Leeds Banter Archive April 03 2016

 

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03 Apr 2016 21:46:08
Good thing about silvestri getting sent off means peacock-Farrel is starting next game

Will be good for his development and I believe Evans should keep him in until the end of the season, we can see that we are not getting promoted and it is very unlikely that we will be going down.

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03 Apr 2016 20:37:53
Just watched the highlights. Bellusci you plonker!

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03 Apr 2016 23:02:08
again bell makes a mistake, our biggst liability ever make rouque JRn look solid.

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04 Apr 2016 08:20:33
Don't be silly. Bellusci and Cooper are our best centre back pairings. Bellusci has played exceptionally well on most occasions and kept the goals against tally down. Without him at the back ie playing Cooper and Bamba we would be in a relegation battle. Evans playing Bamba is a joke. If anyone is a Roque Jnr type its Bamba. The pairing at the back obviously could be better but then again there are problems all over the pitch. Mowatt playing on the left is too slow and ineffective. He is too slow wherever he plays. Wood is a striker who doesn't strike. Dallas is a winger with no pace. Cook has potential but is inconsistent. Silvestre is excellent on his day but doesn't command his box and accident prone. He has won us a lot of points we didn't deserve but also lost us some as well. Wooton is awful but Evans likes him. Carrylol is only interested when he has the ball and then he doesn't always do anything with it. Antenucci is up and down. Bridcutt and Dave are ok but just solid . No great creativity. Beradi and Taylor are generally good but also make mistakes from time to time. So, going back to Belusci he is temperamental and does make mistakes but there are far worse players in the team that contribute more to our defeats. When we were accumulating our points he was often the man of the match. Fans for what ever reason want to forget that. Maybe because he is not home grown.

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04 Apr 2016 08:55:17
i have to kind of disagree, yes bell has a certain class and can look like a decent defender and even has a man of the match display in him, however he is also a walking mistake, his passing when studied is actually wayward, he only plays for himself and not the team (as showed by the roll over skill at 4-1 down) , I have never seen him play ever where he hasn't been booked and not been lucky to be sent off (very worrying) and he always looks like he will make a mistake that leads to a goal and often does make a mistake that leads to a goal. His marking at set plays is none exsistant. I like cooper and bell next to cooper is ok but my dream would be for bamba and bell not to get anywhere near the first team next season. I would also play wooten/ Vann and cooper next game to make a point to bell and bamba that play bad and you get dropped. He flatters to decieve and is no where good enough and cost team points. People on here have slated our keeper and to some extent I can see why but our keeper saves us points and has good and bad points, Bell is far worse and costs us more and saves us less. He can have class moments but no sorry Bell is not for me.

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04 Apr 2016 09:24:47
All our players make mistakes. Bellusci makes them but often gets himself out of trouble. Cooper, Bamba and Wooton make more than most. The problem we have is that we need a grass roots change across the park. My point about Belusci is that whilst he has his short comings he is, unfortunately, the best we have. The only players I would want to hang on to are Beradi, Taylor, Dave, Bridcutt (if he wants to) , Cook and Silvestre for the future (They both have learning to do) . nd that's it. That's not the biggest problem though. Its not just about money its about credibility and stability. Even with some cash available what self respecting manager or player would want to come to Leeds with Cellino and GFH at the helm.

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04 Apr 2016 10:05:58
I have too agree with Bermondsey. The fact is neither Bellusci or Bamber are good enough and we need to find another centre half that can play alongside Cooper. Wooten has come in for a lot of criticism and while some of it is justified we need to remember he is playing out of his natural position, I would like to see him given the chance to play alongside Cooper.

Personally I would like another manager to be appointed now, this to would allow him to look at the current squad before the end of the season so he can make an informed decision as to what players he would like to keep and those he would move on during the summer.

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04 Apr 2016 10:20:38
i hate this arguement, what manager and player would want to come to Leeds, I have given this answer time and time again and it still stands.

any manger in a lower standing job or out of work and doesn't have a bigger club floating around will come to leeds fact. they will prefer the higher wage and higher status of job fact. they do not care that MC might sack them as they get pay out fact. Also please do not be as shortsighted to think MC/ leeds are the only club to sack managers and be run badly. Leeds and MC are more of the norm than unusual in modern football fact. so can we stop with this unless counter argument is found? as yet no one has found counter points to this view yet people keep asking the origninal question (I shoul just copy and paste post above)

as for bell, I think Cooper is better and bell looks better alongside the better cooper. I have not seen any player make more mistakes than Bell is a leeds shirt this season, maybe ever. the fact he has good points I thin makes him look far better than he really is. I think it should be who plays alongside cooper as for me he is the best of a bad bunch (not including Taylor who I love)

