Leeds Banter Archive February 01 2012

01 Feb 2012 23:29:07
Love the official statement on the Leeds website:

"Leeds United have today dispensed with the services of Simon Grayson..."

Surely they could have come up with a less demeaning phrase? .... then again!

They could have but if the cap fits wear it, I've been dreaming of this day for over a year now so I thought it was fitting!

I loved the phrase. Not before long. SG management team were not up to par. Good riddance. Get in Zola.

01 Feb 2012 22:44:40
It's one of Dave Jones, Di Matteo or Lee Clark. Has to be someone who wants LUFC on their CV, has nothing to lose by coming to the club and who Bates thinsk he can control to some degree. For me that rules out Jones and Di Matteo doesn't quite fit. So Lee Clark then.

Di Matteo would fit perfectly. Biggest club he will have managed, one promotion from this league already on his CV, and most importantly plays football the right way.

He does have friendship with Ken Bates

01 Feb 2012 22:31:41
Look, if you finish 3 or 6th don't make any difference ! - play offs is play offs = we are currently one win off play offs ( so consider that we are only 1 win off 3rd place in real terms - don't sound so bad does it ... a new boss and a new spirit and we can have a GO - I want goals and passion - if we finish 3rd 6th or 7th I don't mind this year - as long as its fast and good football and get SOMMA back - Also if we do look to take Warnock over other applicants he would re sign Derry their keeper and the Scandi forward who was banging them in for him - and Loan Tarrat

Not sure he'd loan taarabt after his little outburst the other week. Same could be said for Barton :D
helguson would be a possible, though i still think he's a bit of a donkey (an in form one granted). Also, (Ed pls correct me if im wrong) but wasnt it Derry who was leaking stuff to Crappy Palace as a mole a few years back. Deffo need a DM but wouldnt want him back!

01 feb 2012 22:25:03
billy davies! watch this space!

Bates vs Davies in the boardroom. That I'd happily pay £600+ a year to watch...

01 Feb 2012 22:07:52
A former Leeds player will NOT be appointed manager. you heard it here first!

No - heard it before. Someone told me this afternoon on the phone.

Don't think either of you had a real source though....

01 Feb 2012 22:03:07
Sources close to Neil Warnock have confirmed that ex-Blades man has 'no interest' in becoming the next manager of Leeds United.

Leeds are in the hunt for a new boss after Simon Grayson was today sacked from the club after the Yorkshire outfits 4-1 home loss to Birmingham on Tuesday night.

Source: Reuters

Well thats not good - I guess we may hear a statement tomorrow from the man himself but if not then who knows!

Cant see Warnock coming,his dislike for Leeds and Bates is well known,he doesnt need the aggro that comes with it neither,think it will either be one of his ex Chelsea connections,Redfearn,or promising manager from the lower leagues,important decision,ust hope Bates gets it right.

Utter BS

01 Feb 2012 22:02:23
Lonergan
Thomson Lees Bruce Smith
Snodgrass Clayton Delph Townsend
Mccormack Somma

I reckon this will be the team the new manager will use. Forsell, Bromby and Brown to have their contracts cancelled by mutual consent and O'Dea will be sent back to Celtic.

Doubt it smith plays right bk

Smith is a RB so probably pugh or white

Smith will play right back with aidy white left bak

Why play a right back. Smith, on the left, when we have two left backs? Why play Somma when he's still recovering from a very serious injury? Why are you posting this nonsense?

To explain why he posted nonsense the guy is Simon Grayson, explains why he is tactically inept!

Whoever posted this doesn't have a clue! Haha

01 Feb 2012 21:58:27
He refused as we have 6 CB's. 3 of which were brought in by Grayson only 1 of these 3 is used (O'Dea). I understand why he refused, if they weren't good enough then why sign them in the first place then sign on another which won't get chose for the team.

Actually all 6 were Grayson's

Total cost of all 6 signings £0. Pay peanuts....

Paid for bruce, paid for bromby definately. I thought money was passed for o'brian as well but could be wrong.

Total cost zero, you having a laugh?

Why do the fans only see the cost in transfer fees? Wages are the killer- transfer fee is a one off, wages go on and on. Example Michael Brown £15000 per week approx, = £780000 a year. He is usually only a sub! We have a 40 player squad of average players with only a few obvious exceptions. SG must bear some responsibility

Theres 30 players not 40 in our squad and 2 of them are out on loan so bates is paying 28 wages and im wondering if we are actually paying adam smiths wages as grayson couldn't get any money off bates and maybe thats all we could get (players that there team would pay there wages so they could get experience in championship)

01 Feb 2012 21:51:56
i no why bates did not sack grayson a couple of weeks ago it because the entrance to the east stand was not finished it looks pretty good on sky sports news it looked a mess 2 weeks ago

01 Feb 2012 21:50:20
Can't believe people actually think that Jose Mourinho is gonna leave Real Madrid for Leeds?!

Jose loves Bates so likely that it could happen!

Jose Mourinho is ken bates love child

01 Feb 2012 21:45:38
Very excited and interested to see who we bring let's hope we don't bring in someone as cheap and poor as our players! Want him to have bags of experience, great tactics, lived promotion, good relationship with the players and stand up to the chairman on he who wants in and out!

You were doing so well untill you said "stand up to the chairman on he who wants in and out". I thought Ken Bates was going to pick the new manager!

01 Feb 2012 21:43:16
Right, first thing is Simon lost his job due to losing last night, had he won, his job would have been saved, i can tell you three other player where due to move to leeds last night, it got pulled due to simon being told he was having a meeting first thing in the morning. Simon had no MONEY!

What ben parker said the over night was on the money about Howson leaving, Also Simon didnt Want aob back playing for leeds.

Shaun Harvey is the reason why we lost the players we have over the last 12 months.

Simon wanted beckford and Smith back, Harvey blocked it.

All what iv said is true.

The fact that Grayson wanted Smith Back was enough for anyone to get the sack, how could we sign 3 more players a 33 man squad you having a laugh.

As for what Parker apparently said, the fact is he didn't no media coverage no video footage it's just conjecture give it a rest.

Howson sale was a great decision fact!

01 Feb 2012 21:36:22
Like bates or not, the guy knows what he is doing as per everything he's said. I will get shouted down but Have a bit of faith in the man that he doesn't want his investment to slide and let's get behind the team united as one. I Really liked SG, good luck to you BUT unfortunately this had to be done. This was the right call. MOT!

This was the right call!

01 Feb 2012 21:25:49
lets have bates for manager see how he goes til end of season may realise he needed 5 new players lol things can only get better i wouldnt mind di can man

01 Feb 2012 21:00:49
All those people who wanted grayson out what makes you think a new man is gonna do any better look at cotterill at forest it doesn't always work,but you've got what you want you can't moan,good look simon with your next club they will be lucky to have someone ad loyal as you,who knows one day you can return for some unfinished business.

It doesn't always work but it might.

It can't get anyworse than SG so it will work in if we got SVEN in. Thats how bad SG is.

