Leeds Banter Archive January 19 2015

 

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19 Jan 2015 22:25:16
So I read up on the FL official criteria for what leads to a disqualification in ownership. what I'm now wondering is can we take the FL to court because I know over 50% of the members have failed the fit and proper persons test.

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{Ed003's Note - how have they Surrey ? }

Well Surrey I am sure you may be right but before you consider taking anybody to court you need to be sure of the facts and that's an awfully big organisation to go up against with a hell of a lot of money and access to top legal people. I think Cellino is doing the right thing by standing down and serving is punishment. They only thing I would advise him to do is to pay the other outstanding fine on the yatch Lucky 23 and then he won't have to go through all this again. The FL will be rubbing their hands together if the have another chance to get rid of him for good.

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I'm going to go with corruption as my disqualifying condition ed!

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{Ed003's Note - Alledgely(sp) }

19 Jan 2015 22:22:27
We have a lot of people on this site against Cellino saying he's bad for the club & only wants to be here to satisfy his massive ego which is fair enough everyone is entitled to their opinion, but what happens if he wakes up tomorrow morning & says you know what I've had enough of this, I'm going to cut my losses & sail around the world on my yacht.
After all he's not a Leeds fan.
We need to get behind this man & give him our full support.
Yes it would be great if Red Bull come in & plough loads of corporate money in but they aren't.
Whatever reasons Cellino had for wanting to own us in the first place we may never know but he's put his money where his mouth is & I for one want to thank him for that.

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I agree with you danum except I think he is a leeds fan now. He bought our club because of the fans and the tradition. he won't walk away from the fight but he needs our backing now. He is wounded by the FL but he will come back stronger. All his time he served in Italy was an apprenticeship to take on our club. He inherited a lot of dross and mismanagement. He has made hard and sometimes unpopular decisions to get the club on a more even keel. He took our club on when seemingly no-one else wanted it. Give him the chance to restore our club. Don't let the FL win by dividing us with infighting and bickering. Its a time of showing solidarity and support.

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19 Jan 2015 22:01:09
Dakoura, Sloth, Bianchi, all said they wanted to leave if the appeal was nit overturned, can understand why the likes of Murphy and Morison are back in, also why Redfearn is putting his faith in the youngsters.

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Yes Andy
Lots going on in the background that we will never know about

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20 Jan 2015 08:30:05
Would they be missed if they left? Numbers wise yes, performance wise probably not (altho is be happy for Sloth to be given more opportunities)
Never a dull moment being a Leeds fan eh! Think only Rangers involved in a bigger carry on than us in Britain!

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As a club we should stick together the fl have had it for Leeds for years now I think even if God had taken us over they would have found some way to stop him owning us. We are in a dog fight to stay up but I think we will do it.

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Agent of Sloth rejects this claim, stating that Sloth is happy here and wants to play for Leeds. Also says that Sloth hasn't produced his best yet

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Think MC was very unwise to disclose that yesterday, but he was under a lot of pressure and he does have a habit of speaking first and thinking later

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19 Jan 2015 21:27:35
Ok let's bring on red bull cellino as major share holder with cellino and they run it together once he's clear of all charges including those awaiting? Just a thought and are the fa going to chase up birmingham, blackpool chairman for abusive tweets and answer this fa why was he on board anyway doesn't he have conflicting intrests with blackpool and us in relegation area?!! What a joke!

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{Ed003's Note - Oyston is being investigated and Birmingham are also under investigation.}

19 Jan 2015 20:50:17
I don't see where the FL can say that Leeds United will face a misconduct charge for not providing information on a directors "personal" tax avoidance judgement! why would the club possess such information? Are the FL so stupid as to presume let's say that Richard Branson was charged with not paying a speeding fine and convicted (pending appeal) Virgin PLC would have a copy of the judgement on file. sorry just realised I used FL and stupid in that question how dumb am I?

Lats say Massimo takes the moral high ground and takes the ban, what happens when his next 2 cases come to court and the outcome is the same What then for his suitability and ownership bet the FL Lawyers are already rubbing their hands and have the papers prepared for serving

Can see this whole case rolling through the courts for a long long time question is who has the biggest bank balance and who's lawyers will blink first

It wouldn't be Leeds without the drama MOT

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In my job at sea, we also must be a "fit and proper person". but one guy has done ten years for murder and he still works on the same ship as me and also got a security pass despite a police check! All this is sheer nastiness and vindictiveness from the egotistical FL. a bunch of nobodys who have a bit of power and want to use it. Sad pathetic losers all of them.

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The FL will bring those charges tactically, so they keep hamstringing the club and keep them down.

Come April 09, we will have heard about the "further charges" and the whole scenario starts again.

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I think the FL will keep fairly quiet as long as we keep losing. But we are in for big trouble if we start to improve. And imagine at the end of the season if we are 9 points clear of relegation. How many will they deduct? Or if we are 14 points clear? Or 19 points. You get the idea

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19 Jan 2015 20:48:53
The Football League board have voted against Cellino and they all voted against him being fit and proper.
One of those muppets is Karl Oyston who made those horrendous texts to one the Blackpool fans!
He is obviously far from being fit and proper
Let's start a campaign to have him removed from the board and put some focus on the football league and their ineptitude and them being a bunch of hypocrites

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19 Jan 2015 20:30:34
Cellino obviously does not know much about our history. Surprised and disappointed? Yeah right. How about expected and apathetic. It is the FL and Leeds United doing battle here.

