Leeds Banter Archive September 19 2012

 

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19 Sep 2012 22:56:05
cRcj89 I value the article post.Really looking forward to read more. Great.

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19 Sep 2012 22:01:14
What I don't get is why do people say take over is done when there is no official announcement even the head of the trust says he doesn't know

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19 Sep 2012 21:45:34
cmon lads lets get behind the boys to early to start moaing we got nearly a brand new team !!! cmon u whites !!!!!!! nickybee

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19 Sep 2012 20:56:33
Heard tonight that the takeover has bin signed over today around teatime.. not sure about the reliability of this but it seems t be going round other forums aswell.. nothing bin confirmed on os yet tho.. Maybe we should await an announcement before we get carried away. Nw given go ahead to increase numbers at ER and then nice kitty to get perm signings in Jan..

lufcfan

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19 Sep 2012 20:49:29
The deal was NOT signed and sealed at 5:20 today and is still another couple of weeks away.

Source: Ben Jacobs (Middle East journalist)

As long as its completed before January 1st i'm not bothered.

-MS

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Ben Jacobs -
"It remains rumour I'm afraid at the moment - no one on the inside has confirmed that to me. Although  what is clear is despite Bates arguing T/O is moving slowly things are doing quite the opposite."

Jacobs doesn't say it definitely didn't get signed tonight just that he didn't have confirmation, plus he doesn't say it will be a couple of weeks, he thinks a decision either way is imminent. But, he's a journalist so how truthful is it.

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And this Ben guys infallible is he,hes like the rest of us,doesnt know Jack s-it till its announced,keep it real.

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Dont listen to a thing that jacobs says he is just an attention seeker every week he seems to contradict himself one minute its happening this day and then the next thing you know he's like its next week now same bull everytime

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19 Sep 2012 20:13:04
Huddersfield winning 2 0 at sheff wed,come home Simon all is forgiven,New start new owners,New manager.

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And Huddersfield, managed by 'Grayson whose teams can't defend', have conceded fewer than half the number of goals that we have.

Going nowhere under Warnock and Bates - and before anyone says I'm joining a bandwagon I posted those very words on this site before the season started.
ML

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What a pair of persons
Look at what Grayson did last season look at the tripe he signed
If your gonna compare records go back further than 6 games before you embarrass yourself
Mark my words we will finish far higher than those dogs will
Russjon

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If you like grayson that much then why dont you go and support huddersfield if not get over it he got the sack that happens in football mangers come and go as far has im concerned he is history anyways we have a better manager at the club already in sg warnock all he needs now is the new owners to come in and give him the funds he needs to get us competing up near the top of the league i would back nw over any manager in this league thats for sure leedsmad!

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"look at what Grayson did last year" got us within touching distance of the playoffs with an average squad? look what Warnock did last year...

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What you seem to be forgetting is that when warnock came in he had to use all the players grayson had signed and alot of them were poor signings i mean who in there right mind would pay anything for pugh especially not the price we were rumoured to have paid stoke for him the list is endless

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Some utter people above. I support my team because it's my team and it's the team I've supported since I was a child. I've been going since 1970 and just because I think Grayson is a better manager that doesn't make me want to support Huddersfield.

Is Warnock a better manager than Ferguson? Surely no person on the planet would suggest he is. So are you all going to support Scum? Of course not.

The fact is that Warnock is an out of date 'route one football' manager who has done a VERY BAD JOB at Leeds. 50% defeat rate. The kind of players he likes, older solid players, are not right for the modern game. His thinking is out of date and the game has caught him up. Did you see us against Hull, Cardiff, Blackpool? Players standing still whilst the opposition passed around us. Embarrassing.

I'm not saying Grayson didn't make mistakes - he did - some bad ones, but he's a modern manager who understands how the game is played in 2012 and, unlike Warnock, he his learning and adapting.

Grayson worked under even worse budget constraints than Warnock with most of his best players sold and he still managed to achieve better results and better league positions. That, unlike most of the tripe on here, is an unarguable FACT!

He's a better manager, end of, and that's why he's looking down from the playoff places at a lower half team.

Like I said - going nowhere under Warnock and Bates. You'll wake up to it eventually.
ML

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Grayson did not sign varney rubble though

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AND - please don't talk to me about Grayson's signings. I'd sooner have Pugh on a football pitch than Reg Varney. Warnock's made loads of signings and we're no better.
ML

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Grayson is a joke as a manager and your a joke for believing that he's a better manager than warnock
You keep mentioning 2-3 games but look at the last. 15 years
I also think you will find that Grayson probably spent nearly as much as warnock has and don't forget we're stuck paying wages for Nunez Rachubka Connolly Pugh rogers Bromby etc and need I mention him signing billy paynter
Give warnock a chance judge him at end of season you muppet
Russjon

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The proof is in the pudding has to who is the better manager facts dont lie take a look at how many promotions warnock has to grayson and surely you cant class him getting huddersfield up last season lee clark did all the hard work and then larry came in near the end of the season so to me that doesnt class as a promotion a bit of advice time to get over the sacking of grayson and stop looking back at what might of been we can say that about nearly every manager we have had

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Russjon - can you explain how it is that Grayson is a joke when he already has three promotions in his first 6 years of management and he's only 42? Name 5 other managers who have achieved that number of promotions in that length of career before that age in the English professional leagues. I'll buy you 5 pints in The White Hart on Saturday if you can do that before 10am this morning.

Grayson isn't a joke, he's a very good young manager. I don't need a season to judge Warnock. I'm 51 next week and have been seeing his management for a very long time now. If he was any good he'd be managing a top team playing Champions League football at this stage in his career, but he's not is he? He's had a bit of success with promotions, a lot of failures with relegations but what I really despise is the way his teams play. It is dreadful to watch, horribly outdated and whilst it will get you out of this league now and again, it's pretty much guaranteed to get you back down within a year or two.

