Leeds Banter Archive January 22 2012

 

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22 Jan 2012 23:23:44
Can someone tell me what happened with Ben Parker?

All I've heard is a few dodgy rumours about Howson. {Ed013's Note - He is back from injury and looking for a loan move to gain full fitness. However, his contract is up at end of season}

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He needs getting shut of,along with half a dozen others,therein lays the problem,half of our squad is more suited to lower league football,buy getting rid wont be easy,would free up more money for signings though,the team is now stronger with Delph in and Howson out,hope SG pulls it off by signing Delph all season,then buying him back,couple more quality signings and weve still a good chance of promotion,so all you boo boys STFU and get behind the team and SG.

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Damn right

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qa result is a result, I get behind the team but that doesn't mean we have any chance of going up whatsoever.get into your thick skulls we are a championship team and will be for a fair while or worse if we are left with who's running the club.this is not fiction it's fact.until the keeper went off Ipswich were the better team {Ed020's Note - a win is a win, chin up eh, crazier things have happened}

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Cant see villa wanting less for what they paid for delph in the first place unless we can get some money for promotion

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Taken from the yep from a fans view.
As the YEP seem to be a little less 'frightened' of upsetting Bates, how about running a story on Ben Parker's pre-match appearance in the Pavillion on Saturday and glove puppet Lorimer's reaction? For those of you that haven't heard, Parker took to the stage to address the fans and give his views. He decided to speak the truth about the Howson deal (good lad) and say it how it is. He stated that Howson is devastated at being forced to leave the club. He does not want to go but has been told by BatesHarvey that Leeds United need the money. He was offered an extra £400 a week (on top of his current reported £4k a week) and he rightly refused and requested parity with the clubs top earners (Paynter, Becchio, Brown etc who are reportedly around £11k a week). Surely as club captain he deserves a deal that puts him up there and takes him off his League 1 deal? Bates & Harvey have not offered him a second, improved offer therefore forcing him out. He's gutted. New baby, new house, all his family and friends local and captaining his local team. His old man is scathing too. Good on Parker for speaking his mind. He's done it 'cos he's nearly out of contract and knows he's on his way out. He'll be shipped out on loan today to Carlisle. Lorimer then jumped in and took the microphone off Parker and was abused by the crowd. No respect left at Leeds for Lorimer which is sad to see but he really has become a lap dog to Bates. Alos Aidy White will not sign as he has been offered a rise of £500 a week to make him up to £2500 a week. Forcing him to leave so we get the compo as he's under 24. Bates out

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This is all BS, that is all I will say

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22 Jan 2012 22:17:29
Look at the facts Bates is worth 30 million that makes us in the bottom three richest clubs in the championship. There are teams in the Leagues below us that can offer better wages. We will not get anywhere with his ownership. At the start of the 2010/11 season four four two said bates was worth 20 million pounds, he is now said to be worth 30 million on Wikipedia and various other places. He is definitely lining his pockets with money that should go back in to the team. He is a cancer in our club and we desperately need someone to buy us. It is a modern miracle where Grayson has took our club with the investment he has been given. Grayson in Bates out!!!! MOT

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To all the armchair experts out there, for one I would rather Leeds be worth an extra £10m than be close to not existing.
Then at least I have a club to support, through thick and thin, no matter where they are in the league, they are still Leeds, without the help of Mr Bates, that may not have been the case today.
Mr Bates is a business man, so what if he sells the club for a profit, that is why it is called business.
Reading apparently being sold to rich overseas people, that is what you are up against, lets see,
" heh Randy, just got the chance to buy a famous English soccer team"
"really Buddy, you mean Leeds United are for sale?"
"no Randy, its Reading"
"who? is that not what we teach our kids at school?"
some of you may get the my irony.

