Leeds Banter Archive February 16 2012

 

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16 Feb 2012 23:35:23
Yes the loan market does work within reason.A squad full of loans and freebies does not. {Ed003's Note - How many loan players do you have ? }

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Erm ................ 3 Ed {Ed003's Note - Well you don't have a squad full of them}

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Brilliant!! The voice of reason. Not even a Leeds fan. Is that what it takes?

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It's like all mindless so called fans they here something so it must be true Leeds don't have a squad full of loan players or freebies we have paid for 8 or 9 of them (undisclosed doesn't mean free) and we have players that have come through the academy surely it's better to produce than to pay someone else they would rather us be back in the Portsmouth or Rangers place or one of the over 9 clubs that are on the brink, for this I trust bates until the right investor comes along not the first. Thanks Ken your doing a ok job!

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16 Feb 2012 23:15:05
I read comments saying Bates wants quality not quantity.I must be missing something then because if you want quality you pay for it.You dont bring in loan signings plus past it players who have no club.You also offer your best players improved contracts and not let them go.If Bates didnt agree with Graysons transfer dealings he could have said no and sacked him along time ago because all we have done in recent times is go down the loan market and out of contract market.If Bates was that desperate for promotion we would not have redfearn in charge.How can a club who will not buy players who will make a difference and add quality to the squad honestly expect to go up.You say he wants quality our squad is worse now than when we were in div 1 .Bates says we have no debt but we are going knowhere we dont want to go back to the risdale days but surely we can bring in two or three quality players to make the difference but we dont.Bates is only interested in the stadium that is where is big money is otherwise why spend 7 million on redeveloping the east stand.He is 80 years old my only hope is that the devious .... is planning to make his money soon and go.He wont put money into transfers because it doesnt guarantee promotion.If promotion was his highest priority why was Grayson even appointed.Bates would have gone for experience back then.Grayson came in because he had proved he could work on a tight budget at Blackpool.Managers under Bates Blackwell wise mccallister Grayson need i say more.This club needs investment in the squad and an experienced manager who knows how to organise motivate and get a team playing.When Bates is ready he will walk away a happy and richer man until this happens this great club will continue to stagnate. {Ed003's Note - The loan market works fine for a lot of other teams}

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The banks wont loan football clubs money for players anymore. They did however loan Leeds/Bates the money for the East Stand development which makes sense

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My friend, you forget that Bates DID back one manager with decent money for transfer fees - Blamewell. Says it all, really.

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The old boss wanted quantity rather than quality and that is why this season has been so bad and when you have brown on 15k a week shows that the old boss spent his money poorly. Bates backs all his managers Leeds have a budget that more than gives our team a chance of promotion it's then up to the manager to deliver.

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Last poster - where's your evidence? With a tight budget constraint of 9m (and that, in football terms, is very tight if you want premiership football) you have very little choice about the players you sign. The only policy you can employ is a scattergun approach and hope that a percentage of your signings or youth players work out. For Grayson it just about worked - the problem being that the best players were all sold for profit or released on a free when they asked for more than £10 and a bag of peanuts for playing.

From our 7th placed midfield 5 Grayson was left with 1 by january this year, Snoddy. Johnson, Kilkenny, Gradel and Howson all gone with only Clayton back from loan in the same class. Real football management isn't Fantasy Football and it isn't a computer sim - it's a lot harder, and Bates made it even harder for Larry by setting unrealistic expectations without a matching budget and then selling the good bargain basement players he'd found. Scandalous.

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Would you prefer a tight budget but have a club to support or go back to the rods dale days of blowing cash we never had and almost putting us out of existence? I don't like bates and can't wait until he goes but I'd rather have a stable club not in debt rather than an person waving cheques around. Yes we have some fantastic memories but I worked there at the start of the (very sharp) decline and my god was it scary and heartbreaking

Bates is clearly no saint and has been questionable with how he has done certain things BUT we now have a financially stable club which, I appreciate it can be very frustrating but that frustration has in a big part been caused by us being spoilt by someone who jeopardised the club we love - I'm grateful I have a club to support still but will be a happy man if Bates can get either an investor or buyer with some cash to throw at us

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16 Feb 2012 23:05:43
Been keeping an eye on the odds for the next manager throughout the day and seen Glenn Roeder rising steadily all day. Still not exactly odds on like

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Its worth a pound bet!