In return for a large amount of my hard-earned I want a long term plan at Elland Road and neither Bates nor Warnock gives me that.

As for transfers, like I said, Grayson made many mistakes. So has Warnock, so has Fergie, so has Wenger, so has Mourinho. I run a successful company but I've lost count of the number of mistakes I've made, some pretty serious. How about you, do you ever make mistakes? That's life.

I'd rather have a young, forward thinking manager making mistakes than a manager who by his own admission, loves the lower leagues because of the old-fashioned style of football.
ML

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Neither manager is a joke. All manager make bad decisions and sign different types of players to play in a different way. Anyway I don't see how you can do a better job without FIFA.

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Agreed - and to be fair to Warnock I accept that he has no chance with his budget. Even Mourinho would struggle to finish top half. That simply proves though what I said on here when Grayson was sacked.

What I find a bit odd was the abuse Grayson was getting, and still does, when he did a very good job with limited resources. I said at the time 'be careful what you wish for' and I think I've been proved right.

Warnock isn't and Grayson wasn't the problem. The problem was always Bates. I believed then and believe still that had Bates invested in January 2010 when we sitting in second place we could have maintained our form. As it turned out, he didn't and the players were exhausted by February. Like Warnock, Grayson had limited backup options, though I think Grayson assembled a better squad, not just first team, than Warnock has done.

What I have also always said about Warnock is that he can get you up but struggles to keep you there. That's OK if you want to do a QPR and offload him but that's not what I want to see at my club. I want to see a long term plan and whilst I'd take success over style I believe you can do both. That's why I'd prefer a Lambert/Rodgers/Adkins/Grayson type of manager who doesn't want to retire in 2013 and who believes in passing football.
ML

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Grayson is a manager who finds his level at every team
Yes everyone makes mistakes but most people try learn from them
My opinion is Grayson doesn't
He may have a good start to this season but he runs out of ideas in the latter stages
He got us out of league 1 but only just and we were by far the best squad in that league
His tactics are poor his substitutions were very odd on many occasions he never berated his players apart from a back door insult to Connelly when he dropped him
Had Kilkenny and Johnson signed new deals he would never had played clayton his hand was forced into playing him
How long did it take him to play McCormack he played painter more
Yes these are mistakes but he continued to make them and I really believe he'd will never get a team out of championship as its too much for him
Warnock is not perfect but you can hold up silly comparisons to mourinho etc as much as you like
You could say warnock is better than redknapp cos he ant got a job but Neil has
See
Daft comparisons count for nothing
We need a manager who can get us out of this league and warnock has proved he can do that
Grayson hasn't

Russjon

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19 Sep 2012 20:12:02
I'm stuck over in the US, rarely able to catch a match on TV or even the radio. I check this website 3-5 times per day, hoping for a bit of good news.

Couldn't get the match yesterday, but I have to say reading all of these posts has me very depressed. Sound miserable - from manager to players to fans - the energy seems to have been sucked out of the club.

We need to change that. For every protest against KB - we should try to have something equivalent but positive for the players. Supporters truly backing the players before and during every game. Isn't it time for "all those with Leeds United to STAND UP?"

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19 Sep 2012 19:08:26
is ken bates the most hated chairman in leeds utd histoy yes or no i for one think he his

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What about the guy that put us in this mess to start with!!

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All the people Agreeing with this statement must be either 12 years old or suffering from acute amnesia.

Does anyone remember the dire, desperate situation that Ridsdale left us in.

Bates is no angel, but I'd take two of him over Ridsdale every day of the week.

You should all hang your heads in shame.

Macca72

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Risdale wanted at least ruined us by trying to be the best team in the world. Ken Bates is ruining us by making us the cr*pest team in the league and has pawned all our season ticket money, which is part of the slippery road to Risdale finances (e.g Risdale needed champions league to keep us afloat - Bates needs so many season ticket sales a year to keep us in the clear)

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Leeds were 70 million in debt when Ridsdale was the boss. that's nothing by today's standards. he pumped money in and the team failed, then everyone panicked and flogged the assets for a fraction of their worth. if the management had been braver back then we might not even be in this situation now.

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Think your the one that needs to hang your head in shame not us for writing a post like that bates should be ashamed of himself for what he's doing to are great club time to go ken ive had enough of been fed lies by you and your puppet harvey leedsmad!

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19 Sep 2012 19:08:47
if bates does sell will ther be any more need for lust [kez1919]

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There never has been a need for them.They are just a couple of disruptive naysayers who are looking for their fifteen minutes of fame.

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There isnt any need for them now, mate, all they have done is antagonize the situation.....

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This sit is not for you Mr Bates keep of it

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I wouldn't call 8,000 people a couple would you? That's almost half the size of the Elland Road crowd which I'd say is pretty representative. Many clubs have a supporters trust. It's a democratic organisation which represents the views of its members. If you don't like LUST's views go along to the meetings and express your own opinions. That's how a mature democracy works. Or do you not understand concepts like democracy?

LUST is the only organisation doing something positive about Bates. What's your contribution?
ML

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Not really a majority though of Leeds fans is it 8000
Wow
They definately dont speak for me and are as embarrassing for the club as bates is
They should make Phil hay honorary chairman cos he guesses most of what he says as well
A pointless group I'm sick of hearing that Gary cooper or whatever he's called
Most Leeds fans feel same about bates we dont need patronising by lust as well
Russjon

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19 Sep 2012 19:01:46
leeeds united lawers sign the deal confirmed a website bates as gone gfh capital now own leeds unted source a website yep leeds united site

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Wot is this about now? u taking the p!? wot site is this on then or r u just tryin t wind this man u fan up

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Forgive my scepticism, but you can't spell Leeds or Lawyers, it makes me feel a bit suspicious regarding your post. What website did you say? Couldn't decipher the message

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You really know your stuff dont you....NOT.
GFH are brokering the deal not buying the club

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Not a leeds fan reporting this then..nice try tho

leedsfanforever

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Total porridge, we will believe it when we see it, and maybe not even then.....

