Leeds Banter Archive October 17 2014

 

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17 Oct 2014 23:53:56
Another frustrating night for Leeds fans here is my view of the players that played tonight and then where I believe the problems are which is not something I am just saying tonight my previous posts before the season said the same thing

Silvestri- Good signing a little off his normal form but definitely one for the future

Beradi- steady defender but only got into the final third on a couple of occasions and was ineffective when he was, would rather see Byram start he won't get his top form back on the bench

Pearce- Brave and a willing player but not big enough tonight to cope with Revell who murdered us all night in the air, not quick enough to be a regular in my opinion

Bellusci- Another willing player and has showed good aspects to his play one to stick with.

Warnock- poor on their goal could have cleared it but has played well this season and don't see any better option there

Cook- Fantastic prospect drove us forward and surprised he came off I would have taken Bianchi off myself, will be worth big money in the future

Mowatt- Decent game tidy footballer wish he had more pace but another good prospect

Bianchi- Tidy in most games but poor tonight would like to Adryan in his place who looked a top player when he came on

Antenucci- Decent game good prospect needs better service but works hard

Doukara- Poor tonight terrible first touch not a starter for me would like to see Sharp and Antenucci together for a few games

Austin- Average game no idea what he is going to do looks good at times going forward but offers no creativity for me

My view about what went wrong is that we still have no genuine pace in the side, we have no wingers still even though we have been needing them for the last two seasons, I said this before we should have gone after Pringle or Burke we have no one that can get past people and get a telling cross in Rotherham did this all night and looked dangerous every time the ball came into Revell.

Until we get pace and width this team is going nowhere, will reserve judgement on the manager until he has time to get his own team together which will be next season now.

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Byram had his chance. Let him sweat it out on bench for a month!

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Some fair comments bardi looks a liabilty for me, keeper great mowatt very good annuci very good, love adyran he has shown he is not just hype and cook is different class. players are there to win this leauge or get promoted but time to win games

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Markdavo

More or less agree with all you said, so no point in writing my own summary. Unfortunately a few players just not on song last night. I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that JP is just not quite strong enough, and I agree we don't seem to have a better option at lb than Warnock. Adryan in for Bianchi suits me fine. Right back is more of a problem - it would be Sam automatically if he could recapture his form/desire - but I don't have a problem with Berardi. Up front is a dilemma, Antenucci plus whoever - Billy is the hungrier, Doukara more skilful when on form. A couple more youngsters seem ready, but that's just not going to happen yet with Darko

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Darko won't be here next season and why does he need time to make own team, if I was darko I would use redders team it seemed to be doing very well. if it ain't broke why fix it espcaily when you ain't fixed it but made it worse. a lot worse. DARKO OUT DARKO OUT. why accpect less than the best is leeds not worth that?

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17 Oct 2014 23:20:17
I said it before and got shouted down by the "give him time" brigade, Darko is setting his team in a defensive fashion. He will get time from me when he learns that keeping it tight will only get you so far, eventually you must score more than the opposition

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Yes Notts, we have finally got to the stage where we don't look like conceding bucket loads. Unfortunately we haven't found out to score many yet

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Havent been impressed with douk last two games. Bit light weight up front on bench too! Prolific goalscorer is priority. Sharp or morri. Not good enough. We got any youngsters worth a go?

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We did concede 2 goals tonight guys!

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Under redders conceded 2 in 4
Under milanic conceded 5 in 4
Darko should be given a fair crack has I believed the first manager should of but if you find a winning formula why change it.
This is bad decissio from the top imo hasgivingthe job to the first manager was

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No point having a goalscorer when you play this style of football, shearer linaker pele would struggle to score when all we do is play at the back with no withd pentertration or empahsis. so P@@ed off right now. MC get it right and bring in the right manager someone who will get points and results against better teams not lose or draw to weaker teams. someone like redders to be fair

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17 Oct 2014 23:00:53
442 anyone!! Lol

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17 Oct 2014 22:56:41
Ed we lacked tonite what rotherham had in bucket loads desire and fight we now look pretty on the ball when we get it right but u need steel in this league and need to have that killer instinct when we go one up nt sit back and invite 4hem on to us rant over on to next game!! Lol mot

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{Ed013's Note - I agree mate}

Agree Peterborough

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Apart from speed and strach days. We have always sat back and corner hugged the ball when winning. We are not good enough to play keep ball. It infuriates me when we do that. Best way to defend is to???