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16 Feb 2012 22:19:16
I have supported Leeds since I was 12 years old, 1968, and I have stuck with them through whatever, ever since.

I have seen the good days, the indifferent days, and the downright bad days!

I am still here, still supporting Leeds.

I will be here (God willing) long after Ken Bates has left this club, one way or any other.

THIS IS MY CLUB, NOT YOURS, BATES!

Where are you going to be in 20 years time??????

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A centurion or dead, 100%.

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6 foot under!

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16 Feb 2012 21:11:38
With the financial state of football the way it is i for one am very happy that Leeds is not financially in the crap. I like you would like to see a better squad but in this tough economic world is it not better in the long term to have a solid financial base. Bring on the Financial fair play rules and lets see how well we do. I have faith and will keep the faith because i Love Leeds United

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We all love Leeds, just different ways of showing it

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Unfortunately the fair play rule only says you can't pay more out in wages than you take in?

It doesn't say anything about having to actually spend ALL of the gate money on wages?

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16 Feb 2012 20:22:08
There is no way NR will still be manager after donny game. Even tho KB seems to contradict himself here and there, he defo wants promotion on an unrealistic budget. But still NW will get us into the playoffs. The lads need an experienced boss who can kick their back sides into gear, trust me things will go up hill, prob after the donny game which could be 3-3 with the defenders on show. 8 out and 2 good players in summer for me. MOT.

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Bang on mate. For all his stupid comments, Bates knows the only way he'll make any money on us is through promotion. His comments on an apparent clear out (which some fans seem to have taken as a negative) lead me to think he wants quality rather than quantity with our squad. Warnock or McCarthy are the 2 favourites for me as they know this league and have a track record of promotion without spending a fortune and will motivate a squad which currently seems to lack confidence & direction

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Would you like to make a small bet on NR still being in charge on monday then?

We need a manager, not charity!

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I agree with the comment about bates wanting quality not quantity. There was a real criticism of Grayson in there saying he backed his judgement and it was a mistake. I'm assuming all the loans and etc were Grayson's ideas because I don't remember too many under Wise or McAllister, both of them seemed able to find decent standard permanent signings without splashing the big bucks. The scouting of players seemed to change under grayson with more of a speculate short term/instant success plan with no longer term plan in place to follow through if it failed. No doubt I will be told this wasn't Grayson's idea but Bate's but this never seemed to be the case under the preceding managers.

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But who had the more success?

Wise did extremely well through the -15 farce but didn't want to see the job through.

McAllister, for all the "pretty" football, was leading us to League Two via Histon.

Grayson got us out of League One, was very close to the play-offs in our first season back in the Championship and, believe it or not, had us still well placed just three points off sixth when he was sacked.

Grayson wins hands down and we shouldn't have sacked him. History will prove this.

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As much as I was becoming dissillusioned with Grayson and his strange tactics and team selection he should not have been sacked without someone to take his place. A company with a multi million pound turnover would not sack the manager and put the tea boy in charge to run it whilst they found someone else, yet that is exactly what leeds have done {Ed020's Note - redders is'nt exactly the tea boy is he .}

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Wise did well cos he had poyet, when he left things went down hill. I would take big mick or NW.

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It’s a realistic budget for promotion it’s as simple as that, the teams that have gained promotion other than them given parachute payments have done so in the main on a smaller budget than Leeds.

You can’t blame bates that the budget has been blown by our previous manager on a excessive squad, paying players like Michael Brown 15k per week, paying loan fees, rather than perm signings it’s simple logic if you cut 6 players from the squad that serve no purpose now or in the future then there would be wage budget left.

