Leeds Banter Archive November 02 2015

 

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02 Nov 2015 22:48:23
There was talk at the weekend about players having the right aptitude to play at Leeds, I would add that goes for Presidents too!

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03 Nov 2015 04:23:50
At least the President didn't land himself or the club in even bigger trouble (possible? ) by allegedly (eds will be pleased) showing Uwe an email from Evans wanting the managerial job as Rosler was still the incumbent.

Hang on.

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03 Nov 2015 09:53:33
Club will not be in trouble he approached us. Well done to him at least he wanted the job. All he did was hand his cv out, probably heard the fans so thought he had a shout.

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03 Nov 2015 12:52:49
If he approached us, how is there no case to answer?

Rosler has complained to the LMA. Maybe you can tell him everything is fine.

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03 Nov 2015 13:59:58
Sorry but little class being shown by both Uwe Loser and Cellino.

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03 Nov 2015 15:13:58
George case for Evans to answer, Cellino did nothing wrong, Evans approached him saw an opening, Cellino was sacking Rosler anyway, then or later, so he got the job. Evans might get a letter of condemnation from lma.

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02 Nov 2015 20:45:49
i have not posted for ages now but thought my 2pence was worth throwing about.
LFU should not be buying the club. we need someone who has money and experience of running a football club. everyone who I talk to about leeds, always says we are the best football club to buy as we are set up with facilitys and the fans . doesn't have to be a dodgy russian tycoon, but you can drea MOT.

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03 Nov 2015 04:04:42
I think you are spot on as our fans group have the best for our club at heart, it's a whole lot different in practice. Also the vast amounts of money required are far harder to raise .

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03 Nov 2015 07:30:04
Correct. If anyone thinks that spending a few quid on shares gives them the ability to decide who we buy and how we run the club then they are completely misguided. Nor will ticket prices suddenly drop. The bills still need paying and if they can't be paid then as a credible 'partner' you will be expected to cough up more money whilst watching your share value drop. It's admirable, gallant and bold but without a viable working capital and ability to raise additional funds sadly this could destroy us - even if it is all meant in the best interest of the club. Jumble sales and car washing events won't cut it - sad but true.

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02 Nov 2015 19:08:58
Bridcutt signing for us on loan. Very good player at this level.

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02 Nov 2015 19:32:56
Another CM then? Why aren't we looking at Pritchard or Teixeira? They're the creative playmakers we're lacking. We also need a CB in too.

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02 Nov 2015 20:13:55
DM SG90. Take strain off Adeyemi. Badly needed.

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02 Nov 2015 22:39:06
Strain off Adeyemi? He's played, what, 7 or 8 games?
Don't see your point George.

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03 Nov 2015 01:32:53
Close Cork. He's played 13 out of 14 games totalling 1000 minutes according to lufc o/s. Point is he deserves and requires a rest to maintain form. It's a concept called cover and squad rotation. Maybe you've heard of it? Thought it was trite understanding you acquire cover for each position these days or would you prefer Bellendusci to step up to the plate?

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03 Nov 2015 10:48:20
So he does what 70 odd minutes a game average. What I mean is we need a creator of chances. Buy who is another matter. We have plenty of CMs but no ball players as such. Point taken though.

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03 Nov 2015 12:41:55
Cork

Finding next Gary Mac not easy. He has never been replaced not even under O'Dreary. We aren't exactly going to find such a player available for an affordable financial package in the loan or transfer window. We must therefore build up and improve team wherever else we can. A better goalkeeper would work wonders as will a better center forward.

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03 Nov 2015 13:42:10
I agree George but we not exactly short of CMs.

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03 Nov 2015 15:03:41
He's not strictly a CM. He's a DM.

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03 Nov 2015 17:34:11
George he is a midfielder. Stop being picky.

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02 Nov 2015 19:06:03
MC says he is not coming back after what he was put throughout at the Blackburn game . Firstly I would say man up, secondly if all the fans said that and took that attitude after what we have been put through over the last 15 years and during your stewardship in the last 2 years, you would have no club . Decent decent men like McDermott, Redfern, Thompson and Uwe treated poorly and never given a proper chance . You brought your current situation on yourself I am afraid . Thirdly maybe with you not around we may do a lot better as before.

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02 Nov 2015 20:15:10
PA

Good post. He is behaving like a baby. Lol.

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02 Nov 2015 17:48:36
Have to agree with others I would want us now to see what potential investors are out there willing to invest. First and foremost we need the right person (s) and hope they have significant funds to clear the debts/legal cases/ buy the ground and to work out what is going to happen with Thorpe Arch. To do that is I believe out of reach of LFU. I say that based on the individuals who are known to either part of LFU as a group highlighted in the YEP today or were the businessmen who were connected to the original bid. However there may be others involved this time who together could give us that financial clout and I would welcome them to buy the club.

However I do not believe the fans would be outraged if we went with somebody else though, if they offered greater investment and organisation to the club. For example would we turn down Cortese, he was linked originally with buying Southampton on behalf of the richest man in China worth about 8 billion or so, if they came as a package, I certainly would not turn them away.

I was not impressed by the comments by LFU that the fans would not be happy going elsewhere, as I don't believe that is the case and is misleading in the current circumstances to speak on our behalf.

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02 Nov 2015 20:17:10
Markdavo

Regarding your last paragraph could not agree more.

Fans shouldn't own a club anyway.