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Agree all, so annoying and what annoys me more is when fans say. hang on we played neat tidy stuff. NO I WANT UGLY ENGLISH FOOTBALL! anything that wins points. That said didn't we play well under redders and win? MC have a word

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You are (mostly) right BW. For the first time in years we are playing great football, but that alone is not going to be enough. It is getting frustrating to keep getting a draw or beaten by teams we are clearly a class above

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17 Oct 2014 22:45:12
Gutted!! But again we invite pressure on to us adrana looked promising but depends if he can live with championship pace and hardness we are getting there withnew style of playing but need to kill games off quicker and be ruthless insteaed of toothless! let's hope results go our way tmrw

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17 Oct 2014 23:02:09
I think the lad will frustrate the hell out of teams - happy with what I saw tonight from him. As for the rest of the performance: Passing is good if it builds up to something passing it round the 'diamond' gets broken down and a pressing team will do us over! Switch - 442 and give the likes of Austin more freedom - one goes up and one drops back to cover - keeps them guessing and breaks up their formation when they are trying to do a job on one of ours! That's just my opinion!

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Dont think formation is problem its game plan ours is inneffective european and toothless need to be more direct 1st half 70% of ball one shot on target that's bad game plan

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Well def hit the nail on the head with shots on Target BW. Only 4 last night. Got to make sense that more shots on target = more goals, and I wouldn't mind betting we have lowest shots on target in the league

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Good point speedy maybe under darko but bet our shots on target under redders was amoungst higest in the league again shows what difference the main coach can make

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17 Oct 2014 22:42:31
Seemed so good just a few weeks ago.
Now 2 points from a possible 12.
Norwich and Wolves up next.
Leeds fans demand top 10 by xmas to put us in with a chance of having something to shout about.
Which players got the swagger to take us back to being the great LUFC I remember?
Which coach, manager, top bloke wants to take us there?
No desrespect but millwall, watford, brighton, brentford, rotherham.
Groan!
Just some of the ramblings of a mad man.
Submit!

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Nothing mad there makes sense. mc has got the players and some great youth as well furture is bright got players now just need the next sgt wilko

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17 Oct 2014 22:40:25
someone get this message to MC I will manage leeds, I am cheap, I would of got a better result than Darko did tonight, I know the league and know football and know how to get results. I will even put on a fake itialian accent if that helps? if not me then who should egt the job as darko is dead man walking as he will never be successful in this league

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BW
I'm not scared your full of rubbish mate, you would not give hock the chance and wanted him out from day 1.
You got your wish for a coach with experience (which you applauded a month ago) and you want him out after 4 games??
Give the coach a chance to stamp his football on the team, if he's no better after Xmas then shout darko out.

Whether right or wrong after 4 games those comments are pathetic mate.

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Strachan as a player was immence at ER and he had fire in his belly and fought hard for the right to be top dog and we were!
Maybe redders has it in him? but we do need someone to stir things up proper😔😈

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17 Oct 2014 23:00:46
Darko has a worse record than the Hock after 4 games. Enuf said.

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Didntwant tomentionhis name scoops!