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When exactly did GFH put a bit in for Leeds that would make a good storyline for a soap, brokering a deal for someone only to stab them in the back and do the deal for themselves. Sounds like they should be on Dallas.

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19 Sep 2012 18:53:43
any1 noticed that Becchio is injured (and Sanchez Watt happy to be given the chance to play)...Join the dots??

1968 supporter

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Hope not he was useless in league 1

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19 Sep 2012 18:17:23
please tell me that was not the 8000 members of lust in the south stand last night wot a joke did i say members sorry i ment enders must of been about 80 of them[kez1919]

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Ha ha! Well said.

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I think you'll find the protest was nothing to do with Lust. Made yourself look a right fool haven't you sonny.

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Bates will leave quicker by boycotting so if lust were there then they are just lining bates pocket

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19 Sep 2012 18:11:57
Look! Leeds' team is twice what it was last season, but unfortunately so are most of the other teams as well! Cardiff, Hull, Leicester etc all invested sufficiently this window. We have a starting 11 to challenge anyone in our league in my opinion, but any injuries hit us like a tonne of bricks, as we have no depth. McCormack's absense was noticable last night, and if Varney, Becchio and a few others we're dealt the same blow, I feel we wouldn't beat the weakest sides! This is a tough month for LUFC, so shush about Bates until the international break is over and get behind the squad! thank you
RyanMOT

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I disagree. The team may be more hard working and aggressive etc. but they are not as skillful or attacking as last year. We don't look as good going forward anymore, which is a shame really

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19 Sep 2012 18:10:48
Leeds UNITED? Our fan base definitely isn't! I, like most of you, log in here several times a day just in case there is the slightest sniff of some good news on the horizon. I'm not naive enough to believe anything unless it comes from a credible source, but sometimes the mere suggestion of something positive is enough to get me through a Long day at work.

Recently though these pages seem to be filled with nothing but Leeds supporters tearing into each other over who are the 'real' fans and who aren't. It seems to be dependant on whether you feel you're support is best felt cheering the lads on at the games, or by making a stand and boycotting games.

Which ever group you see yourself in, can we all just agree to disagree! Do what you will but don't let it affect the atmosphere we generate at games. THAT WILL AFFECT THE PLAYERS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT! We can be one of the most formidable twelfth men in English football on our day! Let's not forget it over our own petty differences!

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19 Sep 2012 18:08:48
The one thing that worried me more than anything last night was NW'S body language,he is usually barking orders from the sidelines and getting very animated,last night for just about the entire match he stood at the side of the pitch with his hands in his pockets and barely said a word,he looked like a man who was severely pi..ed off...in contrast Bruce and his number 2 were never out of the fourth officials ear all night....i hope NW isn't beginning to wonder if its all worth his while...anyone else notice ?

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Yep made note of that myself, maybe subdued because chose the wrong starting line up, didn't do his home work against a mobile midfield and tonge, pelts, white, varney, becciho were poor, austin faded after 60 mins. forest will win by 4 on sat unless fresh legs are played.

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Go on then smart arse who else can warnock bring in then most of are players are out injured so go on then what players that arnt playing are better then who neil has picked already

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I'll give you a couple -
Theres a man named Busazky (spelling) good winger at this level
Klasnic - quality striker
Malcolm Christie was quite good attacker and hes not playing.
To be honest Danny Mills would be a better choice in his current state than Peltier and a loan move for Ian Harte wouldn't hurt anyone.

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The same christie that we had before tell me again how many times did he play for us in his first spell

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Harte is playing regulary for reading in the prem so thats not going to happen

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You can pay Klasnic's wages then? and the rest are just never going to happen/ridiculous his SELECTION has nothing to do with players coming in he can only select what we have incase you were not aware of that fact the only selections i could doubt (although i am not naive enough to think i know more about NW) is White was shocking (although who can replace him while Drury is injured) and Varney, Poleon was far better on last nights showing than Varney has all season so i would be tempted to give him a go and i'd also recall Robbie Rodgers he cant be worse than Varney has this season lol.

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19 Sep 2012 18:01:52
The pre match protest was embarrassing last night, it made me laugh walking past and seeing around 250 people stood outside the doors. And we shouldn't have been singing about bated during the game. We always play bad when we sing about him. We should just get behind the lads. By the way Poleon looked dangerous last night and should definitely start in front of Varney. He really isn't a good player Varney.

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As much as you say get behind the lads it will help I agree it will to a point but enough is enough and it's freedom of speech so ppl can do as they please.

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I agree but i do think Varney IS a good player he has been before so there isn't a doubt in my mind that hes not a good player. He just looks like (unfortunately) one of those players that come to ER and cant hack it.

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Yes its freedom of speech. We was 1-0 up and looking far more likely to score than them then the Bates out chants started to surface after the initial Bates out chants started it took them all of 2-3 minutes to change the game into their favour. Oh and did anyone else notice the change in the last 5-10 minutes when fans started actually singing for the team again? But i'm sure some of you will argue that it is just a mere coincidence. I wish the fans that sing Bates out would boycott what is the point in paying money to go watch and supposedly support Leeds just to chant bates out i doubt he can hear you from Monaco. If you want to go to games to support the club do it, and yes that is what i will be doing, if you want to boycott it i understand that too, do it, but dont turn up at the ground and not support us because honestly that is more detrimental to the team than just not showing up at all.

