Leeds Banter Archive December 15 2015

 

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15 Dec 2015 19:30:03
The main reason for us not conceding as many goals recently is that Bamba and Cooper haven't been playing together. I don't care who is playing at full back if that pairing is revived we will start to concede again. If Berardi plays instead of Wooton the defence will certainly stronger however.

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15 Dec 2015 18:39:26
Big story in YEP now saying SE says that MC has no influence in the dressing room. The guy goes in (well I guess he can as he owns club) and SE has no issue with that (maybe some other owners who turn up at games do this now and then? ) .

SE says it is his team/tactics.

Guess what a lot of fans don't believe him, I guess they just want to believe all the neg stuff about us but how many times can SE say MC doesn't pick team etc.

If us Leeds fans had a gun we would shoot ourselves in the foot cause that what this is really, all this paper time just makes it seem there could be something in it.

Someone once said that if everyone tells you you are mad then you are (even if ya not) cause if everyone wants to believe something then it "becomes true" cause everyone thinks it is.

I would rather just talk about the footie like why big brave Steve hasn't got the balls to take a risk and play Botaka when a game at 0-0 like Charlton, will Botaka ever get his chance. Sure he needs to improve end product but how long do they need with him on that? Seems a waste to me not to give him much game time.

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15 Dec 2015 20:52:44
The key person denying any influence from celling in the dressing room is celling himself. This is his MO from when he was with calgliari, why would he change?
Spot on about Botaka, give him a full game and he will cause problems for every defence in this league, seems a no brainer to me!

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16 Dec 2015 12:33:42
Pro

I have checked up and a lot of owners go into the dressing room by all accounts so not that rare of an event, think SE rothers chairman did.

I just can't see a old school Scot like SE taking any shit re his team/formation so to me it is just all bulls***.

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15 dec 2015 12:58:58
teams that now play us would know to attack down there left flank why weak link . right back wotton.

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15 Dec 2015 13:20:38
ERR hasn't he been playing at full back for a while now so would guess teams would know that already. I'm no fan of him but do feel people always seem to blame him a lot, if SB was playing anything like he should be in side for sure.

Anyway he can do a job even if he is limited as a player and not a full back so I agree we should get a replacement now or if any of our U21 full backs ready?

Last 6 games with Wootton at full back we have let in 3 goals (ave of 0.5 per game) , that is a fact and he plays his part in the defense even if he is the weakest link. In the 14 games before we let in 19 (ave of 1.36 per game) so as a defensive UNIT (which to me that is what it is about, not individual players) we are getting better as the facts say so maybe not that much of a weak link?

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15 Dec 2015 13:46:15
Agree DG. We've no idea whether Sam would be any better, and our problem for a long long time has been that we don't score enough goals, not that we let in too many.
SE should forget about training and planning. Just make the lads watch Leicester videos!
Oh, and ideally sign Jamie Vardy please.

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15 Dec 2015 14:00:41
I agree too. Think he takes a lot of crap for no reason. Silvestri has been responsible for more goal mistakes than Wooten. He ain't great and we have better but ffs he ain't the whole reason we are crap.

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15 Dec 2015 16:06:25
Wottons not a full back that's why he makes the odd mistake, but fair play to him he was asked to play there and gives it his best and never moans. Sure he would love to get back to centre of defense. And its true we usually get beat by the odd goal so if we scored two every game can't see us getting beat often.

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15 Dec 2015 17:00:46
My problem with Wootton is that his defensive frailties as a full back are only half the story, he also does not give the team an option going forward.
Granted it is not his fault and we as fans would slate him even more if he refused to play as he did not to play out of position.
If Evans cannot see the problem then what does that say about him as a manager. Nearly 2 months in and what has he done exactly? in a run of fixture against mainly mediocre opposition. How many players have improved? How much further up the table are we? Like Scott Wootton at right back, Evans at Leeds is out of his depth.

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15 dec 2015 12:55:57
well next 8weeks wotton need to bring back sam . can't have him in team that long were trying to improve . so who is stopping him play after all he is still a leeds player . no matter what you still have to play your best team . we can't carry a weak link .

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15 Dec 2015 14:36:24
Who said we are trying to improve?

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16 Dec 2015 06:00:14
ho ho ho.

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16 Dec 2015 12:54:49
I don't think wooton is that much of a weak link as the stats prove. Byram is clearly gone at the game and his head is elsewhere, so no point playing him. Speedy makes a great point about Leicester though as I think they've only kept two clean sheets all season. The message is clear, attack, attack, attack! And we'll win more than we lose, if the wizard is let off the leash.

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15 Dec 2015 12:07:43
Remi Garde from Aston Villa is considering selling Agbonlahor in January. Would be a good signing even if it is a bit expensive. Will add to our strike force and could be a good attacking partner for Chris Wood.

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15 Dec 2015 10:22:39
{Ed's Note - We have posted a new article entitled, Mapp Makes History As Bolton Move Nearer Becoming History

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15 Dec 2015 08:16:51
OK a lot of people are shouting about mc not flashing the cash on new players but it, s the same as buying the ground if the other owners are not willing to invest and I must point out that I don't, have an insight to the club then why if the club can, t afford players should mc use his own money to boost the value of the other owners share, they all need to get together to get the mighty leeds back to the promised land when there value will then triple or even more.