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All these things that state wealth are people guessing, you think bates will let anyone see what he is worth! if he does what h did at chelsea getting them into premiership, steadied the ship then sold to a multi billionaire, will you all slag him off then! dont care about bates only leeds and long term success will need patience because believe it or not no one as bought us or is likely to buy us especially can you see someone coming to elland road to watch what there investment would be like and the fans do nothing but slag off the chairman and manager!! so they could spend millions lose money as all these clubs do, out of there pockets and get all the grief, and then think balls to this i will go and buy southampton or reading! who are crap but there fans are not living on memories! been a fan 36 years and i live in scum land but my team LEEDS UNITED in what ever form are the best in the world! get behind the team and get us back there MOT

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22 Jan 2012 22:15:14
What's with the negative comments for the last 3 games? I went to two of them and it doesn't matter how we win it we won it so let's get behind the lads and believe as fans we can get Into those play-off positions because I will follow the lads all the way no matter what anybody can beat anybody in this league and were gonna have our ups and downs but we will be still marching on together! {Ed020's Note - a win is a win end of the day, aslong as the points come in, what does it matter how we won it!! good point raised!}

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Cant rely on the ref to keep sending opposition players off. Lets face it we would have lost all three games with 11 v 11.

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How do you know that? Were you there for all three or are you relying on hearsay? Who cares anyhow, I've never known a more 'glass half empty' group of fans. Seven points from nine, onwards and upwards!

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The points paper over some very nasty cracks - if you can't see that were going to struggle theres something wrong in your head

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But we havent, weve got the points, so what does it matter {Ed020's Note - EXACTLY!}

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22 Jan 2012 21:56:46
I think the vast majority of Leeds fans want Bates out of the club so what are the chances of any person or group coming in. As I understand it we do not own either Elland Road or Thorpe Arch and the current squad is not worth much in transfer fees. So what would any potential buyer be paying for? I am afraid that Bates is here for the forseeable future.

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I'll pay £100 million for the club tomorrow. I can get hold of it (as long as Bates accepts Monopoly money)
If not I'll try win Euro millions and buy it then

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22 Jan 2012 21:47:49
talks that ivorian centre back soel bamba from liecter could be on his way to elland round :) good signing i reckon
jack 12944

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I've had three strong beers (Marston's Empire) and a large glass of Talisker - and even I can't make sense of this?? {Ed020's Note - i think he meant sol bamba whose at leicester}

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22 Jan 2012 20:22:43
There has been a lot of talk on here about us signing 3 or 4 new players - I would be quite happy if we just tied up our best players on decent contracts and signed just one good player - maybe a CM - and got a new defensive coach in - we don't have a bad squad but a change in tactics could be the answer - it would at least show there is some ambition

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Yes! a defensive coach is absolutely what we need. It seems really unlikely that so many defenders can be so poor.

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22 Jan 2012 20:18:35
if these players are all on £3,000 pw and we release them its £30,000 saved pw which i think these players will
be on more than that so we could get at least 2 players in on £10,000 to £15,000 pw

Paul Connolly
Patrick Kisnorbo
Alex Bruce
Andy O'Brien
Michael Brown
Lloyd Sam
Paul Rachubka
Mikael Forssell
Ben Parker
Leigh Bromby

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And who's going to be covering for injuries? I take your point, we need to offload some of these, but Paddy's injured so he's going nowhere, Sam's quite useful and we need at least one of the centre backs - I'd keep Bruce over Bromby. We probably need Connolly too unless we get another right back. {Ed013's Note - I think Bruce is very unlucky and should be in the team. I rate him over ODear}

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What about billy paynter? ramon nunez? mika vayrynen?

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The problem is nobody wants them players,ourselves included,so we either come up with a severance package for them or we are stuck with them till they run out of contract,most on that list are league 1 players at best,all but parker n bromby were graysons purchases though

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If they were Grayson purchases then tell us what he paid for them - purchase implies a fee and that's a crititical point in the pro/anti Larry argument. You cannot put out one of the cheapest teams in the division and ask the manager to get promoted to the premiership.

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Some of them will be on about 10k a week

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Nunez is a good player, hes just not a winger

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Nunez played Centre mid on loan at Scunthorpe last season and set the league alight! We give him a new deal and then play him out of position and now not at all.......Give him a run in the side.

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Sod the severance packages, just let em go. Build a team with our youngsters there for support. 28 first team players is a joke. Especially when at least half of em are utter rubbish!

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22 Jan 2012 20:06:28
leeds problem is we haven't got enough good players after the first 11 . we just need to be getting rid of the crap players and bringing in players of better quality than the first 11 which then leaves 20+ good players instead of 11 good

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I agree wi ur point, but based on performances this season we ent even got 11 good player never mind 20+

MOT

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22 Jan 2012 19:55:53
We all agree that the club needs a shake/freshen up so who should go...