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04 Apr 2016 11:57:55
Look at the managers and players who we have signed and look at the ones it was claimed were coming eg Forristeri. Bridcutt on loan is ok but it looks like he's had enough and Dave. The rest are average at best Dallas, Wood Carylol and the other Sunderland reject, Botaka. Not brilliant is it? . Lack of cash, management or just being the current laughing stock it makes no difference the result is just the same. We are fortunate if we stay, which I think we will, but we got a lot of points when perhaps we should have been beaten. I've been going to Leeds for more years than I care to remember but this is the worst period. Not because of the league position but he complete breakdown of the structure. Even with Bates we had a team and a manager who we could relate to and there was a feeling even when there were problems that it was still a club. Now it seem to be in disarray with no obvious way forward. Even if he ploughs in lots of cash it will still be Cellino and GFH and the uncertainty and instability that comes with them.

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04 Apr 2016 12:42:51
could not disagree with this more. firstly it has been worse in 06-07 we finsihed rock bottom and failed to get out of league one for two years so that was worse by far and no one can argue with this fact.

the rest is of course opinion, if you feel you could relate to Ken Bates better than MC I do not know how to respond to that? Bates is the main reason MC and leeds are stuck in this rut and I don't feel that is really up for debate either? How anyone can say anything positive about bates or say MC is worse is in my opinion something between a joke and an insult, bates rapped our club and took it to peices and put it in such a way it may never recover but you feel this blame lays at MC's feet more than bates?

The managers have not been great but they have been getting better over time and MC seems to be learning on this point. as for players coming in we do not know we were after them do we?

are we a laughing stock or just like many other clubs?

lack of cash due to debt and being milked again mc or bates at blame here? lack of talent in squad mc or bates fault?

Leeds are moving forward just slowly and some can not see that leeds are moving forward. the fact our team is not being broken up and sold bit by bit is good, the fact taylor, mowatt and cook are still here is progress, the fact RM and Byram went for decent fees is progress, the fact we ae spending more than 100k on player is progress (even if the sigings have not worked out) .

Or would you prefer the team under bates who lost Scmiehcle, Sam, Beckford, Becchio, Johnson, Howson, snodgrass, delph for next to nothing to be replaced by freebie, or bargin basement journey men.

things are better than then I mean come on?

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04 Apr 2016 12:51:46
Out of all of that it is agreed that the structure needs looking at (top to bottom) . I am not suggesting firing SE but if a change is going to come, it should definitely be now. I do not need to go over which positions need addressing, that has been well documented. The (new) manager needs to identify targets early, while they are still playing (not on holiday) and the acquisition done early doors.
I am not too despondent about Sat. We gave a good account of ourselves for most of the game and the result would have been a draw had it not been for one individual abhorration. Yes I know, ANOTHER DRAW in a game we should be winning but at least a point.
We are now entering the season of "looking forward to next year". certainly more than ever the decisions made at Elland Road this summer could make or break our (once great) club.

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03 Apr 2016 15:04:18
I asked question yesterday but no response so I'll ask again. In yesterday's game and another poster pointed out stats from yesterday games shows we were all over them and I was wondering does this show Evans is setting team up right and players are letting us down by not finishing and going to sleep can anyone at yesterday's match comment on this.

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03 Apr 2016 16:00:00
Can anyone answer?

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03 Apr 2016 17:31:21
Evans had a team that won 3 games on the trot, even if it wasn't convincingly?

A. Why did he change that team?

B. Why wasn't that team re-assembled when Evans realised his mistake?

One mistake after another?

Keep going Stevie Boy, maybe every single leeds player (youths and all) will be to blame by the end of the season?

Basically this guy doesn't have the answers, and I must admit I have to admire Cellino for sticking with him so long, as he really is out of his depth here.

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03 Apr 2016 18:15:22
My point is that stats show team as set out was performing and it's individual errors that let us down and this is down to players not the manager.

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03 Apr 2016 19:01:05
Wex I was at yesterday's and theperformance from the team was a typical one, Evans sets the team up much to negatively and when he did make changes it was Cook and Mowatt that were taken off leaving Bridcutt and Dave on the pitch, Evans lacks imagination and is not capable of turning the team around when we are losing. We may have had plenty of possession but the fact it it was only after Rotherham went down to 10 men that their goalkeeper had to make a couple of decent saves.

We need Evans to go now and a new manager should be appointed to give him time to assess the current squad and to e able to make an informed decision as to what players he would like to keep and those he would like to move on this summer as this is all Evans has to say when the ream doesn't perform.

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03 Apr 2016 19:39:31
Know quite a few Rotherham fans, and they say that it was typical of Evan's team when he was at their place. Team dominates possession, but rarely looks like getting into the final third, Doesn't score and gets beat by the odd goal. Then out comes Evans and tells the press that best team lost.