01 Feb 2012 20:48:05
thanks sg for all you,ve done but maybe it was time to go. gutted for you all the best. hate to say it but i think neil warnock could be the right man for the job. simon you were shafted mate bates out

01 Feb 2012 20:41:02
Let's be honest lads, the right decision has been made. The squad was simon's, bought and built by him.
We have four keepers - why?
We have six centre backs - majority sh@te or just too young for champ at this moment
Stack of mf's - brown past it, Pugh poor, Sam poor, mika poor, Ramon, not really sure.
Strikers, paynter in the wrong trade, Forsell past it, bechio struggling without a pacey and selfish striker. We could all name ten players and fifty plus grand a week being wasted at ER.
As much as I dislike bates, and, I really do, he hasn't gone out and scouted then signed this guff.
Manager wise, I'd be up for di canio, not to lose this season. If we got lucky and went up, bates would escape with the golden egg and we'd get sunderlands lowest points record. If we try Paulo out he might be able to stabilize us before a delve into the summer market. Without tempting fate, we aren't bad enough to go down. Let's swallow the pill and accept its not happening this season but we can dream for next one with a young, passionate and mental gaffer.

Good shout about bechio

01 Feb 2012 19:48:13
looks like Mick McCarthy might get the boot from Wolves, anyone fancy him as our next manager?

01 Feb 2012 20:07:20
We should get Gus Poyet back. The guy knows what's what in football and has a strong relationship with Ken Bates. We need decent coaching staff that used to be good players. Radebe would be a good coach as would David Batty. We need to look to the future no dwell on the past. Grayson had his chance and wasn't good enough.

Drivel. Poyet has spent loads at Brighton and is still below us in the league. Batty has no interest, experience or qualifications in coaching so what possible reason do you have for your assessment that he would be good? Good players rarely make good coaches & managers and this weird obsession with our past has been a constant thorn in our side. Revie excepted, every Leeds legend who managed the club was awful. Get a grip...

Neither batts or the chief have any badges. Why on earth do you think they would be good coaches? Oh yes, they both played for Leeds.

I'm sorry did Poyet play for Leeds. No I think not, so jog on before you act like a big man. Are you David Batty's PA? No! So how do you know he has no coaching badges and he ain't interested. Next time you want to slag off someone's opinion make sure yours is correct first!!

I didnt reply to this post but as to battys interest in football he has none,so i have to agree with who ever is slagging you off.oh and ffs calm down!

Read Batty's biography fool

Sure poyet loaned paynter from us a short time ago. Don't think he's that great in the transfer Market either is he lol.
I do care who we get but can't really speculate, I never saw greyson as a contender last time we were in this position but I do remember things got better for Leeds united and that's all that counts Leeds united
Sorry to see you go Simon I thought end of season then look at it but that's ken for you.

Chorley White MOT

02 Feb 2012 14:05:43
Batty has publicly stated that he has no interest in football, no longer even watches it on TV and has no desire to ever be involved professionally in any capacity.

01 Feb 2012 19:36:07
Playoffs, a win at Old Trafford, promotion, 7th, 3 points outside the playoffs with a net expenditure of minus £11 million, sacked. Gone, but always a Leeds legend. There's only one Simon Grayson.

Agree fella. One of my fav Leeds mangers. Real shame. Good luck SG.

Simon Grayson will not get another job in professional football management, non league for him now! he's inept!

01 Feb 2012 19:34:52
"our wages are £11.5m, Barnsley's are £4.5m". Except Barnsley's are £9m. And they don't expect promotion. And that's just wages, not transfer fees. And as a percentage of turnover it's 80%, not 40%.

Bates needs some maths lessons and to stop being a vile, lying 'lady garden'

BATES OUT.

He also hasn't taken into account that he just got 2 mil + saved on howsons wages so basically we are under budget after his sale

Bates is a legend!

I'm sure he's quiet good at maths. Hence the Monaco pad.

Original poster here - yes he probably is good at maths - it's just his 'public maths' that needs a bit of work - or to be taken with a vast pinch of salt...

Whoever thinks bates is a ledgend needs to wake up and smell the disgusting roses.

Howson was £750k, with tax, agent fees, and league levy to deduct so not a £2mill saving

01 Feb 2012 19:32:54
Lets get this rightr Ken will spend no money on bringing in a new manager....which is a shame!! I think poyet would have been great.......Rumour has it Billy Davies on a 18 month deal 25/1 with the bookmakers as well!!!

Favourite is Neil Warnock.

01 Feb 2012 19:23:06
to be honest I wouldn't mind having Neil Warnock at Leeds. Yes he can land himself in trouble with comments he makes but the bloke has a proven track record at getting teams promoted and that's what Kenny wants.

KENNY! are you his bezzy mate? loser, get a grip

01 Feb 2012 19:06:26
Paul Peschisolido is in contention to becoming the next manager of Leeds United.

01 Feb 2012 19:01:12
Taken from Yorkshire Radio’s interview with Leeds United owner Ken Bates today…

‘Mr Chairman’ speaks to Ben Fry about the reasons for sacking Simon Grayson and season ticket numbers.

Ken Bates: Hi Ben, sorry I couldn’t speak to you earlier but I was travelling, as you know.

Ben Fry: Chairman, we’ll start with the statement on LeedsUnited.com. The club have dispensed with the services of Simon Grayson and his coaching staff. Can you give us the thoughts behind this decision?

KB: Well I think that, first of all we have to acknowledge the fact that in the previous three seasons Simon got us to the play-off semi-finals, he won us promotion the next year and last year we finished seventh. And contrary to some of the nutters on tweet and Twitter, we’ve backed him all the way. The first time I said ‘no’ to a player that Simon wanted to buy was last Thursday when he wanted to sign a player who was going to cost us £600,000 a year. I said ‘but you’ve already got six centre-backs, all of who you signed’. We have, at 30, probably the largest, or at least one of the largest squads in the Championship and a bigger squad than most in the Premiership. Our wage budget was £9.5m this year, we’ve spent over £12m. So these people who are blaming me for the results don’t know what they’re talking about. Every penny that we made from transfer fees has gone back into the team in transfer fees or wages. Don’t forget, if you sign a player on a free transfer say, on £500k a year which with taxes is £600k a year and give them a three year contract, you’re committing a £1.8m, which is a tremendous amount of money. We’re a Championship club; we have six strikers, we have six centre-backs and all of a sudden I can’t see why none of the them are any good enough. We’ve got three teenagers in the back four. That’s the decision of the manager. He decides who he wants to buy. We the club, me the chairman, authorises it. But the face of the matter is, we’ve conceded more goals than almost any other club in the Championship and we’ve got three teenagers in the back four. Therefore we’ve reached as far as we can and the present system isn’t working. So what have we got know? We’ve got 18 games to go, nine at home and nine away. We can still get into the play-offs, I think automatic promotion is a bit far off. But I think we need a fresh start, fresh look, fresh attitude and a new moving on. We’ve got Andy O’Bren coming back which is one of Simon’s signings and now he’s back at the club so hopefully that will strengthen our back four. So we’ll see what happens in the last quarter of the season.

BF: Do you have confidence in the squad and the players at the club that they can make this charge?

KB: Well, Simon told me in November that we were going to win promotion. These players haven’t become bad players overnight. They’ve got a problem somewhere but we don’t know what it is. I’m a little bit disappointed when Simon said after last night that he was working under financial constraints. Jesus! Nearly 30% over budget on players’ wages and people are… some of the fans are banging on about loan players. Errr, who scored the winner against us when we played at the Emirates? It was a loan player wasn’t it? Thierry Henry? It’s not a question of how much you spend on the transfer fee, it’s the quality of the player you get. He’s a free player, free transfer. Do you pay £35m for a Carroll or £50m for a Torres? So money itself doesn’t mean anything. The important thing is quality and value for money. What I don’t understand, is why we are where we are with what we’ve spent. I mean, don’t forget when we were beaten by Barnsley 4-1, their wage bill was £4.5m. Ours was £11.5m so clearly we’re not getting value for money, are we? So since the present system isn’t working, we need a fresh look, a fresh start. Having said that, thank you to Simon for what he has done in the past and his two assistants but we have to move on.