Believable = Grason Unbelievable = Bates

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What if you think both should go?

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Tick both!

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22 Jan 2012 19:53:54
something as gone on at elland road dont no wot but player,s dont look interested even the crowd are quiet it,s ashame because i thought we could have gone up this season come on leeds sort it out

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Probably due to some 80 year old person running the club,no vision and not much chance of anything any different for a few years to come,also paying huge ticket money for the priverlage

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22 Jan 2012 19:49:15
Why don't we - instead of spending howson fee on new playes use it to improve the contracts of key players at the club, i.e Snodds, Clayton. Lees, White ect... This would be money well spent in my opinon as it would should the fans our best players are not going to walk away on the cheap. Then IF we did need to sell at least we get the true market valve that could be re-invested.

Come on Bates get your finger out and improve the stabilitiy of OUR club.

MOT

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Improve the stability? dont like bates but ffs i think hes done that!

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Unfortunately our chairman,is only interested in money in his back pocket
Mr Bates is a crook

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22 Jan 2012 19:49:08
if we keep selling our top players and only bringing in players that are free we will end up in league 1 again . if we bring in a few more players this month i can still see us getting promoted but they need to be of a good standard. we see teams like donny spending 3 mil on sharp a few yrs back and we spend nothing on billy paynter i thought we was no.1 team in yorkshire

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22 Jan 2012 19:20:44
I think people need to remember where the club would be without the intervention of bates I can appreciate some of the fans frustration with lack of funds availabe for transfers but big progress has been made the club are in the black profit starting to turnover I know alot of you are pissed of spending on east stand etc but the foundations are being planted and a great infastucture in place for potential suitors I for one a season ticket holder for 17 years feeling slightly optomistic for the long term future of the club I know its hard but try stay optomistic chin uo

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Think we would have had no club without bates, do me a favour,bates is the worst thing that has ever happened to this gr8 club,cos he is gonna be around for along time to come, he won't sell us while he can still leech from us,the club is rotten to the core and it's bates's doing.he's killing us slowly.we won't go forward til he's gone,LEEDS TIL I DIE

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Wake up and smell the coffe mate.

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Bates did save us i agree but he is the one stopping people buying us aswell.he needs to invest to get to prem the statistics he brought out in programme r b****cks that contains wages the lot the rest ov teams thats there transfer buget {Ed020's Note - he wont sell until we're in the premiership!}

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Muppets! Bates took an opportunity that someone else would have taken if he hadnt got there first. Do you really think that without him we'd be out of business? If you do then you're out of your minds! {Ed020's Note - there was'nt a queue of people really wanting to invest at the time. he took on a then championship side being relegated again riddled with debt, his decesions now are slightly questionable, but as for the structure of his save, you can't really fault it. he came to us when no-one else would.}

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I seem to remember a certain property developer wanting to buy the club several years ago and the fans blaming Bates for the sale not going through- I think the guy is now in prison or as near as damn and I can't recall anyone else putting a serious offer in. Wake up everyone and realise that at present no-one wants to buy us and, lets face it, what investor would want to come in knowing that if fans didn't agree with his decisions then he would be vilified by the fans every Saturday

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22 Jan 2012 18:58:55
Lots of rumours flying about, i just hope we get 2 defs and a c mid, and i hope we actually buy the player, sick of loans for players who dont cut it.

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Its better to loan a player that doesn't cut it than to buy 1 that can't cut it

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Well obviously but the manager shoulda been doing his homework

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The asking price of some clubs is a stumbling block dont some of you understand that, thats why we risk loan players

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22 Jan 2012 18:55:52
All the players we need to get rid off are still here, surely someone would want em on a free. Are we trying to sell em? Im not sure, but no money gunna be spent until wage budget is decreased. And as for the protestors, dont waste ur time, u think KB cares? He will love the attention from news and radio surroundind leeds. He is going nowhere fast, im not defending him as i want him gone too but protesting wont help. One more thing, where are the new defenders we been promised? Offer the rubbish out for free surely league 1 teams need some crap. mot.

