Leeds Banter Archive December 30 2016

30 Dec 2016 22:32:30
Looking forward to our next 5 games, I would be thinking at least 12 points.

30 Dec 2016 23:07:52
Who are they? I know we have Rotherham at home.

31 Dec 2016 04:08:14
Don't worry yourself about it Cur.

30 Dec 2016 19:41:32
Putting my two pence in about the greatest manager debate. I think it depends on the context you define greatest. Does it go on trophies won, the circumstances they worked in, the legacy they built etc. I'm too young to remember the revie era, but in terms of trophies and legacy, then yes he is our greatest, but is BW correct, was he a great manager? is he in the same league as ferguson, shankley, even some of the managers in the pm now? In terms of achievements in general I think that cloudy is the greatest we've had, but sad to say he wasn't given enough of an opportunity to show his genius, as he upset people, O'deary is, well, just that, less said about him the better! My greatest managers who have managed our great club, but not necessarily achieved greatness with us are
1. Clough, 2. The don
3. Sgt wilko
4. very Terribles (hate him and dreadful for us, but did win la liga, the UEFA cup and semi finals of the euros) 😳.

30 Dec 2016 19:59:54
Cur On your thinking Cantona greatest ever player for us. Anyone who sticks Clough ahead of Don screw loose.

30 Dec 2016 20:09:55
Georgie you've missed my point! For us, then yes don is our greatest, but as a manager then cloth must shade it! 2 consecutive champions leagues (as I now) ! we haven't won one!

30 Dec 2016 20:16:28
Oh a George, is there a player who has worn our kit who is more highly decorated than cantona?

30 Dec 2016 20:39:42
Cur I don't care if Eric is more decorative than the Duke of Argyll liking on Cantona or Clough to that extent is loony. May I remind you about Clough's insistence we be demoted a couple of divisions or worse just for being hard during games. Do you think Bates best Chairman too? After all he had vision to sell chelsea to roman who is their best owner. Your thinking very "unLeeds like". I am confident rest of board will agree with me. Don is best manager for Leeds ever. Billy best player for Leeds ever.

30 Dec 2016 20:55:05
George you're being a bit of a pompous ass tonight! Are we not all entitled to our opinions? you have again missed my point, for gods sake read the post before you mouth off! Yes will at least don is without doubt OUR greatest manager, but over all I believe of all our managers clough is better (in footballing history) . Yes billy is a great for us, but of all the players ever are you not considering any others who have ever worn our shirt and gone on to achieve great things else where?

30 Dec 2016 20:57:12
George may I remind you that three of the team people like you didn't like followed him and won the European cup, whilst we fell out of the league. I am not being 'unless like'! I am voicing my opinion on football, the game we all love!

30 Dec 2016 22:09:52
Cura-nail. If you beat George into submission so that he 'does a oneleeds' then you've only got Mad Mick to go to top dog. You'll have to get past all of MM's SIL's underwear first though just to find him 👙.

30 Dec 2016 22:21:41
Lucas my friend I have no desire to beat anyone into submission. I don't know why George has been like this tonight. I usually have a lot of respect for his posts. We are all Leeds and should be showing the unity and team ethic as the lads on the field. Bet the lads didn't throw their toy out of the pram with cooper last night! we need to be the same!

30 Dec 2016 22:25:08
Lucas, 'Currahee' means 'we stand alone'! this is something us Leeds fans know all about! this is something we painting around elland road!

30 Dec 2016 22:42:25
i agree, it comes down to two things, the greatest manager or player to play for Leeds or the greatest manager or player for leeds. The greatest Managers to manage leeds has to be Clough, he is without doubt the greatest to manage leeds.

what he won with unpopular poor teams is amazing, was it three euro cups with two different teams. George Graham and EL Tel also had better careers than the Don. Then greatest for leeds come down to two different things is the greatest measured by what they won, so the don is our best manager and Sprake is our best keeper followed by Lukic and Harvey.

