Leeds Banter Archive December 21 2011

 

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21 Dec 2011 22:59:48
Just a short one ,on this web site and others other clubs fans ie sheff u derby notts florist and a few in prem have been saying Leeds are no longer the rivals off manc s in red .And it's in our heads they dont even think about the mighty LUFC .Just have a listen to the first 10 mins v Fulham tonight ,watt are they singing we all hate who ,Even they want us back !! Don't worry it will not be long untill we are heading to old toilet on mass

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21 Dec 2011 20:50:35
Just read Sky Sports website to see Bates mouthing off about how now he won't 'panic' buy players in the transfer window to get us promoted. Well what the hell is his plan because only 2-weeks ago he was shouting about how we MUST be promoted this year, and how our fans 'deserve' it. We're in serious danger of dropping out of the playoffs, and 3 good/established players is what we need which WILL cost money. The guy is a scumbag and robbing our beloved club blind...

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Panic buy as in not just sign rubbish for the sake of it. Fairly ure he also said that talks were already ongoing behind the scenes for transfers. Not panic buying, is different to not buying.

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First response correct another anti bates poster who will use anything to manipulate the truth. Grayson needs to sell before he buys thats a fact.

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I read that interview and what Bates said made perfect sense to me. He said the banks wont loan you money for players but would for infrastructure.With the new financial fair play rules coming into effect soon this all makes perfect sense for the long term health of Leeds United

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Say what you want guys but the past doesn't lie. We haven't invested properly in our team for years! Summer was a prime example

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You're right, the past doesn't lie. Were dropped from the Premiership, all our assets were sold, we went into administration, were relegated from the Championship, and had to rebuild - all through financial mismanagement.

What's your point?!

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Why do we need to go to the banks for transfer money ,the clubs owned by a multi millionaire and we have sold two first team players, oh but I forgot he's spent it on the stadium ,which only gets half full .that's why my pass money is in my pocket until that person sells the club .

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21 Dec 2011 19:50:58
I work at Manchester Airport customs.

I have just spoken to Max Gradel who had flown in in from France.
He tells me he will be rejoining Leeds United in January on a 3 year deal.

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Really??

Find this kind of rumour very hard to believe, he just happened to stop and talk to you openly about it?!

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I love jokers!!

Why would he fly to Manchester!

MOT

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He's playin today against psg so there's one logical explanation! And every1 knows what that is!!

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He's quit at st ettiene(spelling)?? Or this is absolut bull

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21 Dec 2011 18:49:28
go on sky sports leeds and see what bates as said about borrowing money for new players where as all the money gone from delph gradel kasper ect robbing us blind 612 for season tickets

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Disgraceful.

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Said he won't. Said banks won't lend for that. Will lend for long term plans ie for the stadium. Means for players Leeds have to spend within their means, just as all clubs should really.

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2nd poster you are right, bates was basically saying he will not do a Risdale and he would only allow us to work within our finances. As for lending for long term projects makes perfect sense as that will bring in revenue long term. Some people are either uneducated or they choose to interpretate things in a way that clearly show their hatred of bates, he is the chairman deal with it.

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Bates made perfect sense to me unlike some of the nonsensical hate posts. Believe it or not Bates and Leeds appear to have a long term sensible business strategy. Look what the club has been through over the last decade due to overspending for short term reward.Do we really want to go through another Ridsdale era, no! Be smart people

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Why are we spending money on a ground we dont even own

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21 Dec 2011 16:51:11
Leeds INS: beckford, Robbie keane, Paul Robinson, lee bowyer, Fabian Delph, Johnny woodgate, Eric lichaj, max gradel, Bradley Johnson, micheal duberry, fraz Richardson, and how could I forget Alan smith, Sven groin strain eriksson while replace mr Grayson when he loses if job for having such a poor record after getting Leeds promoted out of league 1 and a 7th finish in his first season back in the championship

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Sorry simon. better get back to that physio

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I want some of what youve been drinking

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This guy talks sense!

I love jokers!