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19 Sep 2012 18:01:38
I understand we are light up front, however we are scoring a good number. Is it just me that people are missing the point here.its a different back 4 and gk, but we are shipping as many goals as last season!something needs to be sorted at the back, why can't we just get that sorted?

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I agree however i do believe that is down to the forward/midfield players too the defence look more solid but are shipping goals as they have too much work to do because we dont keep the ball well to slow the game down when ahead and ease the pressure on the back four/gk

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19 Sep 2012 17:38:26
its like a simon crayson team he putt together useless what a rubbish team we got warnock team more like sunday pub team like my local pub team i play for in beeston leeds

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Thanks for pointing out where beeston is...who is this crayson bloke?..we should take a look at him once Warnock walks

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Would that be Grayson who got us promoted and took us to 7th on a shoestring budget? The same Grayson who's now looking down on us with Udders (6th place as I type)? Also the same Grayson who's already had three promotions in six years of management with no relegations?

I wouldn't mind it if that Grayson came back.
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19 Sep 2012 17:00:15
Whats with all the doom and gloom. 6 games in 7 points.. not bad considering the sides that we have played. If you look at the last 2 years we had 10 points from the first 6 (against weaker teams) and last year we are in the same position. Before everyone starts saying we are in for a slow and painful season, please can we just wait until the 10/15 game mark to write our boys off? Lets be optimistic no matter what hits us! you never know poleon and gray could form a formidable partnership and tear up the division!

L3EDS

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19 Sep 2012 16:19:38
Ross out til December. We must act now in the loan market. It's kinda scripted for Jermaine to return. I can see us paying half his wages for like a 3 month loan deal but do we have the money even for that? Will that be good enough for Leicester?

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Half his wages? That was meant to be a joke I take it?
ML

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Rumored to be on 40k a week at Leicester but can't believe that to be true. Probably more like 30k. So for a 3 month loan we are looking at finding 200k from somewhere. Over to you Bates.

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19 Sep 2012 15:47:51
{Ed013's Note -Hi fellow Leeds Utd fans, I came across this link today http://www.justgiving.com/Noel-whelan for a 16 month old Baby suffering from Cancer. I don't like throwing charities in your faces, but this story really threw me back and for anyone with Children or anyone that is planning Children,I am sure you can feel a small part of what this family is going through. If anyone can give any donation at all then it will go towards saving this poor Child's life. Thanks very much - Editor 13}

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Football is not a matter of life and death, but some things are, i will donate to the website {Ed013's Note - Thanks mate}

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19 Sep 2012 15:03:23
Last night really wound me up, if you don't want to read a rant then stop reading now! Firstly that referee was shocking, how can he stop our attack when their player goes down on the half way line like he's been shot from the stands and then give them possession to give the ball back to us, the chant is true we always do get Sh*t refs! Secondly fair play to Warnock he has had to assemble a squad with next to no money, but some of the players in that starting 11 are shocking, Luke Varney plays like he has an invisible foot and can't control a ball too save his life, Aidy White must be one of the most over-rated players we've had in years, all he has is pace he is tactically clueless when defending and his positioning is totally wrong, should have let him go in the summer! Thirdly Ken Bates, fair enough he saved the club but that was years ago, since then he has sold our better players! I feel sorry for NW he was promised the lot, and got nothing! I wouldn't blame him if he walked from the club, staying with us highlights the commitment he has for finishing a job! I got home at 4am last night from the game, 4 of us travelled up from Cornwall Plymouth and Exeter, why should the fans travel miles and miles spend our hard earned cash put in so much effort and get rubbish performances and a bunch of lies from the board, its a joke our club is a joke! We shouldn't be mid table, we should have spent money and be near the top, all those tinpot clubs above us have spent a fortune and we can't even spend more than 500k on a player even though the money is there NW isn't allowed to spend it. I think NW will walk after Saturday if we don't get a result and get some players in on loan! BATES OUT!! PickersLUFC

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Spot on at the end of the day its horrible but we are going to have to settle for another year of championship, which its not got shiz on prem is still a very good league. and force bates out one way or another, we still need to MOT and show we are loyal fans.

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19 Sep 2012 14:55:20
Why are the fans getting divided? this is really irrated to me, as i guess others. We should be united against Bates not arguing at who has the best ideas to get rid etc. Some people boycott... fine that is there choice my feelings for them dont change as they are leeds... some people attend the game, once again that is fine as it is there chouce, and once again they are leeds.

Come on people lets stick together no matter what people decide to do. I dont get to ER very much due to work commitments and money, but i am not what you call an 'armchair' before you start with that. I have been to the league cup games this year (cheaper tickets) and i will be going to see the boys against everton. So come on guys LOVE LEEDS! HATE BATES!

L3EDS

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19 Sep 2012 14:34:20
STOP GIVING KEN YOUR MONEY ... HE WILL NOT SUPPORT OUR CLUB ..... STOP SPENDING

Ok go the game and support the lads .... I understand that ... it a personally choice for everybody

However if you are going to ER , then here are some things we must all start doing :


1. Buy Drinks Outside ER

2. Don't Buy Sacks or Food Inside ER .. Take Your Own

3. Keep Out Of The Leeds Shop

4. Don't Buy Match Day Programme


Ken only care about money, he doesn't give a sh*t about you , me or the football club. .... lets hit him were
it will most hurt him .. in his pocket !

SPREAD THE WORD ....... STOP THE SPENDING AT ER

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Good job he cares about money, if he did not maybe we would have ended up like Rangers -

I too don't like bates and think it's time for a change that is very clear but damaging Leeds United long term future is NOT the answer.

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The food and drink has been franchised out to an american company(inside elland road)Papasmurf has already banked the money from this(3 year deal i believe)So not buying a pie etc.wont hurt the git in the pocket.KEA

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Yess well done the person above, it will be a contract that will be ongoing for a few years which will be paid upfront. so pointless really

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19 Sep 2012 14:22:15
The gates fell below 20,00 last night ... well there will be 6 less a on Saturday.

