Leeds Banter Archive August 24 2014

 

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24 Aug 2014 23:07:45
Here is a coaching crib sheet for Wackaday:

1. Put the RIGHT players, and the best you have, in the RIGHT positions
2. Play bright young things instead of clapped out has-beens
3. Adopt a 5-3-2 formation as it prevents shipping so many goals
4. Tell the players to be aggressively positive and give 110% for the WHOLE GAME
5. Keep the ball - DO NOT give it away
6. WIN the ball when the other team's got it
7. DO NOT allow any opposition player to shoot from anywhere near your 18 yard box
8. Get on the touchline and shout encouragement all the time - direct the play
9. Run at defences and scare the ---- out of them
10. SHOOT whenever you get the opportunity
11. Work out clever, inventive and effective set-pieces on the training ground
12. Tell the players "WE ARE LEEDS - NOBODY will beat us"

I learned most of this from my games teacher 45 years ago. it worked then and it will now. Football is a simple game Wackaday - do the basics right and do them well, and we may actually get some points.

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Mark
Agree with most of your points but if its true what we are led to believe about coaches then think about it.
1. The coach is hired to coach the players and fitness levels.
2. The coach is given players and told who plays and who does not play on match day.
Im not sticking up for the Hock (Martyn) just saying is Salerno/MC or SOMEONE ELSE pulling the strings from above and the Hocks head and if so shouldn't they be getting DUNG thrown at them!

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24 Aug 2014 21:38:08
It's time for the Cellino lovers to admit they were wrong to put blind faith in the president. Firstly, he sells Cagliari and tells us he will buy the ground. Then he sells Ross and says he will use that money to buy the ground. We have being linked with quality players, Vivianni, Soranson, Adryan, plus Agard, who would have given us much needed pace. If we could have added Assombalonga alongside Sharp and Banini, I would have been happy. Instead, we end up with 10 players who have not improved us. He gets a chance to rectify his biggest mistake but changes his mind. Bermondsy is right we need to sack the coach before anymore harm is done. Lose on Wednesday and we will never here the last of itfrom City fans. If we do lose Mr president the honeymoon will be over. Then you can ask your new friend Mr bates, just what it's like to be an unpopular owner of this club.

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24 Aug 2014 22:57:49
I am in favour of Cellino and will continue to support him. The ground will be bought by November. The squad will come good given time and already showing improvement. Had it not been for the sending off yesterday we could well have got a result. I have never agreed with the Hockaday appointment and still don't but if things don't improve he will be gone anyway. I think the comment about Cellino's new friend in Bates is a little childish as anyone who follows Leeds knows that he met with Bates in an attempt to avoid another costly court case. Anyone who wants to knock Cellino is entitled to their opinion but equally so are the one's who wish to support him.

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24 Aug 2014 23:07:10
At least we still have a club. If MC had not done what he has so far then we would be in a far worse place! I believe he wants us to be successful so he still has my vote. Every day is a school day! Just hope he can learn that the championship is a tough place to be and a tougher place to get out of - unless you want to go down of course!

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It may have escaped your notice but it does not make any difference whatsoever if people blindly have faith in MC or not, he owns the club & bought it with money not with peoples faith, support or good wishes, it didn't 6 months ago & it does'nt now! MC is the Owner he does things his way whether we like it or not. Why do you have a go at fans who have a different opinion than yours, an opinion to which they are entitled to!

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Thank you. I think Bermondsey is always right. MC saved club and I think he will bring good times back (his ego will not allow him to fail). also like to point out hockaday said he was pleased with our 4-1 loss. Also MC was poised to fire hock and almost admmitted he was wrong to hire him. keeping him is another mistake two wrongs don't make a right. People of leeds go and boo and chant get on hocks back let MC know Hock can not be manager of leeds make his post untenerable. Force MC's already posied hand. cheering leeds on will not help get points. forceing Hockada out might help turn things around sooner rather than later. True leeds fans will be making banners and chanting against the Hock. either you think he is good enough or you don't either way you have to now let your voices be heard. we don't get a vote but we can still let our feelings be known. If hock is there agaisnt bradford let him know he shouldn't be please

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Well said LufcRoDz, we can't all agree on everything as long as we all agree WE ARE LUFC regardless of results.

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Deda Land
So you want bates/GFH back yeh?