MOT

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21 Dec 2011 15:31:02
leeds will sign alan smith in january to help cover for howson they will pay him 20 000 per week to entice him back grayson will hope it will make fans believe they do spend money when they find qaulity

do you think we should bring him back yes or no

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Smith is not coming back!!! get it into your skull

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When they find quality haha

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21 Dec 2011 15:19:18
We have the best fans in the world & a very large loyal fan base. We need to be asking ourselves why is no body putting in any offers to buy the club, my guess is it is not all that Mr Bates says. If we have money show us it & lets get in some quality players, if we do that & we fail to get into the premiership then that is the time to judge SG & the players...not before

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Its down for Grayson and Harvey to spend the money not bates. I question just how we have the best fans at the moment when attendances are down, we boo are players from the pitch, we create a terribly tense atmosphere on match days this season and the fans are split about whether Grayson should be our manager.

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Try looking at the job situation and economy.

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How does anyone know whether there are offers for the club or not?

Would you sell a 'cash cow' just because the people who keep putting in the cash complain?

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Agree on the point about the fans - how can we truly be the best fans in the world when so many people whine and complain about things they clearly have no idea about, the best example being protesting to get Bates out - he owns the club for gods sake and the only way he will go is either being bought out or croaking it!

Bates had some interesting points on an interview pre-match v hull earlier this season. He was basically saying that most of these rich investors want to either buy a club in or close to London (location location location etc) or have some natural attraction (man city's being the stadium for example). He also said that Leeds was less attractive due to us not owning a stadium or training ground ground. It makes sense, however annoying as its a huge expense to buy back an there are few assets. I also would guess his asking price is high but also maybe he's not actively looking until we get back to the premiership - and that's why he wants promotion this season, so he can sell and retire

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Isnt man city`s stadium owned by the council or was etc ?

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21 Dec 2011 15:00:07
I think if we sign someone this January then alot of ppl would be surprised, coz I don't think I saw 1 rumour about brown, forsell, keogh or Pugh etc till they actually signed or played in a reserve/pre season match, think loners was the only person that got mentioned that actually came, so I think most ppl are picking straws, just hope we do sign so talented players while are going to make the squad improve

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I think forssell was a panic buy by grayson personally. vayrynen is quality and pugh is good. but i think that lonners was the only considered transfer.

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Forssell was brought in as a knee jerk to Billy Paynter's awful form.

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First post is spot on. Only names i see on here are reguratated newspaper articles. Like Clingan, would anybody actually look at him and say he's exactly what leeds need had he not been linked to us? I don't think so personally.

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21 Dec 2011 14:34:50
Just a holding midfielder is all i ask for january, i hope for maybe 3 decent signings but def mid should be top of list and rest should fall into place. Come on SG lets play from the back instead of hit and hope.MOT

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21 Dec 2011 14:21:30
team that i think is realistic after and during jan

1-lonners
2-gunther
3-white
4-lees
5-any 100% fit centre back/ gimple should be given a chance
6-clingan
7-snoddy
8-clayton
9-mccormack/nunez
10-becchio/somma
11-townsend/sam

im pretty sure these could be realistic pending sommas injury and whoever larry brings in

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Would love to get clingan, not sure we could get gunter been realistic I'd rather us get templeton permanent than Townsend on loan tho he does look a good player, want to see talented signings instead of dead wood loanees

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Gunther would be at cut price with forest financial troubles.

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I dont believe that is how leeds will look after the transfer window. I dont think it is close thanks for the input but if Grayson is thinking that then he needs to be sacked.

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What do you suggest on the current budget we have?

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Clingan is rubbish fact ! northern ireland fan

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Im a leeds fan who lives in cov and sometimes watch cov and can say that he has had some great performances, hes the david batty type who can also produce a great set piece.

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In regards to Gunther, if they made him available, we would be priced out of any deal

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Gimpel (not gimple) is about 12 years old and his mum won't let him play out after 4

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21 Dec 2011 13:37:29
Why do people think Luciano hasn't been doing it? I know he wasn't fit, but he has had a good run of games now.

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You don't go to games. do you?

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In fairness, you are right. I can't get to games at present due to cash and geography. I haven't seen him this season (Other than in highlights), but have garnered from sites such as this, friends who do go, and match reports that he has been poor. So the question remains.....why isn't he doing it?

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Sometimes it takes time to return from injury, it takes even longer when you play in a team that is playing as bad as Leeds have been recently. The service to him has been terrible and he needs to have a pre season expect nothing from him until next season.

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Because he's lost it. He can seem to finish anymore and is so slow

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Because he still isnt fit, he was out for 6 months difficult to come back form a long layoff

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Poor service. he had Snoddy, Max and Jonny all creating chances for him last year.