BF: The statement on the website says Neil Redfern will take temporary charge until a new man is available. Neil obviously a man with plenty of experience of the game.

KB: Oh yes. I mean he is a toughie. Look how, under his control, the players have been coming through from the academy. You’ve got seven academy players now in our first team squad. That’s a tribute to the way we work at the lower levels. And I’m sure he will bring a fresh face to what’s happening. That gives us time to rethink and move on.

BF: Chairman, always difficult days but I suppose from this point you just have to look forward to the remainder of the season.

KB: Well yes. It’s amazing, 62 per cent of season tickets have been renewed already and thank you for those who have done it. It demonstrates that despite the vociferous minority and now a very small minority, they do say empty vessels make the most sound, people can see what we’re trying to do. We’re building a club first and team second. That is most important. We’re making progress at a time when so many clubs are in financial difficulties. I’m going to tell you a funny story… there’s a guy that has failed to take over at Portsmouth, who hasn’t come up with the reddies, I met him three months ago at the request of someone else that was interested in investing in Leeds. They come through the door every week of the month. People say spend, spend, spend, well why should anyone spend? What’s more important? A text I get yesterday: why would anyone want to invest in a club where there’s a vociferous minority who make so much bad vibes? Do me a favour, don’t need it. Anyway, all these people that claim they have contacts and have money, including the Leeds United Supporters Trust, well no problem, they can put their money where their mouth is.

BF: Leeds United chairman Ken Bates, speaking to Yorshire Radio a short time ago this afternoon.

I trust Bates, he is doing a great job just wished people would open there ears and eyes and shut there mouths before the regurgitated conjecture that they here.

I've read, reread and then reread the accounts mate AND I've been running a software company sucessfully since 1997 so I can read a P&L and balance sheet and do the maths.

There are a LOT of questions that the published accounts leave unanswered and it's people like you who need to open your eyes.

Examples...

Please explain to me why we have a huge amount of expenditure (around £15 million) shown as 'other' - you'd normally expect a very small figure there (around 0.015% on my company's accounts).

Please explain why we're paying £10 million a year to a mysterious offshore company in rent for ER/TA when we turned down the chance to buy it for around 2 years' rent? Who might possibly own the ground? Seems odd that we have no way of tracing the owner don't you think?

Bates denied any knowledge about the ownership of the club for years then suddenly 'became' the owner. Please explain that.

Why has Bates hidden all his dealings in offshore companies based in very opaque legislatures, and has tried to keep as much information about the running of the club away from any scrutiny whatsoever?

What he's doing may well be legal but if he's as ethical as he claims then why is he hiding behind offshore companies?

He is absolutely vile.

01 Feb 2012 18:52:38
Why give Larry the transfer window and then sack him. I thought Bates had given him the season or bust. Must have someone lined up. Warnock!. GHU. MOT

01 Feb 2012 18:39:00
Warnock in by the weekend.

I know warnock not fans fav but feel he is the right man for the job

Ian Holloway would be my choice on motivational qualities alone, however i will be quite happy with Warnock.

Use warnock for promotion then sack him

01 Feb 2012 18:37:01
Can anybody explain Chief Executive Shaun Harvey's comments on the official leeds united website, he says "We have 18 games to go this season and are still within touching distance of the Play-Offs, but felt with the transfer window now closed we needed to make the change at this time in the belief that a new managerial team will be able to get more out of the existing squad of players and make the difference."

Why wait until today to sack Grayson, yesterdays result has no bearing in SG's sacking if we had won 4-1 he would have still been sacked by Bates & the other parasites that are currently running our proud club

Bates will not spend any money & is like a leach he will not let go of Leeds until he has bleed the club completely dry.

Still on a positive note i have won £1500 @ the bookies as i predicted Grayson would get the sack today (placed bet in the middle of Dec).

Bates is like a jelly fish, us loyal fans can see right through him

How can you say Bates wont spend any money. For a start he is going to have to pay Grayson and his team a huge amount for sacking them. The new man will want a big contract and money for players.

And all this crap about selling our best players leaving the team poorer. Remember the diabolical show at Southampton. Gradel and Howson were there then and that made no difference. Howson was there at Burnley when we should have lost had it not been for Mcarthy.

Barnsley are a team of Sunday league players yet they beat us twice. The players we have should be performing much better than they are. It has to be down to tactics, lack of motivation, etc. Just think where we would be had we not played against 10 men for the last three weeks.

Listen to Eddie Gray on YR after the match. Every week it's "we never got going, our passing was terrible, we never got a grip of midfield". I might be wrong but I am sure Eddie isn't.

Grayson was inept. He had to go. Even when we were winning we were pretty poor and it was more by luck that we were picking up points.

I'm sure Grayson is a nice guy but if I'm paying £600 for a season ticket I want to see commitment and passion. I can live with a defeat if we have played well enough and been a bit unlucky but total ineptitude bothers me.

Our team is probably on paper one of the best in the division, but it is playing like one of the worst. Let's just hope the new man can get the best out of them.

1st response spot on pal!

Our team on paper... What utter b*llocks. We fielded a team against Barnsley that cost £300k. On average we field the 2nd cheapest team in the division. Our defence cost precisely £0. Look at the players at Southampton, West Ham, Leicester, Birmingham, Cardiff, etc. Silly, silly boy...What little quality there is will not be there much longer either.

Pugh cost £500k where did you get your £300K. Your a silly little boy as well.

Check the date. 31st December, 2011. Pugh was registered as a Stoke City player on loan to Leeds on 31/12/2011.

Now who's a silly boy...

01 Feb 2012 18:31:38
First time poster I liked grayson but the end of the day he was just a puppet for that tightarsed .... Bates I would hate it if they appointed warnock I think Gordon strachan would be ideal appointment but don't think that would ever happen cos bates would never to be able to control strachan the way he did with Grayson but here's to hoping

Strachan? Why? His record is atrocious.

Because its some fans on heres obsessio,ex players,both as players and managers,and how come Strachan and Bruce are among the favourites?,both very good players but crap managers,even Gary Kelly,and Radebe are in the betting,no managerial experience,Im waiting for Smith as player manager being touted next,now that would be taking the michael.

Why knock warnock seen people on our site saying hate to see warnock here ? like to see what they say if he gets us promoted next season !! give him a chance or we might get billy nt promoted davis !

01 Feb 2012 18:26:57
Get a manager who has proven he can get teams promoted by not spending much and get radebe in as defensive coach

Holloways taken im afraid

O leary and George Graham would be as good as any,and think both would jump at the chance.

Graham as Coach not manager

What makes you think they'd jump at the chance? They'b be wanting a salary well outside our budget and a transfer fund - O'Leary spent more every 3 days on average than Grayson spent per year...

Er,theyre both not working as far as I know and would relish the chance to get back on the managerial ladder,or do you think all managers are on fantastic wages,get a grip.