If the owners are prepared to invest in the club .,.. then why should I ..... bates, you've had enough of my money, you're not getting auteur penny !

Sign the documents and do us all a favour ... F**k Off {Ed013's Note - I bet there are more than 20,000 on sat}

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Midweek games are always lower attendance.

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5,000 down compared to the same fixture two seasons ago which was also a midweek game.
ML

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Haha why are some people so thick. midweeks are always lower attendances

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How can any disagree with the guy saying midweek games are always lower attendances they are. We may have had less than last year but it doesnt change the FACT that midweek games do have lower attendances.

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19 sep 2012 13:44:35
if we lose sat we will be bottom 3, stay
away till bates goes! we can then show
our passion and support for our great
club. this is the only way to deal with this man!

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So youre assuming the ten or so teams below us will all win? Or Is it that we get minus points for a loss?! It's still early days, league isn't set in stone yet. Stop with the doom and gloom

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Early days...how far behind do you want us to fall behind before you give your head a shake,this squad is going nowhere fast,we have no wingers,no recognised playmaker,no creativity,no spark,2 forwards that are injured and a back 4 thats leaking goals for fun..like you say its early days,but i can only see this team going in one direction at the moment

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I agree that the squad isn't dazzling, it's A long way from it, and yes I do hate bates as much as every sane white, but at the same time, 6 games into the league, 40 to go, there's no need to throw in the towel as of yet is the point I was making. Of course two straight defeats is disheartening but we've been at lower ebbs so at least try stay somewhat positive until it really hits the fan

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And if we win we could be top 6, means nothing this early in the season, stop whinging

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To the guy that says we have no creativity, i ask you this, please start go to your first game this season before saying that. Ross has creativity granted he is injured, but our best quality in terms of attacking football brain touch and execution of a pass is El Hadj Diouf and when it comes to creativity there aren't many better than him if any in this league.

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19 Sep 2012 13:04:24
Bates has said it is moving slowely doesnt mean nothing can happen this week. If you think about it him saying its moving fast is a lie because its taking months and second of all saying its moving fast puts a very stong positive point that the takeover/investment will go through. His statement is basicly giving very little away whislt still informing us. One other point we are all whining that we have no goal threat and that we are getting beat to easily. But look at the results we have scored in every game (unlike last year) and have not lost a game by more then one goal (unlike last year) things will get better stay strong MOT

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They are the positives i took from it all

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19 Sep 2012 12:37:30
has a new station shop open in leeds they sell pens wonder if bates is buying one to sign deal to day thats why he in the uk make sure the ink full dont want it ti run out on him or it be a nother 100 dyas waite do he needs anybody to steady his hand when signing lol proper leeds fan bates out 4 good mot

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Don't tell me, let me guess. Keith Lemon, am I right?

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19 Sep 2012 12:32:28
im man united fan ur takeover a joke u got no money u never complete with the big boys shambolick of a club source big man u fan

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Based in wales??

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Come Back in ten years we will see where you are when that 500million debt keeps pilling up because your trying to compete with city u will find that there will be a time when ye as a club will be in the same predicament and yere sunshine supporters will change ta city fans at least us leeds fans support our club through thick and thin BrianMOT

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N u the forever fan.. why not go away and support ure own club unless u actually want t change ure colours.. we stick together n always will.. u have a armchair supporters at ure groind. lets face it if u had to go through wot we went thru then we all know u ure supporters would look elsewhere.. we r true fans and always will be.. Marchin on together remember that... so dissappear back t scumchester n speak t ure own waste of space fans

leedsfanforever

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Face facts, as much as you might enjoy bleating that were a joke.....at present your the 2nd best in Manchester which makes our situation a bit easier to swallow!

Scot MOT!

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Well i can't argue with what he says, but he supports the scum. so... disagree.

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He lives in London probably

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Haha scumchesterr fans are hilarious, think there better than everyone. hate em

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Which ever man u fan sed tht the takeover was a joke (at the top of the page)p*** off and leave us alone do we wind u up, jus u wait till we get promoted and we get beckford back and he scores a goal like the 1 that knock u out of the fa cup. leave the leeds family alone WE R LEEDS. MARCHING ON TOGETHER 4 LIFE.

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Mate i know your bored at the minute and have nothing fun happening but your new year will be back around soon for you and i hear its the year of the snake next you'll love that being a fan wont you :)

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We will never compete with the big boys? True i mean the cups we have competed with Arsenal and Tottenham and Liverpool and only just lost to them, we also beat a team that get all their supporters from china when we were in league one but they arent one of the big boys anymore so cant really count them

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19 Sep 2012 12:24:38
To see postings on here telling supporters/fans to boycott or not attend games for the sake of what they call goodwill towards the club itself is probably the saddest thing I've known to be happening at Leeds Utd, Supporters are turning against each other, Kids are being misguided about how to go to Elland Rd and cheer the team on, the team itself will suffer on the pitch while the Bates Out party keep they're campaign up inside the stadium,I do feel it is time he went, but can't the protests be kept outside the ground.

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I tend to agree with most of your comments however everybody has a right to voice their opinion. One thing is for sure - we all want the same end result which is bates out and a successful club and imo I can see things from both sides.

Boycotting games means in the short term, the players are punished but long term if it means bates hurries the sale up as a result of lack of income then you cant say boycotting is such a disastrous idea.

If in the short term, 20-25k fans keep turning up, buying a programme, a few pints and a pint then why would bates be in a hurry to go? He's not even in England much so the protests/mobs etc are water off a ducks back to him!

As harsh as it sounds boycotts might be a very useful way of getting him gone. Any potential investor wouldn't be put off either as it doesn't take a genius to work out why the protests would be happening - bates!