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Re poor service yes he got over 20 goals last season this season look at how he is supplied, to rmind you long ball.

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Our formation last year was built to have Becchio as the focal point, in such a formation Becchio shines because he's great at attacking a ball when it's crossed in, but in a 4-4-2 with McCormack, he is more of a foil to McCormack so consequently doesn't have as many chances so isn't really practiced in taking them at the moment, also last season we had two wingers who would beat a player and cross the ball in, this season we have one.

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21 Dec 2011 12:35:50
i did maths degree at uni and to me it seems simple- get rid of the dead weight, about 8 or 9 of them and that should free up reasonable wages for 3,4 or even 5 better players.....simple! why is it so hard for grayson?

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You dont need a maths degree to work that out pmsl, jeez good luck for the future

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Get rid of grayson while we are at it.he wont ever take us up

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It was more like a crack at grayson and more at shaun harvey for being the pudding that he is. you on the other hand i will inform you my life is very good and the degree is serving me well

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The original point is a valid point, stop being side tracked by his degree congrats btw). Its something i have said since pre season and I received lots of abuse for saying as much. My point is Leeds are never going to get promoted under Grayson.

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Yea i agree but i dont get the degree bit but thanks for the mention lol, dont expect bigger names coming in, cant remember that last time we had a big name in our club unless their in their 30's {Ed007's Note - What's a maths degree got to do with anything?? LMAO strange thing to boast about on a football forum :-) My nephew recently passed his forklift/dumper driving ticket at his work, he thinks Leeds are good for a play-off place this season, I've said that all along but now it's got a bit more credence to it.}

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What is it recently that people are putting their qulafications or their jobs in thier posts? I for one dont care what they do or what exams they have passed .

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Agree with the point directly above- Just give your opinion on the football issues we are all here to discuss.

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Think the original post meant that you don't have to be a rocket scientist to work out that we need to offload the dead wood, and free up some wage money, Best I don't mention my ONC, HNC, CDM, ESB, HSB, IPA, WTF, and LOL?

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21 Dec 2011 12:31:39
Lonergan
Licjaj lees gimple white
smithy
snoddy. rogers
Clayton. Andrews
Becchio

451.

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Alot of people would disagree with smith, maybe clingan and thats a solid team. gimple definately needs his chance or he will go elsewhere

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Do you even know rogers or seen him play? smithy not coming back, gimpel not going to get straight into squad another useless post

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Weird post.you have prob never seen rogers play at all,andrews will stay in prem once ipswich has fin and as for lichaj,my colleague is a massive villa fan and he was playing well till he was injured and the way they are doing they wont let him go.hutton on his last legs at villa so lichaj will step in.
what we need is proven players who may be available.danny rose on loan,hulse or sharp,if ken would pay,clinghan yes as cov need to sell.kane even from spurs.wilson from liverpool as cb.these are quality not american potential from a mickey mouse league or a player who refused us to go to ipswich for more dosh and will have plenty of clubs paying more than us again this time round..shrew leeds

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Is there people out there that still think were going to sign smith? Really? Glad your not in charge of the club

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All that the crap smith rumour needs is for Grayson to say publically we are not interested in smith he is not on our raider. Like wolves did with Ross today its easy to put to bed, and would stop the speculation.

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Andrews is a good player done brill for ipswitch fingers crossed but doubt it, would love to pinch a couple of forest players for cut price like mcgugan and gunter

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21 Dec 2011 11:57:40
If we want a winger(robbie rogers) that must mean we are either selling snoddy or not signing danny pugh but that has supposidly already a done deal snoddy going to everton?

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No it doesn't we dont have cover or options on the wings.

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21 Dec 2011 11:55:31
Possible January Ins:

Pugh - Stoke - £250,000
Keogh - Wolves - £200,000
Wilson - Liverpool - Loan
Shelvey - Liverpool - Loan
Gunter - Forest - £200,000

Possible January Outs:

Bruce - Huddersfield - £125,000
O'Brien - West Ham - £200,000
Paynter - Brighton - £150,000
Rachubka - Tranmere - Loan
Parker - Carlisle - Loan

Lets hope some of these deals take place plus a few others, we need to give White, Snoddy, Clayton, Howson and McCormack long term deals and build around them.

