Leeds Banter Archive August 29 2012

 

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29 Aug 2012 22:28:12
I thought Huddersfield's chairman was super rich & didn't have to sell their top jewel, Ha ha

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No he's not super rich but he has already said the money will be made available to the manager,bet Grayson is excited when was the last time he had a few million to spend,oh by the way how much has your chairman got ha ha,who's the big club in west Yorkshire now,there's only one ken Bates one ken Bates,there's only one ken Bates.Never mind you could scrape a few quid together and maybe scrape a couple of loan signings together,I have an idea,tell Bates to give our chairman a ring he might lend him a few quid ha ha.

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No matter how much money you have you will never be the biggest club in w.yorks

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Get off the lufc page you clechuddersfax w%%ker you will never be as big a club as leeds and wait will grayson lumbers you with a squad of 50 no hopers with the money he is given too spend . Warnock has invested what money he as been given far more wisely

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Maybe the now super rich udders Chairman can use some of the cash to rent a crowd.

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'uddersfields new club song is 'down , down deeper and down by the quo, bye bye rhodes, bye bye hudders, did u enjoy your stay up here? mot

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Ha Ha Uddersfield inbred (League of Gentlemen) c*^t.
Get off our site, it'll take us ages to get rid of the stench.
You will never be the biggest team in West Yorkshire.
You are however, Yorkshire's greatest sexual predator of cows, sheep, pigs and other livestock.
jt-lufc

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You're not a big club anymore...you're a mediocre champ club with no money...you might be a sleeping giant like my club, forest...are you a big club though...no....this wont get posted due to your yorkshire bias. {Ed013's Note - Leeds will always be a big club with their fan base. It doesn't matter where they are in the leagues, they may be a poor team, but always a big club}

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29 Aug 2012 21:32:49
So now after Taylor and Boyd go to Ipswich Jordan Rhodes will now be facing us Saturday with Blackburn.deal agreed tonight.thats the diff for us.if Rhodes gets injured Kazim Richards back,if he's injured Leon best will be back.then there's pedersen.no excitement like that for us in transfer window.when Ross or becchio get injured we have,mmmm let me think,,still thinking..oh yes a good kid with no league matches,mmm then,oh yes andy gray who nobody wanted so we gave him a home.
This is why we won't go up,full stop.why after we are one of best supported teams in whole of England and biggest in championship can we not afford even a bag of peanuts.
I don't really understand...and Rhodes is a very good player so will be interesting to see how we cope with him...if we can cope that is...shrew leeds

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A championship club can afford to spend 8 million on one player. says it all really.

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Most sensible post on hear for a while. A bit of realism for once. We are going nowhere without a takeover happening tomorrow and that aint going to happen

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Comparing us to a club with extremely rich (albeit also a bit mental) owners who also have parachute payments after being relegated is always difficult. Would be nice to see us spending money like that but even with a takeover I can't see that kind of spending happening until we get promoted (or more to the point if). £8m on Rhodes is a lot when you consider van der vaart sounds like he's on his way to hampurg

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Poor Andy Gray... he turned down a contract at Bradford, because he loves Leeds - I actually think he could be good with a run of games

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Arn't we the lucky ones(not!)
mot4life

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The same boyd and taylor that have turned down moves to ipswich

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As someone else says, how can we compete with parachute payments? Stop moaning about what we haven't got (yet) and get behind the team - who, by the way, have started the season very well. Hopefully Bates will soon be gone.

Bring on the Blackburn.