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19 Jan 2015 20:26:23
Pretty sure we'll come out of this fine. I can see us signing Bamba for sure. I can see us signing Cani as well although I would massively prefer Pavoletti. Not sure we'll sign anyone else but we'll see.

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19 Jan 2015 19:34:25
So Cellino lost the case, however he won't go or sell for two reasons.

1) He is passionate about Leeds
2) He is a Businessman and has spent a lot on Leeds buying us and clearing the debts. (x + y = £z) So he won't sell unless he can achieve >£z which won't be achieved in the championship

Why would you sell and make a loss, I am sure part of the legal discussions are around if the FL force him to sell can he come after the FL for the amount he loses out on.

Cellino to stay, I would love to see a full ER chanting Cellino

MoT

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19 Jan 2015 19:21:56
Ok, so just in case Cellino goes, I've compiled a list of millionaire individuals and companies who could afford to buy and run a football club. I've restricted it to those who are squeaky clean and have no skeletons in their cupboards. They have also paid every penny of tax, VAT etc that has been due.
Here is the list :

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I'd like to miss those companies and people you missed:



Leeds4alongtime

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19 Jan 2015 20:33:51
Here is my list. I typed it in a visible indelible font.





Signed George

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19 Jan 2015 19:14:59
Ed another sad day in the recent past of LUFC. Just hope this unites and spurs the players on to avoid relegation unless of course the FL decide to deduct us points? Just hope we don't go into liquidation with no one running the club until April 10th at the earliest MOT

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19 Jan 2015 20:19:33
I can't see why we should immediately go bankrupt or into liquidation?

Okay, Celino can't have any major say in the company any more, but nobody has said he has to sell or give away his shares in Leeds United (yet?)

If the League think they have him beat they are very stupid, unless they are going to try and take over the club and sell it on 'his behalf'?

That would be a very stupid move, and one which would bring down the full force of the law on Celino's side.

The worse scenario, however, is the league banning Leeds United from playing (or even partaking) in the league, something totally unprecedented, but surely even they wouldn't do that whilst claiming they will do whatever they can to 'help' Leeds?

Lets just wait for Harvey and Co to stick the knife in.

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19 Jan 2015 17:47:02
I for one hope Cellino stays & eventually succeeds in getting us into the premier league.
I obviously don't know him but he comes across as someone who wants the best for Leeds United and it's fans, which is more than can be said for some previous owners.
I would really love to see the day when our captain is presented with FL championship trophy on the pitch at Elland Road & Cellino takes it off him, gives it back to the FL chairman & tells him to shove it where the sun don't shine! because we ain't coming back!

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We can dream the dream, we have lived through Ridsdale, Bates and GFH, some of us have been around since Revie, we have also outstayed Clough and Venables, we will outlive this too.

Hopefully Cellino will be around for a while yet, whether it is in the background or whatever, he is still the owner of Leeds United and I for one would rather have him there than anyone else we have had to endure over the past twenty years or so!

Keep the faith - MOT!

Leeds4alongtime

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Me too Leeds4
My days go back to Revie, and to my memory (which isn't perfect) there are not many(if any) I'd choose above Cellino

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19 Jan 2015 17:04:29
Like it or not, I think MC will go - sooner rather than later. He must now realise the FL will never leave him alone and that they must be rubbing their hands about his other pending court cases. Because I think he genuinely loves the club, he will know that he can't do us any good in the long term by staying. And in any case, why should he bother putting up with all this bs. I just hope and pray that someone of the likes of Red Bull come along, because I'm very worried that the ties with KB and GFH have never been severed

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Well Speedy if you look at the mans history it says this- he loves a fight so in many ways I think he will come back for more as it is in his DNA.

In Italy he had many long fights with council, their league and stayed 20 years so his history says he will stay as he is a proud man to just go I believe.

sure he will be down tonight like last time league said he could not buy us but the man will bounce back in the next few days, very predictable like that he is.

Now whether him staying is good for Leeds is another matter as team ain't won since the league started this latest stuff against him, he also pointed this out but his ego won't allow him to go in my opinion

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I'd rather have a half crazy (and dishonest) guy like Celino in charge at Leeds (however remote) than a totally sane Bates, any day.

Seems strange, the honest one (Bates) spent most of the time taking money out of the club, whereas the dishonest one has done nothing other than put money in?

Seems like the League have a different view of 'fit and proper' to most of us?

But then with Shaun Harvey in charge, what would they know about 'fit and proper' How many clubs is it that he has helped into liquidation now?

Leeds4alongtime

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19 Jan 2015 16:14:40
I do not think it is unreasonable to issue banning notices to all members of the FL Board from entering any premises known as Leeds United with the exception of the toilets in the west stand (entrance 6) with the overflowing urinals. Come to think about it, they could be used as a convenient waiting room for the FL Board should they wish to issue a appeal to the bannig order.

