Leeds Banter Archive December 31 2012

31 Dec 2012 18:53:59
i know they are only rumours but whats floating around is £8 million for becchio, alot of money which i think if re-invested in the club we could buy two or three top quality replacements - agree if you feel we should take the money and re-invest it in new players or disagree if you feel becchio cant be replaced for this money

What's wrong with people? Who's gonna pay £8M for a 29 year old nor proven in the top division? FFS let get real, we need to keep Becchio and Ross. Add players with creativity and get rid of the dross. Lets see some action from the new owners!

Half that at least. it's Byram who's valued at 8.

Would sell him for £8m, but would you buy him for £8m? no, so doubt anyone else will... but imagine if we sold him for that much could go get, CMS, austin, boyd and M phillips to name a few...

31 Dec 2012 20:57:26
you dont refuse 8 mil in this league as you can do so much with it

Sweet Jehovah, I think Don Revie would sell him for 8mill- that would be crazy money. Some ppl are out of their tree.

For 8 mil i'd carry his bags. He's been a great servant for us but come on lads, 8 mil is 8 mil and that could get us on the way to the promise land. How many more years would he have left at the top at 29?
RYRY

31 Dec 2012 17:56:07
great the transfer window is nearly open. everyone posting crap again for a month at least. i mean come on lampard give yourselfs a shek . on another note we need pace up front and some flare in mid field . but what is nw doing playing austin vs forest and somma vs hull both not fit. pelts should not be captain he, s crap sell white or keep playing him at left back . beginning to think nw is not the man to take us up [ hope i, m wrong] come on leeds e can still make playoffs merry new year all u leeds peeps new year new start

Sadly I think you are right and NW probably won't take us up.
MOT
Excroggywhite

I think he's at that age, were he can hardly pull his pants up now. Hope the new year brings Warnock to his sences and passes the arm band to a player who knows what is exspected of a captain.
BARMY ARMY!!!
mot4life

31 Dec 2012 17:28:45
So what excuses are supposed Leeds fans going to come up with now for not going to games now that Bates is more or less gone. Some will say till he's completely gone, but I've always been of the belief that people just use that excuse for convenience. The basic truth is they can't be bothered as many of them are not real fans until we are up at the top of the premier league when they suddenly appear again. Someone on rumours today saying "we'll I'm not going to see them again whilst they are playing this bad". Well good riddance then. You're not a real fan if you can't be with them through everything. If you can't afford it fair enough, if work commitments get in the way that's ok, if you live on other side of the world, or even other end of the country fair enough BUT those living in Leeds who sit on their a***s on a Saturday, moaning and griping and going on about never going until this that or the other happens stop making excuses. You only really support a "successful" team and when Leeds United really need you most of you aren't there for them. Nothing to do with having season tickets or whatever. If you claim to be a Leeds fan, live close enough to attend and can afford it you should be there. There's far more who could do that than do. Our plastic fans are a disgrace.

Disagree all you like. But I'd rather you put down in words why you disagree. It's not as if its the first time it's happened. 1980s were exactly the same only worse gates back then. Rarely got over 20000 except local derby games.

31 Dec 2012 18:57:03
i personally wont return till bates has left, i dont like his sort at all and hes chairman of my football club. ive supported leeds since 1966. had a st for many years upto him arriving. its been 8yrs of hell with him at the helm. ive said many times on this forum gfh big mistake keeping bates on. should get rid asap so he can count his ill gottan gains. bates has run rings round fans far too long. mot without bates

I think Ive said this before but are you only a 'real fan' if you go to every game? better an armchair Leeds fan than a fan of any other club

I'll bet you have a favourite chippy dont you? Well I am going to bet you that if new owners came in and sold you less than average fish and chips yet had the audacity to put the prices up to michelin star restaurantprices, you would not go as often, and you would probably mention to your mates that you do not get value for money anymore, and untill the owner sells up and someone brings back the standard you expect from your favourite chippy you are going to moan about it and buy less fish and chips???

31 Dec 2012 21:32:45
I very nearly gave up my season ticket to boycott the Bates regime and I know a few who did. Some of them have been at the last few matches and crowds are up a bit of late.