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16 Feb 2012 19:32:37
How's this for a scenario - we lose to donny on sat and Bates claims our season is over so we keep redfearn till the end of the season and re group in the summer - we beat donny on sat and Bates says it looks like we have turned a corner and should give Redfearn more time - either way Redfearn stays in the hope we have enough points to avoid the delegation zone - in the summer he appoints a new manager with the promise of some cash but makes sure it's a guy who won't moan if they don't get too much as they have to sell before they buy with the hope he can some investment so his profits don't take a hit - just a thought

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We almost have enough points to avoid relegation as it is - it wouldn't surprise me if Redders was kept on.

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Original poster again - please don't slate me for the odd spelling error ( and I missed a word) lol {Ed020's Note - haha its cool,i've banned people picking up spelling and grammatical errors. annoys the hell outta me}

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Totaly agree, well said Ed, it's not a fecking class room.

MOT

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If Redfearn stays we WILL go down. He is as bad as Grayson, in that he has stuck with the favourites.
Against Doncaster we should put a couple of youths in and reserves who desperately want first team football as the others don't seem bothered (give em a fiver and they can watch prem football in pub)

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How can he be as bad as Grayson. He didn't get us relegated

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We DO NOT have enough points to avoid relegation!

There are 15 games left for most teams, which is a possibility of 45 points, and we actually have exactly 45 points our selves?

That means every single team under us (like Coventry!) could end up above us?

Not hard, is it?

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So all the teams below us are going to get 45 points and us none then,get a grip,well be comfortable mid table.

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Look at the bright side lads 5 points til safety and still not far from the play offs thanks to the form of others around us

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I hope we ARE comfortable mid table, but on the last few games showing we are dropping down 1 place per week, how many weeks do you think are left this season?

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16 Feb 2012 19:18:41
big leeds fan leeds wont go up until next year because of leeds will ne to pay taxes from adimistration which expire at the end off next season. new manager should be ginger gordon he will show passion. new defensive coaches shoul be radabe + and mateo fetch batty in as well to show midfield how to have that bite we could always dream but if you look at it all are out of work so would be on a cheap buget for bates.

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As good has they have been on the pitch and idolised by fans none of our ex players have made decent managers at Elland Road.

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Almost right - Don Revie went from player to manager though. As for the 'not wanting to go up this year' stuff - drivel. The financial rewards of premiership football far exceed any penalties imposed by the CVA. We won't be going up until someone invests in the squad.

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Yeah,all ex Leeds,you need to get out more bud.

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Please let's keep Don Revie's name out of this, what he achieved will never be repeated in our life time.since him ex players not been up to it.

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Just making the point! Revie was an ex-player who became a great manager for the club. Saying ALL ex-players have been poor managers is simply not true and is disrespectful to The Don, who was both a great player and a great manager for the team. needed to be said for the sake of accuracy. Not sure why someone clicked disagree...

Having said that I agree with the general thrust of the responses - all this obsession with ex-players is really weird. When will they wake up?

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I think we should all be ashamed to mention Don Revie's name in connection with any of the total sh*te now being experienced at Leeds?

Snodgrass is about the only person who realises what the problem is, that being that the team have neither the stomach or the will to represent a club being ripped apart by the chairman (who cant even be bothered to turn up mostly) and us paying public?

If this isn't dorted out by sunday, you've lost a life long supporter!

I am Leeds through and through, but I am not the kind of person Ken bates Pre-supposed!!!!!!!

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Er so unless you are happy by Sunday you're going to support someone else? Why wait? Sod off now.

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People who will turn the back on leeds just because of bates < we all hate him>make me laugh how can they be leeds through and through we dont need them anyway im a leeds fan because for football alot of part time leeds fans just want to go behind the scenes and dig at bates hes not going to sell until a silly offer come in so just get behind the players and stop moaning about every little bit that goes wrong

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We are not turning our back on Leeds, and never will. However, we are also not property developers or foreign tourists who just watch Leeds when it's convenient?

We will be around, long after Bates isn't.