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22 Jan 2012 18:39:26
I posted on here a few weeks ago that snoddy was going to Stoke that also came from Ben to me personally now he's broken his silence on Howsom i'm not dropping him in it anyfurther by revelling my source now.

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You just did reveal your source - that made no sense whatsoever. I guess you were in the Pavilion yesterday when one of our players was not being very discreet...

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Ben Parker may have a few valid points, however Leeds have been very good to the lad with all his injury problems. He knows he has no future at elland road and may have his own agenda

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All credit to him at least he tells people the truth and not the endless lies Bates spouts

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I think you're right to be a bit cynical about his motives. I personally think Bates is the main problem at ER but I've mentioned before on here that I know a fairly senior member of the ER non-football staff and she thinks the sun shines out of his proverbial.

What I do know for certain is whether you're for or against Bates or for or against Grayson, you, like me, have no control over any of it. Even Blackburn fans didn't get rid of Kean with their protests and do we want to look as disloyal and dishonourable as they did?

I think we need to get focused on supporting our team. The transfer window's nearly over so I can't see anything changing before the end of the season. MOT...

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22 Jan 2012 17:44:21
Just for the record attached audited accounts state our future predicament if promoted. Down in page twenty, almost five mill to pay if we get promoted within the next five years and another bit short of two million in incentives within contracts. All in all six and half mill penalty for promotion so hardly an incentive for bates not to go for promotion. We need to get rid of ten players that are sitting pretty on decent pay and we'd been in decent shape.

www.scribd.com/mobile/documents/55180500/download?secret_password=1o6usqndafpg6v45mr1n

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Promotion to the premier league is worth 90 million to the clubs who achieve it,so whats your point.

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Try 40 million mate.... Not 90 million at all

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22 Jan 2012 17:10:59
three games in a row playing against ten men... despite this being the worst Leeds team ever in existence it's also just about the luckiest... a few decisions handled differently and we could easily swap places with Forest. Anyone who thinks we’ve got even the remotest chance of making the playoffs is deluded. Even if by some miracle we made it, who out of our team is good enough for the Premiership? 2 or 3 of them maximum, Snodgrass, Lees, maybe Clayton…

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Compare our squad to the likes of West Ham, Birmingham, Boro, Leicester and Cardiff. we are not good enough.

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Compare our spending to those clubs,its nowhere near,more money = better players.

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We get enough money to rebuild the squad if we go up so it doesn't really make a difference weather we are good enough to be in prem now its what happens during the summer that counts

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Tony is right I aqree.

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Worst team in existence? you having a laugh? all them loan signings when we were relagated from the premier league were shocking!

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22 Jan 2012 17:02:45
How funny would it be if we went up and Norwich came down!

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Yeh, that will actually happen. good one. {Ed020's Note - we can always hope}

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22 Jan 2012 16:53:22
absolute fact-from source in directors lounge-cant possibly divulge-concerning obrien -his wife left him,extremely depressed nothing to do with grayson-asked by grayson to play at leicester=agreed under pressure-played well,asked to play next game,refused-still in no mental state-result-graysons outburst-as you will all find out that is absolute fact nothing more.hope this dispels a few rumours.

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Well if true - all allegedly - then Professional employers 'DUTY of Care' - not adhered too for the lad - be a right mess - any manager should know better - matrimonial issues very depressing for any man !!

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No question 100per cent correct

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I'v heard the same thing. It wasn't his wife who left him, he was about to get married and it didn't happen. It is defo a woman issue and relates to his mental state to play.

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Rubbish

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What about an employee's duty to his employer? My experience along similar lines is that work helps you focus and put bad relationship stuff out of your mind but we all react differently under stress - just look at Bowyer & Woodgate. I've heard this rumour a lot so there may be something in it. If it's true I'm not unsympathetic as long as he asked for unpaid leave. If he was taking his money and still refusing to play then it's a very different matter. Anyway - there's a tribunal starting 27th Feb so we're going to find out soon enough. In the meantime let the tittle tattle stop...

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22 Jan 2012 16:21:19
Alex bruce mite get a few games then.

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This comment was in reply to the post on rumours page about steve bruce being touted as manager.