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24 Aug 2014 21:31:39
MC is the man at the helm and I think he has made the right decision in keeping with hockadocka doodle for various reasons.
The main reason, a period of stability!
If its a rollercoaster til xmas then that's about right.
If its a house of horrors by bomy night, get rid.

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Trev your allowed a opinion but sorry mate it is just wrong. can't even see any sense behind keeping the joke, who has been a joke, everything he has said has been a joke, his team performances have been a joke and his past record has been a joke. Told all my millwall mates hock was sacked they were gutted, then then looked up that he was still our boss and cheered and laughed and joked. If keeping a boss makes other fans happy because he is so S@@t is right then I want to be wrong. Hockaday out tomorrow let it be heard

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25 Aug 2014 08:58:00
everyones allowed an opinion but yours is the only one that counts bw, sounds about right in bw
's world

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Good point chris well made there is my opinion and then the wrong opinion glad we are on same page

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24 Aug 2014 20:19:44
Cant beleive doodledoo is staying. Prepare to get knocked out of the capital one by bradford, my prediction bradford 3 leeds 1. What does anyone else think. When will he finally go, when were in league 1. Doodledoo will proberly walk himself then and blame the salt and pepper pots he dicusses tatics with when he chats to cellino. I for one won't go to a game while that joke is at our club

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24 Aug 2014 20:44:52
Perhaps MC has given the ten games that the rest of us seemed to think was reasonable - given the introduction of so many new players!?! If we lose against Bradford then I reckon that will be it for me! Illness followed by two reds, he will not be able to keep coming up with excuses. I would have liked to see NR given job until we found a replacement. It's getting embarrassing. Just hope we can pull it together.

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Hock will go when leeds fans let mc know they have had enough. last year millwall fans got lomas sacked I was at the game and it was very clear lomas had to go. the fans of millwall went to the game with one incentive to chant so much lomas couldn't stay. when will leeds fans do the same. after the millwall game all the fans were saying. we lost again but at least lomas will be sacked in the morning. last year lomas made a load of signings still wall lost every game (or most of them) and the fans of millwall let chairman know they had enough. 10 games is not resonable. say give hock 10 games to someone who has paid a lot of money for season ticket. you basiclly saying give hock 10 games ruin the season. put us out of any chance of being decent and give the next guy a hard job to keep us up. 10 games is 9 games to long to anyone who has seen hocks team play live. for whatever reasons it is not good enough not by long shot, but as I may of said before, hock was never good was he?

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24 Aug 2014 20:19:17
I cannot fathom out what it is that MS sees in DH and how he is a benefit as a coach to Leeds United. To me, the fact we got beat yesterday is not the issue, and maybe if our first sending off hadn't of happened then DH future would not be in doubt, to me its about team selection, formation, tactics. Where is the passing game we have been promised, our midfield has been dire, our defending is schoolboy, our attackers have had nothing to feed off. DH is a conference manager and is fighting well above his weight, the fans know it, the reporters know it, MC has just delayed the inevitable.
Get shot FFS and get an experienced coach in.
This is turning into a right farce, but then this is Leeds United.

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Sorry chris lake your wrong hockaday is not a conference manager he was useless at the confrence. he might be a u15's or pub team manager but is yet to prove it. all we know for sure about hock is every club he has been it, he has failed

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The point I am making is that I, along with almost every football fan, apart from MC, know that DL is not the man to take Leeds forward. It is just a joke and I am saddened that our once proud club is now a circus.

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25 Aug 2014 17:28:50
when the leeds fans say we r already cm read these sites nobody wants him you do cause he's on 80k ayr not the usual 750k so hock is cheap cheap cheap hence he got job no other reason so get out of town hock

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24 Aug 2014 19:58:08
We must have the WORST website in football history. Leedsunited.com todays player profile Paddy Kenny WTF?

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I agree Andy, its dire. But let's be honest it is the last of our worries!

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True CORK very true but you look for a little bit of news and come across player profile PK FFS ;(

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24 Aug 2014 18:55:06
Davide Ballardini, coached Cagliari on 3 separate occasions under Cellino. Could be an outside bet.

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What about Barry chuckle to me to you can be our new passing tecnique

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24 Aug 2014 17:30:01
has jokeaday been sacked. my neighbour told me he had (and trust him) but uncle and mates all saying its false (dont trust them) can't find anything official on line. almost hope he stays for bit longer otherwise my jokes will be wasted if we get a proper guy in who knows what he is doing. Maybe we will get glen hoddle or malky mackay they would be good for team and for banter. hodel is a nut case and malky seems to be racist ageist sexist and just about any kind of -ist there is

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24 Aug 2014 18:17:54
Not yet but now the media circus has taken over it is only a matter of time.

