Leeds Banter Archive November 29 2015

 

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29 Nov 2015 22:01:05
When LUFC appeared to be up for sale I think it gave hope real change for the better may be on the way. Since the talk of a sale went south just like all the other examples of talk and no action the player's hearts have dropped. It can hardly be a surprise. One way or the other (FL and/or the LUFC board) it has to be time for MC to go. Very few, if any, players or managers can succeed when there can be little respect for the bosses.

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29 Nov 2015 21:44:17
Going to ER for the Hull game and despite their recent poor form I am fearing the worst.
Can anyone see the players responding to Evans after he slated all but 3 of them off after Saturday's debacle.
Evans toolbox analogy is basically him saying it's not my fault Massimo. Personally it says to me I am not a good man manager or motivator.
On a personal level though it will be the first game I have ever been to where I am slimmer than both the managers.

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{Ed003's Note - haha.}

29 Nov 2015 22:28:02
1LU time to blame the players as none of the last ( sorry I have lost count) managers in the last 2 years have managed to get much out of them, what does that tell you?

I'm willing to give SE a go as he has motivated average teams before to success and him saying that we need better players ain't rocket science as this team done nothing for 2 half years

Steve should mind be able to change things around and have plans, get most out of what we have in some games but I expect our form will be hit n miss.

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{Ed003's Note - relative financial backing has given him success in the past and has always ended with him falling out with people.}

29 Nov 2015 19:50:23
Evening All, just back home from that debacle of a match. Have to agree with with majority of what my fellow Leeds fans are saying. If only there was a quick fix, as one guy said to me on the tube after the match, won't see us back in top flight in our life time! Now I may be getting on, but I'm still working for several more years as I would guess he is. The worrying part is unless something drastic happens he is right!

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29 Nov 2015 21:30:01
It's so sad. It's going to take someone who is so rich that they could buy us out of their small change. I've never dared put this in print before ( and I don't think they are interested anymore anyway ) , but I've never quite understood the total hostility to the Rosy male cow option.

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29 Nov 2015 19:24:39
A few months ago I posted That Watford would surprise a few Premiership teams and they are now 11 th.
They murdered us last year and why can't we emulate their success?
I never rated Bournemouth but Watford had two amazing strikers who opened us up time and again.
Just my observation not a criticism of anything Leeds.

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29 Nov 2015 17:10:53
Are any of these 5 million plus rated youngsters we have really setting the world alight? Might be worth taking what you can get for them imo blame who like manager/owner tea lady none of these out on the field these young superstars are maybe a figment of our imagination.

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29 Nov 2015 16:03:32
"I just, for the life of me, don't understand how people are allowed to buy football clubs and certainly of the status of Leeds United, which is a magnificent (club) .
"It has got to stop at some point that this club is kicked around like a wet balloon. The last 12-14 years haven't been good times for Leeds and the fans are still there in their droves.
"Leeds have to get back to the top level but it has to be done in a way that the club can sustain where they are.
"I am a little bit concerned that the authorities and football have allowed some of the people to takeover Leeds United. I thought there was a fit and proper persons test? Well it can't be a very good test because there have been a lot of people who aren't fit and aren't proper to run Leeds United. " [Kevin Blackwell]
There's only one person to blame for the horrendous decision making and the buck stops with the owners and the board. No point in changing managers very 5 mins - it is clearly making no difference - so the problem lies elsewhere.

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29 Nov 2015 17:34:16
The chairman maybe?

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29 Nov 2015 18:02:31
Bates has set us up to fail for a generation. In cahoots with Shaun Harvey who is now ensconced at the head of the fl. He sold us to gfh knowing full well that they had no interest whatsoever in lufc and would make a pigs ear of it. They now sit with a 25% holding while investing absolutely nothing. ER and TA debacle meaning we pay huge amount of rent to undermining our ability to remain solvent, the only way this can be achieved is through selling talent, all too often only to be replaced with half arsed journeymen.
Remember Bates vow to ruin us, he hates us and is laughing as we despair. Aided and abetted by the FL itself.
Cellino is bonkers and his style is at best questionable but he's the only person who's invested in players for a long time. Although some of those players are not worth their weight in toe nail clippings.
The thing that annoys me most is that you don't need an arab shekh to succeed in this division. Look at bro, a very well run club, with a fan base near half of ours. Makes you wonder.