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22 Jan 2012 15:28:53
Ben parkers statements in the pavilion yesterday say it all, bates needs to F*ck off now. I'm extremely worried about the future of Leeds after the things Ben said, which I completely believe. Now, I've heard little things about people proposing a takeover. But they've told people that he's simply pricing out a takeover, with them receiving a 100m price tag. And as for the fams demonstrating, Dont. BATES revels in it. He loves the fact everyone cares so much. He doesn't give two planks along as LUFC is lining his pockets

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22 Jan 2012 13:34:21
The 9.5 mil budget equates to around £180000 per wk IF we didn't make one signing, loan one player, negotiate one contract or pay a bonus to anyone. But we DID sign players-signing on fee + agent fee. We DID sign players on loan. And no doubt bonuses are being paid. With such a budget (around 40% turnover when the new rules will allow for 70%) is there any surprise we don't renew contracts? Is there any surprise that we miss out on 'premium' players who are in demand and will be able to secure a sizeable sign on fee plus 12-15k pw? Larry has his hands tied behind has back and Bates confirmed it with his stupid comments Sat. As Jay Z said-Men lie, women lie, numbers don't!

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Don't see how anyone disagrees with my post. It's simple maths. Get a pen n paper n work it out. If you can't work it out, but still feel it's wrong justify it with a response....!

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22 Jan 2012 13:00:09
I think that we should all remember that we still have a chance to secure promotion to the Premier league for next season and we all need to get behind the Manager and the team to help make that happen. Some of you might have more doubts about Grayson than me and a lot of us might prefer a different Chairman, but the Chairman is going no where until he decides and I think Simon will stay as the Manager until we have no mathematical chance of going up. If bates was going to replace him, it would have made sense to do it as soon as the window opened to give a new manager a chance to shape a team. So I dont think it will happen now.

So we have Bates and we have the Simon and we have a team that already could make the play offs or better. Until that changes, lets get behind the team at every opportunity, help the players believe in themselves and make Elland Road a scary place for our opponents and not our own team!

I think we have games in Feb that are winnable and can set us up for a very challenging March against the likely top teams, and by March we could have a team, full of confidence playing really well. So lets help make that happen. {Ed020's Note - bristol city, brighton, coventry, doncaster, portsmouth. our feb fixtures, if we don't win 5 out of 5, then i think we shall need to resign ourselves over to play offs, which still would not be a bad postion, but for a team as big as leeds, we need automatic!!! lets chase it down. MOT.}

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Agree Ed

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Elland Road is already a scary place for the home fans, I'm nearly shi**ing my pants every match at the moment. {Ed020's Note - me too, everytime the ball is in our half!!}

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This wins the prize for best post of the month. The time has now passed for a change of manager this season. Bates isn't going any time soon. Let's argue about the manager again at the end of the season and start making proper supportive noise again. We used to be the 12th man for Leeds and we can be again. MOT.

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Hear, hear ......... we sing at the start of each half "marching on together"

Lets walk the walk & not just talk the talk and get TOGETHER behind OUR team!!

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Wouldnt always agree ED, were 3 points behind 4th place, one bad result can always be recovered to sneak into the play offs

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22 Jan 2012 12:47:29
performance yesterday was poor again, we were lucky,1 of our main problems is that for some reason the players aren't playing for larry,if they were we would be doing better,

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He has lost the dressing room and we wont do anything whilst he is in charge. The last three referees we have had have kept him in the job by sending players off. This cant happen for the rest of the season, fact!

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Is there any truth in the rumour about AOB's problem with Grayson?,that why he's lost the dressing room or part of it?

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Agree with post 1 & 2 100%

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Yes very much re AOB

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So, if Grayson has lost the dressing room then surely we have no choice but to get rid of him cos it doesn't matter who we bring in the majority of the players will not perform, and we will go nowhere under him.

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How do you know he's lost the dressing room? Not the impression given by a CURRENT Leeds player before the game in the Pavilion yesterday - and said player wasn't exactly singing the chairman's praises so I'd trust his word over yours any day.