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Sorry BW, looks like he's staying :/, need to try and rediscover my optimism for him again

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I think you need to look up what 'optimism' means then.

. or are you hoping we can throw more points away than any other team?

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Surprisingly looks like he's had a reprieve AMAZING ;(

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Optimism means I hope he can get the players playing attractive football which they have showed signs of doing and the players gel. This would lead to good results and a good motivational atmosphere for the players which we have been missing for a long time.

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And by the way if you need educating, optimism means hopefulness and confidence about the future or the success of something. Therefore I am trying to be optimistic about our future under hockaday.

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{Ed013's Note - Now now children ;-)

Ok, clearly MC is a clever man, self made, has the money to purchase our club, buy the ground? (Hopefully). I really cannot see him risking all this by playing in league 1 next season. So if Hock is going to be given time then we should support our team. The squad is big, new, and is being added to daily, this should have been done pre-season to give the coach time to try out players and pick his best 11. I have no idea what that may be as most off these new signings are from leagues abroad. I actually saw progress yesterday in patches before we went down to 10 men. It's early days and to be honest I have seen nothing to make me think Hock is the man, he actually sounded like a school boy inventing an excuse on the radio yesterday. But hey I have not made millions so clearly MC can see something. I am reserving judgement until end of September when some of these new players are in the team and hopefully things are looking up.

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24 Aug 2014 15:57:55
Add to that Mowatt who contrary to reports is playing for U21s & not injured. We do however need 2 proven championship top quality midfielders to run the show & allow us to get rid of Austin, Tonge, Murphy.
Mowatt apparently isn't in Hocks plans & I don't see Dawson, Phillips getting near 1st team either. So much for promoting youth.

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Mowatt is building up match fitness in u21s, in a few weeks all our players will be match fit so our new manager if we get one can get the best out of them

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24 Aug 2014 14:41:53
Think Cellino will go Italian for Hock's replacement. Zola for me but part of me would like to see Di Canio, would be box office.

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Zola would be a really good option. We need to play more attractive stylish football and I think he would be a really good fit. However to repeat what most people to seem to say why would he join to work under such a dictator like cellino and we wouldn't pay his wage demands either I imagine

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Reports has Festa top of Cellinos list, not another guy with no pedigree or knowledge of the English game, surely he's learned from his mistake of Hockaday, c'mon Massimo, get someone in who knows what they're doing before were sucked into a dogfight.

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I couldn't imagine Zola working with Cellino either tbh the more I think about it.

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24 Aug 2014 17:08:18
Di Matteo or Vialli would be good options

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Di Canio. I'm guessing that's a wind up. If not, get a grip. The last thing we need is another arrogant, egotistical Italian at the club.

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"Reports has Festa top of Cellinos list, not another guy with no pedigree or knowledge of the English game, "

So what sort of 'Pedigree' does Festa have, exactly then?

Playing football in England hardly gives anyone a 'right' to become a manager?

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Think you misread that Longtime - that's exactly what Rhino is saying, that he doesn't have any pedigree or knowledge.

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24 Aug 2014 13:56:05
Rolando Maran anybody?. Being reported on news now. Italian so maybe.

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24 Aug 2014 13:20:07
What's happened to Doukara?

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Injured month out

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Out for 4 weeks. Ankle I think.

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Thanks marc

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24 Aug 2014 12:38:20
When is lewis cook going to get his chance in the league? Any leeds fan can see he has more quality than Austin murphy and tonge put together, I know he's only 17 but he will play his heart out and fearless, he's already shown he's not afraid to get on the ball. I would personally like to see a fully fit mowatt and cook in centre mid together.

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24 Aug 2014 12:14:32
I'm no coach or anything so just wondering why at 3-1 down you would take your best striker off and replace him with a defender?

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{Ed013's Note - Its called Hockavision, "To you, To me"}

Sharp is very average

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The game was over. Better to try stop the rot and try preserve goal difference which could be crucial in our relegation battle!

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ED
Chucklevision would be more appropriate ;)

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The score was actually 2-1 when Sharp was substituted for Cooper. The main reason for the change was because our other central defender was having an early bath. Other than the cross that resulted in the OG, Sharp hardly had a kick.
MOT

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"The game was over. Better to try stop the rot and try preserve goal difference"

yeah, like that worked then?