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15 Dec 2015 09:05:26
Contrary to popular belief I am not a cellino lover and disagree with a lot he has done. I do think though that he is doing the best he can financially. The money he invests is to take us forward, the money gfh put in was justt adding more debt. He has restructured the club finances and still wants uss in the premiership. As you say gfh will benefit from his efforts from now on.
Believe his priority now will be to get rid of them, maybe fans coulld chant for them out. They are the big problem at our club.

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15 Dec 2015 10:35:25
Bige

Saying GFH will benefit from any investment is Cellino's biggest excuse and that of his apologist. I am not a fan of GFH, but if we did invest in the squad and got promoted, many on here would not be too concerned. It's like the pair of us winning 20 pints but not cashing it in because we have to share it with MM and GIW. As the saying goes cutting your nose off to spite your face. I would rather have something to share, than be miserable. You state Cellino is doing the best he can financially, but the tribunals, other court cases and paying off ex coaches are a drain on resources. A friend of mine got talking to an Italian journalist while on holiday in Sardinia, he stated Cellino "Was not there to rip us off". Which I believe he is right in that assumption. The real problem with the man is he doesn't think, before acting. Ripping up legitimate contracts. Macron are in the process of suing us for £5 million. GFH knew what they were doing from day 1 and wanted to flip the club, while holding a shares. They are owed 20 million plus interest, so no amount of protesting will see them go. I am of course right in thinking that you wouldn't be chanting for them to go , during the game.

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15 Dec 2015 13:06:33
Lol I don't chant for anyone out deda during the game I focus on the pitch. My point is we can't just blame everything on cellino, gfh, and the other guy, own 25% of the club but get no flak. That leads me to think there's ulterior motives in play. He is an ass, but a good business man. If macron get 5 mill will be surprised but the hit must be worth it or he would not have done it.
If the club starts going in the right direction you will see how deep his pockets are. That estimate of him being worth 200 mill is guesswork no one knows his true worth. He had to pay 7mill in unpaid taxes once, that translates to a lot of profit on top of the profit he paid tax on. I do not think he will sell the club and will do all he can to get us up. But I do believe we would get there sooner without gfh.

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15 Dec 2015 15:29:26
Bige

You did state in an earlier post that you were against chanting for people out during the game, but then asked for fans to chant against GFH. So I'm assuming that you mean a demo before/after the game. The only problem I forsee with this approach is they do not come within a thousand miles of the ground. The money owed to them will mean unless we had a large invested interested in a 100% buy out, we are stuck with them. Cellino will not pay £20 million just to get rid of them (I don't blame him) . Cellino has inhereted a minefield, which would tax the most skillful of accountants. Who is owed, who owns what, means that we are not a great prospect to take on, despite the once great club,one club city,huge catchment area, that many people state. If it was that simple, we would have been taken over years ago. So in some ways I can sympathise with Cellino. It's just that some people on here (not yourself) seem to have a black and white approach to this issue. Cellino isn't bates or GFH, therefore, support his every decision, however ridiculous. I believe the way forward (in the short term) would be for LFU to try to raise enough money to by patel's 3% and work with Cellino, who could inform as to where the major problems in the club are. They themselves would have to seek advise from the fans, so to be speaking on our behalf and not taking it upon themselves to speak on behalf of all Leeds fans.

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15 Dec 2015 16:17:24
Agree it would be great for us to have a say in the boardroom, but as you say not many moneymen will want too take us on. Rumours around middleton are Parkin was llooking at buying shares in the club, not a takeover. Cellino wanted to sell all or nothing at that time. Gfh wanted top dollar for theirs. Deal not dead yet if we climb thhe league and are around the playoffs in march april something might happen. Hope so because think we stuck with Cellino and need local input.

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15 Dec 2015 17:56:09
You write intelligently Deda. So does Bige. I disagree though about it not being worth it to buy out GFH. In my opinion, it would solve many problems and endear Cellino to the fans. That's worth a lot right there. Cellino may as well kill the big C which is GFH and see where it takes him and the club. I think he'd be pleasantly surprised.

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15 Dec 2015 21:07:39
It's not that it's not worth it, it's who will pay top dollar as Bige said for there shares. Even getting them off the board would not get rid of them totally. They managed in there short time in charge to loan the club over £20 million in loans. Looking at the ins and outs of our transfer activity, it didn't go on players.

They have charged us for "management consultancy" among other things. They paid out daft wages on players, but we are where we are. They know if we go up that their shares in the club will go up. So they can stay where they are. No pressure to invest,no critism if things go wrong. This is where I believe any protest against them should be. At the moment they are just an absentee landlord.

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16 Dec 2015 03:11:27
Deda

My point is Cellino ought to be paying them off as it has become necessary. We are rapidly approaching the point where the owner has to go the extra mile. I don't see much progress while GFH are a part of our makeup.

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