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Then why are they nor performing week in and out,cos if they wanted grayson to stay the would be showing it on match days, but they aren,t, are they?,

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If you'd been in the Pavilion yesterday you'd know that this is nothing to do with Grayson. Some people are being less discreet than me on here and I'm not going to confirm names but a CURRENT Leeds player made it very clear that Bates was the problem and that the players didn't feel valued by the directors. I suspect Grayson doesn't feel valued either and if he wasn't a big Leeds fan doing his dream job under very trying circumstances I think he'd have already walked.

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22 Jan 2012 12:34:52
i dont care who is playing on the fild
i not care who is the manager/chairmen
i get be hind the team and thats
how we go up even if we are 24th in
the table we are leeds and we are
pround of it

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22 Jan 2012 12:19:31
How did delph do yesterday? {Ed013's Note -He did OK, short of fitness. A massive improvement needed from the whole team and he will fit in fine}

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Agree ed

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22 Jan 2012 11:59:14
Despite retiring from playing football in 1951 Ken Bates is to make a surprise return, in a cost cutting exercise which will also see Simon Grayson, Rod Wallace and Peter Lorimer return to the first team Leeds action. Robert Snodgrass, Ross McCormack, Adam Clayton and Tom Lees are all to make way; saving the club over £3 million per year in wages and creating over £9 million in transfer fees which Bates has vowed to reinvest into his own personal club LUFC (that’s Leeds United, Fantastic Cashcow to me and you).

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Absolute pointless post

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It did make me smile.

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This site gets too serious sometimes - me included - nothing wrong with an attempt at humour. It is the banter site after all..

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22 Jan 2012 11:48:12
The truth is out. Leeds are paying
reasonable championship wages. The
budget is as good as most and
compared with Norwich when they were promoted and other successful championship teams very good. Its what you do with it that counts. We have too many players collecting wages who should not be here. We dont seem able to
off load them and bringing more
players in, even on frees,costs an
extra half a million a year in wages.
Figures speak for themselves.
The wages for ALL staff is high.
We look to Grayson to spend the
money wisely.Also some players including for example
A OB seem to have personal
problems with the manager and/or
club which is preventing them
playing at all or performing at their
best. Needs sorting quickly.

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Good post ken

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Couldnt agree more. That is the truth SG is not capable of bringing quality players to the club.

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Coz bates says it n thats truth wake up n smell the monaco air hes lied for 7 years wy take any notice ov him

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The truth is out that we're paying pitiful wages. 9.5 million a year player TOTAL PLAYER BUDGET - that's transfer fees, loan fees, salaries, agent fees, bonuses etc. That's a very poor budget for a team wanting to get to the premiership. If that money went into salaries and nothing else it averages about 7.3k per week for a squad of 25. If you want to get to the premiership then you need the kind of players who are being offered a lot more than that by other clubs.

Taking into account loan fees to clubs, signing on fees, agents' fees and the rest of the staff costs then 9.5 million seems very little. I doubt that the mean average wage for the first team squad is more than 5k when those other costs are added in.

When you then factor in some highly paid individuals said to be earning 10k or 15k, that brings the median & mode averages down substantially, which would be more representative of what most players are being paid.

Think some of you people need to go back to school and learn some maths...

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They do not deserve 5k a week

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Being honest how much would you pay some of them if it was effort related they would be paying to play half the time. The players need to motivate themselves every match look at the effort ageist Forrest,granted they are poor; but to a man they gave 110% so why can't they do it more often every our game would be good I accept we all have a bad day at work but at times these guys struggle to have a good one and generally takes 70 minutes to get some urgency in their play. {Ed013's Note - Very little, but the manager, staff, captain and the name Leeds Utd should be enough to motivate the team}

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Naive viewpoint Ed - they're professionals and it's what they do for a living. Few of them are Leeds boys and it's hard to motivate people who are less well paid than their peers. That applies in any area of employment, not just football. There's a very detailed, interesting analysis to which I'll post a link which shows our salaries, pro rata, are less than half the FA recommended proportion of revenue.

And, by the way, we just sold the captain so he won't be motivating anyone. According to someone in the Pavilion yesterday (you probably know who I mean) JH wanted to keep talking and it was the club that decided to sell. Not exactly going to be motivated by that are they...