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29 Nov 2015 18:20:56
Good reply Pro Una. Bates bled is dry and took all he could before selling on to the only Arabs on benefits. With his puppet Shaun Harvey in the position he is in, we are never going to be treated fairly. I posted something a while back about the unjust voting system of the FL with Harvey and then chairmen of other teams sitting on the board who are obviously not impartial. I don't mean to sound controversial but you wouldn't have 12 racist EDL members sat on the jury of a bnlack kid accused of robbery would you? Bit extreme I know but hope you catch my drift.

MM.

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29 Nov 2015 18:33:09
Agree with every word. Have said from the start that the only reason KB ever took us over was to try and ruin us. His skulduggery (allegedly ed's) still hangs heavily over us. In many ways MC is a diversion. Getting rid of GFH would be the best starting point on our road to salvation.

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29 Nov 2015 19:38:51
Couldn't agree more with any of the above.

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29 Nov 2015 21:21:05
Spot on.

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29 Nov 2015 21:21:42
Speedy, GFH have us well and truly by the short and curlys, they will sit back putting sweet FA in, and demand a huge amount to be bought out. Bates well and truly screwed us. Then MC marched in with his eyes wide shut.

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29 Nov 2015 13:48:52
Lots of talk on this site about the players not being good enough, which although is probably true, we have what we have (for obvious reasons) . Evans has got to find the right combination to maximise the ability we do have. We are blessed to have a number of young players who have come through the ranks into the 1st team however many head coaches fall into the trap of shoe horning these players into their preferred formation and hoping that they can carry the weight of the team. Case in point is Mowatt who is not a left midfielder/winger and therefore playing him in this position shuts down any penetration from the left hand side as Mowatt does not dribble past players or deliver crosses. Unfortunately the right hand side is occupied by Dallas who is struggling to make a consistent impact also, therefore we are playing a 4-4-2 system which relies on creativity/penetration from the wings but we don't have the players to achieve this. If Evans persists with 4-4-2 then it is either Mowatt or Cook in central midfield with Bridcutt. Drop Cook! (I hear you scream) , he is a talented footballer but how many goals does he score or chances does he create in a 4-4-2 formation? . The formation being played was to give us the luxury of 2 strikers but what is the point if they don't play as a partnership or receive an incisive passes from midfield? I would probably go 4-2-3-1 (Bridcutt and Cook as the two deep lying midfielders, with Mowatt, Dallas, Botaka as the three attacking midfielders. Play either Antenucci or Erwin as the lone striker) . This formation allows an interchange of personnel i. e. Phillips, Murphy, Sloth, Bianchi and may give us a foothold in games which we are clearly lacking. Apologies for upsetting anyone with the notion of dropping Cook or Mowatt (although in the 4-2-3-1 you could play both) however with Evans current formation we have the wrong personnel in it and limited ability in our current squad to play it effectively.

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29 Nov 2015 14:04:20
Have to agree Notts. 442 is not working as we struggle to control the centre midfield area. We need to stick 3 players in there.
Maybe Rosler was correct all along?!

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29 Nov 2015 14:36:57
Possibly Corky but Rosler isolated the centre forward by having his wingers too deep. I am advocating that we free up 4 players to attack (5 with Cook breaking from deep) whilst leaving protection to our frail back 4.

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29 Nov 2015 15:29:22
This sounds awfully like we are going back to the formation Redders employed.

We do need to go one up front to give the guys some competition. We only have 3 recognised strikers (I don't count Doukara as one) so this has to be the competion.

Cook and Mowatt in the centre (Bridcutt, and Murphy making the 3rd) . Mowatt just behind, where he scored 8 or so goals for us last season. We actually have wingers now in Dallas, Botaka and Byram (where he was employed last season) . sounds awfully like Rededers formation last year.

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29 Nov 2015 15:33:21
Cook Bridcutt and Mowatt with Botaka and either Dallas or Erwin supporting the striker, probably Ant.
This system has the 1st two lads protecting the back four. The two full backs can then get forward mire with more protection, meaning Taylor and Beradi and not Wooton.

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29 Nov 2015 15:58:16
D. S. Any formation that employs one central striker is going to sound like Redfearn's formation however Redfearn played with two full backs to provide width. I am suggesting that the attacking 3 midfielders should be further up the pitch. This may lead us to playing balls through on the deck instead of lumping it forward as we would have more options to keep the ball in the opponents half.

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29 Nov 2015 16:00:42
At this point it's no longer about formations. Evans is much better than Loser and 442 is serving us marginally better than his weirdness. The true problems are fourfold.