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Crazy to call for Darkos head imo. (Does anyone really think that Redders would have kept on winning every game? ) Darko gets until Christmas from me. Those making most criticisms are the ones with too high expectations for this season. Set your sights on top 10 and I think we will get there. We are getting very good at passing game - agree it needs to be quicker, and more forward. Defence was shaky at times tonight, I even thought Marco could have done better for their first goal. Bottom line is we are not creating enough chances, We dominated first half and should have killed off game when we had all the possession. Not really going to criticise the selections, and agree with a lot of what BW says (apart from getting rid of Darko). We are proving we can be skilful and pretty . Need to learn how to be be more hungry and ruthless. But amongst all the negatives, their goalkeeper made 2 class saves and we could have won the game nevertheless. I know we have said that in other games, but it surely will get better. Just a poor second half performance tonight, and we did get to see a few classy touches from wonder boy. let's see what happens if he's allowed to start a game - and see what lessons Darko learns from tonight

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Not full of rubbish really. When I said hock out I got stick then after a while everyone saw what I saw and we all wanted hock out. he was a joke his team was a joke. Then redders come in and we were playing like champs and our results where promotion results (although only a few games) darko come in I did not applud I said give him chance. Darko is not a bad manager, his team is not a joke. But his style is so bad for our league and so innfecctive and unsuited. To go from redders results to darko's is unnaccectpable I don't think anyone can argue with that. Redders style worked darko's sadly dont. if darko don't change style we will keep playing nice but loseing to weaker teams. I don't want that and maybe I can see it quicker than you andy maybe your secretly mc and defending all of mc's poor descision regarrding managers. Patters of play never change styles either work or dont. Darko out he is not bad not a joke (like HOCK ARGGGHH) but he is not right for english football, he should go back to continent where I am sure he will win things but never win anything (not even a game at this rate). what part of that statment is rubbish andy? you can't fault my logic sadly. so DARKO out redders back please call me mental but I prefer it when leeds win

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BW
MC has made 2 bad signings in the coaches he has selected but how can you give a coach 4 matches then shout for his head??
This league needs a coach who knows the league or is given time to get to know the league.
If we sack coaches after a month we don't have a prayer of ANY stability.
Like I said with the hock/darko and ANY coach who gets the job they deserve 3 months minimum to show what they can do.
Wasn't Fergie (wash my mouth out) 20 mins away from the sack after repeated POOR performances and no silverware!!

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Coaches need time if players are bad, results are unlucky or there are circumstances not when his style of play is just not right for league. redders come in and won three drew one, ok that run would not of last forever but ask yourself this andy with redders would we of done better in last four games? on form and what redders team did you have to say yes, so why have a manager who can't get results when you can have a manager who can, redders results mean we have great team or redders is a god, darko results show we have a poor team or darko is not right. the fact they are the same players don't add up, why give one man time when it ain't working when the other man got it right straight away. why waste another year. who has more chance of getting us up this year? redders or darko? I would go for that man and not waste time on the other. maybe I am crazy but I judge on results one man got them the other has not (and redders had the harder fixtures). what part of this logic is wrong andy?

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{Ed001's Note - coaches always need time, no matter how good the players. Managers are different.}

Also I don't give them 4 matches and shout for head. I didn't with grayson, I didn't with mcdermot, I didn't with warnock I think they all did best they could with team they had. Hock and Darko have not done that and I can see why and it is a long term problem no time will fix. unless darko comes up with good plan b I will carry on shouting for his head as I have seen someone better for the team this year redders (whoes head I did not call for)

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Ed01 if coaches always need time how comes redders got 10 points from 12? he didn't need time but had same players as darko's 2 points from 12. Is redders some kind of super coach as he didn't need what you just said all coaches need. 10 points form 12 is pomotion material 2 points from 12 is reliagtion material with same squad seems very easy choice for me. thanks darko but no thanks

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{Ed001's Note - that is management not coaching.}

BW
If, and when, Redders gets the job. Are you going to be calling for him to be sacked after 4 games if things don't go well? I assume the answer is yes!