2-1 down when it happened and we lose 4-1?

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24 Aug 2014 11:35:34
Why don't we try for Neil Lennon, at least he's shows some passion!

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I'm half Scottish and my Scottish side is rangers, so I would never like that, I hate the man

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24 Aug 2014 11:42:20
Why don't we go for Neil Lennon, at least he shows some passion! What do you think?

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24 Aug 2014 10:26:23
Sory DAVID not the man for the job - a team like leeds needs quality experienced manager Malky Mckay Tony Pullis Tim Sherwood anyone would be better sorry but true

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{Ed013's Note - Those mentioned above, I imagine, wouldn't work as a puppet and would want their own players. We have to get used to football "nobody's" whilst Cellino is here unless he changes his ways. He needs a right hand man that knows the Club and league inside out to advise him otherwise it will only get worse. I feel for Redders if he gets the job as it will end up with him on the scrapheap}

ED
Although worrying I've got to agree.
I'm baffled why so many people like Sherwood? Great player but NO management experience to talk about until last year, he might work out but he's not tried and tested at this level.

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{Ed013's Note - He is a decent coach, but has no experience of the Championship. It hurts to say it, but to work with Cellino's policy it is going to have to be someone like Zolas to get the team playing and gel all these signings with what we already have}

24 Aug 2014 11:15:54
I don't have a problem with Zola, Vialli, Carbone, at least they have a pedigree. I think it will be non-english as the continental coaches are used to working in these conditions.

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I totally agree with you Ed. I have some sympathy for Hockaday as new player are being added to his squad on a regular basis who aren't match fit or have experience at this level. Results are disastrous and we can't keep on in this vein, but if change has to happen, MC needs to think long and hard about his next appointment. All I want to see is the team playing decent football on the deck, solid in defence and creative in midfield; at least being able to compete for a spot in the top four or five. That, I think, is the very least that our fans deserve.

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{Ed013's Note - Just think, the player that potentially cost him his job was one Cellino brought in, Bellusci}

Zola
Although I think he's a good coach and played some lovely football, why did he walk away when things got tough at Watford?

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Agree with everyone and ed on this post, will be hard to get someone of pediegree but on the continet many coaches work this way. zola very good call, I think carboni could come back, and I can't speak for everyone but I like sherwood his record at spurs was as good as anyone and he was there for a while, he has had lots of experience as coach at top level. he spoke sense in interviews and he is young so potential for groth. I don't think he would get he job but if he did I would be far more resonable and give him more time than hockaday. I like neil aspin, john sheiridan also mentioned might be worth a shot, same with neil redfern (but think he would get booted quickly). I hope MC goes for someone forgiern and gives them a chance, rudd hulit, zola, festa all might be decent don't really rate carboni as his record as coach/manager is as poor as hock's I think? let's get someone with some pedigree in where he was born not important to me just someone who has good record and has done something at some level. I got it sevn goran erikson. leeds lock up your daughters

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24 Aug 2014 10:24:45
For those callin for Grayson back remember why he went. Too many indiscretions and a defence that was shambolic. We had 7 centre halves none of which were any good.

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Preston at home sticks in my mind.
We were defensively shocking under him.

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He also had the highest points per pound spent of any manager in any division in the league. You seem to forget he had no budget, had all his best players sold from under him and still took us to 7th. Some people have very selective memories.

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He lost the dressing room because of his indiscretions irrespective of his points tally.Thats when he left home. The defence was also shambolic. He was good in league one but Bates eventually got fed up with him buying players deciding they were not good enough and asking for new ones so he stopped. Then came the abuse.That's when Bates turned. People have selective memories.

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The statistics speak for themselves. He's the best manager we've had since O'Leary and we've gone rapidly downhill since he went.