1. Cellino's behaviour has demotivated the players. They don't like him or feel part of a family.

2. Consequently the players play with insufficient passion. I just don't think they care enough.

3. Too many players have lost form because of 1 and 2. Dallas case in point. Should have been a real acquisition for us.

4. GFH

Cellino is the big C in more ways than one. Once he goes we can progress. GFH need to sling hook too. I think Evans should be kept. In time, with the right owner and stability he could be successful.

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29 Nov 2015 16:47:58
Mostly agree except I doubt if Evans is the long term answer. Seems a nice enough bloke and has passion but we're suckers for that tbh. Tactics simplistic and not original. Until Cellino naffs off the situation is hopeless . Groundhog Day .

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29 Nov 2015 19:46:22
Might be a shout to give some of the others a go like erwin, sloth or Philips, maybe Bianchi if he's fit again (always had a bit of a soft spot for him. Not in a homosexual way) seems the old guard always gets the nod . It's all seeming a bit 'clicky' give some others a chance who'll hopefully leap at the opportunity.

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29 Nov 2015 13:27:29
I agree with speedy that we have some good players but they just won't play for any manager as they know that a few poor results and he will be gone. Also I read that there is still a dressing room divide. I personally think that we had started to get it right with Thompson and Redfearn so why try and fix something when not broken. We should have just added some players to what was already clicking into place. All this chopping and changing just causes unrest. As for Byram why the hell would he want to stay with us. These players no doubt want premiership footy not championship or league one for that matter.

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29 Nov 2015 14:47:48
I would hope, since MC was apparently at the game yesterday that the penny will start to drop that the problem is more deep rooted than simply changing the manager every few games. If we are to show any improvement under him he is going to have to find a manager and stick with him ( or her ) and be prepared to put his hand in his pocket for a few (at least) PROVEN quality players.
The Sam situation will hopefully be resolved this week. He needs to be offered a proper contract on a decent wage and be told to sign it or go in January. If the stories are true that he's been offered far less than some if not all of the Italians that were brought in, then no wonder he's p****d off. I simply do not believe that several coaches have chosen to play Wooten at rb ahead of Sam without influence or instructions from above. I have been a supporter of MC but this really is make or break time. Relegation is a real possibility unless is prepared to put his money where his mouth is in January and get some decent players. And if that means selling one or two of the youngsters, so be it. They are treading water with us at the moment, so the (reinvested) cash would be far more useful. Even if MC has lost his love and enthusiasm for the club, which I do believe was genuine, it makes business sense to be trying to sell a promising asset rather than a quickly sinking ship .

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29 Nov 2015 16:20:49
I agree Speedy but I would loathe to lose Taylor and Cook though. They really have great careers ahead of them. Cook really needs a rest as u19 England games along with playing for us every week is taking its toll.

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29 Nov 2015 11:23:21
Evans allegedly the said the players aren't good enough. Perhaps he needs to look at himself. Another defeat or two and he will be history. The club is a joke and so is the Chairman. Mad as a box of frogs! There has been little improvement under Evans.

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29 Nov 2015 12:39:26
Highly unprofessional to say we are "poor all over the pitch". We have enough decent players to get some results together. The problem is Mr Evans can't get a tune out of them. Which says more about his ability as a coach than the players.

And let's not forget, all these "Poor" players were sanctioned by the MC himself, so frankly speaking the blame lies with the heirachy.

To that we must add that we have a wafer thin squad, which means there is no pressure to perform. They will get picked week in week out, as there is no one else.

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29 Nov 2015 14:53:06
Well I don't disagree with what you have said but I'm hoping SE is speaking like this to reinforce the fact that these are not his chosen players and he is aware that the team needs some serious cash spending on it. At least he's not pretending we are a lot better than we actually are, which was the case with the last two occupants of his job.

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29 Nov 2015 15:23:44
Last 2 coaches had a little faith in their abilities, Evans is already making excuses. Rosler was adament his way was the way forward, and so was Redders.

To suggest that these are not the players of his choice and that is the reason he cannot push on is a poor excuse. Yes the squad needs a lot of money spent on it, but the problem is if you keep getting rid of coaches every 10 or so games every coach can use that excuse.

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29 Nov 2015 15:59:26
True d. s
I was trying to make more of a point, though not very well, that I'm hoping it's just SE trying to be a bit more forceful than the last two were in trying to get some quality in. But I may be wrong, it could just be excuses.

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29 Nov 2015 16:36:33
Evans from week one was saying players not good enough. Some statement to make! Candidate's for relegation another thing he said.
I believe he is a bluffer. He gets his excuses in early I give him that!
As I said before he talks the talk but we have gone backwards under his leadership. I'm not a massive fan of statistics as they can be misleading but since he arrived we create less chances per game and these matches have been against teams in the bottom half of table. Read into that what you like but I have not seen a good performance yet from his chosen 11.
Rosler wasn't miles better but games against Burnley and Derby showed promise. Also Roslers eleven or so games were against teams currently in the top 10 with the odd exception.
Just a thought?