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Original poster..yes i think 8 mill is way too much.wasnt asking us to buy 8 mill players.but 1 to 2 mill would be something to shout about..shrew leeds

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Let's not get carried away with worrying about how much money the recently relegated teams are spending. Parachute payments in the main assist in paying debts accrued during the teams Premiership season/s. Just look at the teams relageted the season before. What we need as a club is a squad willing to give their all, to be as passionate as the fans that support them and to wear the white shirt with pride. One thing we will get from this season come what may is a team that will fight for the cause and till the end. MOT

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29 Aug 2012 21:02:39
Woody, probably the best note on this or other sites regarding our current predicament. Thanks. I agree totally with your assessment of the position we are in with the exception of one key area. The accounts show that our beloved Chairman has relieved LUFC of every single penny received in the last 3 years from transfer fees. Our working capital position is therefore such that administration is pretty much inevitable without investment. So you question is whether he will sign or not. I firmly believe he would have signed but it is not him ( who you rightly suggest) has no power, but the buyers who are backing him into a corner and that they will not sign. They will know that there is no working capital for wages etc so why pay person bates anything other than bottom dollar? My guess is that for once in his life the guy is being made to squirm. Doesn't necessarily help us fans but we'll know soon enough.

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29 Aug 2012 19:26:18
Viewing the takeover, it has become increasingly clear that Ken Bates no longer holds any power at the club that he owns. This is a baffling state of affairs, and one that I will seek to explore. Below is an explanation of how Ken Bates has found himself in a position whereby his ownership is of little more value than the name on the door, and what this has resulted in at Elland Road.

Ken Bates has often spoken of the solvency of Leeds United since his second phase of chairmanship, i.e. the lifting of Administration and the granting of power back into his hands in 2007. The manner in which Ken Bates re-established control of the club, eventually winning over other bids through the insistence of previously unheard of debtors, allowed Bates to put Leeds back on a firm financial footing. The chairman paid mere pennies in the pound, and would not have to pay any more unless Premier League football was achieved prior to 2017. This is of little consequence, as the cost of this additional fee is minimal relative to the windfall that Premier League football provides. (It is, however, interesting as an aside – agreements over who should have to pay this fee will likely have proved an annoyance in negotiations.) Bates then spent several years insisting that only did he not own Leeds United, but that the various offshore trusts that owned the club, on paper, had nothing to do with him. Bates reportedly even carried out his duties as Chairman completely unaware of who owned the club. He even managed to purchase the club from these mysterious owners, still not aware of who they were.

It was at this point that Bates began to make decisions that brought Leeds United's solvency into question. Whilst Leeds had sold players on over the years, for example Fabian Delph, the loss of Beckford at the start of our Championship return seemed understandable. After all, he simply did not agree a deal. It was, at that point, not a question of whether Beckford was being sold to fund Bates or anything of the sort – after all, we had rejected deals for him the previous January, losing him for free with the understanding that he'd get us promotion. It is also not worth considering the financial benefit of promotion offsetting the loss of the transfer fee; the manner in which the Football League operates means that the jump in central fund allocation between the two divisions is negligible. Where the Premier League represents a return to eight-figure television payments, the Football League is generally built around a reasonable understanding that funds are fairly evenly split – there is obviously a divisional difference but promotion does not bring the material gains that the hyped £90 million Championship play-off final does. So Beckford was retained, with the question not being about the business side of Leeds United, but the footballing side.

Why, one might reasonably ask, has there been a shift? Beckford was, over the course of an 18 month period, swiftly followed by Johnson, Kilkenny, Schmeichel, Gradel, Howson and Snodgrass. Of those mentioned, three of them are now playing in the Premier League, and one reportedly single handedly fired a Ligue 1 side to the Europa League in the latter half of 2011/12. Yet none seemed particularly keen to go. Ben Parker will remain an everlasting hero at Elland Road for his ruthless reporting of Howson's transfer. At an event in the Pavilion, Parker revealed that Howson was truly forced out, a bid accepted and no attempt to retain him. It has been reported by the brilliant people at the Leeds United Supporter's Trust that Snodgrass has a buy-back clause built into his contract. The fact that it was built into his contract, not the terms of the transfer, shows that this is a term he insisted on – he did not want to leave Elland Road, even if the club saw no belief of ever easily bringing him back.

Why has this shift happened? The reality is, ever since the paper transfer of the club into Ken Bates's hands, astoundingly foolish decisions have been made, the most obvious of which is the building of the East Stand corporate section last summer. It is no coincidence that the supposed £7 million outlay on this development has coincided with our most regular period of player sales. As covered first on this site, Simon Grayson's budget was horribly slashed last season. Every Leeds fan knows this, but for the last 18 months, football has no longer been the priority at Elland Road.