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Sam odajobe (i can't remember his name but it was sam something) was good, richard naylor was good, not saying we were great under grayson saying we were a lot better than now and remember every good player he got he had to sell. best example brought in shcimle who was amazing sold him and had no money so had to get lonergarn who was average. this happened with poor Larry all the time, everyone opinion is vaild and can see points for both sides but I really rated grayson and think he did very well under bates had hands tied and still did good job, we were not great defensively but then no one else has fixed that either at least with him there was always belife we would score. Grayson with decent backing would of kept all our good players and we would be a prem league team by now in my opinion as lots of our players under grayson went on to better and did well

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24 Aug 2014 09:55:34
No matter who we bring in as coach with Murphy, Tonge and Austin in the midfield we will create very little. Austin is ok just playing in front of the back four but nothing great and makes too many mistakes. His passing is better than most people accept but he wants to play too many 40 yard 'hollywood' passes rather than the shorter more sensible route. Murphy is a decent league one player and Tonge looks the most comfortable on the ball but dynamic he isn't. The result no creativity and a midfield that is set up to make too many suicidal errors. Mid field has needed a face lift for a number of seasons. Hope sloth and others like Adryan appear pretty quick or it will be more of the same Just a comment about Tim Sherwood he will be nothing like the coach he was at Spurs. He is a Spurs man through and through and that's where his inspiration comes from. Wouldn't/couldn't do it as well anywhere else.

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Hesllian you make some great points and I agree to an extent. our midfeild is average at best (very best) but someone with some clue could do something with them, even long ball and avoid them if not great, we were very direct under wilkinson but effect andkept the ball on deck when needed. a young wilkinson would sort them right out, remember our midfield last time we went up to top division it was not great, there are ways round this. I don't think sherwood would come and can see what your saying but sherwood's pedigree and status means he would dersrve a chance, not saying he would be great but I wouldn't be suprised if he was very good

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24 Aug 2014 07:34:50
It's a sad state of affairs that every time we lose the next result I'm looking for is Fulham's! How sad is that?

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{Ed013's Note - Sad Biro}

24 Aug 2014 07:14:14
Andy MOT, I'm with you all the way regarding supporting the Hock while he's in charge & looking for any positives we can find. I know it's early days but it's not looking good is it? If MC were to get shut, given the way he operates who realistically would work under him? Slightly worried degs!

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Totally agree Degsy.
I've agreed from the beginning Hock is out of his depth but it was NO good turning up at the start of a NEW season getting on his back and shouting for him to be sacked before a ball is kicked.
Wouldn't help the team, coach or LUFC as a club in a period of transition. MC took a gamble and he's getting his results the hard way but he's not daft, if he don't like what he sees then one outcome and one outcome only ;)

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24 Aug 2014 11:24:48
There would be massive interest as always because it is Leeds and everyone thinks they can make a difference. Overall there are probably more head coach's in the football world than there are managers.

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24 aug 2014 14:52:38
sloth seams to be good we are signing loads getting nowhere why can 50000 leeds fans be wrong why did cockupaday get job he was the only one who said yes to 80k a year tim is good but mc want to pay peanuts

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24 Aug 2014 00:40:00
We've had our ups and downs (ups and downs)
Now stand up and sing for leeds united cause were the greatest in the land

C'mon lads it looks kinda tom tit now, but we'll be back were we belong soon, so keep believing, and every day sing your hearts out for the team u love!!

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As Delboy says "he who dares wins".

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24 Aug 2014 00:04:07
lets look on the bright side. It may be bad for us, but at least we can all laugh at Ross McCormack.

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Who cares? He's history as far as I'm concerned. All I'm bothered about is my team. I'm struggling to see a bright side.

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23 Aug 2014 23:42:06
only form of pace and width ( byram looking at three game ban we need to chapionship experieced wingers in before deadline day or were down how can cellino n who ever else picking team see wee lack width and pace

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23 Aug 2014 22:44:45
Hey BW! At least our boys helped you accumulator as lookontheupside would say ;>)

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B;oody millwalll let me down for £55 (find that funny though) and bristol for just over a grand oh well always next week

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Ian Holloway says can you let him know the next time your backing millwall to win lol

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Yeah I let my uncle and mates know (all season ticket holders) they were not happy with me at all. I shall now back them every game of the season happy to lose a quid every week if it gets millwall reigliated

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LOL B
At least you got your own back for the Leeds defeat by the lions ;)

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24 Aug 2014 00:00:51
Well to Bermondsey and the rest of the lads. First off. the recent run has had me drinking so much that Hock looks like me missus when I first met her.

Second off. poor ol' Hock. handed a Rolls Royce job to a Austin mini driver and told him the replacement parts are coming and will be installed as he's driving down the M1. folkin' tough job.

That said. us need an Audi S4 to be built. Someat good enough to get out Championship and with 0 to Champions league in 3 years. and a driver to do it.

Soz David bud. but it's not lookin' on mate.

Still. tomorrow is another day. and we'll all live and learn.

And as Leeds fans. we'll always be MOT

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Here here. mot

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