Leeds Banter Archive December 30 2012

30 Dec 2012 23:45:19
as debouchy's arrival at newcastle is close, danny simpson's contract is out in the summer, worth a punt?
dreggs

30 Dec 2012 23:24:33
Will you all stop posting rumours around about becchio and byram are leavening because Niel Warnock and GFH Capital will not sell the import players less there is a big problem.

Correct, and mick jones said yesterday that byram is staying at Leeds

30 Dec 2012 22:49:21
I posted a few weeks ago that c wood was Leeds striking target but we could not compete with lecister.(I got told we could and I'd made it up ) I said we will end up with King, But he wants to stay at Brum.Hope it's not going to be knock back after nock back. And Warnock will not be sacked this season, it was part off the tearms involved in the take over. Only way he goes is If bates drops them terms.

F**k all to do with bates

...he could always resign... I live in hope

30 Dec 2012 21:23:14
Dont think there in to much of a rush to spend the cash
they will wait until the end of the season, They will spend the next few months touting for a new manager
and they will have someone in mind

30 Dec 2012 20:23:22
So i have just read an article about Leeds losing out to Leicester in signing the Kiwi goal scorer Chris Woods, Due to Leeds not being able to match Leicester's 1.25 million winning bid with the fee rising to a possible 2 mill. I find this quite alarming that the new owners are not capable of competing with the Foxes, According to Warnock no one can compete with the Foxes in this League, so just what does this say about GFHC ? So the question is were all the rumours true about them having no money, January will tell the true tale one thinks......MOT
MJB66

It says we aren't spending crazy money on a striker who is no better than what we have already

Cardiff can compete with Leicester they spent 12 million quid in the summer on players more than leicester spent.

It's not so much the transfer fee, as the wages. Leicester are willing to offer £25k plus for low level championship players...house of sand as we know.

When leicester's benefactors get bored the club will completely self-destruct. I'm glad our owners are building something sustainable that could exist without them - paying chris wood 30k a week, or paying beckford 38k is not that.

just as long as they don't do a bates and farm out our all our good players i'm happy. we'd be top two right now with any two of johnson, snod, howson, gradel

30 Dec 2012 19:52:43
How about employing mcallister as our scout as for me we ain't had a better talent spotter since him and I'm not referring to of all time just recently. He signed both becchio and snoddy. Surely worth a shout.

30 Dec 2012 17:56:58
Getting back to basics our defence is not good enough.

Before new players we need an excellent defensive coach. Arsenal brought back Steve Bould, why can't we look for ex world renown defender. Get organised.

Then look for prem defenders not getting games but still have the skill and desire for championship.

Our midfield lacks creativity we need someone who can turn a game with the correct pass or movement. There are plenty who currently sit on the bench of premiership clubs.

I think Warnock is wrong I believe two of our three strikers currently will score goals given the right service. A third striker who once he's had games will do the same.

Our home form is not bad 7 wins in the league 4 in the cup
3 league losses but one of which we were down to 9 men, and 2 league draws which means we have made more points at home than the bottom three clubs have made in total.

We have the best away following in the league so believe the players with the right mind set (play away games as if they were playing at home) using our fans could change their away form.

Honestly I think we need four players and an excellent and experienced defender to become our defensive coach. {Ed037's Note - I agree, someone like Robert Koren or Mark Davies would be perfect in midfield (no chance of getting those two though!)... and i think we have the makings of a solid defence, they just need to be taught HOW TO DEFEND!}

How about putting the call through to the chief himself, ..Lucas. ( Radebe, not The Cat!)for defensive coach, then if things didnt work out end of season for NW re promotion, Lucas could simply take over.
Obviously untested but i think he would make an excellent manager.

LLHB MOT

Lucas did say not so long back that one day he would love to manage leeds.

I'd agree Lucas as a defensive coach, but why oh why do we always want ex-players as managers when they have little or no experience. We can do better than taking a punt on an ex-player as a manager, let them be remembered for what they were good at.

30 Dec 2012 21:41:41
I know it is not always the best idea to go for ex players for manager but in the case of the Chief i would make an exception. I feel he could restore the trust and pride that has been worn away in the last few years. He could grow in to the role and bring the kids along as well. They could be known as Radebe's Rugrats!!