Why is this all important for the question we ask today, which is how has Ken Bates found himself in the position he's in, and what does this mean for the takeover? Ken Bates has actually, through incompetence and a steadfast stubborn belief that his personal philosophy on football club chairmanship, which also nearly led Chelsea to ruin, is the only right way, managed to place Leeds on a precipice between a takeover and future success, and financial frailty and ruin.

This is the situation at Elland Road. The loan taken to cover the building of the East Stand development has been offset against Season Ticket income for the next two seasons. The Square Ball covered this months ago. However, whilst this proves we have significant debts that cannot be easily serviced, it also leads to another issue at the club – cash flow. Season Ticket income is dealt with in a frankly odd manner. The club is not allowed to spend each portion of money until the good has been delivered to the fan – i.e. the match that each 23rd of a season ticket pays for. Whilst it gives the club guaranteed income over the course of a season, the money from a season ticket cannot be spent as a lump sum. Therefore it is incredibly beneficial to cash flow if retained. It provides a guaranteed payment every month that can be factored into budgets, giving leeway against any sudden costs. The selling of this income to the tune of £5 million to fund the East Stand means that at Leeds, there is no guaranteed monthly income. Should Leeds suffer a shock to the financial system, there is every chance that we will not be able to afford it. The safety net is gone, and yet we still have debts to service.

Alone, this would place Leeds United in a precarious financial position. Whilst player sales can cover this and even give Leeds a positive financial outlook at the end of a season, any other debts would make things difficult. Ken probably realised he could no longer hold his position at the club. The issue of financial ruin can be combined with the fact that no one particularly likes him. Yes there is a subset of fans who accept him, but as the summer has shown, this is easily eroded. There is a final reason Ken might wish to leave, that will come into his thinking, that I do not wish to expound upon. It is a reason nonetheless.

So along came a takeover attempt. The Yorkshire Evening post has covered that this has been agreed several times, as have LUST. Bates remains obstinate in his signing off of the documents, which has led to the Pen4Ken movement.

However, the signing off has to occur. The original issue of debt arising from the East Stand development (and the Pavilion) aside, the club has since been loaded with further debts that Ken is not in a position to fend off. There was an agreed fee that would be paid if due diligence occurred successfully yet the deal collapsed, which is why Bates has come crawling back to the negotiation table. Furthermore, the new owners funded Aiden White's new contract, which the club would not have been able to afford otherwise – similarly, we cannot afford to pay back their involvement in this should the takeover collapse entirely. A similar agreement was in place, I have heard from sources, for Lee Peltier's transfer – Warnock himself said he was surprised that we were able to afford him.

Should the takeover collapse therefore, the future does not look rosy. Administration is a very realistic possibility. Ken cannot afford for this to happen – in the event of administration, Bates would receive no money for the sale of the club, and the potential new owners would likely be able to snatch the club for a significantly lower price than if Bates sold to them directly. This is assuming debtors related to Bates (i.e. Astor) do not come crawling from the woodwork.

This has all led to the current situation at Elland Road. Bates needs to sell but is obstinate in his refusal to. Shaun Harvey, bemoaned by Leeds fans, has taken the club aside and united it against its owner, in a bizarre twist of events. "The club", as alluded to by Gary Cooper, chairman of LUST, is now entirely separate in action from "Ken Bates". There was no defense of Ken Bates on Yorkshire Radio last night when a caller named Steve managed to air grievances on the phone-in, merely the suggestion that Yorkshire Radio itself was not biased. An interview with Bates remained on LUTV for very little time – broadcast once in the ground well before kick-off against Wolves, with few in attendance, this was likely to appease Bates. Shaun Harvey appeared at an evening organised by LUST and the FSF, an incredibly unlikely event months ago. Harvey seems to have Cooper onside, at least with the mutually beneficial goal of ousting Bates, as, after all, Harvey understands that the only way Leeds United can continue (given debts and all) is with new owners who have the financial muscle to rectify the mistakes Bates has made over the last few years. Bates himself would never accept these are mistakes. He is a stubborn old man who believes his method of property development is the way forward for football clubs. He thinks he can still turn it around, that is why he does not sign.