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29 Nov 2015 17:53:48
Sorry but we were poor all over the pitch! Or the players were. I fully support SE for his honesty and to be frank some of these players should have been told months ago that they are poor, lack passion, overpaid, disgrace, symbolic take your pick really but they need to be told. I would be told if I were poor at my work.

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29 Nov 2015 11:21:33
Who was supposed to be marking QPR, s main goal scorer, Austin had a clear unchallenged header and won't score a easier goal. Alan Shearer commenting on MOD about Newcastles players after their defeat could have been talking about the Leeds team. They are Monday to Friday players on the training ground but don't turn up on Saturdays for the league games. They are just not good enough.

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29 Nov 2015 10:25:20
Got to agree with oneleeds. This team is not good enough as it is. Last ten games under Redfearn they were diabolical, we got Wood in who has not made much difference. Midfield is devoid of ideas and defence is just not up to it. You need fighters in this division and we don't have them. If they can not play a simple 4-4-2 then they are not good enough. At Leeds we always look on our young players as world beaters worth millions, only Cook and Taylor can be put in that category and they have just started so could go either way. Byram has class but you have to doubt his character with his displays this season and last. Mowatt gives a dozen good games a season but we put a 6 mill tag on him. Ince went to derby for less than 5 and I know who I would rather have.
Evans needs to start being ruthless, managers come here and seem too want to please the fans by picking the favourites, when half of them should not be on pitch. Doukara Sloth, Erwin, Bianchi, Phillips, Coyle should all be getting playing time as they are no worse than what's on the pitch and you need to find 11 players who can work together and adapt as the game progresses.
Cook, Taylor and Berardi are the only ones who have the right to expect to be in the team. Botaka should be starting games as he is one who can inspire the others with his skill and pace and needs to get used to pace of game, 20 minutes here and there are pointless.
In jan we need to overhaul defenders, left back, at least one center back, a creative pacy midfielder (Sloth? ) and a left winger. Letting Monty, Adryan and Del Fabro go was a mistake in my opinion as it left us short in depth but if they did not get games agents won't let them hang about. Hopefully Cellino is still interested enough to invest in jan.

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29 Nov 2015 08:34:14
Just a thought, but look how Leicester are doing since getting rid of Wood!
Maybe we should try getting rid too!

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29 Nov 2015 08:10:08
so how long before changes same team most weeks same style . something got to happen phillips Erwin byram . front two no goals so we need a change . did evens think bring in one player would solve it . tactics have we got any . same old on paper great team on pitch it just doesn't work . wood tought great 20 games and nothing but plays ever game why . Erwin now has to be given a go . nothing to lose.

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28 Nov 2015 23:55:03
Clearly before Pearson left there was stability and settled feeling throughout the club. That status no longer exists. Cellino's cash if honest is all I'm interested in, the man is bonkers and that's being kind.

When the owner keeps chopping and changing his mind staying or selling it just beggars belief anyone can feel settled at the club. No wonder we are so inconsistent. Cellino picking the team despite what Evans wants, he's got the lip on about Byram and won't play him, lucky we have world class talent in Wooten to cover.

Wood is total carp, complete waste of 3 mill, wouldn't pay 3 p for him.

What are the FL playing at, dragging their heels about MC disqualification, how long does it take to make this decision - another FL attempt to disrupt and unsettle Leeds.

Hoping our results improve. MOT.

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29 Nov 2015 12:09:27
There is one person to blame for our current predicament,Cellino. Cellino brought in someone to buy players last season. A lot of them are still here. Most not good enough. Cellino brought in Hockaday, everyone to a man knew that was a mistake. Cellino brought in Darko and everyone said "who"? Doesn't know the league. We started to get it right, then Cellino sacked Thompson. Cellino won't pay the market rate for players (something bates was critism for) we end up with players who are bargain basement. Coaches who will work on monthly contracts, who will pick whoever the owner tells them. Cellino picked a fight with Sam Byram, destroying his confidence and harming his career. Come January Cellino thinks someone is going to spend £6 million plus on Scott Wotten's understudy. Someone will need to be sold to pay for the cost of all the court cases the club have been dragged into, thanks to Cellino ' erratic behaviour. Cellino is a one man disaster zone. He has a negative midas touch, everything he touches turns to s.

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