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16 Feb 2012 19:08:10
Come on Mr Bates get your walllet out and bring in Strachon and Mcallister. Strachon as manager and Mac as his assistant. Remember that Mac brough in Beechio, Snograss and put Delph and Howson in midfield, he would be great in developing the youngsters. These two have real passion for Leeds and would take us to the next step!

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Don't rate Strach or Gary Mac in a managerial capacity. They are legends of the club. Let it stay that way.

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Agree,sick of hearing of ex Leeds players as manager,hasnt worked yetdoubt it ever will.

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I think Gary Mac would actually be worth a shout. I know the problems he had last time but i almost think his style of football was too good for that league one level. The football we played at the time was outstanding, if he could have sorted out a bit of backbone in the side in my opinion he'd still be there now and we'd challenging for promotion. If he's learnt that or could bring someone who could bring that to the table i'd take him back.

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I can still picture him in that dugout at Histon, he'd lost it.

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Sorry to say we were heading for League Two under Macca.

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Just can't believe someone would have McAllister back!

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Yes,I would have him back and make no apologies for it. The football we played at that time was fantastic, i can remember going to games and actually feeling like i had got my money's worth and had been entertained! Far cry from where we are now lol. As i said first time round though, Gary Mac did need to discover the ugly side of football as well as the pretty side, but if he is ever able to do that I would welcome him back. That is a big if though. When the going got tough we had no bottle at the time for a scrap when the football wasn't working. That was the big flaw in McAlister's management.

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Sorry mate, this is all very romantic about McAllister but football management isn't his game. When he was sacked we had lost five on the spin, including that ridiculous defeat at Histon and their team full of postmen etc lol! I can also recall a particularly lame 4-2 defeat against Rotherham in the JPT that season.

McAllister wasn't able to construct a good enough defence in League One. Yes he is a legend of the club for what he did on the field, I also have the utmost respect for him as a person because he is a man with enormous dignity, but he won't be back to manage Leeds United.

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16 Feb 2012 19:02:53
Clark was sacked by huddersfield so they could appoint warnock before Leeds made a approach

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If you seriously think Warnock would ever accept the Huddersfield job then you are obviously a sad Udders fan.....

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16 Feb 2012 18:42:56
I was told today,By a freind off a player who left Leeds last year that the top wage earner at Leeds is no other than Mr Lee Bromby.And graysons affair was whith a 24 year old office secretary nothing to do whit A obrian both facts

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Leigh bromby is not the top weekly earner he just has the longest contract so he will cost the club more than any other in the long run.

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We all knew that anyway lol

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16 Feb 2012 18:10:09
Do the players want to go up? In
League one I am sure there was a
small group that didnt. Now there seems to be a bigger group. Once almost safe from
relegation, after Christmas,
performances go down. Reason? Too
many know that promotion would
spell their transfer. Playing at Leeds
is not a bad option whatever
division especially if you are getting
near the end of your career.

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16 Feb 2012 18:01:01
get a manager in now high profile that may just stpo you losing all your paying fans bates because we are getting ticked off now i am not going saterday travelling from peterborough everyweek to watch s**t no more unless things change

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Thats why I won't be making the 300 mile round trip from Milton Keynes any more, till Bates goes.

If I want to watch a sh*te game, I can walk up to the Dons and pay half the price.....

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16 Feb 2012 17:30:20
Why doesn't everyone join the Leeds United supporters trust so then at least your supposed hatred for Bates can be expressed through the supporters trust and help get in a new owner. It's not a Bates Out group but they just want change

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How do we join ? and how much is it ?

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LUST has no chance of making a difference or getting Bates out. Bates will go when he's ready and no amount of protesting will make any difference to how he runs the club or any ideas of selling. If he cared a bit about what people thought about him, there would be nothing to protest about. {Ed020's Note - he's 80. he's not going to be around for much longer, he'll get what he wants then move on. premiership is his goal, he must have a plan or something up his sleeve for something soon as time is not on his side}

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Good call Ed

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And what makes you think a totally undemocratic self appointed group called LUST will do anything for us REAL supporters? Ken Bates has nothing to fear while they are his only threat....

