Leeds Banter Archive September 16 2015

 

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16 Sep 2015 19:58:28
It is very hard not to 'small a rat' with MC's well-flagged and numerous dodgy goings-on. Time will tell as always. And, IF MC is responsible, then how many much more of this before something is done (by the Board, FL, a gladiator).

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18 Sep 2015 14:43:09
Small rats aside, Pearson is not a fool and took the job knowing who he was dealing with. He has clearly added much positivity to the club and I thank him for that. If he decides he doesn't want to or feels he can't do it any more then that's his decision to make. I don't think he was pushed its the balance as a non exec. is it worth it.

Ultimately I would like to see Pearson come back as owner but feel anything less will not satisfy his thurst. Hoping Celino's fingers can be pried from club and Peter Wilkinson takes up his old role as financial backer for Pearson.

Could happen (it won't but it would be nice).

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16 Sep 2015 19:36:42
There is only one real problem with the defeat last night, and that is that we went to a 442, instead of sticking with what we had. The thing is, with a 433, we can revert to 451 when we're not in possession. Which is supposed to nullify the attacking threat of the opposing team. We messed up last knight by trying to go 442, without natural wingers bar Dollars. Our 433 system works well away from home, and it will at home too, as long as we play the right players in the right positions. Play Lewis Cook on the left? No! Play Antenucci up front as a starter? Not until we're on a decent run, so no. Stick with what works, and move on from there. When uwe was at Wigan, he drew far too many matches, he needs to be far more attacking than he is being at present. Just my opinion. But still, hey Ho, we'll probably batter MK dons on Saturday, and everything will be forgotten.

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17 Sep 2015 01:16:06
Unfortunately Horrorspoke people seem to be way too hung up on us playing 442. Everyone seems to think that 2 strikers equals more goals but you need to dominate midfield these days or you get over run. Uwe sadly bowed to fan pressure and scrapped a system that had seen us unbeaten and we fell short. If Ant won't play winger then he should stay as an impact sub, he has been really impressive coming off the bench.

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17 Sep 2015 08:34:19
Agree gums but playing lone striker depends on back up and goals from midfield. Atm mowatt off form and Dallas yet to score. It's a lot of pressure for wood. Especially without service. One striker hadn't been serving us well. 4 draws remember

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17 Sep 2015 11:24:15
Will take a draw over a loss any day Ausman. Look yes we have drawn too many and yes we need midfield to chip in more but we have been small margins away from winning most of those games. We should be tweaking the system we have played so well with all season to iron out kinks, not scrapping it and hoping for the best.

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16 Sep 2015 16:00:10
Hope things are going to pick up soon as the form we are showing will get us sent down!

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16 Sep 2015 17:22:29
Keep it real Jay. We've lost one game. A game won by a single goal which if we'd have scored would've put us 8th in the table. I knew the doom and gloom merchants would be out after one result but ffs lads let's put this into perspective. One loss, that's all. Up to Tuesday everyone was brimming with confidence, now we're all doomed!

We will lose plenty more games this season. The team is young and work in progress, but hopefully when things click into place we'll get a string of good results together and I still believe we'll finish in the top 10.

Just in case you weren't aware there's another 39 games to play before we go down!

MM

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16 Sep 2015 19:54:23
Well said Mick. WE HAVE TO STOP OVEREACTING both positively and negatively and I'm no different. Hopefully our patience will pay off. MOT

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16 Sep 2015 22:07:47
MM a man after my own heart, my post saying same thing, mind you I wad like us to win at home soon as can't remember what that is like!

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17 Sep 2015 11:44:57
For me, it is NOT the defeat, but how we were defeated. Even if we won 1-0, it would have been better (of course) but alarm bells are still going off when we get one shot on target in 90 mins against a team that were battered by Reading. I am on a ship in the Indian Ocean so did not see or hear the game. I can only go by the stats and what others put up on the internet, and so far, to me anyway, in present form, we are going nowhere.
As a Dutchman, I see similarities between Leeds and my national team (never thought I would ever say that!) in that they can pass sideways and backwards but no real penetration at the sharp end, and mistakes at the back. High crosses into the box against a very tall Ipswich backline lacks imagination and common sense.
I'm not a D&G merchant, but something needs changing.