I also know a few who are very unhappy that Bates is going to become life president and want to have nothing to do with the club while he has any connection. That's their right and their decision to make. People like you abusing fans simply because they don't share your point of view isn't very clever, which is why more people are disagreeing with you than agreeing.

Personally I chose not to Boycott Bates, but I am tempted to boycott the current manager despite having a season ticket. The hoofball is just awful and I find it very hard to be enthusiastic. I actually left the Hull game early I was so angry.

Losing I can take, mindless long ball played by ageing journeymen with no passion or commitment is harder to accept, especially when I'm paying for those big houses and luxury cars. Unlike many on here I don't begrudge footballers their incomes. I run a successful business and have a very good lifestyle, but I've worked my b@lls off for 2 decades for a nice house and a couple of nice cars and I expect well paid footballers to do the same, every game.

Win or lose, that's not how football should be played and I can understand why anyone on the fence wants to wait until we get rid of Warnock, his 'anti-football' and his ageing cloggers.

Chippy analogy is quite bizarre really. And nowhere in my post does it say you have to got to every game. In fact I thought I made it clear that not everyone can get there. But those that can should in my opinion if they want to pass further comments. Just my opinion.

I'm sorry if my opinion doesn't sit nicely with some people but I cannot believe people are willing to shelve a life long love and passion for a football team simply because they're not playing so well at the moment. Having said that we are still on 5 wins from the last 8 league games. We've just lost to the most in form team in the league away and have games against teams from the bottom coming up. Potentially beating Bolton, Barnsley and Bristol will put a different view on things and I bet people come back to watch! My point is simply support should be through adversity, whatever the circumstances and not turning up when it is totally within your ability to do so I feel is sad. There are people travelling to every home game from Norway and Denmark- if they can do it?? And to make things worse they then carp on about how the team is or isn't playing when they've hardly ever seen them play. The poster from 1966, not so different from me, surely it annoys you that people just pick up and then drop the team simply on the whim of who is in charge, how they are playing etc. if that continues to happen there'll never be anymore 40+ year fans again.

And the new regime has had all of 10 days to change things. Really giving them a fair crack I don't think so. To find another excuse to not go now is just a total cop out in my opinion. If nothing's changed by the summer the might be a case but not yet.

Ive been supporting Leeds since 1957. I'm 63 and I ain't going to stop coming even if we are in conference north. I can excuse those who can't afford it but some of you should get real and support YOUR club. JD

What is rattling peoples cages on this topic, particularly mine who has a 250 mile round trip to see the game with 3 sons (work out the cost and commitment on that one). Is that now I am called a plastic fan cos I wont keep paying hundreds of pounds every week to watch second rate hoofball. You have no idea how other fans divide their responsibilities and frankly it is none of your business. While I admire your passion, the ease with which you abuse fellow Leeds fans disgusts me.

Cambswhite

Well said OP , first not going til bates has gone, then not going til warnocks gone, not going because we play crap blah blah blah, more excuses, well said mr 63, i've been supporting Leeds since 1965 and nothing can keep me away, we have a fickle new breed of Leeds fans

Cambswhite. Please read my original post. I said that if you are living in Leeds and can afford to go you should be there. Not if you live at other end of country or can't afford it. Please do me the justice of actually reading the post before you start slating me for stuff I never actually said. Read it. Read it!!

The main point of my post was how judgemental you are being of your fellow Leeds fans, not my own circumstances. They cant all spend the money or want to spend it on what is being offered on the pitch. Not wanting to argue with you as you make some good points but, everybody's circumstances are different, it doesn't make them lesser fans

Cambswhite

Cambswhite. Surely we are arguing the same point. I have no problem with those who cannot afford it or whose circumstances restrict it, but you and I know there are thousands in this city who could get there more but they don't. Look at the attendance against Everton and Chelsea this season and other high profile games last season. There's to many making excuses and that isn't good is it. Yet the way so many speak so knowledgeably about how the team are doing each and every day you would think we packed 80000 a week in!!

31 Dec 2012 17:15:03
Guys with Bristol City rock bottom of the table surely we should raid them for some good players like Adomah

If we wait till they go down they become cheaper :)

Adomah yes but no one else!! They are bottom for a reason!

