub-standard appointments, we have been joke for long enough, the light is at the end of the tunnel MC is the guy to take us forward but he needs help and wants to be in charge (hence bad appointment as hock will take what others would not look at what happened to tony pulis). Kebabman I make a promise if we do well under hock I will post once more saying I was wrong and how I love him, if we is sacked and I was right I want a post from you saying how clever I am and was right all along then think you need to never post again. I am man enough to say when wrong and happy to hang up my posting boots, you happy to make the same call? what shall we say as a deal? I think if we are lower than mid table by christmas? of if hock is sacked with less that 45% league win rate? that a deal. Happy to negoitate on what terms one of us retires from this site? Any MOT is witness. I love leeds and always cheered on team through thick and thin but hock appointment was too much for me to take

Thing what gets me when people say we've tryed proven managers yes they were proven given any sort of budget not 100 k n an IOU for crews next best and free transfers thing is look at who mcd had at reading warnock had at qpr sheff unt lufc4life

I did post but it don't think it got through. Kebabman, I am happy to accept that. If I am wrong I will post a retraction saying I was wrong and never post again. I am big enough to admit when wrong. I am normally very postivie and every 2 year I put a tenner on england winning and every year I put a tenner on leeds going up and a leeds player as top scorer (won last year well pleased with RMc) this year I haven't and think that says it all. If I am right kebabman will you never post again? think it is fair for you to call it, but only if your prepared to not post again either. Andy MOT can be witness. I hope I am wrong I would rather leeds be good and me not post than other way round but how confident are you Kebabman. I am confident that the hock is that bad we will still be hearing from me in 6 months but you will be a long gone like last nights drunken kebab. then I will be able to support our next manager but so angry that hock is anywhere near out team let alone the head guy and I can't let this one go. sorry but I just cant. so kebabman you in? because I am

Great post shaddit. simon grayson was amazing look at the team he built (with some good player brought in by gary Mac) no budget losing best players with no money to replace. Then Neil I get teams out of this league warnock. Neil is great at this level but had hands tied same with McDermot (who I was bit dissapointed when he lost his job) all these proven managers where just that proven with a track record which suggests their faliures where due to the club not them as they have done it else where. As I keep saying if young and unproven I would give hock time but he is 56 and has been a c.v. and track record in easier league with massive budget. Said before MC wants an Italian coach but thought it best to go English first so appointed a fall guy, then when it don't work out MC will say went english didn't work now let's try Italian. hopefuly one proven who players will play for (hock has cost this club players as they will not play for him) just dissapoint hock said yes. I use to be lead in west end musicals I was offered role in new tour of blood brothers but said no as I know I am no longer upto it and would be bad and would get bad reviews. People need to know limits, I wouldn't put myself up for bad press and let other cast down. I feel hock is letting leeds down by taking job he must know he can't do

In the name of banter. oi kebabman. you're not posting anymore.you're not posting anymore. you only post when hock is winning post when he is winning. and finally shall I write a post for you. shall I write a post for you

Apologies for not posting straight away, having a life got in the way.
Your request was to not have any stick should you be right about the Hock which I agree to, my request was that you stop posting should you be wrong, you have added another concession to the negotiation, are you Agards agent?
Not sure why I would need to stop posting, my opinions are rational and based on common sense unlike yours

Thats out of line kebabman, we both have opinions. to say mine is not based on common sense and not rational is not rational in itself. my opinions of hockaday come from what he has said, what I have seen of his team (both are very little) and four years of forest green and a 56 year career. based on facts, stats and common sense. so out of line there mate. you said will I accpect to not posting I said yes, will you? I will be a man and stand up say I was wrong and not post, you can't call someone out then not be called out yourself are you carl forch? now what you put about my posts was wrong. so let's see who end up showing common sense and rational opinions and who is wrong. loser stops posting? what you have put about me in bit unjust I have four years of forest green results to back me up.

I guess I win after today's performance and result!
Bye bye BW

15 Aug 2014 18:22:55
What a mug agard is if he has turned us down because of wages. Greedy agents no doubt scuppering deals to safeguard their cut. I for one am proud that cellinio is putting an end to players trying to negotiate massive pay deals with Leeds because of our fan base. If cooper and adjose can come to Leeds from lower divisions and realise that this is a step up for them and a big opportunity then the problem lays with agard on this one. We don't need any more players at Leeds who are here just for the wages and couldn't give a monkeys chuff about the club, wrong motivation.
WELL DONE MASSIMO.

Oh well, its off to the mighty bristol city for him then!