01 Feb 2012 18:22:19
Does it not now all fit into place? Get as many season ticket renewals before the transfer window closed, spend no money whatsoever during it & then sack Grayson & his team the day after! Even if we had won last night, he would have gone!
I have it on good authority that Grayson & his team have been smelling multiple rats for quite some time! Bates already had someone lined up weeks ago but there is still more to come of this. What is his agenda?
Also got to say that the Club's official statement was highly disrespectful to Grayson & his team.
We've had our 'ups & downs' through Grayson's reign but I for one would like to thank him & his team for all of their efforts. Despite everything, I left games more often with a smile on my face rather than a frown! Good luck to them all in their respective futures!

Excellent, considered post.

01 Feb 2012 18:15:28
Gary Kelly has gone from 20-1 to 4-1 and has only been in the betting for an hour
He'd at least sort the defense

Grayson was a defender and didn't sort defence

FFS,a good player doesnt always make a good coach or manager,why keep wheeling ex Leeds players out with no experience,its time Bates splashed some money on a proven manager,he must have some cos hes spent sod all on players.

01 Feb 2012 17:49:02
well now Grayson has gone we can find out if the problem was bates or Grayson but we will not see this until the summer probably .

01 Feb 2012 17:44:31
I think sg has been his own worst enemy this year,sticking by Kisnorbo was a huge mistake,the defence has needed sorting for 3 years he should have either brought in a new defensive coach to work with the players or strengthened it at some point this summer at the latest...also bates always made a point of saying sg had final say on transfers,if that was the case why sell Gradel,to rep[lace with Pugh,makes no sense at all,at least Max could beat a man and make things happen,we may as well have lost max for nothing at the end of this season.(far too many poor squad players brought in swallowing wages up,the list is endless).i liked Grayson and part of me wishes he would have resigned after Barnsley away and walked away with his pride and his head held high,and just said to the fans he was finding it hard to take the team to the next level as things stood,all the best larry we all know how much you loved the job and considering the backing you have had or lack of it from the board i think he did a half decent job....

Gradel asked to go - if a players ask to go and you refuse they'll do nothing on the pitch. Pointless blaming Grayson or Bates for that one.

Luka modric, more bs. It's all on the man management SG has proved he cant do that.

Carlos Tevez and a million more... There will always be exceptions. Generally speaking, once a player asks to go the best thing to do is to let them, especially if you can get a decent fee.

01 Feb 2012 17:42:11
last poster youre a twit every manager makes bad signings even fergie gets it wrong u forget the players he snapped up from nowhere gradel everyone was complaining bout that and he was unreal snodgrass for 200K NOW WORTH 4-5 MILLION MCCORMACK BECCHIO CLAYTON he got a lot right and if he was backed we would be in the prem already like norwich he is being made a scapegoat by bates as far as im concerned SG did well considering his limitations financially he still had a 50% win ratio warnock highest was with qpr (Money) and was only 43 and all ye "fans" are calling for him what sensible person wud release decent defenders no one how can u make a defence better with no money all ye sg Bates haters have caused this ye are the reason he lost his job because ye werent supporting the team at the end of the day

Snodgrass was not bought by Grayson

To be fair, neither was becchio. Both signed by mcalister. {Ed020's Note - both found by gwyn williams}

Grayson brought in 6 CB's and they are all ****

Snoddy and becchio were Gary Mac, but yeah see what youre trying to do and he deserves praise

"Simon has 6 centre-backs that he signed, why are they not good enough?"

Bruce: free
Paddy: crippled
Lees: youth
O'Dea: loan
Bromby: free
O'Brien: free

Well, I have a theory...

01 Feb 2012 17:36:15
really wanting di matteo to be leeds boss, gets the teams he manges playing nice football, solid defence effectively. PLEASE NOT WARNOCK-BATES + WARNOCK WILL NOT WORK. Di Canio never, either, a really poor manager from what ive seen at swindon. Wouldn't mind lee clarke from the town though...

01 Feb 2012 17:12:17
I want strachan to become the new manager! imagine everyone getting behind a complete Leeds legend, the atmosphere would be unbelievable!

We tried that with Gary Mac and look what happened, lost to Histon

Just like we got behind Allan Clarke, Billy Bremner, Eddie Gray, Gary McAllister...Strachan's management record is very poor - when will you people learn that the selection of a manager is an intellectual decision based on their performance AS A MANAGER in similar circumstances and stop looking to our past for inspiration.

01 Feb 2012 17:10:28
I don't believe what I'm reading on here today - with Grayson as manager fans were saying things like "nice guy" - "leeds through and through" but also "taken us as far has he can" - "tactically inept" - "club too big for him" - "won't stand up to bates" - but the second Neil Warnock is mentioned as his replacement who would stand up to bates does know his tactics and has a proven record with bigger clubs you are now saying "don't want him cos I don't like him" - make your mind up folks , nice guy or guy who gets things done

01 Feb 2012 17:00:35
Simon Grayson leaves #lufc with a win percentage of 49.7%.

Neil Warnock's best win percentage in 32yrs management was at Notts County -
43%.

Fergie is at 59%.

Big mistake - a few people on here are going to be eating a lot of humble pie over the next few months...

No money for players - no manager is going to improve things.

BATES OUT...

Whats win percentage got to do with owt?,compare the sides Warnock has taken up to Grayson,no brainer really.

Grayson's already won 2 promotions in 6 years of management. That's a much better ratio than Warnock. Check the facts, go back to school and learn some maths.

SG % includes playing in Tier 3 of English football wow great standard compared to EPL

Warnock's Premier League record is actually pretty dire...

01 Feb 2012 16:54:37
Used to like seeing Huddersfield,
Sheffield Utd and QPR get beat just because it was one in the eye for Warnock. Davies is not much better unfortunately warnock probably could do a a good job for us. Not sure how much I would enjoy the experience though if he or Davies was in charge. Poyet has still something to prove.
I like the way De Matteo gets his team to play. Wouldn't mind him. Good luck Simon. MOT

01 Feb 2012 16:47:09
Bates to hire Neil redfearn. You forget we have a tight chairman. He won't spend on new players let alone new managers like Warnock

01 Feb 2012 16:32:31
How about Ian Holloway, he'd be a great manager for a great club

MOT

01 Feb 2012 16:19:35
Okay, So Grayson has been sacked. To be fair, it was inevitable. If we'd have beaten Birmingham, his sacking would have only been prolonged. Don't get me wrong, I like Grayson, but he wasn't good enough at the end of the day. You only need to look at what happened to Blackpool when he left, they shot up the league. It seems to me he had a problem with getting the most of the players. And I believe, in general that we have a good squad (apart from the defence, which 'STILL' needs addressing!).

As long as we get the right replacement, there is no reason we shouldn't push for at least the playoff's. We need someone who can get 100% out of everyone, and unfortunately, that wasn't Grayson.

MOT..........

01 Feb 2012 16:12:58
I honestly do feel sorry for Simon,with him being a Leeds Fan himself he obviously wanted to do the best for his home team., there where some good games I'll remember during his managerial reign, for me beating Man U away what a day out that was, And last season Burnley and Middlesbrough away stand out,I think he has probably taken the club as far as he could and due to what ever circumstances whether it be funds or his managerial skills I don't think he would have got us promoted.