He will have to though. The Bates regime cannot last much longer. He cannot afford it. It is sign or bust for Ken Bates, and signing will bring him untold riches. The Club itself is united against him, and Bates has no allies. He even went as far as attempting to get the Supporter's Club on his side in the programme notes last night, which shows how far he has fallen. He is so weak that he needs help from those he has previously criticised repeatedly. There are no assets left to sell. He is all alone, trapped in an ivory tower as those below him ignore his demands.

Bates must sign and he will. The only question now is when.

Woody LUFC

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Woody is there a shorter version lol Gj

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Ok Woody 22 mins later............. What you have said makes sense.
I am just sick and tired of getting my hopes up with the club I love.
The only light I can See Is The Fact we have one of the BEST CHAMPIONSHIP managers ever Gj

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A thorough, well thought out and thought provoking piece - an awful lot of common sense analysis and hopefully a deliverable conclusion i.e. Bates MUST sell and sooner rather than later. Good stuff Woody! Jimbo

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Wasn't bothered reading it all but fear plate to you for writing all that.

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That was a long one!
S BsE Leeds

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Thasts all speculation, no one but master bates knows the truth................... but the sooner he goes the better....Dave

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Good post for this site. where did you copy it from? lol

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Brilliant summery of the situation. I believe that Bates will sign this off either after the transfer deadline this week or at the end of this season after sabotaging NW's promotion push. One last blast from this vindictive little man.

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This is the best article I have read, well considered. Bates can't run away for much longer. In life you get back what you give.

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Got half way and thought F**k it, War & Peace is on the book shelf.

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Woody didn't write this it's copy and pasted from a site called spoughts.(sports and thoughts) You should be honest woody.

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Nice one pal I totally agree with all you say.
The man is on a POWER TRIP, while he owns the club he can make or break us at will, if he sells he has NOTHING left but a lonely demise in garlic town France with his millions, no friends, no power, nobody to bully or insult, just a pissy arsed old man with his wet nurse.
No other club will entertain him after his despicable antics at E.R. the shady business goings on the insults to fans his lack of any charisma when dealing with the people who have passion for not just Leeds but football as a whole. This man feeds off self gratification he has no friends or allies in the club or fan base, most have turned against him and he is trapped in his own nasty little world.
BATES ROT IN HELL

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I still believe Bates would rather see Leeds go into adminstartion and get nothing then sign the deal that may make us successfull again. He is such a bitter old man

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The greatest of respect for this well thought out and concise post.
Maybe the Ady white bit explains the new contract improvements to Ross and diouf too!
It cements by belief the stadium improvements were premature and explains why all our best players drifted away slowly as oppose to demanding a move- torn hearts. Maybe the absolute truth on these may come out in the future, I feel sure if SG wrote a book he would impress his bank manager.
Hope bates leaves soon but could it be the new investors taking bates to the edge?

Thanks again to original Poster

White teeth

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I thought ill have a nosey and couldn't put it down, it's like a John Grisham. I hope all this is close to the truth Woody because if it is, ill buy you a pint at the match after it happens pal,
If all is true and they get it for a better price, i see more transfer funds.
COME MID EAST, BANG THAT FINAL NAIL.
BARMY ARMY!!
mot4life

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Original poster here, i didnt write it lads i just copied it from a webpage, i always put my name to messages tex ect so ed can post who its from -- but cheers anyway

Woody LUFC

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Mmm interesting post.dont really understand whats going on and this helps a little

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29 Aug 2012 19:24:34
Does anybody think that warnock could try to have a cup run to raise the clubs profile to potential investers with all the covarage that leeds would get. It worked for cardiff since we got huge investment in the summer due to our profile being raised by playing liverpool in the cup final. {Ed013's Note - I think he is already doing that}

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I remember him saying we should have a real go to win it. that's the cup, not just get to the 3rd round.