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You can't give 100% mate, just not possible - anything is only 100%

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Fail to understand why we don't offload all our deadwood on frees, even though we won't get money the amount in wages we'll save is collossal {Ed020's Note - the player has to agree to that also}

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22 Jan 2012 11:36:18
Bates will sell if we get the right offer. It's just that his valuation and the real life valuation are a million miles apart. Come on, look at all the Asian / Russian businessmen who are snapping up English clubs for fun or to make their name / brand further known. You think Leeds, with our gates and global fan base aren't an interesting proposition? Sadly, nobody wants to negotiate with the stubborn old **** so we'll just to wait until he passes to the next realm. Out of interest, what happens then? Who owns Leeds in the event of that?

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22 Jan 2012 11:23:29
Got a really good feeling about Buck Rogers for some reason. Think he could turn out to be a really good player for us. Think he will come straight in and take Townsend's place at present. He has been a little disappointing thus far.

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Townsend did ok his first game

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22 Jan 2012 11:05:42
Losing players like Howson, Beckford, Gradel, Schmeichel & Johnson with no decent re-investment in players is really hard to stomach & like a lot of you I can't stand Bates.
Those of you that want to protest against Bates though should turn your anger to passion for backing the lads during the game, then you can protest at the end of games.
Grayson's job is hard enough without the team been de-stabilised by your negativity.
Like you, I think to myself that I wish he wasn't here, then I take a look at Portsmouth and I think again.....

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Well said totally agree 100%. Can't stand Bates but the team comes 1st.. Simple

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22 Jan 2012 11:01:44
Rumours of an exodus at elland road, snoddy, clayton, white, Lees. Bates needs to start providing the funds for grayson and put a bit of money in to our club rather than lining his pockets I think we need to sign a experienced centre back, an attacking midfielder and an experienced holding midfielder , a right back, a striker or two. And we need to replace any out going players, with equal level or better players

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22 Jan 2012 10:08:17
i no leeds are playing poor but we are still in a good league postion for the playoff,s just need to get a bit of team spirt back because wot i thought wot would be a hard league this season is a poor one if we put a bit of a good run together we can get promotion

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22 Jan 2012 09:24:44
said it when transfer window opened not who we get it,s who we keep anyone remember

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I've said it time and time again on this site we will only bring in loans and freebies under bates but sell our best players when bates sees pound signs - but the Rose tinted glass brigade still think bates will spend money on players and we will get promoted

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Talking out of your arse

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22 Jan 2012 09:09:18
we just have to hope that this is our rough patch and that the last 3 games have given us confidence . we need a win against 11 men really .

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22 Jan 2012 08:59:58
leeds need a new max gradel or hope rogers is as good with his feet. when we had gradel on left and snoddy on right we was hard to stop but now teams only have 1 player to keep off the ball its too easy for them

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He is better! I have watched him for the past 2 years, give him 2 games and you will see consistant results.

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22 Jan 2012 07:46:05
Anybody who was at the game yesterday had to admit that we got away with an undeserved result. We have done this in the last 3 matches and the cracks are there for all to see. I cant believe there is anybody seriously talking play offs and promotion. Mid table is the best we'll get this season an then who knows what will happen with SG. My guess is he'll keep his job because he never challenges KB and sitting in the championship spending nothing, maximising the profit he can make from 23.000 die hards and the corporate market is where KB likes to be.

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Both teams were poor in truth and the weather didn't help either side - the ball was even moving on the ground for dead balls. I think we deserved the win though - we kept going, forced the McCarthy error, and piled on pressure when they were down to 10. A 3-1 win is rarely undeserved - even if the football is ugly (and it was very ugly).

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I love th eamount of optimism people have. There were peole in the East Stand watching scores at half time saying 'good result for us there' and 'that'll do if says that way'. Your all mad! Mind you as my mate pointed out we could have one of the worst footballing teams i've ever witnessed in Leeds shirts and still scrape promotion. A large slice of humble pie I would happily eat.

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22 Jan 2012 00:28:45
Bates will sell Leeds when we get into prem (id put my house on it) please pipe down, you put this club in shame and make other fans feel embarrassed.

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Oh dear do you feel embarrassed that won't do will it.

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Protesters please go to Blackburn you aren't wanted here,it took years of miss management to put us in the doldrums it's going to take a few more to right the ship.tea we want to be in the premiership but we aren't ready yet,be patient we will be back.

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