01 Feb 2012 15:56:23
I want Bates in for me for many years to come! I don't care the stick that you will give me for saying that. As I believe that Bates criticism will disappear as soon as the club get a new manager, that manager will bring in success to the club and will certainly clear the dross the Grayson has assembled. We all know when a team is successful the moaners go away and that is what will happen with Leeds. There are so many worse chairmen in the Football league, premier league we should count our selves lucky.

As for Grayson he was inept and earned the sack for himself! well done Ken good decision!

So Ken are you pleased with yourself, i know it's you, you know!! Listen my friend if it is you would you kindly give whoever comes in to our glorious club just a few bob so we can get Duberry back, even he would look good in this defence.!!

You allowed on here Mr Harvey?

You my chum is living in cloud cookoo land, ken bates is a sneaky son of a b*tch! he owns a company but says he doesnt then does again! he pays out millions on a stand that we dont even own, he says there's a transfer budget but so obviously isnt otherwise sg would have bought some one! who would have a "budget" and only deal in the loan market and free's NO ONE would not even sg! i just wished he jacked it in earlier with his head held high and spilled the beans in the bearded tw*t! good luck sg for the future thanks for what you did! BATES OUT! m.o.t

Bates said 3 players had to leave before we signed anyone else on a permanent well we got rid of 1 player so that explains no incoming transfers, simple as that really nobody wants our dross.

01 Feb 2012 15:49:10
I hope Simon Grayson now goes public on how Ken Bates runs this once proud club. Thank you Simon, you'll be missed.

All you who are rejoicing at this news are first-class, 100% idiots. Believe me, if you think this gives us a
chance of going up any time soon you must

You must what....? Get a grip pal your blind loyalty is pathetic. This is a results business, something had to change and it wasn't going to be Bates! The performances have been well below par just managing to beat 10 man teams, papering over massive cracks. The club needs a new approach both tactically and for someone who can manage/motivate the players better. No one says we will jump straight up to the prem this year, but now we can build a base again set on defending and being a harder team to beat. SG had simply run out of ideas and the excuses and interviews week in week out were painful, it was becoming ajoke

I hope he does too, because i'm confident the information that he would release would shut up the anti bates people as it will confirm what a good job bates is doing as our chairman.

Idiots is a generous word to use

Atlast commitment from kb
sorry to see sg couldnt do it but thats how it goes

Now now children. We are Leeds. I feel for Grayson, I believe he did a good job under difficult circumstances. It does reflect on the management of the club that this came the day after the transfer window closed. That makes no sense at all, and shows the club management to be what it is,one with no long term strategy to get Leeds back in the premiership. The thought of warnock at the club makes me sick,but I'll still be there next home game supporting whoever is in charge. I just want all those crowing over his departure to think about Nottingham forest, they did at the end of last season what we've just done, and look at them now. Grayson gave us some fantastic moments but was ultimately undermined by the lack of support from the board.

I agree with poster! as soon as bates is out of this club the better, sg may not have been the best manager but anybody who thinks bates is doing something good for this club is ****

01 Feb 2012 15:39:45
I think this woudl be a good time for Simon Grayson to make a press conference and tell us all the the TRUTH
about KB and Leeeds plans or lack of them !

I would like to see this happen to shut the anti bates brigade up, as he will not be able to say anything bad about bates.

SG last job in football

He will say things but they will all be good about Bates and Harvey. Trust me. His big pay off cheque will be on condition of his loyalty. Shame though it wiould be nice to hear the dirt.

01 Feb 2012 15:22:19
If Billy Davis is our new manager Leeds will lose a supporter. Hate the bloke and has no track record apart from turning his players against him
If Papa Smurf does one decent thing for Leeds and it's avoid that annoying little runt

Dont know how Leeds will cope without you bud.

Well said. i hate the fat arrogant rat. ill go to game tho just to sit in c18 and give him abuse. hate billy davies. hate dave jones. Bring back O'leary.

01 Feb 2012 15:23:10
Thanks Simon, you got us up into the championship but i do believe you have taken us a far as you can, its time for a more experienced manager.... MOT

Yes I agree...he simply wasn't getting the best out of the players. We are more than capable of being in the top 4 with the starting 11 we had out last night. No Plan b for SG...he came up short im afraid

01 Feb 2012 15:21:57
Neill is on his way! Now you WILL get promotion.

01 Feb 2012 15:17:47
i think Roberto di matteo has a gud chance to be the next lufc

He would be great acquisition and it would be like Leeds have signed 28 new players!

01 Feb 2012 15:17:06
Thoughts from the KB leadership school:

1. Timing as they say is everything.

If your club is safe from relegation, sack your manager after the transfer window has closed, that way your new manager doesn't have to have a transfer budget and cannot waste any of the clubs money on transfer fees


(more thoughts to be published on a topical basis)

Your probably right, but in the end I think our home form this season was his undoing.

01 Feb 2012 15:12:30
I said earlier that i would hate warnock in charge, but i would take warnock over steve bruce in an instant. Steve bruce imo is the worst manager ive ever seen with the worst tactics and the worst signings. I would beg for anyone else but bruce! I bruce takes over we will end up with heskey up front, the worst england player in history!

I dunno, Wes Browns up there

Heskey was like Roberto Baggio compared to Michael Ricketts.

The man was our best player in the last world cup :)

Mate, I couldve been our best player in the last world cup, did you not see the 1 on 1 he messed up against the Yanks, the best player in that world cup for us was beckham, and he didnt even play

01 Feb 2012 14:40:03
What did I tell you a month ago…? SG had to get 9 points from the next 12 or he was out on his ear. Now you have it. Warnock has been lined up to replace him (as I said at the time) because as most of us know, Bates doesn’t care about Leeds United, our history or our fans; he cares about Old Ken’s cheque book. Warnock isn’t a Premier League Manager, that’s been proved. But he’s a fantastic Championship manager and great at getting clubs into the Premiership and that’s all Ken cares about. Leeds >>> Premiership >>> Sell Club. Whether he survives that long remains to be seen…

01 Feb 2012 15:05:52
i think simon knew he was going before the brum game thats why o/b is back
good luck sg

It was either AOB out or SG out

It was either AOB or SG that had to go the club made the right choice.

01 Feb 2012 15:01:58
Can I just say Ken Bates programme notes last night was absolutely class and hilarious, talking about first hearing 'Bates Out' chants when his mom was in labour with him and that it's like water of a ducks back, it also appears that all protests in the world wouldn't change anything at Leeds United and nor should it well played bates 2 master strokes in 2 days!

And thats what makes him the most vile man in football

The most loved man don't you mean!

01 Feb 2012 14:46:43
i think from whoever is made manager we will know where we are going as a club.if its warnock or bruce theres no way they will come without the promise of funds and support.if its a croney such as curbishley or a manager from lower down then we know its just going to be same as with prob snoddy etc leaving.feel for grayson abit,he should have resigned as not supported but its the only hope of improving this season as a new manager often sees a turnaround.im sure we will get turned down by a couple of managers with bates still there but lets hope its the start of something positive..shrews leeds

Dont think grayson would of got paid out if he resigned

01 Feb 2012 14:44:10
I think the Leeds we once knew is going to change massively.. Whether it's a good change or a bad one, who can say? If we don't do something now, I think we'll be in the second division for manly years to come. MOT regardless

Agreed, very manly years

01 Feb 2012 14:41:55
as if some of you are cheering his sacking its like weve won promotion the way some of you are reacting, some you lot are a joke to this football club not Grayson

Yay Graysons been sacked, happy days, let the good times role on!