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17 Sep 2015 11:46:55
PS 'D&G merchant' means 'doom & gloom merchant'. No sneaky dig at 'DG the voice of reason' intended.

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17 Sep 2015 14:49:20
I think Notts hit the nail on the head with his match analysis. Adey and Murph are both too defensive and sit back with too much space between the forwards and midfield. We lacked the so-called 'heavy metal' style of play from the previous game at Derby where we passed the ball from back to front and were compact with no need to play hoof ball.

I think we have the personnel, just need to play the right players. I suppose the team is suffering Mowatt's lack of fitness/form but don't know why we didn't play Phillips.

We'll stuff MK Dons and then we'll all be happy bunnys again!

MM

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16 Sep 2015 14:56:10
For what it's worth I think the squad is good enough. The problem lies in the style and system. The square pegs and round holes comes to mind. It is sad to say that after all this time (pre season included) we still need to find a system that works, but it's not an insurmountable problem. The other problem to me is the lack of pace and that is not an individual comment it is bemoaning the lack of tempo from defence to attack. Playing football and not hoofball but showing quick, crisp, accurate passing - at pace. One thing missing on Tuesday was the lack of (heavy metal) tempo.

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16 Sep 2015 14:35:52
To every Leeds fan on here - don't be so fearful/depressed today because of the defeat and Adam P leaving.

We are always big news so people are always going to try and create rumors about why AP has left, means Uwe will be sacked now, C Taylor will be sold etc etc.

These are attempts to destabilise the club and other peoples agenders which we know is going to happen as we have seen it before.

AP did a lot of good work but his reasons to leave seem to be true, until someone proves it is for other reasons I have no problem with this, executives leave all the time, just hope MC gets someone else in who knows football.

The game was so poor last night, had 0-0 all over it, I can't complain as it was the team I would had played. We lost just about every 50/50, second ball, didn't pass well and no one seemed to be able to get on the ball and create anything, overall we were bullied by their strength. But Ipswich were no better than us, so far in all the games it is much of a muchness really.

I just hope Uwe does not let the AP thing effect the team because no reason why it would, go back to a 4-3-3 away on Saturday and hopefully play like we did at Derby (who after losing to us and had not won after 5 games go and win 2 on the bounce).

Lets not give in the the doom mongers out there, I would be looking at my keeper option, Wiz onto the bench for Sat, our bench did look weak last night with no game changers on it for me so maybe we need to look at that.

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16 Sep 2015 13:40:48
Just wanted to put a different perspective amongst all of our obvious dissatisfaction of Tuesday's result. For my sins living in the South I was offered a ticket to see Brighton go 5 points clear of the Championship on Tuesday. Honestly, a draw with Rotherham was the more likely result, and two of the games they won at home Blackburn in particular they were not the better team. New striker Hemed is scoring every attempt he has, they have bought wisely with Murphy from Sheffield Utd but they are steady and as all the fans around me were saying on Tuesday night EVERYTHING us running for them at present. I appreciate it's well worn cliche on this Site that anyone can beat anyone in this division but I believe this to be the case more than any other division. In short we have to be patient and as the best supporters in the league support our Team. Our time will come, I'm not going anywhere until it does anyway. MOT.

