Leeds Banter Archive August 24 2018

24 Aug 2018 23:39:01
Anyway on a positive note I expect Norwich to improve tomorrow 1 all Saiz to save the day.

25 Aug 2018 07:52:33
Don’t understand Wex, was alcohol involved?

24 Aug 2018 21:55:51
Back out in Tenerife, blooming hot! Just catching up on all the views and opinions. Must admit I didn’t read ANYONES view as particularly that bad but then I may have a different opinion.

And that’s what makes this site so great, was saying to Mrs Class on the plane really miffed with Boro signing loads more players and that we are definitely short on numbers. Anyway she didn’t answer (again) so tonight I’m reminded about what a talent Jack Clarke is and if I flip the absence of ready to go signings, I can look forward to us unearthing the next Speed, Batty, Cook and continue to enjoy the bun ride for now. Yes I’d always like more, but I get to support the best team in the world whatever! ALAW.

25 Aug 2018 01:53:19
How long u there for class? I'm hoping to get out there end of next month if I'm up to it.

25 Aug 2018 08:10:59
Hi Martyn, only here until 06th of September but normally try and come out about five or six times a year as we have a little place out here. Love to catch up for a pint one time? Brilliant news that you able to consider traveling though Martyn which hopefully means recovery is on track, beats being top of the league that buddy!

24 Aug 2018 21:06:12
Heard from an old pal today some insight and info and
Jack clarke is the real deal. been following him myself. Mb loves him by all accounts. love that!

24 Aug 2018 21:48:43
dont know much about the lad what's his position and do you think he will break into match day squad?

24 Aug 2018 21:55:20
Berm He's a winger. I expect him to make the bench before the end of the season.

24 Aug 2018 23:29:06
cheers george good to know!

25 Aug 2018 00:39:40
Got a great left peg on him too Bermo! Fab dribbler reminds me of a modern day Eddie Gray! The boys got talent and plenty of potential mate that's for sure catch up soon fella at ER or The greater game MOT brother! 😎.

25 Aug 2018 09:01:58
He will be in the squad very soon for sure. Tricky with some pace. Really looking forward to seeing some of these "ones for the future" come through and show "hardened championship players" how the game has developed, which they will. There are some big, but talented, quick lads on the fringes!

25 Aug 2018 13:28:19
Ones for the future, damn that Orta for getting them in :)

24 Aug 2018 20:52:54
Not too sure of James Collins to solve our CB problem. He is an old school type, and good at it, but as for playing out from the back; not his game. So if he is told go and get it then asap, pass it on then I can live with that. Probably Foyth a better bet (also Shaugnessy)

24 Aug 2018 21:50:13
i agree about playing out but a CB first job is to defend and I would say he might be better than all of our CB's at that, I think Collins and Huth are a decent shout for us as cover and options at least.

25 Aug 2018 09:02:01
Strujic. or is it with a K? Think it is, then Paudie when he comes back. Whether it's this season or next, our academy, and those out on loan, are going to take us back up.

24 Aug 2018 13:04:49
Don't understand all this "in bielsa we trust" thing I know he's well thought of but anyone who thinks that this squad is capable of getting promoted is loco. A few games played and we are struggling in key positions. If as reported MB is happy with the players he's got he doesn't know that this is one if not the toughest leagues to get through a season. And before anyone says we have to back the manager I'm all for that but most of us here know we need to strengthen the squad massively and we not getting paid big bucks too know this.

24 Aug 2018 13:23:56
Yeah
Agree wex.
We have ridden our luck a bit already.
Def need strengthening.

24 Aug 2018 14:42:25
Wex I don't trust anyone. Least of all a man who works alongside Orta. However, Bielsa is doing a good job so far. He has taken us to top of the league albeit after just 4 games. His brand of football attractive. It's up to Radz if we bring in more players next week which I hope he does. Foyth and Oxford would do nicely.

24 Aug 2018 14:51:45
Bielsa clearly comes with a reputation for being stubborn and very clear about what he wants. That’s what you get with appointing him, and that’s possibly why it hasn’t worked out in club football. Given he’s the boss and so far he’s produced 10 points from 12, he deserves the chance to give his ideas a go. 1 or 2 key loans could make the difference but don’t see how you are going to strengthen the squad massively with days remaining in the loan market and limits on how many loan players you can use.

24 Aug 2018 15:11:24
It always seem that we don't have players in a position at are club for ages we wanted a decent winger and now we seem to think that we will be ok with a make shift defence .
Swansea were very good the other night, however anybody watching the game will notice that there forwards were all taller .
Teams like Millwall will stick the big fellas in the box on set plays so to me it's not rocket science that you need players who can compete.

24 Aug 2018 15:38:40
This is where Radz is letting us down after 4 games we can see we can compete but failure to put his money were his mouth is is a gross case of neglect. Granted we improved the squad but he's done it on a shoestring clearly lacking ambition.

24 Aug 2018 16:08:53
How is Radz letting us down? Bub knows whether or not more players should be incoming so let's wait and see what transpires.