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16 Feb 2012 16:59:33
Bates will do anything to save money.My biggest fear now is we get beat by Doncaster on saturday(very possible the way we are playing especially at elland rd).If this happens he could then come out claiming our season is over.too far off play-offs enough points to stay up so sticking with redfearn till end of season and get new manager in the summer.The man is a lying s**t before christmas comes out with comments saying we have to go up this season for the fans.Yet we have now gone over two weeks appointing new manager and still nothing yet we are told large volume of applicants and whoever we all feel should come in as we will all have our own ideas there are plenty of experienced candidates out there out of work.When Grayson was sacked we were just outside the play-offs with then 18 games to go a quick appointment would have given someone time to come in and get the team organised sort out the defence and push on.If we dont go up in the summer we could lose snodgrass,clayton,White and mccormack.Also Bates says major changes to transfer policy.These are serious times at elland Rd.Ihave supported Leeds for 37 years this is the worst set of players i can ever remember.But look on the brightside the stadiums looking lovely and they do a wonderful meal in the restuarant.

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It's not out of the ordinary for a job application to take anything up to two months, I would sooner take our time and appoint the right man.

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16 Feb 2012 15:14:21
If its not McCarthy or Clark, I take it Bates would like Warnock? However, perhaps our inactivity will let him slip away to Huddersfield where the promise of funds and the chance to topple Leeds as "Yorkshires No. 1" !!! may just appeal to Neil- Just hope its not another Chelsea old boy! I'd take Roy Keane rather than that- at least the players might have a little fear? How about John Sheridan?

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Roy keane? - no no no and no again

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I can only assume that it's all sorted as otherwise we're wasting time. Even if redfearn is a candidate, interview him and the others this week and then make an anouncement early next week. However Shaun Harvey is away on holiday this week so that's not happening, so as I said I think it's already done. It's warnock in my mind, we're just waiting for him to sort out his pay off from QPR, especially as we're looking for someone with experience. I would prefer de Matteo, plays proper football.

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Sean o`driscoll knows this division ,can spot a bargain,his teams play good football and would be cheaper than warnock,dont know why he isn`t manager already.
only went wrong at donny when he got injuries to key players and only had a small squad.

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16 Feb 2012 14:56:34
We need to keep protesting inside and outside the ground every home game everyone needs to voice there concerns to the way our club is being run ie why do we continue to sell are prise assets, why arnt we giving our main players ie white, snodgrass, clayton, and mccormack new contracts, why spend money on redeveloping the east stand when we dont even own the ground, mot without bates?

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Whos going to listen to your protests?
Do you really think you are making Bates sweat?
We all have the same concerns and worries but whos going to listen?

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Yeah,lets do all we can to put our players off and create a lousy atmosphere,take your protest and stick it where the sun dont shine,at least keep it out of the stadium.

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No protest please.i wanna watch football.stop wanting to demorilising players

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This is my thought on the only type of protest that would work - fans go to a home game support the team win or lose then stage a protest by staying put after the game and sing for bates out.
No meeting in Leeds where people will have difficulty getting to, and all the corporate events will have to listen to the real feelings of the Leeds supporters.

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Most of the players dont give a crap because they wont be there in the summer so why should they be bothered ,probably got there moves already sorted by there agents

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16 Feb 2012 14:50:35
Master Bates is at it again he claims it is vital we get promotion this year & says it is vital we get an experienced manager in to help us achieve promotion yet he gives Redders 3 games to stake a claim, contradiction after contradiction
All sorts of rumours flying around it is about time Bates put up or shut up.

Personally i dont like Bates, he seems to think he has played no part in the position we find our beloved club in. The thing that really ryles me is his constant lies, he is treating us as mugs.

Come on Mr Bates if you want us to have the best possible chance of promotion appoint a full time manager.

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16 Feb 2012 14:46:02
Bates out, lorimer out, harvey out, and finally williams out?

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Williams is the worst influence at the club. No decent manager will come work under / alongside him

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Last one out turn the lights out or you will make Kb angry - if they all go who is going to appoint a new manger I love all your idiotic thoughts maybe men's assessment was right rofl.