Or is it measured by what they achieve with what they have? I think wilko winning getting us up, coming 4th first season and winning it the year after with far from the best sqaud is more of an achievement (Greater) than don winning very little with a wealth of world class players. Don had a world cup winner and the first player to win footballers footballer of the year at CB wilko had a spurs and west brom rejects at CB, Don had our best ever player imo (lorimer) with greay (as good as George best on the wing).

wliko had no wingless wonders, Don had Bremner, Wilko was forced to sell batty. when you consider all this I think it is quite obvious Wilko's achievement was greater than the Dons. I also think consdiering what Don had in his team and the world class players he had we should of won more and think it is hard to be objective and look at the reive era without thinking they should of done better and won more.

as for don being better than clough no one outside of leeds would agree with that and I think that says it all. this said I love the don and his team and spend many great moments watching this wonderful team, I just think wilko's achievement was far greater.

30 Dec 2016 22:54:20
Why is nobody mentioning brolin or darko.

30 Dec 2016 22:55:54
Curahee, I was being facetious again. I'm well aware of the meaning. I'm the 'person' of this site and don't give a hoot. As we all told oneleeds a short while ago, this is a banter site and we all extract the urine out of each other now and again. Gorgeous George often has his moments, it's like PMT and all depends on the lunar cycle. Wexy baby has got that close that they're almost synced.

30 Dec 2016 22:57:07
Bermondsey, thank you. you have managed to articulate exactly what I was hoping to put across. I suppose that is your professional expertise coming through.

30 Dec 2016 23:00:07
Watch it lucas.

30 Dec 2016 23:02:38
There is taking the piss and not allowing people an opinion.

30 Dec 2016 23:09:33
thanks mate, I think it is not my expertise coming through, more of the fact I am a bit of an Arse and like to try and make my point when I think I have one! I do respect revie and appreciate all who love him and hail him as the greatest.

I just personally think clough won more and wilko did more with what he had, but all opinions have their merit, apart from Hockaday, he is just a stupid useless waste of space.

30 Dec 2016 23:19:52
Bermondsey, my thoughts exactly. Hope you have a good new year my friend. MOT!

30 Dec 2016 23:25:35
Lol Wexy, love you and everyone one on this site.

30 Dec 2016 23:27:54
cheers mate you as well. I have a sneeky feeling all leeds fans will have an enjoyable 2017 as we get back to where we should be.

30 Dec 2016 23:30:18
Curahee mate, looks like you're enjoying pissing george off and it also looks like you are doing a good job as he has gone to ground on this one as per usual when he's in stuck.

I see his point though on some. Shankly is adored at Liverpool because he set the ball rolling and Bob Paisley carried it forward. Actually Shankly's record is more or less the same as Revies at Leeds.

Difference being Leeds went outside the club for a manager after Revie and look what happened there. My personal opinion is that Clough was very lucky to win back to back Euro cups.

Again his record similar to Revies but over a longer period of time. Clough did it at unfashionable clubs? So did Revie. Leeds were nothing until Don came along. Clough was way overrated imo as he could never sustain success. One title for Forest in 20 odd years is hardly phenomenal.

So Curahee I can't agree on the Clough idea as our number 1 manager. In fact I believe you must be on a wind up to even say that. Revie should have won more at Leeds no doubt. Maybe he was just too greedy in trying to win everything and games caught up with Leeds by the end of a season, however, every single year we were there or thereabouts during his reign. That can't be said of Brian Clough.

30 Dec 2016 23:30:29
Well since the eds are obviously in bed. I want to get away with saying gluteus maximus too!

30 Dec 2016 23:42:46
Bermo, Revie built that great side from scratch. Two league titles, same as Clough but over a shorter time span. Leeds were always near the top under Revie, unlike Clough's Forest who had many seasons in mid to lower half of table.

I can't agree that Clough was the greatest manager to manage Leeds. The man failed Leeds of that I have no doubt.

31 Dec 2016 00:03:58
Cork I see your point and respect our comments. To be honest think we are all just wishing we'd won a little more in the past. maybe in the future.