24 Aug 2018 16:15:27
Wex, take an Optimism Pill .
Always negative from you.

24 Aug 2018 16:39:37
Wex. I trust Biesla on football matters a damn sight more than I do you. Tell me again what your CV looks like again?

I am assuming you know everything there is to know about the full Leeds United management structure and the direction it is going?


Why can't us fans just be fans. "Championship Manager" has a lot to answer for in making ordinary folk believe they know more than they do.
I love Leeds United but i have no idea how to get the best out of a squad of adult men who each have there own lives and drivers. Hence I leave that to those qualified



And by the way, the likes of Cooper, Beradi, Ekuban, O'Kane may be seen as dead wood to many on here but they are bloody better than me at football so I will not be slagging them off any time soon.

{Ed001's Note - if that's your view then you do not belong on a football forum. Please stop ruining it for everyone else with idiotic comments like this, if the only opinions that matter to you are Bielsa's then don't read the site and let other people enjoy their conversations about what they would do in peace.}

24 Aug 2018 16:40:44
Wex It's not a lack of ambition. It's a lack of available liquid funds. Radz is simultaneously building his sporting television rights empire. Give him time.

24 Aug 2018 16:47:47
This is not being negative wanting better from your clubs owner is not negative Dave. Wanting your club to do better is not negative. Wanting your team to be better is not negative. Being happy with what you have got is negative. Therefore Dave your more negative than I am.

24 Aug 2018 16:28:33
Agree on the point that we need reinforcements as lacking strength in depth!

24 Aug 2018 16:57:46
Ed, go easy on Axe. His choice of phrasing may have sounded confrontational but what he was actually saying made sense and was no more controversial than I have read on here in the past. He was a bit of an angry young man against Wex. Hopefully Wex is a bit thick skinned and does not take it to heart but Axe goes on to say that we should support Bielsa and the team - tick and give some of the "deadwood" a little respect - tick. We all argue with each other sometimes he just needs to tone down his rhetoric.

{Ed001's Note - I fully agree with that, but you can't go around telling people their opinion does not matter. Unless it is Aus or Berm, in which case I think we would all agree on that ;-)

24 Aug 2018 17:06:24
Im not slagging off any players I think their doing amazing. I'm saying we haven't invested enough to compete over the 60 odd games we have coming and if you can't see this that's not my fault. For the manager to say he's happy with what he has. I'm saying he doesn't know the championship.

24 Aug 2018 17:22:36
Wex, I think everyone on here wants our team to be better and do better than we have. It’s just a lively debate about how you go about it and let’s face it at the moment we’ve had a good start. Ed is right, here is a place where everyone can share and debate their views. I do agree with some of Axes points though, we don’t really know what is going on and why?

Bielsa has made clear his views on the squad and it’s clear he wants 1 or 2 more, and he has been clear that he doesn’t want a CB, so that’s coming from him, no-one else in the club.

Let’s see who the 1 or 2 are and how that helps with the squad. I honestly feel that those appointments really could make a difference. After that let’s see if Bielsa is happy with what has happened because the past would suggest that he will be clear about his feelings.

24 Aug 2018 17:24:16
agree ed, what do me and Aus know, he is an Aus and I am well me!

I don't like all this jumping on peoples back

Mb is far from a fool and very good but has made mistakes before as all managers have. Sir Alf took of Charlton and cost us a world cup, Sir Alex sold Jap Stam, Sir Howard Wilkinson didn't upgarde defence after 1992, don't mean we know more but can still can say that was a ricket

MB must see we need cover at CB and if he thinks we are ok I would say that is a mistake, don't mean I know more just means I think we need someone

sad world when fans can't have an opinion, have a moan up or have a jolly up.

24 Aug 2018 17:45:44
Opinions will always divide however I look are how almost all teams work regarding squad and subs bench .
Normally a Gk and defender on any subs bench on any team .
I totally get the books have to balance, but if we hadn't gone out last season and brought the number of players we did only to have to get rid of them, then maybe are squad would be ok.
Wex is totally on the ball, you buy players (here we go again) who can play in the league you are in Douglas, Forshaw eg .
There are a number of defenders that were available on free or not that much money .

24 Aug 2018 18:00:30
The reason we are not buying or loaning any more defenders is because Bielsa doesn’t want them. He wants to see players coming in for other positions. So blame him for that part of the equation if it all goes wrong.

Also, I think he probably understands the championship a bit more than you think. This is a man who took a week to decide if he wanted to come to the club, he watched all the games from last year and planning and organisation seem to be his middle names!

Let’s see how we go, Wex seems convinced it’s all going to end in disaster and another average season. The truth is nobody really knows at the moment.

Good start, good football, let’s see how the next three go. We knew it was going to be a rollercoaster ride, enjoy it!

24 Aug 2018 19:36:36
Who’s Dave?

24 Aug 2018 19:41:50
This is Leeds, never dull (except International breaks)

24 Aug 2018 20:43:31
Cork He's your friendly angelic eco warrior. Fancy not knowing that. He posts early on in this thread.