01 Feb 2012 14:38:12
Billy Davies.

Hope all the sg haters are happy,now you will get what you deserve a kb lakkie,promotion,no chance.

That you billy? dont want you, cheers

Defo must have is billy davies

I'm well happy

01 Feb 2012 14:33:12
It's a disgrace... Why sack Simon Grayson when he's done a fantastic job with a very limited budget. Why can't someone SACK BATES!!

Disgrace? Disgrace? Your a disgrace! hows he been fantastic?

Is that you Simon?

Because he owns us. Results dictate managers jobs, he did well to hang on as long as he did .

Shut up muppet best news this year

Someone should slap some sence into bates

So who do you think we should get in... same players, no budget... we'll be lucky if anyone applies for the job!?

Best news this year lol... and we're only starting February!! Muppet...

Best news in 3 1/2 years

01 Feb 2012 14:28:30
Simon sacked! News on OS & other sites BBC, Sky etc.

Feel he's been offered upm as a sacrificial lamb :-/

Just one thing please, please PLEASE NOT Warnock!!

Warnock has urned down Bates in the past,will he do it again?.

01 Feb 2012 14:26:31
Mick McCarthy anyone?

A true leeds fan and for me a good option but it seems billy davis is favourite and warcock second!!

Warnocks favourite and billy 'job done' is 6th favourite

01 Feb 2012 14:24:50
would like to thank Simon for everything hes done, been a credit to the club and WILL manage in the top flight one day, its a shame really idve liked to have seen him given till the end of the season, think youll all agree in saying BATES OUT!!

I agree entirely mate. Should've been given until the end of the season at least. One bad result doesn't make a season (fair enough there's been a few) but we're still in touching distance of the playoffs and what with Smith, Delph and Townsend added to the ranks we could still have made it into the playoffs... Good Luck Simon!

We have been going backwards under him he was leading us to relegation not promotion!

Not m Bates in for me I don't care the stick that you will give me for saying that. As I believe that Bates criticism will disappear as soon as the club get a new manager, that manager will bring in success to the club and will certainly clear the dross the Grayson has assembled. We all now when a team is successful the moaners go away and that is what will happen with Leeds. There are so many worse chairmen in the Football league, premier league we should count our selves lucky.

As for Grayson he was inept and earned the sack for himself! well done Ken good decision!

Wouldnt go that far

Well said that man ,does anyone know how many clean sheets weve had with grayson in charge.he did an ok job but not up to it.

01 Feb 2012 14:15:45
Good luck Simon. I think on the whole you did a good job with a very limited budget.

None of us will ever know what did and didnt happen behind the scenes.

It will be interesting to see what that miserable old Chelsea pr**k thinks anyone else is going to do with no budget though?

Or did Grayson not get budget because Bates had already lost faith? If this is the case then why the hell was Grayson not sacked prior to the window and someone else allowed to shape the team?

Alot of questions to be answered..........I certainaly won't be holding my breath for any replies from Bates and co though!

Anyway, good luck Simon, nice guy who did a decent job

MOT

Good luck in non league football SG thats what your next job will be, that’s probably above your level still!

Totally agree. He's obviously given him nothing to spend in January for a reason.

It's a joke. I've never actually said this before but........... BATES OUT!

I am reliably told that sg nearly went aftervthe burnish game but the winner 7 mins into et saved his bacon. Last nights handling of zigic was inept and reflected a lack of ideas. I'm sad to see it end like this but lufc had little choice with the defence issues continuing. Also told sg handling of aob's illness left a lot to be desired.

01 Feb 2012 14:11:48
Time for Simon Grayson to make a press conference and tell us all the the TRUTH about his tenure and Bates

BRING ON DAVID O'LEARY and GEORGE GRAHAM

Olearly or Graham I would have Graham said it yesterday!

If you knew what went on at ER under O'leary there is no way you would wnat him back

01 Feb 2012 14:09:00
i wonder why we spent no money yesterday but now no new signings for new manager unbelievable MOT

01 Feb 2012 14:03:44
Sacked in the morning, you got sacked in morning, sacked in the morning!!

Get in there best news ever, and long over due. Time for Leeds to build from this terrible situation Grayson got us in.

One very happy Leeds fan!

Wishing a manager to be sacked, what kind of fan are you!

It probably had to happen. However, describing yourself as "one very happy Leeds fan" is poor indeed. Just remember, he did well overall (if you look at his games played record), was massively committed, was a Leeds fan, gained promotion, put up with his best players being sold from under him and god knows what behind the scenes. He also never reacted to KB publicly in over 3 years. He desperately wanted Premiership for us, with us. I really really liked him. Yes he got it wrong towards the end, could not sort the defence and had a dubious transfer record, but I for one thank him and wish him well. One of my fav Leeds Managers and I have been supporting them a long while. He will get another job. Good luck Simon. Question is who's next?

A fan that knows that Grayson is useless, I want a manager who can actually manage.

Thats not even worthy of an actual response

It was for the good of the team

01 Feb 2012 14:00:49
Bye bye to Simon & the coaching staff. Who are we going to get now???

Vinny Jones and David Batty

Ninny & Batty would make a good team - may as well put their boots back on too.

David Batty HAS NO INTEREST in football coaching in any form. fact.

01 Feb 2012 13:57:36
Grayson and backroom staff sacked on ssn hope we get in someone that can take us forward,mot

01 Feb 2012 13:56:16
GRAYSON SACKED SSN !!

Get in there!

01 Feb 2012 13:48:37
Both grayson and bates need to go there making a total mess of are club so f*** off the pair of you?

Hes gone lol

Well Grayson has get in there, we will be awesome now I guarantee it. No more S**T management at our club, well happy

Dont count your chickens!

01 Feb 2012 13:05:30
Lies, bulls**t and no ambition .... you are making yourself look stupid Simon ..... stand up and be true to yourself and the fans !

BEEN SACKED!! SSN

01 Feb 2012 12:57:05
so sg blaming our'young' back 4 im sure ive heard him blame experianced guys too, never heard him or his back room team take resposibilty for tactical ineptitude or personel choices he looks bereft of confidence and a beaten man recycling the same excuses if he was a dog youd give him a cuddle

PLEASE post this for all of us sad Leeds fans to show how inept Grayson is
Grayson go now please Gj

Leeds United boss Simon Grayson believes the players should take plenty of confidence out of the game with Birmingham City despite losing 4-1 at Elland Road.

Grayson felt the side played as well as they have done all season at Elland Road for the first 60 minutes and they must keep believing that they can achieve something this season.

Then he should have bought experienced defenders in the transfer window and not say our squad is good enough then say they aren't when the window is closed

01 Feb 2012 12:49:46
Grayson states on OS that our young inexperienced defenders didn't cope well. Well I say our defenders haven't coped well for three years. Grayson you dope you are the manager do something about it.

01 Feb 2012 12:48:44
We need bates out of the club a few suggestions to what we should do boycott games, dont buy owt from club shop, protest before and after games, dont buy anything inside the ground food/drink

01 Feb 2012 12:10:24
SG OUT.

We were a massive club and we will be again.

I think that Bates does not believe in SG enough to fund any transfers and will sack him this summer (or sooner). I also think he will put money forward to the right man for a full promotion charge.

Lets just hope we get the right man.