31 Dec 2016 00:12:41
i see point, not leeds greatest manager but the greatest to manage leeds. have any managers won the european cup? the greatest club trophy? no only brain clough and he won it twice no one else comes close to that (sadly)

clough won First Division: 1971–72
Second Division: 1968–69
Texaco Cup: 1971–72
Watney Cup: 1970
Nottingham Forest[77]
First Division: 1977–78
League Cup: 1977–78, 1978–79, 1988–89, 1989–90
Full Members Cup: 1988–89, 1991–92
FA Charity Shield: 1978
European Cup: 1978–79, 1979–80
European Super Cup: 1979
Anglo-Scottish Cup: 1976–77

Football League Centenary Tournament: I think it is beyond doubt he was more successful (greater than Revie) when it comes to winning things, as for us Reive like O'leary was dealt a great hand and didn't always play it that well.

I prefer wilko sorry but I do. I also think larry achieved greatness considering he worked under bates.

31 Dec 2016 00:14:51
also I think as much as clough failed leeds the players failed clough. it was not a good fit sadly but clough went on to greatness our players went on to get religated. Hind sight is a great thing but when revie left leeds should of sold most of the sqaud and brought in clough with a entire (or largley) new team, then we would now have two european cups and few more cup and league wins rather than keep sayin what if.

31 Dec 2016 00:39:04
Bw. You are right all the way. A logical point. Well put over. Not sure why people on here not getting it. Cloth one more trophies so best manager. Not for us but overall.

31 Dec 2016 02:21:20
Sorry Curahee but I'm with George here. Clough won two euros yes but are these that much better than 2 fairs cups and the cup winners cup? (Not to mention the two euro titles we were scammed out of by Munich and Milan) . Remember back then only the champions from each country entered so you effectively had to beat one Spanish, German, Italian and Dutch team to win. Teams who qualified then for the Fairs cup and cup winners cup would now win the Champions League (man utd won it while not English champions) So Revie to me had the better record. Just remember the consistency as well with something like 5 runners up. No contest.

31 Dec 2016 04:05:27
Just because I don't respond all the time doesn't mean I'm stuck or beaten into submission. Furthermore I'd never do a oneleeds. Not my style. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is it is unbecoming a Leeds fan to love on Clough or Cantona. Is that really so controversial? I say Don was the best manager we ever had and coming runner up in 8 competitions is part of the proof. We were never even heard of until Don.

31 Dec 2016 04:11:53
Cur Thanks for explanation of your name. Proves my point. Our motto is MOT. Yours is the complete opposite.

31 Dec 2016 07:26:54
Don also chosen as England manager and built up a fair record. Clough never managed England.

31 Dec 2016 07:28:32
Revie also owned the best ever middle name. I rest my case.

31 Dec 2016 10:35:24
George again, if you read my post it means 'we stand alone', not I! We stand alone against the fa, the other clubs, sky! I understand I have touched a nerve with you, but come on, that's not a excuse to let yourself down! Oh a FYI I never once stated I love cantona or clough!

31 Dec 2016 21:32:08
So you are more than one person then? Bipolar?

30 Dec 2016 14:24:50
Some say monk had his plan last night but I disagree we were overan for first half I wonder what we would have done had Pablo been on from start.

30 Dec 2016 14:51:45
Imo a 100% fit Pablo would've started last night. He looked a bit useful when he came on. Villa were the home team, we were always not be the dominant team for periods in the game. It was very much like the game at er scrappy first and then we grew into the game in the 2nd.

30 Dec 2016 15:21:12
Wex. I think Monk has his plan for every game. That's one of the things I like about him. It's not going to work all of the time but he knows how to set up differently to suit the opposition. If the players play well we are going to win most games. It's only when they are below par we may struggle.

30 Dec 2016 16:16:19
Speedy what I was saying is that it was gm plan to contain villa in the first half and hit them in second half I don't believe that it was a master plan I believe we should have been stuck into villa from the off and that is where we were wrong last night.