24 Aug 2018 20:50:55
Wex radz has invested more into our club than anyone in recent history. It's human nature to want more all the time. If he'd not bought back the ground and spent that money on players people would be skating him for not buying the ground back. One step at a time pal and it will all fall into place.

24 Aug 2018 21:32:10
Martyn if they had not said there's 20 million and spent 4.

24 Aug 2018 21:57:37
Wex Let it go bro. I told you that was a mismanagement of expectations. Radz makes errors just like us.

24 Aug 2018 22:04:57
really contraversial but will say this.

if MB says we don't want CB and means it (might be driving down wages, if we go for CB and they know we need one they might ask for more) then MB knows less about championship football than me and is a fool. If we have a CB at the club who is good they should be in and around the 1st team (might come through in which case I retract this) but if we have them why is beradi at 5,8 playing there and then ayling coming in to cover? three right backs playing in a back four don't work. he must know this. the back pairing of beradi and alying ain't good enough and will cost us espcially in the air (as it already has) he must know this know and will be shocked if we don't get a cb in before the window shuts. if not it will cost us more (it already costs us against swans)

25 Aug 2018 02:03:23
How do you get a figure of 4 wex?

25 Aug 2018 02:06:02
7 mill rising to 10 mill for bamford. 3 mill rising to 5 mill for douglas then bakers wages, Harrison's wages and Blackmans wages.

25 Aug 2018 08:59:36
Viera money and players off the books offset those Martyn basic accounting you have to include money in and money out.

25 Aug 2018 09:04:46
With you on that last post Martyn!

25 Aug 2018 09:22:25
No one knows how much we got for the outs so you can't work out anything wex. Vieira was supposedly 5 mill with add one. Put your hand in your pocket and finance the team if you can do a better job.

25 Aug 2018 15:12:33
ED001.cheers for the feedback. Not sure why I can NOT have full belief in Biesla's opinion but may be I was absent when the news came through

Also not sure why I can NOT give full respect to professional sportsmen that have sacrificed a lot in the dream of "making it", just because other people believe it is fine to criticise those same people without a right to reply

I still believe i DO have a right to be on a football forum. Especially a Leeds United forum. But may be you are right, i don't belong on YOUR forum.

{Ed001's Note - obviously the point went over your head. Nobody at all was questioning your right to those opinions, but you yourself were questioning anybody else's right to have a different one. If you are not able to see the distinction, then you really are not welcome.}

24 Aug 2018 09:22:01
Can someone shed some light on my perplexing issue?

I don't claim to be a master football tactician but looking at Biesla's system it seems to me that any forward has to be happy to chase lost causes as well as bust a gut to be present and available in the box at all times. All midfielders need to be constantly on the move. Creating angles for receiving passes or dragging the opposition out of the way. Then the full backs are expected to be good defensively, whilst also expected to be in position to aid the attack.


HOWEVER, stop me if I am wrong, the two centre backs are the pivots. They don't move that much in relation to their team mates. Their jobs are to smother the opposition forwards and quickly release the ball to their less encumbered colleagues.


If i am correct with my assessment above I would extrapolate that this to mean we should not have burn out of our centre backs whilst every other position has the downside of exhausting the said incumbent.

Could this be why Mr Biesla is looking for more legs for his forward positions and is content to assume a centre back in his team's can complete 40 games with the fitness levels he demands?

24 Aug 2018 10:58:54
Is that Bielsa on tour? Do you have a bucket! I think that’s how he sees it!

24 Aug 2018 11:39:24
And the thing is we have only been playing one of our CBs and we are unbeaten. As George has touched upon its Phillips role that is more worrying. Can not see any other midfielder being able to play that role. Maybe Nessie will be able to as he is a midfielder and did well at CB. Only other option i see with Viera gone is playing with two CBs and playing Berardi there. Big plus so far, apart from the lads getting on board with Bielsaball, is young Shackletons displays. Seen a lot of him in U23s but he is stepping up in style. Never massively stood out for me in academy but he obviously wants to be in that team. Shows what a bit of encouragement and recognition can do for a young lad.

24 Aug 2018 13:56:45
I agree axe and understand what you are saying, but the problem and for me is a big problem is on Tuesday we didn’t have a centre back on the pitch who is an actual centre back. So for that reason alone we must get a centre back in.

My personal opinion is that we need another centre back is because cooper last season had suspension problems and Jannson had injury problems but that bit is opinion

I know Bielsa doesn’t believe we have a replacement for Phillips and he knows a lot more about football than I do but I see nessie as his replacement. We signed him from reading as a centre mid and turned him into a centre back, surely that means he can play between them both as he has the knowledge on how to play either.

24 Aug 2018 15:50:10
Bielsa on tour, does that mean he takes a spade to go with the magic bucket? Btw, the Times football writer called him"The Prince of Pails" made me smile anyway :)

24 Aug 2018 17:06:52
I do believe that another CB would not go amiss however I also believe that Shaugnessy could do a job, given a chance. As for DM Shaugnessy could also play there, as could Berardi.