Long term this could be the answer - the team would just suffer in the short term buts what's more important?

Scot MOT!

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Look with the team we have this season we are not getting promoted ( my opinion) but i think boycotting is ridiculous. bates is making enough a few pies and beers aint gna bother him, support the team ride it out and mot!

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Bates has my money anyway. Ive got a season ticket. Whats the point of me boycotting?
M

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19 Sep 2012 12:12:25
One plus from last night was Poleon. He did more in 5 minutes than Varney and Becchio did all night.

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But he didnt score (becchio did)

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Andy Gray scored on his league debut... nobody mentioning it.

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Poleon is a good prospect granted.As for Varney(im aleeds supporter who lives inDerby)When we signed him and Green i asked their opinion.Green thumbs up 100 per cent,whether playing cen.mid,right mid or right full back(He turned down a new contract offer by the way to join leeds)Now Varney bit of a strange one there,confidence player,if he is in the mood not bad(50/50 split) When my Derby supporting mates watched him on MOTD(Blackpool)They said why couldnt he play like that for us.....Becchio is scoring goals!cant ask for more

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I agree with the comment about gray, poleon looks dangerous but saying he did more than anyone on that pitch is pretty exaggerated. what did he actually do? how many tackles/headers did he win? how many chances did he create or goals did he score? yet all the fans who slated gray purely cause he is over 30 haven't got enough about them to say they were wrong. i said from the start he will get us goals. {ed020's note - great player to bring on in the final quarter}

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19 Sep 2012 12:09:06
Look fellow leeds fans.. ive supported the lads for over 20 years n neva in my tym have i seen a bunch of fans against each otha.. The grinch aka kb will b lovin this.. **** him he said he wud destroy us n he is.. the team n neil needs us week in week out.. lets stick together for the team.. The more we bicker wiv each ova the more danger there is in affextin the morale of our lads.. the takeova will happen wen it happens n us arguin will not speed it up.. just give grinch more ammo... lets do as the anthem states n march on together.. we all love leeds and want the best but lets stay united forever..

leedsfanforever

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Yes, he is a grinch isn't he. Ps what's a grinch heeeheeeee.

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Then unite against bates and don't fill his pockets. he will string this along for as long as we allow him to. we keep going, then why bother rushing. the moneys still coming in. cut the supply!!
boycott, it will not make any differece to the team now. leave it any longer and they'll be nothing to fight for. bates out now, we've had enough!!
mot4life

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Wot good will it do to stay away from the team.. that aint supporting the team.. masterbates knows if he dont sell the assett go down in value anyhow.. imagine selling us now for say 40mill n leeds finish 16th in league. then he will have no choice but t sell for half that amount.. i hate him more than anyone n cant stand wot he done t us.. but we dont support the board we support the eleven that go out on the pitch week afya
week..Change is wanted we know that but for now lets support the boys

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HES A ***T but he is 80 the team is looking wafer thin and looking likely that its going to be another poor season. surely would be better to do the deal now? but as the fella that wrote the orignal post said its no good bickering and dividing the leeds fans into the ones who stay and the ones who go. support the team not bates

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Thanx last poster. someone agreeing we have t support the team. at theend of the day bates is to blame but the players on tje field have t take responsibility. The goals we conceded again last nite were poor.. the back dont seem togetha n the wide men mever travk.bak..Varney is useless n white again had no clue..all we do is get tje ball n kick it up field. no.passing no movement.. it needs t improve n fast.. so lets agree bates shud go but warnock needs to get more from this squad

leedsfanforever

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19 Sep 2012 11:44:16
Not liked warnock for many years but when he came i thought id give him a chance.
In the summer he signed some decent players e.g austin, pearce and even diouf in my opinion and he also managed to keep hold of mccormack- the most valuable asset to our team.
Now hes injured i feel we're in a bad position... warnock has not accounted for losing players so we are now in a position where we are without key players and struggling to put out a team that wont be laughed off the field.
Despite not having funds to buy everyone we would want, i still feel hes not done enough. We will struggle now and finish mid table once more, i just pray this takeover goes through and we can get back to the prem MOT!

Beefy

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Very true, almost agree with you. But I feel Neil as not been given the resources he was promised. If you listen to neil in his own words he gives away little bits like, icing on the cake signings. I think neil new he wasn't going to get the money for them that's why he drops little hints here and there.

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Bates is the problem. he takes and never gives. when we are one of the best paying fans.
i say bates out now you f++king leech, time for change, vote with your feet. soon they'll be nothing left to play for!
mot4life

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Surelyy no one can blame warnock for what is happening right now? he has tried his best. hes classs

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Why not blame Warnock to some degree? He has picked the players he signed. He apparently had choice on who as and wasn't sold. Grayson was judged on his signings with the same financial constraints, so why shouldn't Warnock be?

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19 Sep 2012 11:43:36
First of I have to say things are quite depressing at the moment at ER,theres no doubting the players effort but its the much needed quality that we lack in abundance. I live in norfolk and surrounded by Norwich fans whom feed of our situation,some of which are saying we are currently looking at Steve Morison (scored alot of goals at Millwall). I hate the way how the canaries have snatched our most talented players,yet even I have to say if Norwich can gain promotion from a squad assembled on a shoe string....why cant we compete,we are Leeds Utd after all!
Keep the faith MOT

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19 Sep 2012 11:23:09
Austin for captain.

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Defooo

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NO question about it captin all the way he deserves another task.
also he needs to be our free kick taker the 1 against cardiff was amense(despite losing)

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19 Sep 2012 11:18:27
I detect that NW is starting to get even more frustrated with his inability to find the right players to strengthen the squad which last night's performance showed we desperately need. Obviously the injuries to key players are not helping and NW is trying to remain positive but realistic. His point about not being able to secure the players he would have liked is a significant one and highlights the main problem - KB. It would not surprise me at all if NW decides to go. I don't have him down as a quitter but there's only so much he can do with limited numbers (and limited ability) and he does have his pride.