30 Dec 2016 17:48:09
Not a master plan wex I agree, but an ok plan that nearly and should have worked.

30 Dec 2016 17:52:51
You can plan for what will happen in a game but you can't control what the opposition do. Villa have good players and if the crowd get behind them they are difficult to contain regardless of the plan so maybe we couldn't help but absorb the pressure?

30 Dec 2016 11:39:57
Well, in my 50 years supporting LUFC, and despite last nights result, and my obvious love for Larry, I'm thinking we might just possibly have the best manager we have had since the Don. The transformation over the last few months has been little short of miraculous. Thoughts?

30 Dec 2016 12:16:43
Can't disagree at all, and if he gets a few quid to spend this window . who knows what might happen :)

30 Dec 2016 12:49:48
Definitely in 4th or 5th the at the moment behind Sgt. Wilko, Larry and dare I say it O'Leary and maybe Graham. Give him a season or two more then I'm sure he'll be moving into second. I'm a massive monk fan, he's worked miracles this season so far and turned us into certain promotion favourites. First and most important signing in January must be monkey magic man.

30 Dec 2016 12:54:35
Are you forgetting Howard.

30 Dec 2016 13:15:08
Speedyg Comparing Monk to previous managers is worthless at this stage. However, my jury has returned. Not only is Monk good for Leeds though, we are good for him. Suitable match so credit to Cellino. Apart from his in game tactics and match day selection, he's caused a few players to improve notably Ayling Sako Doukara and Wood. Wex tell Daddy to provide him with a 3 year contract. With the upcoming transfer window and the partial takeover looming, there's a bit more work for Cellino to do before his ban in 6 weeks.

30 Dec 2016 14:40:46
i agree monk doing very very well but early days, o'dreary must be conisdered one of our poorest managers must he not? had so many gems and won nothing and killed club with bad buys, he did not make price but he did pick them. Also had this argument on FB and know this is contraversial and almost sacriliogous but I don't rate the Don as great, he was good and did ok but not our best mananger, considering the talent he had I think he did not win enough, underachieved and his team choaked too much. For me the don would of won more with that great team had he been a great manager. For me Wilko is our best ever manager simply because he overachieved for three years running, getting us up then 4th then champions was amazing Don won league only one more time but had a far better team. Larry did great to do what he did with bates ripping team apart and now monk doing well. Also he did not do it at leeds but our best ever manager was clough what he did at derby and forest (who were both average at best) showed how great he was and such a shame he was not allowed to do it at leeds. I am expecting to be slguahted but for me the don was not great.

30 Dec 2016 15:19:13
Bw, no comment.

30 Dec 2016 15:24:05
Probably think I'm weird but I was never mad on Howard. In all likelihood Cloughie may well have become our greatest. We will never know.

30 Dec 2016 15:39:33
i do understand my views on don a bit contraversial but as a fan who missed the days I always look at them as what if, almost and should of done better rather than overachieveing which is what I felt wilko did before it fell apart. also with wilko he was unlucky as he signed our three best players under o'leary (bowyer, martyn, radebe) so maybe had he stayed on a bit longer he might of had a second glory era but we will never know. again I love watching the revie team tapes but still think they should of won so much more. Imgaine if Fergie had that team they would of won everything time and time again.

30 Dec 2016 16:02:16
Bw, now you've mentioned the red faced one 😱 Still no comment. Whilst we're at it, I was never a fan of players like bremner, vinny and I don't like Pontus!

30 Dec 2016 16:03:01
You kinda crazy Berm but we already knew that. Don was the best manager we ever had. We should've won more but fact we didn't not his fault. May I remind you Don got us promoted from the old Second Division and apart from winning the League twice, FA Cup, League Cup, UEFA Cup, Cup Winners Cup and Charity Shield, we were runners up in the League on 5 separate occasions, runners up in the FA Cup on 3 occasions and runners up in the European Cup (we were robbed dodgy ref) . Yes, would be nice if half or more of those coming second would've been victories but this does not make Don second to the man who literally awoke Manchester United to become the greatest financial powerhouse of world football. Claiming Howard better than Don is an opinion based from absurdity.