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Cups bring extra games, more tickets sold = more money :)
Bainesyboy

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Cups bring more games, possibly more injuries, and therefore a dip in league form. :)

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29 Aug 2012 19:11:08
It's gotta be time for a LUST update!! {Ed013's Note - If the David Haigh rumours are correct and he is involved in any way at all in the buyout of the club, then there will be more speculation tomorrow as he will be in England by the weekend}

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29 Aug 2012 17:10:30
From the article Bates on the ropes if I'm reading it right Bates has little choice than to sell. If he doesn't ( and from the article if it's right ) he will end up with nothing as the club are not in the financial situation that we were led to believe, and it's quote possible we couldn't furnish the debt that Bates has entered us in to. The only thing stopping him is his ego ....... You sad sad sad man sell up and enjoy the money go FFs go

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The mans ego has cost us millions to date. How many more millions have to be lost before we all come togeather and say anothe is anothe, ffs!
He will never change and he will never have love for the club. We have 2 promiseing players that have come through are fantastic youth system. Mark my words this time next year they will be playing for someone else and not a penny will go back into the squad. The sad thing is, after this has happened fans will still turn around and state, Bates saved us from going out of the league. NEWS FLASH!! The man nearly sent us into no mans land with a 25 points deduction. Only look and good support saved us, NOT BATES!
If there is a god up there, now is the time to save us because theres more chance of that, then Bates saveing us.
SGT WARNOCKS BARMY ARMY!!
mot4life

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29 Aug 2012 14:08:15
just a thought.if akeover does not happen and lets face it not looking great,do you honestly think we can get to play offs with what we have got.loans are ok but we still have to pay wages for them,have we got money to do that.my personal opinion is we will do well but prob not plays offs mainly due to potential injuries and suspensions,which will happen and also the quality of lots of other clubs.
i hope im wrong but just cant see us maintaining with what we have squad size wise...shrew leeds {Ed013's Note - No, because our tactics will get found out, the players will get injuries and there is only so much the youth players can do. However, everyone pray as God is a Leeds fan!}

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We havent done "well" if we dont reach the playoffs

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If Bates is still in power this time next year and Leeds finished mid table. We will have a wip round for a good hitman, because that is the only way we will get the Chelsea out of are club.
BARMY ARMY!!
mot4life

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29 Aug 2012 13:46:32
My mate is catering manager at Elland Road and he tells me he has been asked to find a UK supplier of camel food.

Does this mean the Middle East takeover is imminent?

MOT

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Camels are sacred animals over there only to be eaten as a last resort so stop talking rubbish.

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I think he means to feed the camels

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I wonder what Camel Curry tastes like then?

I did have Skippy and chips once, was a bit of a job holding it down though......

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Hi, would camel food not be what camels eat? I give you cat food, dog food......
MOT= MoreObviousTripe(?!)

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'Camels are sacred animals over there only to be eaten as a last resort so stop talking rubbish.'

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I think it was an unfunny joke about getting camel feed not eaten the camels mate

Crmd

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Pretty sure the man says camel food, not camel meat.

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Camel food to feed them not eat them

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He didn't say a place that sells camel meat he said camel food. like dog food that you would buy for your dog but in this case for a camel.

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How strange does the word 'camel' look after seeing it so many times!
LtKK

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I think the skippy and chips joke is the only thing funny here..??

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29 Aug 2012 13:12:17
Warnock says in yep interview the contract offered to doiuf isn't about money to him it's about finding the right club at this stage of his career, and Leeds are the right club etc, there's some truth to this quote but let's face facts ere Neil it is about money if the club was able to say give him 30k a week and 250k signing on fee he be asking bates if he's got a spare pen to put to paper, so as nearly always with the modern day football player it is about money, but doiuf will not play in front of better fans this season or any for the remainder of his career but does he know or care about that,shame warnock has to resort to old softening tactics like letting him take corners in front of Kop,so fans clap him and sub him so to get more adulation,most clubs give fair wages etc,Leeds now won't do this under mr bates!
Kella74

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Well since he was on 2K at Donny I very much doubt enyone would ever offer 30k! I would imagine its more like 4-5k which is the most he is likely to get. We are probably the biggest club in England he could play for and may be able to get a little more abroad but he has the chance to be a major part of this team pushing for promotion, what more could he want I'm quite confident he will sign!