I know it is drivel, but who cares!

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19 Jan 2015 16:12:34
They've run out of champagne in the bar where Ken and Shaun are drinking

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Cancel That. They couldn't manage to organise the **** up between them!

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Sooner or later they will drinking in the last chance saloon!

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19 Jan 2015 15:58:31
Anyway roll on tomorrow.
Last chance for a while for Cellino to pick a winning team!
Sorry I mean last time for a while for Redfern to pick a winning team for Cellino!
Does anyone really think it will make any difference wether Massimo is "officially" in charge or not?

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19 Jan 2015 15:44:34
I can't say I'm surprised by today's ruling from the FL in fact it was inevitable. Having lost face with Massimo's appeal they weren't going to let a chance go to nail him and LUFC in one fell swoop.

Massimo Cellino has been a mixed blessing for us, on one hand he's ploughed in a lot of money to wipe out the debts incurred by Bates/GFH, on the other he's brought bad publicity to a club that doesn't need any more and his running of the football side of the club is clearly not working.

I just hope MC has a long hard think about where the club is going under his leadership because there are other cases he has to answer and that will drag the club's name through the mire again. Personally, I hope he decides to sell to someone less controversial (not Bates or GFH please) so we can move forward with some kind of stability.

I appreciate the good things he has done for the club, but this is outweighed by the bad publicity and his stubbornness on the football side of the business. Ultimately, it's his decision but I hope he thinks of the long term best interests of the club.
MOT Speedo4eva.

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You are probably right Speedy. Maybe it was an inevitable consequence of having an owner who was passionate about football and loved the club. Maybe we will be better off reverting to owners who are only interested in lining their own pockets :(

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19 Jan 2015 17:52:58
Speedo -agreed, being passionate, as are most LUFC supporters, and having football mangement skills is a very different thing. I hope for the day when massivego finally accepts that his management skills are sadly lacking!

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19 Jan 2015 14:41:25
What I find absolutely absurd is that all of this is because Cellino failed to pay tax on his yacht. Does that mean he's not fit to run a football club? No! It's not like he's been racist or anything or has proven history of running over clubs to the ground.

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I know. They are like spoilt little brats who have to have their own way. I'm very surprised though that this gets through under legal scrutiny . Can he appeal to a proper court?

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I have no idea. I also don't see why they've gone through all this effort when he can resume in April, according to social media he argued that he should of been disqualified for 0 days due to the way the conviction reflects in Italian court.

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Just read the statement on the o/s and the worrying part is right at the end where it says "In addition, a further misconduct charge against Mr. Cellino and the Club for failing to supply the Italian Court judgment to The Football League when it first became available will be heard in due course" - could this be a points deduction to further p**s on our chips?

MM

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Yes MM. Already posted that. Definitely looking for a way to deduct points

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I would also be surprised if every single club owner in England has paid import tax on every single one of their cars, yachts, etc.

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I cannot understand how the League could 'legally' deduct points from Leeds United because of something Celino has done in his private life.

Oh, sorry scrub that, I forgot the league can make up rules as they go along and deduct teams 15 points for breaking them before they are in place as we already know.

You can just see it coming, can't you, Leeds avoid relegation but get points deducted and get relegated.

. same old, same old.

Leeds4alongtime

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19 Jan 2015 14:08:42
I can see us making 4 signings in the 48hrs Cellino has to relinquish control. That way he stays in control of the element of the business.

This may be a blessing in disguise, a good game tomorrow then a good 10 days before the next one to give the side chance to get their heads together.

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Might sneak Cani in but this will surely ruin any chances of making signings. FL don't wanna see us go up as were their crown jewell.

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19 Jan 2015 14:02:55
So they've banned him. But then they have realised that they effect of doing that may not actually be as harmful to the club as they want, so now they have concocted another disciplinary hearing about withholding the Italian judges decision. I'm sure that will make them want to deduct points. Shall we say 15 or 20?
Who is more corrupt MC or FL?

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Speedy, its the same old from the FL,
They can't be seen to lose face even if its petty, they obviously have an on going agenda against MC and Leeds Utd, the latter one going back 40 odd years.

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19 Jan 2015 14:38:34
You forgot the pending disciplinary hearing the FL are bound to convene against us the charge being breathing.

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19 Jan 2015 12:52:38
It wouldn't surprise me if MC walked away from LUFC now that the FL have shafted him (and ultimately us).

Can't blame him though. FL are never going to be fair to LUFC, so why would you want to own them?

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Agree. I would if I were him. And further punishment, most likely a points deduction, coming for withholding court judgement

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I think mc is stubborn and will almost enjoy the fight and winning in an outside and unbaised court again. think he will win and sooner or later things will pick up at E R

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19 Jan 2015 14:10:32
Hi ed, now they have there way again, is there any other punishment the club can look forward to, like points deducted or will it be against cellino himself, because there is one thing that is for sure they have not done with him.

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{Ed003's Note - Not sure Pick.}

19 Jan 2015 12:14:48
Cellino loses his appeal!!. what next for our club!

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