31 Dec 2012 13:55:06
Before the last two games we were doing well, top of the form league, 5 wins from 6. Florist was a bad loss, never a pen in my opinion and 9 times out of ten, we'd beat them. Hull are flying so I wasn't expecting anything from that game, but 2 defeats and everybody has lost the faith. A lot of Tate bashing going on, when I think he's made a positive difference since he came in. Now isn't the time to sack NW, he's made some mistakes but give him til the end of the season. Look on the bright side, Blackburn fans have shabby Singh to contend with, now there's a first class stroker.

31 Dec 2012 14:59:58
The pen was a pen you can't make a challenge like that in the area .lees was simply caught sleeping .you never let the player come inside .

31 Dec 2012 16:33:07
Now is exactly the time to sack NW, he has not made the best of what he's got which is what he was brought in to do. We have no game plan and no organisation. His treatment of Drury who was one of the most consistent and reliable full backs in the league prior to this season is nothing short of scandalous.

31 Dec 2012 12:14:07
they have spent 4 months buying this club do you not think that they have been planning for the future and a replacement for warnock is central to that

Well they have recently said that warnock was one of the reasons for the purchase of leeds. lets just see what happens in jan!

There was a specification in the contract in which they made sure Warnock was the manager. They're a big fan of him apparently.

31 Dec 2012 17:59:26
I think that was put into the contract by bates so Warnock still had a job and would become a legend .

31 Dec 2012 11:43:55
i dont like warnock and never haved but want do the rest of u think keep him fumbs up if sack fubms down {Ed037's Note - Translation: Do you think Warnock should stay - thumbs up, or go - thumbs down}

What I do not get is the only time neil did get two half decent players Tate who recently has been disappointing but still okay and Thomas who's been alright, was in the loan window and on the last day. If he loaned players in ( young ones) from the start we would not be with the deadwood, Luke varney, Michael brown, peltier Etc and why did he feel Clapton was " surplus to requirements and then replace him with brown in that position he wasn't a world beater, Adam but he certainly wasn't deadwood. Neil knew from the start he had no money and he was expected to get us up so he can't blame the money to a certain extent because enough money was there for a few good players on loan. I also don't understand what is going on with their style of play, against chelsea in the first half we looked excellent where as week in week out I hate watching leeds with their hoof ball it's just disgusting some times the way they play and the position in the league really flatters them to be honest I just don't get it. When we lose we get thrashed and they just give up which is something neil said would never happen after the forest match 7 3 last season " we will never get beat like that again that's for sure" was his words. It's all just a mess to be honest

Becchio had a thigh injury and was recovering from it nothing to do with NW not liking him and as for all the fools who think he is leaving where have they got this from becchio loves the club NW likes him and at the moment he is our only in form striker so why would he be leaving

Thanks for translation Ed

31 Dec 2012 14:53:10
Either a decent offer or the temptation of prem league would get becchio .4 million might be enough if players Warnock wants are available for cheap enough .i would hope to get 6+million for him though

Becchio is warnocks no 1 striker and he loves the bloke. we have no reason to sell and won't, he's the best there is in this lge , we don't need another striker, becchio, mccormack, somma and diouf is good enough.midfield and defence he will strengthen, with talks already going on with boyd and mcgugan

What's Eric Clapton got to do with it?

01 Jan 2013 15:00:59
I admit Warnock was never someone I wanted to see manage Leeds, but was happy to give him a chance as I thought he would be right to get us promoted. However his record speaks for itself worse then Grayson, his last two team selections have cost us points, I think he has lost the plot and needs to be replaced if we are going to make the play offs.