Alot of the deadwood needs to go and build for the future, in my opinion we need to get rid of the likes of O'Brien, Paynter, Rachubka, Bromby, Nunez, Connolly and Forssell these players are simply not good enough lets be strong get rid bring in some young and hungry talent and give the second half of the season a real push.

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Agree with everything apart from nunez! scored 5 in 5 starts and 8 sub appearances and gets played outta position, hes been more creative than any player when he comes on from the bench

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Gunter will be worth more than that, think shelvey will stay at liverpool now and dont get rid of nunez

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The price agreed for Pugh is 500k

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The price is £500k that doesn't mean that we will pay as much as £500k they want rid and he wants to come to us we are in a position to at least ask the question. As for 2 prem players coming in Pugh and Keogh thats he 2.

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21 Dec 2011 09:31:06
Everyone seems to read to much into Grayson saying money is available. Yes funds are available, but our wage structure is the problem. Whatever Bates says is irrelevant, if we can't pay Beckford, Johnson, Killkenny, n soon Howson n White enough, then the problem to me seems clear!

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Wage structure, it's not a strict amount of say £10k max for a player it is a budget, this is the main problem ith having such a huge squad as that means that there is less in the budget. We have a 28 man squad we should get rid of Paynter and yes we are paying the majority of his wages still, bruce, Rachubka, Mik Taylor, O'brien, Bromby, Parker, Brwon for a start that would then leave Grayson with a bigger budget

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I realise it's a total amount, as bates said, it's linked to the transfer budget. However there must also be a ceiling in place otherwise why have we lost out on the players we want, and can't keep the players we had/have? Its there job, so within reason it's 'to the highest bidder' and thats to be expected. Not saying we should pay over the odds, but either the ceiling is to low, or our negotiation team don't know a players market value.

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The reason why we have 'lost out on players we want' is because we didn't want them enough or there wasn't room in the budget because of our current spend which from last data was amongst the highest in the league. The people who make the football decisions are Grayson and Harvey if they don't believe a player is worth what they are asking for then they wont pay it, very similar to the arsenal situation. I believe that given what we are rumoured to be paying o'brien and brown we have paid over the odds on the belief by Grayson that they are worth it. Grayson said publicly that there isn't a ceiling price in place but he works to a budget when you consider that we are amongst the highest in the league for total wage spend we the fans cant then moan at bates. Its down to mainly the manager as to who is in our squad he is given the freedom to do as he pleases within the parameters set.

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21 Dec 2011 09:03:20
daily mail is rubbish, all papers are rubbish, no one signs for us until it is on the official site!

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No s**t sherlock.

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Well you got goons posting on here not rumours but saying we have signed an unkown american

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21 Dec 2011 00:43:50
Can I just ask who other than Clayton and maybe lonergan has grayson signed that's any good? Opinions please lads

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Sorry forgot Ross..

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Billy paynter

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Paul rachubka

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Somma

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Gradel

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Lonners, Schmiechel, Rosco, Nunez n Somma signed while he was in charge I think, Gradel, Lloyd Sam. Then you have Vayrenen who hopefully now fit will have an impact. All the above players signed for around 500k. He may of signed some poor players, but he has not PAID for poor players. When you pay peanuts you get monkeys, were lucky to have a manager who has built a team for nothing to sit 6th at Xmas.

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Sam Sodje was great on his short loan spell. Somma was a good signing, has done well for us in the past. Naylor, Gradel, Paddy K,

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Gradel

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Alex bruce, rachubka, neil collins, paul connelly,

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Take into account loan players and there lichaj & McCarthy

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Paul Connolly?? Ha, ha, ha - he is utter rubbish. Can't head, tackle or pass.

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Why all the c**p about Connolly? He is a decent right back who can tackle, pass and put a decent cross into the box. Why he gets so much stick is beyond me. Must be from our army of armchair fans!!

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The reason that he gets stick is because he is average, and teams don't win anything by being average look at who we let go Richardson at Southampton and that might explain some fans frustration there is no comparison between the two.

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Thanks lads, but out of all the players he's signed he never really plays the good ones, n there's not many! Ie nunez, Ross now, somma last season, sam for long periods.. this is y he appears clueless in some areas to me, like signing players!

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21 Dec 2011 00:18:43
I have been considering things a while and feel SG needs this transfer window and reasonable cash (£1m min) to make changes. Failing this what do we think?
Brian McDermott or kenny jacket? Time to be realists guys we no prem team attracting no prem manager

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