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Wouldnt blame him if he walked

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19 Sep 2012 11:07:14
not a good enough squad end of story bring on another year in the championship

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19 Sep 2012 10:54:54
warnock needs to make the decision to bring back rogers on loan if hes not getting any funds. maybe even charlie taylor if hes gonna get to play. might even have to look into grabbing some more of the youth players and give them a shot .no point moaning about not been able to bring players in when theres players out on loan and where is zac thompson

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Clearly warnock doesnt think there ready.

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19 Sep 2012 10:04:12
I was on the game and walked past the protest and there wasn't even 300 there, it was pathetic

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Was that you in the fishnet tights? {Ed020's Note - NO THAT WAS ME!!}

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I was one ot the three hundred,at least we were making our feelings known outside the ground and then went in to cheer the team on,what were you doing.

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Cheer the team on??? Didn't sound like that to me. And yes i was there.

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Yeah its quite pethetic that the team you 'support' is being destroyed by bates and you cannot be bothered to do anything about it. sad that you have such little passion for leeds united and will carry on letting him destroy us.

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You dont even know me, I've been following LEEDS home and away for the last 35 years so don't imply that fans dont have passion just for voicing an opinion on last nights game.We all have are own passion for following the club but fans that turn up week in week out should not be slated.

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People are standing up for what they want to change at are club and some people try taking the p=ss. How can you call yourself a fan. When you are happy to walk past fellow fans and come out with that statement. You might aswell be Man u with that comment. I will say your not fit to wear the shirt or just don't love the club enough to do something about it. SAD MAN WITH NO PLAN!!
RMOTLIFE

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I for one would have been singing bates out with ya, just seen it on youtube found it rather amusing. SHOOOT THE CHELSEA SCUMMM. wheress all our money gone, wheres alll our money gone?

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19 Sep 2012 09:13:42
yet again i wonder why varney gets in the team?
leeds on verge of takeover and its from the old coots mouth now!
i think we should take a punt on poleon he shows commitment and is at moment our only out and out striker!
this is getting worse rosco out for 8 weeks.
Bet ken is sat on his fluffy cloud thinking its time to jump ship bye bye ken
MOT for life
Luciano ls11

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Poleon not ready for a full season yet but is worth playing and at the moment is the perfect chance for him to show what he has got to offer.

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Varney gets in the team because he can play a few positions and also theres not too many other players to choose from . we have just had an unlucky start with injuries and if we had not got these injuries i think we would be in top 6 but we are very thin now .BATES OUT

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I definitely agree we would be top 6 if these injuries stayed away just varney playing poor and we have a few players who could occupy his role.
Not saying i have lost trust but its getting longer and harder from here on.
Luciano

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19 Sep 2012 09:00:15
Im embarressed (spelling) to call Luke Varney a Leeds player

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Is the varney the new billy barn door paynter

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Much worse, least painter could hold the ball(sometimes)

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19 Sep 2012 08:37:04
Can anybody explain to me why NW isn't using the fringe players at his disposal, I know he transfer listed them, but I we don't have the numbers to be sending them out on loan or just not using them.

Our squad wouldn't be as bare to the bone if we used Connolly, Pugh, Rogers and Nunez.

I know 2 are out on loan and Nunez picked up an injury, but even before that, you'd think if NW was struggling to bring in his players he'd at least use the senior players we have in the team. Especially Rogers and Nunez who would be game changers, Pugh isn't the best but he's versitile and Connolly is definitely a decent back up.

Hopefully this T/O does happen soon and NW can add a few loans, but until then I'd use what players are available. {Ed013's Note - Connolly and Rogers are on loan and may not have recall actions in their contracts. Nunez is injured for the season and Pugh was on the bench}

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Hi Ed, my point was why did he loan Connolly and Rogers out when we didn't have replacements lined up, and why wasn't Nunez making the bench before his injury?

'C' {Ed013's Note - I just don't think Neil rates him and to be fair I think he is far too light for this division, although he could have been an impact sub}

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He let them go on loan because he was mistakenly confident he'd replace them.

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19 Sep 2012 08:09:16
On paper we look like we have alot better keeper and defence,but we are leaking far too many goals
Not good enough ? or is the pressure with the takeover dragging on affected the players
Bates reckons its down to the lawyers now,if you wasnt that dodgy Mr Bates takeover would have happened along time ago,so a very lame excuse,blaming others rather than yourself

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19 Sep 2012 08:03:32
Ben Jacobs (BBC Middle East) - "Ken Bates was originally scheduled to be at the game, so he's either stayed away cause scared of protests (q.likely) or cause T/O done."

Apparently the Chairmans notes in last nights program were written last week. A few protestors would never put Bates off, he lives for things like that. But considering he can only spend 90 days a year in the UK he chose to miss the Leeds game, but come in the day after? For what purpose? I know he will probably attend the Forest game (if still in charge) but why arrive Wednesday, and waste a few more days of your alloted UK time. I guess I'm hoping he's in town to sign on the dotted line, but with this old fool, who knows!

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You dont have to be in Leeds to complete or work on or sign off in a deal for Leeds United

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19 Sep 2012 08:03:23
I wasn't at the game, my little one split his head open on the coffee table so spent most of the night in A&E. I'm guessing from the posts the team didn't play too well, was this because we don't have the quality or just because they are knackered as we have no back up. Will try and find some highlights today and watch it myself but wanting your opinions as some of you were there live. Also what was the chanting like was it as bad as some posts suggest on here. {Ed013's Note - Soft soft goals to concede}

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A small majority turned up in the the south stand with anti Bates Banners(7 YEARS OF LIES TIME TO GO KEN.)also waving cards of which i couldnt read what was on them.to be honest it looked and sounded embarrassing especially in front of a mass of Hull fans, also i would say it didnt do the team any favours either as they never offered the Team itself any backing or encouragement, if this is going to happen at all home games then we are in for a long season. Marching on Together.. more like Marching on Divided.