31 Dec 2012 11:08:15
For me we just can not loose beccio no way . We need wingers with pace ie tom ince / tempelton not another striker . Mot. {Ed037's Note - I agree completely!}

31 Dec 2012 10:10:35
BECHIO: I stated the other day to consider that Bechio was on bench cus NW was not going to risk him due to transfer speculation. Brighton & Celtic were two speculative destinations with CMS or HOOPER tied in. We now see mention of SMITH having med in Bingley ? I believe BECHIO has 18 months left on his contract and its looking increasingly likely that he may be on his way out. Great servant of the club and performed brilliantly. Sad to see him go if true but can understand cashing in and swop at this stage if it contributes to better play and results. Lets keep watching and see how it plays out

31 Dec 2012 10:39:58
i just cant see becchio wanting a backward step at 29

The only one of them that would be acceptable for Becchio I'd imagine would be Celtic and a chance of Euro football.
Gary Hooper would be my preference anyway, CMS is crap to be honest.

I'll tell you why becchio was on the bench, a slight thigh strain in pre match warm up, and as he had been named in the squad, and would've started , he was dropped to the bench, think about it numbnuts, if he was going he wouldn't have been anywhere near the first team squad FACT . CMS likely destination is norwich, he's not been near leeds, leeds in talks with boyd and mcgugan, no strikers will be signed as we have enough , Becchio, McCormack, Somma and Diouf

Not disagreeing with what you say but...does writing fact in capitals make it more believable? just a thought

I put FACT in caps because it was meant as a stand out statement for the hard of understanding , kapisch

A RUMOUR, while of more worth than a rumour, is not in any way a fact and definitely not a FACT.

Some rumours tend to become RUMOURS when there is in fact some FACT to them.

A FACT tends to be a rumour that has gone through the RUMOUR stage, and at its conclusion, either becomes FACT as it has happened or becomes complete b*llocks because there was not really even a smattering of fact for it to be a rumour.

Just thought I would put some explanation into why some folk think that Caps gets their point across and lends truth to their drivel
MOT
ExCroggywhite

Yea croggywhite , that was DRIVEL, and pointless drivel , but with a name like croggywhite what would you expect FACT

Capisce is a very cool and trendy way to end a rant, especially when it is spelt correctly. Ho capisco, Grazie

31 Dec 2012 09:46:53
what we need to do is play 1 up top and use an anchor man until the defense get on track .the anchor man can be used to mark up or just sit and stop the centre midfielders coming through. we just need to find a way of reducing the pressure we put on the back 4 .the defense is showing a lack of confidence in themselves and until that is addressed we will leak goals.

You mean like Hull do already. You know that fab team that Warnock wets his pants over.

At forest he played two anchor men....Austin and brown....and look how that turned out................

Re the Forest game. Austin not fit, Brown too old. Not too bad a display until the penalty and then mid field tired as it would with those two players in the side. Brown is ok for 'shoring up' the middle towards the end of a game Austin, when fit can sit in front of the back four - instead of Brown. Somma when fit is excellent as an impact sub. White shouldn't be on the pitch; McCormack is not as good as he thinks and probably could not be accommodated if Diouff is playing as well. Therefore desperately need a good left back who can get up and down the pitch and cross a ball properly, a creative cental midfield who is comfortable on the ball, can pass and has a little bit of pace to go past people. A good target man with pace and abilty to hold up the ball would be very useful. A pacy winger too as Thomas is not up to it. Not too much to ask is it. LOL

31 Dec 2012 09:37:28
Strange nothing on os since game
Warnock still there?
Are they gonna spring three major signings on us?
Or just sell our best players?
Time will tell

31 Dec 2012 07:15:41
It is my belief that GFH will not splash the cash in this current season. They will allow NW some funds to "strengthen" his team which will unfortunately not be sufficient to gain us promotion. Then at the end of this season NW will leave and retire, as he has stated is his intention. A new manager, and all anyone can do is hope/speculate here, will be brought in and then will the cash be made available. After all, would you give money to a manager who is shortly leaving to build his team only for a new manager to come in in less than a year and then expect him to achieve with someone else's team? What is a season to an investment company, they haven't been waiting for the years that we have!
CJS

They may not splash the cash but if they dont invest in at least 4 players in january i can see the crowds dropping to the 18k mark... to be fair who wants to pay to watch us get battered every game

When you look at the money thats been spent on the team in the last 7 years its just the reality of the modern game that as a consequence we are not very good . gfh will have to invest in the team in january to keep the crowds up , its a case of will they go for glory or just spend enough to keep us hovering around 6th place to keep us interested .