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No redders won't lose four games, don't get me wrong if we lose close games to nowrich, forest, cardiff and other good teams fair enough. even if we fall apart one game that happens, what I will never stand for is watching two sperate games and seeing the same problem. if I can see a bad pattern and the coach can't he needs to go and the fact that the problem is his pattern and style of play makes me lose sleep. did you see me call for mcdermot, warnock or graysons head? no I never did just this team is good and needs a coach. This is a fact this team with right coach would get us promotion. maybe younger leeds fans accpect crap or medioca displays. I am old school and will not you have to be good enough for leeds or go. darko and hockaday are not good enough the others were and I have left them be

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BW
I agree I would have given Redders a chance as he deserved it but calling for someones head after 4 matches is pathetic.
ALL the people on this site wanted a coach with experience and that's what youve got. Everyone was happy with his stats and really excited, how they forget what they posted after a month!!!!

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17 Oct 2014 22:28:55
Totally frustrated with losing games that we could have won. Get ourselves in front & then invite teams on to us. When will we ever learn that backing off & letting teams shoot is a recipe for disaster. Adryan looked good to be fair but still gutted, out scrapped by Rotherham ffs but still Leeds forever

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Is it fair to say we aren't closing teams down quickly enough then degsy?

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{Ed013's Note - That is correct. One thing is for sure, if Redders was in charge tonight the team would have grafted more and closed down whilst doing the basics right}

Thanks for clearing that one up for me ed👍

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{Ed013's Note - Its very frustrating Trev when you can see the potential is there, but not being used correctly}

Do you think redders has distanced himself from darko ed? not being in the dug out I mean. It would make some kinda sense if you get my drift

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{Ed013's Note - He is gutted not to get the job, but loves the academy so he is putting his time and effort back into that. It is a possibility that he doesn't want to be around the first team due to being disappointed that he isn't in Darko's seat. I am only speculating, but I do know 100% that Redders wanted the job}

Wow that's news to me ed!
Thought he was just happy to be helping out it good to know he feels so strongly bout it because that's the kind of emotion that needs pumping back in to this club. Happy he's still with us

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{Ed013's Note - I just hope no one poaches him as I strongly believe Cellino has to give him a go next time}

Second that ed. I said give 12 weeks to the first man and see how he does. 12 weeks is up and its been a rollercoaster as expected. I prefer the ups and yer man who took us there is waiting in the wings. Fire in his belly 🎃

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{Ed013's Note - I just hope Cellino settles down with a settled man on the sidelines. Leeds need a settled coach and if it isn't Darko, it has to be Redders}

Heres a question how long does darko get according to mc track record?

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If redders gets job by xmas and we are not too far off pace he will get us in playoff's. we have the players and can get the results is redders our next sgt wilko? darko certainly is not

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Trev
ANY coach deserves 3 months IMO

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I agree we need a settled coach but it can't be darko surely? look at points gained. anyone who mentions pretty football misses point it is all about results redders got them in a quick space of time darko ain't that makes one man the stand out person for the job doesn't it? if not can someone point out why not because I don't understand

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Totally agree Andy. 3 months is not long, but its fair. Anything less is crazy imo. It's not like we have a team of world-beaters at ER - but we do have a team capable of doing better than thyy are atm

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Maybe we should bring hockaday back as he didn't get fair crack of the whip? what part of this do some leeds fans not get, some problems are short term and need time some problems are deep routed and will never fix. Hockaday was joke so that is bit different. Darko is not suited to this team. Wednesday and rotherham robbed us. Think of it this way how will other teams feel about playing us under darko. probably rubbing hands together how did they feel about playing us under wilko probably bit more worried. that says it all

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17 Oct 2014 22:03:26
Keep the faith. Some good signs tonight. I think the passing game we are trying to play will pay dividends in the long run. They just have to remember to do it for the full ninety minutes.
Adryan looks good
Think tonight desire triumphed over ability.
PS Doukara has the touch of an elephant. imo

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Right about doukara wrong about everything else. let's not keep the faith darko out. redders had a team getting promotion results darko took same team on relegation run. the system and game plan will not work in this league. meaning we will lose to teams that are not as good. redders had us beating teams that are better. DARKO OUT

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A calm and measured response as always BW.