I agree but we need to be realistic, why should players care for the club, they are not fans, and being a fan don't always make you a better player, this is thier job and makes sense they will go for best pay. we are a not a premiership team, we are not a big club, we have amazing fans and good histroy but does that really make a difference to a career choice? like mc and agree not to pander to demands but bigger and better clubs than us do pander (man u to rooney being the most obvious example). we are fans players are not, they are doing a job I think fans need to realise this a little

Totally agree Bermondsey. Can never understand fans getting annoyed when a player wants to leave so he can help himself and his family to a more financially secure future. That is just life and I for one won't knock em as long as they tried their best while at our great club. Hopefully in the near future we will be a big club once again and players leaving to better their careers, get more cash or just to get away from the Hock will generally be a thing of the past. Think about it, if Man City put in a salary cap of say 50,000 a week they would not attract any new top name players and excistings ones would be on their bikes when contract runs out! Its just the way it is. Money talks. And those naive enough to think academy players are different because they 'are Leeds' are not in the real world . We have lost lots of young players in recent years to top flight clubs and its not because they have nicer kits! I expect Byram to be added to that list soon enough.

15 Aug 2014 23:22:15
Sorry lads, both wrong, this is pure greed, endemic in football today. To this end I would con seed that a grad is not much different to many others, I do not agree he was thinking "financially securing his future". I doubt he is on peanuts even at rotherham. the Man city example is barely relevant, they are fishing for world cup players, agard can only dream (like the rest of us I guess) of playing in such circles. Its a case of over delusions of grandeur I'm afraid on the part of agard. who is probably being hyped up by his agent. Better players will, and have come to leeds FOR THE RIGHT REASONS.

Procedentes. what are the right reasons then? I make the right chances for taking a job the following. Money (it's a job), job security (many think we could go down) and down satisfaction (again we have a joke manager, a good in my opinion but firery chairman who likes to get involved in football matters more than most englishmen would like) we don't look like winning much or going so what are the right reasons. because other than wage, which we are not offering I don't think there are any reasons to play for leeds if so please state what they are. Past glories? Big fan base? don't think so. if I was a player I wouldn't want to play for leeds I would consider other clubs unless I was a leeds fan which this guy is not. I know many pro footballers and most do not follow a club as it is a profession, they support a club when little then have affections for teams once retired and the affections often are towards the clubs they played for and even the biggest Leeds fan would have to consider if leeds was the right club if a pro player be realistic

16 Aug 2014 10:46:44
Hi bermonsey, I was a bit posse when I posted the reply so sorry if its a bit of a rant!
The right reasons are, in my view, the potential for KA to develop his career at a football club with massive potential, my understanding is that MC likes to incentivise player contracts. If money is the motivation then its fair to marry performance up to rewards. Which is the real world we all live in. I don't agree with your appraisal of Leeds as a club. As far as this division is concerned there are few bigger clubs, KA's alternative at present is Bristol city. That's the definition of a no brainer and i'd BC offer a few more quid that us then that's their loss, our gain. We have had enough of players who come for the wrong reasons and I agree with you that footballers need to safeguard their future, its when the money requirement is out of kilter with the need to develop footballing wise and ultimately deliver on the field. no regrets about losing out on players like this.

15 Aug 2014 17:51:49
I know its random but whatever happened to Ramon Nunez? I always like him as a player but he never really got the chance at leeds with injuries and stuff.

Went to Scunthorpe and picked up a serious injury. Probably retired. I rated him early on, he just needed to settle down a bit. Lad could score goals

Liked the lad too, but pretty sure he got his contract terminated after getting sent off in a cup game. was a very dirty challenge though.

A mate of mine bought his Range Rover - the log book had a Roundhay Park address

15 Aug 2014 17:00:13
Hi ed I was told about us been in for Banford last week and I posted it, but I was told we wanted a full transfer or a loan to buy and they had refused( loan only ) so the deal was off. Are u sure the deal is now on again. It seems that way with massimo though don't it

{Ed013's Note - I can't confirm whether it is on or off because at the minute I hear genuine information only for someone to pull the plug on it. The rumour I was told is that it is close, but please take that with a pinch of salt as we have had 3 or 4 players closer than close in recent weeks ;-)

15 Aug 2014 15:04:20
I say pay agard what he wants he'll be worth it in the long run.

{Ed013's Note - Been here before Paddy}

Seth Johnson wanted £40k a year, and he got it, plus a car that he never asked for! He was a complete embarrassment, so let's learn from it and offer Agard what MC believes he is worth, if it doesn't suit him then good luck to the lad, but I think he may live to regret it

Didn't we pay Johnson 40K a WEEK? Wasn't worth 40 pence as I recall….