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16 Feb 2012 12:54:27
your the big boss bates so if your so clever why did you let grayson overspend by 2 mill stop passing the buck and piss off back to london you think any body further than watford are thick. stop lying and get out our club and stop blaming others why dont you disclose what the actuall figures are, its like howsons transfer .undisclosed so to me that means he went for a lot less than whats reported .the other thing on my mind is snodgrass he cant be our captain because you no it will be outrage when you sell him next year not good selling 2 captains you think we are stupid .rant over

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Think he lives in Monaco.

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16 Feb 2012 12:34:16
Hope Powell just seen leaving Elland Road, would be a superb appointment, and brave to have one of the few lady managers

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Haha, nice try Hope.

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You really think Ken Bates of all people would hire a woman?

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Holloway would be a very good choice,knows how to build a squad with little money and Blackpool are a good side to watch,hes way better than most of the names linked with us,think hed come and all as we tower over Blackpool.

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Except he's doing a good job of putting Blackpool in with a playoff chance.

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Havent we just got rid of an ex Blackpool manager? Why would we want another?

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Would be funny to poach from blackpool again though

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Coz Holloway is quality thats why wed like him but we wont get him

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16 Feb 2012 11:07:14
So Master bates espects us to get promoted but still hasn't brought in a new manager.

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Well observed squire.

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16 Feb 2012 10:21:38
Freddie Ljungberg keen to return to England following a spell in Japan - quality player on his day would he be worth a punt til the end of the season?

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He's said he fancies a prem club as MK Don's have already lodged an interest.

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16 Feb 2012 08:21:37
The job is bruce's if he wants it and accepts the money! If not the job is going to warnock.

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It would be a very, very hard pill to swallow if this was the case. Surely Bates knows how much of a terrible decision this would be, but does he care. I wouldn't mind if the guy was a good manager. I did hear a rumour a while a go that Bruce was spotted in Harrogate with Leeds officials, but who hasn't according to this site :)

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As much as I love Leeds I could not support Bruce as manager

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As much as I love Leeds I could not support Bruce as manager

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I agree imo hes the worst manager in england, maybe the world lol.

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I can not understand how any of you.can want warnock after what he said about Gary Kelly Bruce would be a better option but would rather have a more expansi e thinking manager although non seem to be around at the moment sonwaiting may be a better option as my dad used to say marry in haste repent at your leasure!

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16 Feb 2012 05:50:25
What's the chances of Andy O'Brien starting on Saturday then? Rather a quick recovery from his "depression" don't you think?

There's a nasty smell coming from our club at the minute. I don't trust anything I hear.

I would love Grayson to spill the beans but he probably won't as it's still the club he supports.

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O'Brien has been out ages and had treatment for his illness you numpty

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Just heard on radio Leeds have ruled Clark out of the running as we need someone experienced at this level or above,Hudds are after Warnock,expect odds for Davis and Jones to drop now.

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Wouldn't want any of those two.

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Numpty from you! HA HA HA!

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16 Feb 2012 01:26:55
Quite a few people have mentioned bates wanting to raise 15 mil to buy the ground back, now i don't know if its just me but i read it as him talking about trying to raise it when he was at chelsea to buy stamford bridge. Has anyone else read it this way or am i being stupid?

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Yes your right, we are now Leeds village on the account we're supposed to be idiots. hence village idiots.

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That makes ken one of the Village People then?

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Y.M.C.A to buy Leeds village.

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15 Feb 2012 23:49:16
Shows why Leeds lost last night... In Danny Pugh's interview he says.'We expected the win!' like what team expects to win the game I mean the championship throws so many surprises and anyone can beat anyone! You don't see Sir Alex coming out and saying that do you! We thought we wouldn't have a tough game on our hands but FairPlay to Coventry!

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I understand where your coming from, But I wish people would stop using fergie as an example. I cant stand the guy and he wouldnt have done so well if we hadnt sold a certain player named cantona to him for peanuts.

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