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Give the man time, we played some lovely stuff and we should have had the game buried by HT. Keep the faith

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At this stage of the season good signs aren't enough anymore. Milanic has had 2 weeks to work with the team and that's what they come out with. However Adryan looked good and should start next game.

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This is why the man should not get time, the players are good enough but his style of play does not work in this league. might be great in different league but not this and no time will change that. beaten by a poorer team and this will happen. our players are bedded now (redders proved that) our players are very good (redders proved that) so why we lose? we play too slow too deep and too tippy tappy 70% of ball yet one shot on tagert in 1st half. I think darko might be good manager but not in champsionship and time sadly will not change that. sorry darko is not rubbish but is not right he has to go. like with hockaday in time you will all agree. football is patterns and patterns do not change

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Also worrying comment made by commentator. darko said " at strum we was under pressure to win so I had to change my style of play to get wins" does that not mean his style is not good enough. I understand having a plan b but not because you know plan a is bit rubbish. come on people see sense darko out losing to rotherham with better team is not good enough. not becuase of the result but becuase of the nature of result and due to style of play. we will be the prettiest and most stylish team to get beat every week. win ugly or lose pretty I know what I would pick. bring back redders for few games we need the points

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Yes knocked the ball about well in the!st half, but goals win games. Like to see Adryn given a go from the start.

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17 Oct 2014 22:02:55
Why o why did we not resort to kicking lumps out of them. They bullied all game long and nobody other than Berardi put a bloody foot on the ankle of one of their players. If were struggling to get a grip, get a bloody shin pad! Shocking second half display. We looked superb first 45

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Sorry I don't think we did look good 1st half. to be good yiou need lots of goals or lots of saves, great blocks or hit woodwork. we did all this pretty passing had lots of ball but did nothing other than goal, any supurb team would of been 4-0 up or at least forced a save there keeper did nothing that makes poor football imo

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17 Oct 2014 21:58:18
should have had that won in the first half. Had the ball for 30 minutes and did very little with it apart from the goal and 20 yard shots. Second half sad

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17 Oct 2014 21:58:11
Been at the game tonight. Controlled the first half. Had a terrible start to the second. We hardly touched the ball for 10 minutes. What did he say to them at half time? Great day out, crap trip home. Roll on next week!

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17 Oct 2014 21:56:04
NeVer been so frustrated in my life watching a game,
Not sure what our tactics or game plan are
But we spend so much time passing the ball sideways
And backwards that it gives the opposition time to get back and regroup everytime, we have no width, no pace, on the odd occasion we do attack there is never anyone in the box, I am all for giving new players time but I am really struggling to see what doukara brings to the team, has the touch of a Sunday league player at best. not sure where we go from here but tonight was like Bradford all over again.

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Totally agree Dave. We seem to have taken a step back since milanic came in. How can the same set of players play so positively under redders and not perform for the current coach. We're playing like we did under McDermott and hockaday. So frustrated with tonight's performance.

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Two great posts agree %100. Although I do think we have these qualities just not showing it, we were playing great a few games back you don't become a bad team over night. well unless darko takes over and messes everything up

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17 Oct 2014 21:55:04
They came out second half and had our pants down - we need to counter their counter in order to counter their attempt to counter our game plan. Easy!

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17 Oct 2014 21:49:08
Well, there we are. Beaten by a bigger, fitter, faster, stronger and more tenacious team who wanted it more, aided and abetted by some suicidal defending. Perhaps this will quell some of the gushing optimism some posters on here have been expressing in recent weeks, and temper the situation with a bit of realism.
Doukara was a passenger and wanted a firework up his backside. Mowatt and Cook did quite well but never imposed any authority in midfield, and the back four seemed to think sidewards and backwards was the way to go. Can nobody actually coach them to be more positive and go FORWARDS?? The usual suspects (Warnock, Pierce and Bellusci) looked like they were strangers to one another. And when is Darko, or Redders, or the ER cat going to tell the team to STOP GIVING THE BALL AWAY all the time???? Adryan needs to play every game now. Four out of ten and "See Me" on their homework.