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16 Sep 2015 12:27:09
Unfortunately my head was right and heart wrong we lost. The loss confirms I think what I have thouht for some time there is a huge inbalance int the squad and some very difficult decisions will have to be made especially regarding our home grown players. The back four/six (squad is relatively easy : Beradi; Cooper, Bamba and Taylor. (Byran for Beradi and Belusci for Cooper if you like) either way whoever you play will not make a major difference as Cooper appears to be improving but, like Bamba is vulnerable to nippy pacy strikers. It is the mid field where the problem lays. If you want width you play Dallas and/or botaka. If you play both that leaves just two positions free if you play two up front. Therefore only two of: Cook, Murphy, Mowatt and Adeyemi can play. If you play just one up front you still have to leave one out. If you don't play dallas or Botaka and play an additional midfielder you lose width and someone is again playing out of position. So the best you can get Viz a Viz playing the home grown (or in form) talent is one or more of Byram, Beradi, Mowat, Cook, Adeyemi or Murphy are left out. They are all talented players but with the squad we have you simply cannot play them all. Keeping them all happy is going to be a problem, getting abalanced team with pace is going to be a problem. Keeping them all at the club, bearing in mind that two thirds of them are central midfielders, might not be the best option. We have at least eleven decent players but we have neither balance nor pace. Up front Wood is not brilliant in the air but we tend to not to play to his strenghths. Antenucci has yet to do it for a whole 90 minutes although he is certainly our best finisher. The front men are not getting the service they need because we haven't found a system to accommodate our current players OR we haven't got the blend of players to fit into a recognisable system. You cannot just blame Goal keepers or referees there is still much work to be done in shaping the squad.

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16 Sep 2015 13:36:36
and this is why we have a coach and management team.

A system was employed, it was working and it was changed. Lessons learnt, revert back.

Isnt this what football management is all about.

We have 5/6 central midfielders, which is about right is you play 3 in midfield. We have 3 wingers (for argument sake, byram is a winger) which is about the right number but in all honesty we need another.

We have 3/4 strikers which is right for playing 1 upfront and employing a 2 man frontline when needed.

IMO I don't theink we are imbalanced, just short on a few blayers. The balance is right for 4-3-3/4-5-1 just need more cover. One thing I do like is that we have players that can play in other positions, Berrardi at left back, Wootton right or central, byram on the right and enough cover in midfield (Bianchi sloth and Philips)

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16 Sep 2015 14:38:58
Agree DS this is what Uwe is for to manage and sort things out for the good of the team, not an individual.

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16 Sep 2015 16:34:21
The point about an inbalanced squad is what you have actually said. We need more players in t5her positions where we are not good enough. However most Leeds fans I have spoken with want us to play our youngsters. We can't play them all. Keeping them happy and at the club might not be possible. I still can't see how you can play Cook, Phillips, Mowatt, Murphy and Adeyemi in the same team. They are all central midfielders and are not that effective wide. Playing Byram just makes the issue more difficult.(Reduces the midfield options) That is what inbalance means. There are too many similar players and some others mentioned that otherwise might balance the squad(not the team) are not good enough eg Wooten, Sloth. We still lack pace. Dallas is not going to frighten anyone with pace. He is a steady up and down player from what I have seen so far. We are almost there but Rosler will have his work cut out keeping them all positive and happy. You can't play them all.

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16 Sep 2015 12:23:35
Ive watched us 3 times. in general happier than last year, performance wise.
But
We do not move fast enough
We do not find space for a pass
We do not frighten defences
Either our players don't understand game plan. Our players cannot execute game plan or game plan is flawed
As was said further down
We need to score to win. We are struggling to do that again
No panic yet but bit of dejavoo creeping in.

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16 Sep 2015 13:52:20
Pay your hacker. That was a good post.

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17 Sep 2015 08:33:36
I'm not all doom and gloom, I am very excited about our young Leeds team and can see great things.
It's not the 1 defeat we have suffered that gets my concerned, it is all the draws and that equals a lot of dropped points.
Just saying that the our form will get us sent down NOT that we will go down MOT

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16 Sep 2015 12:08:12
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Yes Pearson is gone (for now) - if he is ill then I wish him all the best and a very speedy recovery. MC has come back a different man - give him a chance. Regardless of all the previous issues, he still has the success of the club at heart. Let's get behind him with vigour and passion NOT a knife! MOT

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16 Sep 2015 10:45:42
I guewss Rosler sucumbed to popular opinion and went for the 4-4-2.