Or he thinks any spending will knack us up again? or hes as tight fisted as we all know he is

As the original poster it appears I was spot on.

01 Feb 2012 12:09:25
the only sack Grayson deserves is one full of cash given to him by our tight fisted board

Well he got the 1 he deserved!

01 Feb 2012 12:21:16
Does KB listen to us? No

Does SG let us pick the team? No

Are we listened to at ER at all? No

Do we want to do something to voice our concerns? Yes

BOYCOTT THE HOME GAME AGAINST SOUTHAMPTON.

Its on Sky anyway.

I am a season ticket holder and though it pains me I will do this and hope many more fans will too. {Ed001's Note - what exactly does boycotting a game achieve?}

Exactly my point Ed {Ed001's Note - I fully understand people want to do something, but they need to stop and think first and make sure the action they take is the right one.}

Ed good question

We are currently achieving nothing by chanting etc. No matter what we do it is unlikely to have any affect, however I want SG out and if gates fall I believe KB will axe him. Hopefully this will lead to a manager who can organise a defence.
It is not all about having a large transfer budget as Swansea and Norwich have proved and to the opposite end Leicester are proving this season.
It is about tactically setting up a team and firing them up to perform at a consistently high level. SG does not do this and I would argue that with any fan.

01 Feb 2012 11:31:52
morcambe and wise, the 2 ronnies, hale and pace, laurel and hardy, abbot and costello, enter the name of bates and grayson true comedy.

They don't make me laugh, but they are good entertainment for opposing supporters.

The krankies

Turner and hooch!

01 Feb 2012 11:22:26
Go Grayson tell Bates where to stick his transfer budget.

01 Feb 2012 11:10:30
If our budget is so tight, why do we constantly waste it paying high wages to loanees? Instead we should be looking at cheap permanent signings, akin to what Norwich, or Swansea did. The theory is, as has been said by Grayson many times, sign from the premiership, get premiership quality, sign from below get less than premiership quality. Only problem is though the two clubs mentioned above have both utilised the lower leagues effectively and are absolutely thriving. Delph, Townsend, Smith and even O'Dea might be decent players but when the backs to the wall they know that at the end of the season they will be going back to their clubs and there is no problem. The players are out there for our budget, we would just rather pay the money on wages for loan players.

01 Feb 2012 11:02:14
Bates out.

Why are we only signing players on loan, they have no interest/desire to play for Leeds as past history has shown we very rarely sign loan players on full time contracts.

We constantly sign players on loan only to see to go back to their clubs at the end of the loan period, for a team to be consistant you need to have players that are on a contract.... can anyone tell what the last team was to win promotion/ a cup with half a team of loanees. Our once proud club has become a laughing stock & feeder club for other clubs (& i include all for divisions).

How can peterborough offer 1.9m for 2 crawley players & we cant muster together £1.90p for a permanent signing.

We will always under achieve while Bates continues to line his own pockets & please dont give me crap about it being Grayons fault he can only work with what he is given in the way of a budget.

Can say this no other way

F**K Bates you lieing cheating B*****D

Good point about peterborough and the supporters dont pay £31 to see their team get stuffed

Bates will not give Grayson any money the guy is running this club for his own sake and he has all his snakes working for him down at the training ground so they can keep an eye on things if i was Grayson i would tell him to stick his job where the sun doesn't shine, we are a great club with fantastic fans and history but we are getting left behind so many clubs in so many ways bates and his snakes need to sell up and leave and let someone take the club as a whole forward

BATES OUT

Whilst we still have players like Rachubka, Bruce and Paynter in the squad who are pulling a wage, and whilst our wages are £2M over budget, how can we manage that? We've got a first team squad of nearly 30 players, some on loan, granted, but all of them pulling a wage.

If Grayson wants money, perhaps he should have sold/cancelled the contracts of some of the deadweight and put that towards paying the wages of a Clingan or whoever.

bates may hold the purse strings, but Grayson has been given a budget, he just isn't using it well. Just like he doesn't get the best out of the players (particularly in defence)

Whilst I do think Bates is very secretive and has his own interests at heart, the failure of the club is not in his interests. If Grayson doesn't turn it around, I'm sure he will go in the summer. I have no doubt. And some other poor unsuspecting stooge will be left to pick up the pieces of the lacklustre, unmotivated, underachieving squad he has assembled.

Bates, however, is going nowhere. Call him all you like, it wont rile him, it will just make him more determined.

If you were a business man and your manager kept signing donkeys, would you trust him with more money? Or would you wait, put in place a strong replacement and funding for the next man and then sack your manager?
SG OUT

When Grayso goes and leeds get in a new manageer you won't say any of this thats for sure!

Totally agree mate. I renewed my Season Ticket yesterday but to be honest it was more to do with the fact I would miss the craic with the lads I sit near than anything to do with the football.

I know we won't be playing Premiership football next season, I just hope we reach 50 points as soon as possible to be virtually certain of staying up.

How can we not sign a commanding centre half who knows the basics and can actually mark players properly and head a ball?

I agree, as a club we are a laughing stock. The unfair thing is, we the fans, who pay good money to watch this rubbish,are also a laughing stock.

01 Feb 2012 10:39:55
WHY oh WHY Is Grayson still in Charge ????
I hate to say it we should boycott our next 3 home games or until grayson goes.. Lets get the attendance down below 10,000 and talk with our feet. We are in free fall again and nobody seems to care, WELL I DO !!! Gj

I wont boycott games cos of grayson, best man for the job.

Good luck with about 100 people who want grayson out then, massive boycott there aint it

01 Feb 2012 10:28:33
Simon Grayson set to loan a set of balls until the end of the season with a view to a permanent move please!!

01 Feb 2012 09:38:47
The names BATES and GRAYSON will go down in Leeds United Folklore!

That's if there is a LEEDS UNITED left.

01 Feb 2012 09:32:00
As a life long leeds fan, and having
watched a totally inept performance
last night i have a couple of requests.

BATES OUT! NOW

and will the Australian consortium
we are hearing about please put
up or shut up.

I fully support the lads and Simon
but you cant build a team without
money and all ours is in Monaco

Grayson signs the players, devises the tactics and motivates the players. His signings have been so poor we are stuck with them as no one else will have them. Too high a wage bill and if we did bring in any more of Grayson's selections it would likely be more of the same and the problem would just get bigger. It is Bates' club if he went who knows who would come in. As much as I dislike Warnock its time we had someone of his calibre managing the team. Bates will go when he chooses Grayson should go as soon as possible. It will have to be the end of the season unless Bates will spend money on players now(wages) as well as compensation for SG. As promotion this season seems out of the question and we are almost safe relegation I would wait till the end of season although my gut feeling is that I would feel better if it happened now.

01 Feb 2012 09:17:20
Apart from the result last night the worst thing to see was Grayson just standing doing nothing. He did not try to alter things round, he did not use any subs to try and effect the game, he did not even try to gee the players up just stood looking totally lost. Thanks for what you have done, time to go.

I would not have changed things around with that subs bench, nothing much he could do as they were playing really well but just got battered in a freaky 20 min spell. bring in obrien and smith into that back four and we will go up easy playing like that. the lack of quality on the bench just shows the appalling constraints he is having to work under due to bates.

01 Feb 2012 08:59:38
all these coments that grayson made about making these signing never came off like normal, bates saying that we had money to spend if needed yet no more signings like normal,only a young loanee from spurs,(results do not lie,how can you trust these two running our club),get these pair of clowns out of our club.