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It was an hypothetical 30k meaning money is the issue,I don't think any player in world football should be paid 30k a week,I was making the point that if a large enough sum of money is offered he,ll sign, I also believe he,ll sign he,s just holding out for the right offer from the club it's a game of chess and the players and agents usually have all the pieces
Kella74

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Why shouldn't a top footballer be paid 30k a week? The best actors, musicians, businessmen/women and other sportsmen & women do. I work for a lot of consultant surgeons some of whom can earn 10k in a morning for private practice. If the Sky money didn't go into footballers' salaries it would end up with club chairmen - I'd rather it went to the people who entertain us. Some people, footballers included, earn a lot of money. Get over it.

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29 Aug 2012 12:50:47
Bates is a businessman last time I checked not a petty schoolkid. Why would he stall on a deal till after the transfer window when it will save him money to sell as soon as possible. At the moment he is funding the running of the club and is paying interest on debts that he has run up. The club as a business maybe debt free but KB is in debt himself which will only be cleared when he sells the club on so it makes sense to get rid as quick as possible. Yes he may hate Leeds as some people say (I think he neither hates or likes us, it's just a business to him) but he is still losing money while he owns the club so would want rid asap. Petty spite towards LUFC fans is not the reason the takeover is stalling so something else must be holding up the takeover but I don't know what, unlike some I don't claim to have a mate who knows the lawyers third cousin etc etc.

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It has been said by more than one that a deal has been on the table for a good while. So who else is stalling

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If he is stalling it will be for business reasons, not this petty hatred thing some nuggets go on about. Would you sell your house for less than you thought it was worth just to keep other people happy?

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"If he is stalling it will be for business reasons, not this petty hatred thing some nuggets go on about. Would you sell your house for less than you thought it was worth just to keep other people happy?"

Depends on whether keeping those people happy prevented me getting my windows broken and costing me even more money.......

... just like Bates is losing money (on gate receipts) by not keeping people happy?

Also, if your house was losing value each week, then sometimes it's better to take a loss at the beginning and get out, rather than pay for the upkeep and still lose money?

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Suggest you read Bates on the ropes Bates is MOT in a good position to demand anything he is running out of friends and allies

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Bates is stalling because he's a f=====g greedy old man. The one good thing for me is the fact he's 80 yrs old and time is on my side not his. LUFC will live on, while he's feeding the worms. If only it was like the service crew days, then you would see Bates paying through the nose. The passion was more intense back then but times change, don;t get me wrong, for the good.
BARMY ARMY!!
mot4life

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The club is not debt free. It has a 7m mortgage for the East Stand redevelopment secured against season ticket sales.
ML

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29 Aug 2012 12:42:01
forget snodgrass,we have sam byram great defence and midfield player that can bag a goal or two and still very young he's gonna have a bright white future. ROBBO MOT

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Look im not disputing this lad has a great future but lets not go over the top.against blackpool he was caught out on both goals.after 20 games lets judge him then..shrew leeds

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I have to agree with 1st response! Yes, this guy could be a gem but to judge that now!?!?

Biggest example: Michael Owen! I remember seeing Owen not being old enough to collect a bottle of champagne for MOTM award and had to have flowers as he was 17. After that interview he was branded by some media as 'the next pele'! As gd as Owen was at times he has NEVER been pele!

Scot MOT!

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I remember the days when if Owen was playing, he scored. between long spells out for injuries. he was the closest England ever game to having a Pele, he was just unlucky.