It didn't work, quite obviously and we have logged our first loss of the season.

I know we all have opinions on what system we should be playing, but we should realise that he are not held responsible should anything not work out.

Although we haven't been tearing up the league they 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 employed by Rosler best utelises our midfield talent and allows the likes of Dallas and Byram (and eventully Botaka) to bomb forward and take on defences. Over the last few games (compared to last year) we have been more attacking and creative, so let him be, pick the side and formation he wants and build the side he wants.

Addded to that (i think someone pointed this out below) Ante is better coming off the bench as he is pissed off he hasn't started.

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16 Sep 2015 10:13:47
Right formation for me last night but the wrong personnel in it. Murphy and Adeyemi both play too deep and therefore left a huge gap between the midfield and attack leaving strikers isolated. Our left and right wingers were constantly shut down by their right and left backs/midfielders which led to Murphy and Adeyemi hitting hopeful direct balls to our forwards. The only player (Cook) we have who is capable of collecting the ball in midfield and driving at the defence was stuck on the left wing for best part of 70 mins. It summed it up for me when we had a free kick just inside our half, it was played short to Cooper who looked up to see Adeyemi and Murphy stood about 10 yards for him both marked, neither trying to create space, Cooper turned and played it back to the keeper. Too many players had bad games again, Dallas, Berardi and Wood's touch and passes were poor, Murphy and Adeyemi went missing for large parts of the game and Silvestri was at fault for their goal with a cowardly flap at the ball. Listening to the Rosler interview after the game, he was honest enough to admit our failings but it strikes me that he focuses too much on how to negate the oppositions strengths instead of working out how to score against opponents, proof of this is that we rarely troubled their keeper

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16 Sep 2015 13:54:11
Best post I've read on this site.

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16 Sep 2015 15:12:09
As normal Notts 100%, you've not let me down with a post yet

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16 Sep 2015 09:27:25
I was so happy when 4-4-2 was opted for last night. I would have gone with Byram rather than Ademyemi only because we would have had natural balance and having our best central midfielder on the left was a strange decision. First 10 minutes Wood and Antenucci looked like everything we all hoped for, but that's where any hope disappeared. I'm not going to harp on about Silvestri's clanger, because that didn't cost us the game, it didn't help, but we just didn't create anything. I do think Silvestri needs some time out of the team though. Bamba had another shaky performance, which has been unlike him. Ademyemi like Mowatt for me can only play in a 5 man midfield, but after the long awaited Wood and Antenucci performance I'm up for going back to that for the next two away games.

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16 Sep 2015 09:09:54
well one defeat and then all those draws come back to hurt you 8 points and downward we go .same old story we still can't score goals which believe it or not you need to win games .saturday mk dons hard to break down so got to be 0-0 yes would love to see 3-0 win but need goals from somewhere

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16 Sep 2015 08:29:12
It was average for 30 mins, then deteriorated after that.
Wood won about one header yet the long balls kept being launched to him, it was a performance reminisent of last season, still a long way off Heavy Metal Fotball.

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16 Sep 2015 00:25:50
Woke up. Got out of bed. Run to my phone for result
Not happy
Team was really exactly what I wanted minus silv
Pearson gone too
So questions now need to be asked
Where is the heavy metal football? . ( I call wilko team heavy metal, 90% of the time focused on attack ).
Weren't all these players bought to suit uwe plan?
So does that mean uwe can't implement it?
The players can't implement it?
The players aren't good enough for success in this league?
What is the point of having turnbal the wizard. Irwin. Etc when they don't get a chance. We need to give the opposition something to think about during a game and bringing out of form players like Byram mowatt, ain't going to do it.
Having said all that, it's still early but for the first time I'm begining to think, either wrong players been brought, wrong players being played or the manager is lacking?

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