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We controlled the first half. We just blew it with a really crap start to the second. Looked like poor tactics to me. And the defence? Apart from some comedy stuff at the end they did well. The problem we have is we don't move the ball quickly enough through the midfield.

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17 Oct 2014 21:45:41
Ref needs a reality check. Adryan booked for rightfully having a moan at a poor decision but nothing for an illegal rugby tackle on rudi Austin? Shocking! Where's the consistency? Having said that our shape was shocking and probably deserved to lose based on our defensive ineptness

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Still can't get my head around why no yellow card for Pringle judo-throwing Austin…. what on earth was that about??

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{Ed003's Note - Have to agree with that Mark I was astounded.}

And why no free kick for the elbow to Pearce face? I know it was accidental but in light of the head/face injury rules surely that's worth stopping? All in all not impressed with the referee but also not impressed with our defence.

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17 Oct 2014 21:45:07
So we been banging on about adryan for weeks, Rotherham bring on a player who they signed from Oldham and scores with his first touch. Yet again we capitulate under the pressure in a derby. Something has to change here, it's the same season in season out.

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17 Oct 2014 22:02:55
Disappointing 2nd half, stupid defensive errors. On a positive I think Adryan has announced his arrival for 1st team selection next game and another solid performance by young Cook.

MOT

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Lady luck isn't with us at the moment, against Wednesday and tonight both keepers have been on top form.
We just don't seem to get the breaks, we didn't play too well for the last 30 mins but still had chances to get a result.

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17 Oct 2014 21:42:37
Really does feel like we're constantly taking one step forward and one step back this season. Frustrating isn't the word. Games in which we've gone down to 10 men in aside we could have got points from every game if a few things had gone out way. We'll get there. I hope.

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17 Oct 2014 21:16:43
Liking what I have seen of adryan so far bring us back in it lad!

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17 Oct 2014 21:14:01
Opponent again looked fitter stronger quicker and hungrier

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17 Oct 2014 21:13:19
So. Who will be our next coach to replace darko . He obviously will be out the door soon.

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Darko out bring back hockaday

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Shocking performance second half.
The international break was meant to help it looks like we have gone backwards. The only bright point was seeing Adyran.
Defensively awful.

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And mowatt and cook both promising. mowatt good very good maybe cook is great future england great. also aunnci had nothing but put one chance away I really like him. players are there

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17 Oct 2014 19:10:29
Could only happen at Leeds. Adryan named to start, his shirt hung up to start, he's named in team to start and then dropped to bench. Weird. Anyway still a good team, and let's have a win!!

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17 Oct 2014 16:52:32
Ok, just had this idea that's so brilliant I almost amazed myself. Even BW might agree - where has he disappeared to by the way? (No Ausman I've not locked him in my cellar)
Anyway: since we now have a squad of like 100 players, and most of under 21's are amazing - we form another team in Leeds (Real Leeds perhaps, or Leeds City or whatever). Share the ground, share the players, Darko coaches one team, Redders the other. Home game every week. Sorted!

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Sorry Speedy did reply a while back but lots of my posts not getting through for some reason? to be honest your idea while might be good is not really helpful to me being over 200 miles away. and been very busy with work so not been about which is not good as I hate work

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17 Oct 2014 09:21:57
Looking forward to tonights game, hope Darko has found the right mix of players during the international break. Also looking forward to an appearance by Adryan however brief, just to see if the hype is correct and he has some great feet.

Predict a win for us 2-1 with Antenucci bagging the winner.

Then on to Tuesday and a hard fought point off the birdies.

MOT

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Darko has found perfect way to make the best team lose and make the team with better players in every position look inept and ineffective. would we of lost under redders not a chance, same goes for our result against wednesday

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