30 Dec 2016 16:24:09
Bw, ps radebe looked like wootton under wilko, it was graham who turned him into a world class defender.

30 Dec 2016 19:56:59
Lucas? you don't like Pontus?! think you need to explain!

30 Dec 2016 21:44:48
Cuahee, I was being facetious. He's my current man love and still waiting for speedyg to meet me at Billy's statue for a fight over him.

30 Dec 2016 22:50:58
dont think it is absurd george, don had so many world class players the fact he won so little is I think an under achievement, don had the best sqaud in the world, wilko didn't even have best team in league. look at teams don wilko sprake/harvey lukic
reeney dorigo
hunter fairclough
charlton white
madley sterland
bremner batty
giles mccalister
lorimer strachan
gray speed
clarke champan
jones wallace when you think how many of wilko's players would make revies team, yet revie only won 1 more title I think it is far from absured to consider wilko's achievement was greater. if I manager barcalona I would win more than other managers who would be better than me but win less, does that make me greater, the fact sprake won more than martyn does that make sprake greater?

31 Dec 2016 05:30:28
You really are a loon Berm. Sterland Dorigo Batty played for England McAllister Strachan played for Scotland Speed RIP played for Wales Cantona France. That's 64% of the team internationals. Admittedly, Revie had more to call upon but so what? Wilko won the old Second Division, the League and Charity Shield. Revie won more. Plus as I've stated Wilko re-activated Manyoo which to me virtually eradicates his achievements. Your opinion is absolutely absurd.

30 Dec 2016 10:01:19
To be fair I'm not convinced that copper meant to handball it! Yes he jumped with his arms up, a daft mistake, but how often have we seen those decisions not given?! thought it was unlucky and to be honest would have been suprised if we got a penalty if it had happened in the other box!

30 Dec 2016 11:51:36
Agree. Yes it hit his hand. Yes I'd have wanted a penalty if it had been the other way, but the referee was giving a free kick to Leeds and he seemed to have a clear view. Was the foul before or after the 'handball' . Player pressure and home crowd and weak referee imo.

30 Dec 2016 15:18:44
Agree speedy.

29 Dec 2016 23:45:26
Argh so close another solid away performance tonight from the lads, we out played them on their own patch, specially in the 2nd half, they were lucky to get that point but for one moment of naivety and carelessness from coops and I feel its why he is not playing regularly, you would hope he would learn something from watching Pontus and Bart's, but hey we move on, happy with a point but can't help feeling we have dropped 2, on to Rotherham and all out attack! Mot brothers 😎.

30 Dec 2016 02:02:52
DJ Coops doesn't have the skill to imitate Pontus or Kyle.

30 Dec 2016 08:17:03
Yeah he's not as classy as our regular centre half pair George but jumping with your arms up is not a skill set its easy to correct that sort of error, you wouldn't see either pomts or Barts doing that! And he can pick up some things ny watching how Barts and Pontus deals with high balls, coops is 6 foot so was struggling to leap that bit higher as Barts and magic man are 6ft 5 so have a natural advantage, shame because he did OK up to his schoolboy error, but it cost us 2 points and 3rd spot,

30 Dec 2016 09:48:25
Cooper is a league 1 defender at best, he has plenty of endeavour but will always make a technical mistake because he is playing above his level. I did not think he was having a bad game until his error however he rarely looks comfortable with the ball at his feet and generally looks for the long ball.

30 Dec 2016 09:49:14
DJ, Coops put his arm out to deflect the ball away from their attackers head and that is easy to correct. Thought Coops did well up to then, his only mistake and it was unfortunate it was a costly one.

30 Dec 2016 13:19:00
Yet again Notts has it spot on. Perhaps a little harsh though. Coops at best is mediocre at Championship level. We require better.