30 Dec 2012 17:25:25
Carnt believe the carp that's going on on here.sack warnock
???? Reckon all you arm chair fans shud get a life then a job then av a trip down to Elland road and watch a game.sick t death of hearing moaning an bitching dat goes on with the supposedly best fans in the country bol###ks just a set of moaning wingeing plebs ye I said the p word an by the way season ticket holder 4 32 year.its like bin sat in a room full of women after a few bottles of wine just stop the moaning and blaming of every1 else keep it tight lipped fill the ground and support the boys Neil will get it write mot {Ed007's Note - I am going to take a wild guess that your job is not a professor of English Literature.}

HA HA HA HA nice one Ed

30 Dec 2012 18:20:32
for me Warnock as got until mid January to turn things around with a few million to spend .if improvement is shown by then he should be given another few million to really push for promotion but if no improvement by mid January then he should be sacked

Why give warnock millions and until mid January then more millions then until end of Jan, I for one have seen enough of his tactics to say i no longer want him as Leeds manager. Even if we had enough money and bought the Man U team he would still have us playing long ball and keep our best players on the bench. Warnock is passed his sell by date.

I too am a season ticket holder and have been for a while and i pay £520 a season so i will moan about the team when i feel they play mediocre football, and ill moan about the manager when i think his team selection and tatics are wrong....
you need to stop worrying about what other fans are doing and concentrate on your own individual support

Ed007 maybe not pal but let's get it straight how many games you been to in last 12 months and does your wife no you spend all your time dressed in her clothes sat at the PC pretending to know anything about football {Ed007's Note - So which big team do you follow when you aren't watching Leeds?}

A true fan is not one who will settle for years of mediocrity and as well as a season ticket you can also set up a direct debit into Bates and warnocks bank accounts. The reason there is unrest with the fans is because we do not get value for money (in fact it is only the fans that are actually worth watching...well done blue santa's) If you want to settle for average go to Huddersfield, I want the best at Leeds and at this moment we aint got it.
If you pay fror a season ticket you are the customer and you have bought the entitlement to moan if you want?? Go away dog botherer

Haha well saiddd mate

Lol Ed

Ermm have we or have we not just been taken over?.fair enough you pay your money but come on we've been under bates for how long, finally after all the f###ing about for the last year we have rid of him from a decision point yes we have been poor yes we need players in but at least give Neil the chance to build a team with some cash if at the end of feb where in the same position then start questioning his position.

If Warnock is given money and builds a team only for him to be leaving in may for someone else to come in and dismantle the team to put their own stamp on it, it does not make sense. Warnock should be given the green light for loan deals then if it goes nipples up then we give players back if there is promotion the new manager could have the opportunity to keep them on

30 Dec 2012 20:41:10
People pay alot of money week in and week out to watch our beloved team play , or try to play , football or should i say hoofball. Is this site not a place we can vent our anger at a shambles of a team , of which i have sujpported through good and bad , for over 40 yrs. We have a manager , and i use the term lightly, who is seeing out his days until he buggers off in May ( i hope well before ) and has no passion for this club. We deserve someone who will kick the players @rses when they put in dire displays like they have over the last two games and others before that instead of saying ' ah well they are a better team than us , onto the next game '
People aren't bitching , its called passion for a club that we all love and hate to see playing worse than a bloody Sunday league team and players that thinks its funny to be 4 goals down.
P.S if i didn't 'bitch' on here our lass would get it

Ah Ah....plebs? Classic! Vinny.

30 Dec 2012 21:34:20
Exactly, get Kenny and Brown out of the team now, they don't deserve the privilege of wearing the shirt. I would rather see Cairns and Thompson anyday and if Warnock condones their behaviour by continually picking them get him out too.

30 Dec 2012 16:39:17
whats the bets that after QPR's humiliation at the hands of Liverpool, Rednapp get shut of some deadwood. Guess where they will go??
Hill and Derry to name only two, still better than we have already.

30 Dec 2012 16:05:28
Message to Warnock: The definition of insanity is repeating the same mistakes over and over and expecting a different outcome (Michael Brown, Luke Varney, the long ball etc.) And selecting Lee Peltier as club captain!

Do you watch matches? Brown and Varney have been our best players

RobofLeeds {Ed037's Note - Do you watch matches mate?}

30 Dec 2012 15:51:18
If gfh decide to let Warnock stay and sign a few players he should only have a few games in the new year.im guessing if things don't change soon he will get the sack after January

NW won't get the sack. He has a contract til the end of season. If GFH-C are bright enough, they should simply pay off NW for the remainder of his contract now and back a new manager well-versed in modern day football. NW can still walk away with his head held high citing mutual consent. Maybe give him a little bonus for enduring a year of lies from KB....