01 Feb 2012 07:39:44
I've been sticking up for Grayson saying its because he has not got any money off bates to buy players which might be true but I've now changed my mind and think that we need a new manager. I quite like the idea of Billy Davies as manager . he knows how to motivate a team most of the time and his can defend . I don't want to see Neil Warnock in-charge he does my head in.maybe Steel a manager from league bellow but cant see bates wanting to pay the other club for his services

Davies also knows how to fall out with a board for lack of transfer fees

01 Feb 2012 06:47:30
I hate to say this, but I really do think it is time for Grayson to take a long hard look at himself and what he is doing for Leeds.

Yes, he's taken us out of League One, but our performances this season have started to become dire, with lucky late goals and opposition players being sent off.

And tonight we make a fantastic start with McCormack scoring first, having most of the possession, more shots on target - and get hammered 4-1?

If other results had been different we'd have dropped more than one place!

Simon - move on now and realise you've done about as much as you can for the team.......

01 Feb 2012 04:09:02
What have we done to deserve this?

Turned up week in week iut and supported our club

01 Feb 2012 01:22:35
for Petes sake, hes not gonna get sacked no matter how many of you cry about it!!!! what will changing it NOW do since theres no transfer window, give the guy till the end of the season and THEN sack him if were not in the top 6 places, lets face it, i feel theres more going on behind the scenes involving our beloved board which is hampering Leeds United, not our management team, if players are snubbing us for the premier league and more money, then what can the poor guy do? football is a BUSINESS, its not about playing for the team anymore, its about earning the best damn wage you can get after your playing days are over and playing in the highest division possible, if Bates is gonna offer a player a terrible wage, theyre not going to sign

For petes sake the board don't have anything to do with the team, SG sacked and thats it! it will resolve all your board issues as the new manager will be more successful than SG on the same budget so the anti bates stuff will stop.

What about tactics, what about motivating players,what about man management - does none of that count- we are currently a poor side with loanees and cheapies that have no confidence playing poor tactics - now who's job is it to sort that out

Oh for Petes sake pipe down

What can the poor guy do? He can try by teaching the team how to defend!! From someone who has supported SG for far too long.

F**k for Pete's sake, why for the Fans sake.

MOT

Who is this Pete guy? Could he be the new manager. It can`t get any worse!

What the motivation of? oh, jump higher than the worlds tallest striker who plays for the best team in the championship?!

31 Jan 2012 23:45:34
How on earth can we sit here and slag Leeds off after tonight? We dominated the majority of the game, and were undone by one tactic that we simply could not defend against...Put it on the 6'7 strikers head! 4 goals, 3 were headers. Unless we have a player to match, we will always struggle. The performance had it's positives, but 3 goals in 7 minutes hurt badly. The result looks bad, yes, but it's not as bad as it seems!

On a different subject...Alan Smith (forgetting the past etc, just rating him as a footballer) and Freddie Ljungberg have signed for MK Dons...Could they not have done a job for us?

Adam Smith will be a decent signing for us, and hopefully AOB will start performing for us and create much-needed competition and cover at CB. Charlie Taylor has gained some more experience at Bradford, which is only a good thing. Robbie Rogers looks a star in the making, he justs needs to adjust to English-style training etc and then to the game, I have no doubt he'll cope very well.

At time of writing this, there's 15mins left of the window...Anyone coming in last minute?

Did the window shut an hour later where you live or did it take you an hour to start writing before you finished it? Alan Smith and Ljunberg could not have done a job for us as 2 more Brown's on £15k a week crap and past it plus our midfield is the least of our problems. The mere fact that you have made this suggestion is laughable in itself. The fact that you have completely overlooked Graysons incompetency since he has been the manager for Leeds.

I don't think SG even realises now that what Leeds did wrong tonight is not cutting the supply of crosses off and not putting a 5ft6 defender marking a 6ft7 striker, it's really that simple. His half time team talk must have been amazing as leeds was great for the first 30 mins before more inadequate defending that Grayson has been unable to eradicate from the team happened.

Grayson can not and has been proven not to be able to get consistent performance from our players he has lost the dressing room, his media statements are ridiculous and incompetent, he is tactically inept, and his transfer record is appalling.

Resign or be sacked

Wow - a tactic we couldn't defend against- every other team in the league seems to manage to defend against it so who's fault is that- 3 years on and we still can't do a basic thing like defend against a big striker- tactics are the coaching teams job as is signing players that can do the job,again who's fault is that

Bates for not supplying the guy with any F***ING MONEY!! and when he does its peanuts

I'm no bates fan but does he choose what tactics the team plays

If every other team can deal with them how come thy've won 6 in a row and are unbeaten in 10? Bad result but those who were there know it was actually one of our best performances for the first hour. Becchio cost us the game by missing chances I'd expect my 4 year old daughter to score blindfolded...

Midfield does need strengthening still as we still need a player who can just sit an hold just like smith,defence fell to bits but what do you expect there's no experienced players in there .we struggle against nearly every team with big strong players.if kisnorbo and o'brien had been fit and up to still then we would have a decent defence already. its not easy to replace players with decent players without the money to beat off competition

If bates only gives him a shoestring budget in a way he does dictate what tactics and what team plays those tactics, as the manager cannot afford to get in better players due to bates?

31 Jan 2012 23:35:25
'well there were a few deals that didn't quite come through on the day. They went to the premier league which shows the quality of player we were looking to sign' - Grasyon, tomorrow

I think he will be in the dole queue tomorrow tbh, well I hope so!

Well then hes got a point aint he lol cant slag that off

31 Jan 2012 23:28:13
Heard George Graham the other day he is desperate to get back into football as a coach not manager, he was so enthusiastic and believes he has allot to offer was even talking about league clubs. For me SG is useless and should be sacked but if not bringing Graham in as a 1st team coach would be guaranteed success! {Ed001's Note - I remember Sly Sports used to do a tactics talk thing with Graham, he knows more about defending and defensive tactics than anyone I have ever known. I really don't understand why no one has got him in to coach a team. In the modern era it would be easy to keep him away from transfers, if that is the worry.}

You are right Ed and the guy is desperate to get back in the game I just don't understand it, it's not even a gamble he is proven to get results. {Ed001's Note - I will never understand what has happened, I can only think he has upset the wrong person somewhere down the line.}

01 Feb 2012 00:07:44
Never thought I would say this - but tonight I'm actually ashamed to be a Leeds fan - Bates is a disgrace, Grayson(who I have always supported) doesn't have a clue anymore, the backroom staff are hopeless- I'm sick of feeding Bates pockets and being disappointed at every transfer window, why is it that only the fans can see that our defence is sh#te - why are we keeping players who can't cut it but let the good ones go- why are we not buying the players we need and that were promised would come - where is the money going - let's face it Leeds are in trouble and unless something changes soon will only get worse - I know the Rose tinted brigade are going to disagree but even they must see that we are in free fall soon

I guarantee under a new manager the Bates regime will seem so much better and there wouldn't be half as much complaining as there is now as Leeds would be successful.

Yes i no but i will say one thing march ontogether

31 Jan 2012 23:15:40
23 year old defensive midfielder with an eye for a pass and a mix of aggression and flair, free agent, will play for rent money. yes this is me making myself available, can't do much worse than Delph in the second half!

Could be like brown