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Not enough quality as they are all on the sidelines injured .

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19 Sep 2012 07:54:06
Like all else on this site Leeds United are my life and it pains me to see them struggling like they currently are, hopefully the takeover is completed sooner rather thean later as this squad needs some back-up to share the work load, te effort given is valient but a little more quality and depth are the key to LUFC being promoted... I wont be boycotting the matches as those players out there dont deserve it, but Bates sign the f*****g papers and go and p*** off the Pompy fans.MOT

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Promoted!? Are you living in dreamworld! Avoid relegation more like!

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19 Sep 2012 07:50:04
Can't believe what I saw at Elland Road last night, From the moment Marching on Together boomed out the tannoys with a half hearted effort from the fans I could sense a frustrating night ahead , after the penalty it was an uphill challenge for Warnock and his team of misfits , Luke Varney was shocking and Aidy White not much better, and it was only when Tonges name was mentioned on the radio going home that I even noticed he had played,the rest ran they're socks off but we have no outstanding quality on the pitch, the crowd was poor, the south stand has turned into an embarrassing anti Bates stand, can't remember them giving the actual team any encouragement at all it was banners and anti bates posters, just what a struggling team needs. Hopefully when the injured return we may have a slight chance of winning a few games but for the next month it's going to be tough to say the least.

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I was in the south stand not too far from the block of fans holding up the Bates Out signs. However, I have to say that they alternated the chants of Bates Out with supporting chants to all else:- Warnock, the team, COE etc. So in my opinion in was all well balanced and not totally negative. They did get behind the team.

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The protests need to be done unless your happy to have bates at the club stuck in the lower leagues .

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YEAH! forget Bates, lets just cheer the team all the way to the lower leagues.
GET A BACK BONE!!

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19 Sep 2012 01:15:14
Never have so few been hated by so many. Actually it's not few it's just one. Mr Bates despite your programme notes when your paying a solicitor he moves as fast as you want him to move, and since the buyers are eager to get in and supporting Neil all they can that leaves you. I was there tonight and those chants were pure venim in the hatred of you and all you stand for, and it's going to get worse. Do yourself and your wife a favour sign the contact and
Go.

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19 Sep 2012 00:43:44
Got to say there was absolutely no excuses for all three goals tonight. Appalling defending. The first goal should have been played out of defence instead two defenders going for same ball with one passing and teeing the ball up for them to score. Second no one marking their guy on our post for open header third goal from us being on the attack they tote our defence apart school boy error. I honestly thought we'd stopped this childish and niave defending.

If Bates would have supported Neils targets we would have the best team in the championship. Instead Neil assembled a squad that quite simply is not big enough. Not one of the above is Neils fault. He is working with what he has and thats all he can do. All we can do as fans is support him and the team.

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But not bates's pockets as that is not helping us or Warnock.
mot4life

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Bates is partly to blame but let's not forget Warnock got most of the defence and midfield he wanted. Warnock is a poor manager out of touch with the modern game whose record, when properly examined, is not very good. That's why he's still a lower league manager after all these years. He transfer listed our young players with flair and promise whilst bringing in older journeymen with an average age of 30.

I've pointed out before on here how bad his stats are with. Last season all I got back was 'they're Grayson's players - it's not his fault'. Actually it was his fault. Now he has the players he chose things are getting worse and you still think he's good?

Warnock's 'hit and hope, huff and puff' is an anachronism in the modern game. The reason Swansea, Norwich, Southampton and Reading are in the Premiership is partly down to money but it's also down to the way they play. Ball on the ground, pass to a player wearing the same colour shirt. Concepts which seem to have passed Warnock by with his 'aim for Becchio's head' tactic.

Grayson almost made the playoffs with the same budget as Warnock, a fact which people on here seem to be conveniently forgetting. We rightly criticised his defence yet Warnock's defence is conceding even more. It deserves to be criticised and I'm paying enough to have the right to do so.
ML

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Let's not forget that we had 4 first team players out last night. So we knew we would struggle with our small squad.

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Dont think hes a poor manager but if you put him and graysons stats against each other grayson looks the better manager

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Warnock did pick the player but there all with in a shoe string budget. With a little more cash, do you think he'ld of chose them. I think not! Bates has killed this club and made us the laughing stock of the league. Why shoul he care, he's still getting his fill. F++KING LEECH,GET OUT OF ARE CLUB!!
mot4life

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19 Sep 2012 00:36:13
Been saying it for some time. Solid defence until White joins it. There must be someone in the club better than him even Pugh - and I know he had a nightmare last game of the season. Varney not nearly good enough - I remember when he was but that was a few seasons ago. We play welll in spurts but not consistent enough. Missed two chances to go two up then white +1 conspire
to give another goal away and everything went downhill from there until a bit of a recovery until more defensive naivity from you know who and its three one.

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You cannot blame one player for 2 of the goals. Yes the firs he was to blame as he was out of position and should ahve left Perse to deal with it, however Pearce maybe should have done better than passing it to their man. The third goal how can you blame White, he was covering other players positions from the corner so wasn't to blame. He didn't have a very good game but i don't think many of the players did or have all season. Worst player for me was Varney, he didn't contribute at all. He was also playing in front of White and provided no support for him.
Davs

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19 sep 2012 00:17:57
bring sanchez watt back to elland road mr warnock !!

chapperr'ss

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Why? He did nothing the first couple of times! Pigface

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