30 Dec 2012 15:20:44
Im with most of the leeds fans on this one, i think warnock ius definately the right manager because its neil warnock, he has been there, done it and the master of promotion. i mean i wish you leeds fans would stop moaning about the signings being terrible and that the football is drab and that we are losing nearly every game, and had the worst thrashings the club has ever seen at elland road since warnock joined, who Cares! its Warnock and you wont find better manager than him around. who cares if the team are obviously rubbish, i like the most leeds fans i speak to think we are much better off now than when we were vying for promotion with grayson. grayson never had it did he! he didnt know how to defend! at least warnock is a big name.and who cares if we relegated, we have warnock! in warnock we trust. ps graysons signing were terrible! at least warnock has brought in world class players and hes definately the right manager to take us forward, especially with him retiring at the end of the season. may i add the coaching staff of ronnie jepson and ronnie jepson plus ronnie jepson is world class. class defence, attack, ball control coach. long live warnock.

Funny man, who do you support?

First reply man.....The original poster is right, we are interested in results today and as it stands Warnocks win ratio is pants to say the least. His reputation is not winning us matches, the points and goal difference do not lie, take a look and if your happy with that then you may as well support Huddersfield. Take your lack of ambition elswhere.

Is that you Neil?

I think there is a hint of sarcasm in the original post !!!

Original poster, lufc fan, I apologise for my sarcastic rant. I was having a go at the leeds fans who actually worship Warnock and claim that we are still going to get promoted and that Grayson was rubbish. I can't believe how many fans I have to bit my tongue with who still slag Grayson off and hype up Warnock when the proof is in the pudding.last season I attended every game and actually enjoyed the matchday football. Even the Birmingham game when Simon got sacked I thought if we had took our chances we would have won that day.then Warnock came in, and after the forest game, I coukdnt attend another game that season. So far this season I've supported him, been to every game until after the Watford game, I cannot bare to watch the football that is ooffer from the club.£36 a games a lot of money when you have a family and budgets. I coukdnt even find it in myself to go to the Chelsea game. Watched it on sky instead. What we had under Grayson was that spirit of promotion and ambition to get promoted again, that spirit left soon as he got sacked. I'm not saying get Grayson back, but the current management team is not working. We need a fresh approach.a big name.a bit of excitement.an exciting player or two coming through the door.I'm not talking tonge, Thomas, Tate. Tell me this , whose looked better in goal for us this season Kenny or ashdown? Ashdown for me. I'm envious of Brighton, bridge left back ! Makail smith up front. Watford vydra is superb.chalobah? Where the hell were our scouts? Another rant over I can go on forever.

Loved the original post. Irony at it's best :0

30 Dec 2012 13:53:16
First time post ! but as a genuine Leeds fan for the past 40 years I guess I feel like the rest of you. There is a couple of things that anger me .. 1 is that we all know football is about scoring goals ! so to see that we had our 1st on target attempt in the 91st min yesterday says it all. 2 have you noticed the goal difference column, not just this year but the last few years have been the same, yet it has never been addressed. 3 Only my opinion but any great sportsman or team need three things .. Ruthlessness, passion & quality (Hate to say it but Ferguson & Schumacker sum that up for me) but what do we have year on year 4 It baffles me how the likes of Wigan can compete and remain in the prem for the last 7/8 years and yet our great club has become anything but these days. And finally I live in Swindon, Paulo de Canio was furious and tore his team to shreds the other week when Swindon 'beat' top of the table Tramere 5-0 why because we missed a penalty .. his passion, desire and ruthless streak is what Leeds need. It just baffles me that for several years the management just seem content to keep this great club in the doldrums. Something has to change as it is just isnt acceptable .. but sadly i can not see it happenning at present.

Agree with you about di Canio, warnocks teams have been labelled in the same way over the years......not sure what has happened over the last few games

Saleem patel and david haigh are as bad as bates so dont expect improvement. gfh out

Big admirer of Paolo. would be a terrific choice when (and i mean when) Warnock is replaced.

30 Dec 2012 12:48:31
I think DJ Campbell would be a good signing as his loan at Ipswich is up in January he has 10 goals in 16 appearances and has a bit of pace, would be the perfect complement for Becchio. Warnock likes him as he signed him for QPR and he has already looked at a Premiership striker that's done well on loan in Chris Wood plus he has said he expects 2 new players in by the Barnsley game on the 12th which coincides with the end of Campbell's loan. A possibility I think and would be a good signing too.

30 Dec 2012 11:01:00
Everyone seems to be hating on warknock but to be fair he's probably done the best of a bad situation, look at the money he had avalible. I'm sure the squad wouldn't be this poor if he could really add the players he wants. I personally don't believe we need a striker yes add pace but we need creativity in midfield, and a defender to sure up defence, of the loanees how many would you keep I'd only consider Tomas as when he can he was good.a little dip in form but everything was going though him.