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02 Nov 2015 22:54:57
Whilst on the one hand I applaud the 100% aims of the fans group I dread the thought of Leeds being run by any group who have to scrape the money together to buy the club without having oodles of cash for all the extras. I also see no harmony in having decisions made by any form of democratic organisation, let alone a committee. So 3 cheers for forcing the issue but please do not muddy the waters for any potential billionaire/multinational organisation saviour. Lastly I hope that MC truly wants the best for Leeds United and does not have some twisted sense of schadenfruede in him.

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{Ed003's Note - Tom Reed wrote an excellent piece this week in the Guardian in which he quotes Brian Lomax saying "Don’t accept tin-pot saviours and two-bit conmen believing it’s them or oblivion, because it’s not ".

Brian started the first ever supporters trust over 20 years ago,
In my opinion supporters trusts are the way forward.

Brian sadly passed away last night,A true pioneer for supporters of those who agree and those that will eventually agree. }

02 Nov 2015 16:01:46
Why are we so intent on getting rid of massimo, I see the best option for the leeds fan group would be to buy out GFH and work with massimo, it is clear GFH don, t won't to put any more money into the club but massimo with the right partner would so GFH out.

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02 Nov 2015 20:27:29
GFH are not a willing seller. Not unless you buy them out pretending the value is equivalent to a top 6 PL team. In other words, I believe they won't sell unless you hand them 50m possibly even 60m. In Fans' eyes may as well buy Cellino's bigger shareholding first.

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02 Nov 2015 13:53:57
I have never thought mc had enough money to do the job properly but was hoping he would have a bit of luck and get us up quick and get his payday
He hasn't and we now need a lot more money to fix the problems. But
I firmly believe he has done his best. He has invested money in team etc. I think he chose manages poorly but most of the players he has bought have been worth giving a go. Players that have been good or shown potential
I think we should be grateful to him tbh cause he has done shitloads more than gfh or bates!
It maybe time for him to move on it maybe not but I believe he has saved Leeds from prob administration and turned us into a profitable concern. Not a great team but a worthwhile business proposition!

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02 Nov 2015 14:25:46
I agree with you Ausman. He's done some good things for us and whilst he pisses me off a lot I'm not sure I want him to leave and I don't think the fans buying him out will come off. I just wish he'd employ people to do the other work needed at the club and let them do their jobs properly without him hanging over them all the time.
He shoots himself in the foot with his temperament, Whilst his constant chopping and changing of managers has caused confusion and uncertainty.
However, it is still the players who are to blame for going out week after week and putting in pitiful performances. They need to collectively grow a pair now!

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02 Nov 2015 17:39:40
Couple of month he'd be banned anyway, plus another year for yacht and 3 for embezzlement, we would not have seen a lot of him anyway, but we would be safe.

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02 Nov 2015 20:29:04
BIGE

Nice to meet someone of a like mind!

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02 Nov 2015 13:24:37
It seems to me that opinion (on here) is split between who should buy us and the majority wouldn't see LFU as the best option. This hasn't stopped Dylan Thwaites claiming that any other bid would generate a hostile reaction from Leeds fans!

I think this comes across as a veiled threat and he is NOT the opinion of all Leeds fans, maybe only those with shares in LFU.

I for one would welcome a bid from Cortese as got Southampton into the Premier and look at them now.

MM.

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02 Nov 2015 13:37:05
It is hoped that have the funds in place to demand exclusivity otherwise they can threaten all they like, it will make no difference.

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02 Nov 2015 15:53:48
Not just a question of finding the money to purchase the club there is also the issue of having adequate resouces to fund it operationally.

This whole thing sounds wonderfully romantic - fans purchase club - but dangerous and potentially could leave the club in a more perilous position.

Maybe there plan is merely to acquire the club and then flip it to a third party?

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02 Nov 2015 16:22:50
If Thwaites and LFU really want to help the club, SURELY their logical first step is to leave Cellino where he is for now and buy the one asset that we don't yet own despite all the promises Elland Road, raising the funds for this is a more realistic prospect than trying to buy Celino out for what will be in all honesty an unrealisitic figure with no tangible asset at the end of the deal, then and only then will they be in a much stronger position to negotiate with either MC or prospective buyers, a seat on the board and some financial strength as they would own a very valuable asset, if memory serves me right Stamford Bridge is owned by the fans and not Abramovich. Just a thought.

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02 Nov 2015 17:46:04
Veiled threats and moral blackmail will not help their cause.

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02 Nov 2015 09:00:44
One way Leeds Fans United could buy the club is through a deal to purchase a nominal upfront amount and fund the rest of the purchase through a loan by Cellino or other. This would be roughly the same way the Glazers took over Man United.
Of course, the Glazers had some idea of what they were doing (albeit saddling the club with a stonking great debt pile) having done it already in NFL and had the backing of multi-billions in assets to reassure the finanical institutions investing. I doubt LFU has anywhere near the same clout.
Pearson taking over would be my ideal shout in the same deal as outlined, above if he has trouble finding backers.
Wouldn't immediately be good for the club as there wouldn't be a huge amount flying around to invest whilst the debt is paid off. I just don't think we'll get the benevolent billionaire angel scenario that some people are hoping for. It doesn't happen that often in any sector.
In any case, Cellino needs to back off, calm down and push any potential sale through an intermediary because his emotions are clearly getting the better of his business acumen. I've defended him because his business decisions are largely good (the club is much better off, financially and nobody can argue otherwise), but he's far too emotionally invested in football to keep a clear head.

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02 Nov 2015 12:40:05
Cellino will not take a loss so if LFU can come up with funds to accomodate this he will sell to them. If not he will say, I gave you the chance you could not do it and either keep or sell to some one else. He will know what price he wants and he will not budge on it. The fact is he did not need to buy us but he did and he is only selling as the fans want him out so he will not drop the price to help them.

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