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How can anyone possibly compare Owen to Pele?
Owen WAS a class finisher or goal poacher , but nothing close to Pele in terms of skill and football brain.
"T"

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29 Aug 2012 12:01:26
I've always told my kids as they were growing up never to use the word hate as it's something you can't take back once said but is very rarely meant just an emotion"........that said I am finding t very hard not to use the word as far is Bats concerned because I'm pretty sure that I won't want to take it back once I've said it. WTF are you playing at mr Bates you've had your time you CANT take the club any further because yu won't invest the type of money that's needed. Take the money enjoy it do what the he'll you want with it but set aside and let the people in who really want to give us the opportunity that yu simply can't afford to do. What the he'll is wrong with yu GO!

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I'm not anti Ken or pro Ken. I believe he's brought both good things and more notably and obviously bad things to our club but I STRONGLY agree with the original poster.
You refuse or cannot afford to input the necessary financial clout into the playing budget at ER Mr Bates, to make us at least competitive and give Mr Warnock (who you employed on false promises) a shouting chance at promotion.
Thank you for the good things you have done for LUFC!
Now please sign and go.

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29 Aug 2012 11:12:51
no facts as per usual. all im saying is if bates signs over the club before window closes then great, if a day or 2 after i dont mind either, strong nucleus with good youth coming through and a couple of emergency loans i think we will be in and around playoffs by xmas, then warnock can add the quality in jan to push for promotion!

deakko7

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29 Aug 2012 10:03:37
I know its early days but have we found another Paul Madeley in Sam Byram? Can play in defense and mid field and weighs in with goals as well. At this rate NW won't have to have a goalkeeper sub on the bench as more than likely Sam could do that job as well.
For those who have had a humour transplant that last sentence was tongue in cheek but what a footballer Sam is turning out to be!

docsmith

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29 Aug 2012 08:38:30
Not so much a rumour but was at the Leeds last match and Duberry was sat next to us, not with the Oxford fans but with the Leeds fans! What a legend! MOT!

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Yep a true legend...... Leeds number 1 getaway driver

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Dubes always had a burning desire for Leeds. At last night's game he must have been awash with emotion.

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29 Aug 2012 06:09:02
Im just wondering if bates is going to have the last laugh. I can see bates signing the deal late Friday night. Why? because he hates us always has done always will do.
And if he does do that it going to be loans all the way to January.
COFFIN4BATES.COM

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If Bates really hated us he wouldn't be signing any contract at all......

.... that remains to be seen though.....

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29 Aug 2012 03:29:41
WTF is going on?

All of a sudden rumours saying we're in financial trouble again, diouf deal might be off, everything is sounding negative again !

Paul - Isle of Man white

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That, my friend, is the LEEDS way!

Doom and Gloom, the harbinger of doom is on his way.....

On the other hand you could just ignore all the lies and rubbish and get behind the team?

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29 Aug 2012 01:22:18
what's the likely hood of Warnock staying next summer, if we don't get promoted? and if he doesnt, who else is proven to get us up?

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Mick McCarthy? I cant stand him but he's got wolves out of this league a few times

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Warnock said at the beginning that this would be his last season and that he will leave at the end, regardless of our position. Hopefully we will be in the Premiership and he will be persuaded to do another year but lets worry about this season and not the distant future!

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I think if we do manage to scrape up into the Premiership there won't be any shortage of 'would be' managers queing at the door........

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Would we want Warnock in the Premiership? His record at that level is very poor. Tends to get teams up but can't keep them there.

In that league we'd need a very different type of player to make progress to the ones Warnock likes to sign.
ML

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Warnock always says he is going to retire lol Have you watched the documentary on Sheffield United, He said that he only had a short time left "a couple more years" before he retires and that was 7 years ago in 2005. You think if Neil gets us up he isn't the of man who would want to prove himself in the prem?

TeejLUFC

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If he gets us promotion, i will put money on him staying with us as he has always wanted to prove himself in the premiership!

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Depends who gets sacked first in the prem. it's not looking good for Lambert, i'd take him.

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29 Aug 2012 00:28:26
I personally believe the squad is just about enough for us to be within the playoff area by January. I hope by then the takeover will be complete and can push on from there. The key is to stay within touching distance until we can add one or two quality players to the squad…

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Yeh as long as Andy Gray and Michael Brown don't get on the pitch we will be fine, after last nights showing.

TeejLUFC

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