Warnocks record at Leeds is worse than Grayson's and he has had more dosh to spend?? explain that for me please!

More money? I don't think so.

Warnock's competing in a much tougher championship. No comparison.

Warnock has spent more on his fullbacks than Grayson had. Two outstanding fullbacks NOT

3rd reply poster
Please define a "tougher Championship"?
Are there fewer teams promoted and more relegated? have all the players become better all of a sudden? if so the England team is going to be a good one this time round. It is the same second tier as it has always been stop making excuses for the manager, he was brought in to do a job, get us promoted. All he has done is ship out Graysons team and replace it with the same crap. OK your going to harp on about him not having any money, well he knew that when he took the job and still told us he is looking to get us promoted. All leagues are tough if you do not have a good team and we certainly fit that bill at the moment. Are you crap at your job and blame the tools?

30 Dec 2012 15:59:45
Half a mill for pugh! Can't even give him away-nuff said

Pugh bad signing I agree but warnock has paid more for peltier and I would be mad if I found him!

Over 1m wasted on Pugh and peliter, plus since whites new contract (pay rise) he's hardly played. Reckon this current squads wages will be higher than Grayson's squad.

30 Dec 2012 10:09:24
Come on GFH get the cheque book out, we need six QUALITY players and dam QUICK! PA

GFH Don't have a lot of cash to spend, so it will be more loans and only spend what cash is raised through transfers out. In other words - same old, same old !

30 Dec 2012 09:41:54
Look guys I am a Leeds fan through thick and thin and adore our beloved club but lets be real for a second. GFH are not gonnna spend stupid money this window. So all you dreamers linking us with Malouda and other mega earners are in noddyland. We must put our trust in the future and bring in some young blood ready for next season, people who actually want to wear our famous white shirt instead of looking at their pay cheques. Our current squad is nowhere near good enough to make the playoffs so lets blood the youth and go full tilt next year. MOT.

Wow a realist great shout lets get a couple of decent players in for this league not people wanting a major wage ........... Kevlufc

We do not know what GFH mean by stupid money there perspective on stupid may be higher than ours!

30 Dec 2012 09:03:32
If warnock did get sacked does anyone think Paul Lambert would be a good replacement. I know he's doing rubbish at Villa but took Norwich up from L1 and Championship and then did good un the prem with them. I think he would be a good pick.

30 Dec 2012 11:02:52
How can anyone click no to this?? Paul Lambert would be a fantastic choice. Have we forgotten what he did for Norwich in this division?

Lambert will turn it around at Villa. Very good manager.
Highly unlikely we'd be able to tempt him to Leeds

Once Villa sack him, which knowing Villa won't be long he would jump at the chance to manage Leeds, still rather have Warnock though..

30 Dec 2012 00:24:34
What we have at the moment is pure carp.
Please imagine this plausible team

Kenny
Bryam lees Pearce White
Austin Tonge Green
Thomas Lambert Antonio

All managed by Gus Poyet.

Be chio, Ross, McCail smith, Tate, Norris

Is it just me or is that a team with flair, strength, pace, youth and experience?

Less than 2, 000, 000 spent.

Less than 2m spent on which of lamberts feet? or the compo for poyet? or mcail smith?

Aidy White at left back? That lad can't defend for toffee let alone the new improved contract he has. A midfield with Tongue in...average. I presume you mean Lambert from Southampton who scored again yesterday in the Prem League, so not available. And Antonio from Wednesday a bitter Yorkshire rival with a wealthy owner? Unlikely mate.

30 Dec 2012 06:14:14
Less than 2 million spent .how much you think Lambert and cms will cost ?

Have you watched Pearce, lees and white try to defend? With the help of kenny, Tate and peltier they have already conceded 42 goals this season, we would be letting in enough goals with this defence to get relegated.

29 Dec 2012 22:30:30
I worried now. We HAVE to spend big in jan. if we can't compete with other clubs for players there was no point GFH taking us over cus the crowds will drop even more if at least 4 quality players AREN'T signed. Warnock is starting to worry me cus he hints we have no real clout or is he just being secretive. Hope it's the latter.
BTW this season is not the season even if we get to the playoffs we will not win because we won't sign 4-6 quality players in jan

30 Dec 2012 06:21:35
Warnock just means we won't spend 20k + pw on wages .if liecester want a player that bad they will win against any championship club.we won't over spend and until we get rid of the poor players and reduce squad we won't be paying much higher wages.