Why should players come and demand a high wage we as the above post says been caught out and lived to regret it. We have a good owner who will not pay silly money. Also what do people think about the derby players not wanting a win bonus but a good pay out if they get promoted

He mustn't have been on much at rotherham in league 1 at most 10k so he must have asked for double that but still if hunt is on that I don't see why agard coultned be.

It's very easy to tell other's to splash the cash, but if it was coming out of your bank account, you might play hardball more?
Well done MC, keep looking for commitment, not Gold diggers!MOT

Good to play hard ball but is there a point when losing on players due to demands is cutting nose off to spite face. not saying this example is but worry we have lost some players. its ok for leeds fans to say play for the shirt but players don't they play for money. any builders work for little as they like the house and blueprint of what they are building? Teachers, I will work for less I like this class? believe in MC but there must be a balance and are we hitting that balance? only time will tell but I do think MC will be good (and already has been good)

Algarve, that's gone down really well with my Derby supporting friends!Shows a positive attitude i.e reward us for doing something, and not until we do!(But please, if there is a god, let T he Mighty Leeds beat them twice this season, its costing me a fortune in free beers)lol

15 Aug 2014 14:14:36
I wonder who we go for now that agard deal is off? Surely there's another player in mind, a good one probably. What's your thoughs ed?

{Ed013's Note - Someone is saying a deal for Bamford is agreed and the Gradel rumour is coming back!}

Ed13 hope Bamford rumour is true if so aren't we entitled to a finders few £as we both been advocates of the lad since he shone at mk dons what you spending yours on lol

{Ed013's Note - I have my bank details at the ready ;-)

If Bamford rumours are true I'd have him over award for sure known scorer in championship that would be real quality all top clubs in our league after him come on mc and hock get him here ta

Just set mine up in camens isle got tip from a fisherman called bates

15 Aug 2014 13:27:46
Just saw on Phil Hay's twitter page that the deal for Agard is off. Cellino has said that he was asking for too much in wages and didn't like his attitude. Antenucci could be the alternative and we are interested according to Salerno.

15 Aug 2014 13:03:32
hi guys

what a week! Sharp, Bellusci and Cooper! brilliant!

Now Argard looks like is going to happen! Any1 know the fee?

Should we be worried about the Financial Fairplay Rules? I don't know much about them but know we are starting to spend and more players means more wages?

Bamford would be icing on the cake for me!

MOT

15 Aug 2014 12:22:19
Great news that the club want Matt Smith to stay, and even better that he actually wants to stay. Hopefully rumours about unrest amongst the players are just rumours. We are all United!

15 Aug 2014 12:11:14
Agard misses training with Rotherham this morning due to successful bid from THE MIGHTY LEEDS!

15 Aug 2014 11:37:52
Just a quick message to anyone going to the match on sat v Boro.
Sharp if he plays knows the league and says he's fit but he's down on match fitness as he's not played a first team game since aprilish (from what I've been told) Cooper is stepping up 2 divisions from last year so if selected he's going to find it quicker and more physical, plus he's NOT used to playing in front of 30k fanatics everyweek, let's be patient he could be a decent player according to a few spireites I know.

Lets turn up 25,000+ and make it a great atmosphere for Massimo & the boys. don't boo ANYONE whoever plays just get behind the team and the confidence will grow.

C-mon Leeds Leeds Leeds ;)

Well said Andy

15 Aug 2014 11:07:52
seems to be confirmed by LUFC and Rotherham that fee has been agreed for Agard.

15 Aug 2014 10:37:33
How many new signings to play tomorrow, got to be better than last week. Please let's get Agard, that would be a mega frontline

15 Aug 2014 10:01:46
We're going to spank the smoggies!
We're going to spank the smoggies!

:-)

15 Aug 2014 08:46:40
Hi ed(s) I am back after a long time away, couldn't remember my password and old email so am on a new account, good to see afew new faces coming in, especially sharp if he can re-live his past days of scoring, sounds like there is a chance of agard aswell, surely we can beat bristol to him! Do people think he is going 4-3-3 this season then? STW

{Ed013's Note - Welcome back mate, I remember the name}

Our midfield isn't strong enough for 433. That showed against Mansfield, Chesterfield and Millwall. Even against Accrington late on the midfield folded. We need a king pin in the centre with Bianchi and Cook Imo. Murphy and Austin just can't dominate.

As for attacking players, we do look strong in 433, especially if Agard joins