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03 Apr 2016 20:00:19
So it's down to formation not players I suppose its a bit of both thanks for answers lads.

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03 Apr 2016 14:41:14
Gonna ask the question of all those ST holders posting on this site. Who is of a mind to pass on renewal next season?
Don't know if I can take anymore of this abject tripe served up week in week out, I can think of better ways of spending my 400 or so quid.

Need to see real intent for a serious promotion push before I consider renewal next season.

MC if you speculate you will accumulate.

Oh and quick note for SE, while the season is all but over, fans still want to see a team that gives a toss install some passion for the rest of the season or just go if your not up to it.
. and stop putting Mowatt/ Cook on the wings, they are rubbish there, your experiment hasn't worked.

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03 Apr 2016 17:44:41
Unfortunately owners such as Cellino pray on those loyal fans who will renew ST as they know that they will still turn up despite the lack of investment or even a clear vision. I go on the hope of being entertained, either win or lose. I live in hope.

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03 Apr 2016 20:15:32
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I'm not sure next season even the most gullible fans will be fooled. I'm predicting a significant reduction in attendances with possible high 4 figure numbers turning up for league games. Unless of course the cheque book comes out.

Leeds folk can only be fooled for so long.

Time's almost up Mr Cellino.

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03 Apr 2016 22:01:39
I agree with your sentiment George but I will be suprised if the cheque book comes out, for two reasons. Firstly Cellino is as tight as a duck's behind and second the impending FL ban will take him out for the summer transfer window.

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04 Apr 2016 03:03:45
Oh I agree Notts and this is what has me real worried. I don't think posters on here realize what precisely is about to happen if Cellino fails to invest. And you are absolutely right him investing what is necessary for top 10 let alone top 6 is looking about as likely as me finding the remains of Shergar.

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03 Apr 2016 14:01:10
Assuming MC is still LUFC's owner come next season, IF Big Steve has to go (and I find it hard not to think so) then wouldn't it be best to get shot now so the new manager has a few games to assess the players and get organised for next season? My fear would be insufficient time for the new manager to get sorted and the prospect of yet another random season, no-doubt with MC selling-off another quality youngster or two and weakening the team once again.

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03 Apr 2016 14:15:12
Your post assumes a quality manager is at the forefront of our owner's mind.

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03 Apr 2016 14:34:08
We simply have to build from the top so a quality manager, not an 'also-ran', is a must. Let's face it you tend to get what you pay for - pay peanuts and you'll get monkeys (and we've had plenty of them) . Where's our Ranieri! If MC can't, or doesn't want to, do this properly then he owes it to the Club and the fans to find someone who does.

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03 Apr 2016 14:47:50
Flaming
Couldn't agree more but I don't believe there is such a person. Such a person will require liquid cash of quarter a billion pounds and have genuine care for Leeds.

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03 Apr 2016 15:07:45
Yorkshire is a wealthy county - i'm sure there are some billionaires! Just wish I was one of them. To make the above points further, how about the following for quality management at Leicester City. to celebrate Mr Strivaddhanaprabha's birthday each ticket holder can receive a complimentary bottle of beer or bottled water and a doughnut from collection points outside the stadium. Susan Whelan, club's chief executive, said "There are many special bonds that exist at our football club - between the players, the staff, the owners and the fans - and that's been vital to the incredible season we've had, " Ms Whelan said.

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03 Apr 2016 15:46:04
Flaming
A quick check of the 2015 Rich List in a well-known newspaper does not reveal billionaires in Yorkshire! Parkin good as it gets.

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03 Apr 2016 19:49:32
Cellino will be our owner at the start of next season. It will take someone with intelligence at least 3 months to get their heads through our books and understand who's owed what. This is a massive pre - season and if our owner fails to come up with the goods he will,like us be in for a long season.

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03 Apr 2016 20:40:02
a billionaire who invests in leeds would not be a billionaire for long, too much debt and not enough support and money generated, if buying leeds as a good idea one of these smart rich men would of done so by now, lucky for us mC is run by passion and not smarts otherwise we would all be in touble.

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03 Apr 2016 12:10:27
My take on the current situation is that we require 2 center halfs, a number 10, two wingers and two strikers and this is what our summer shopping list should be, 2 or 3 could be up and coming players the remainder with proven quality. The other ingredients needed are height, strength and pace, a mixture of cheaper overseas players (of quality ) and players who understand the championship would be the criteria . Properly scouted the recruitment of these players should not cost the earth . If they were all to be of Forestieri quality for their respective positions it should not break the bank . What did he cost the blunts 750k . Approx £5 million invested in player recruitment would go a long way to create a squad capable of giving us a go at getting out of this league. The big question is will that investment be forthcoming in the summer and from whom if it is . We are Leeds.

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03 Apr 2016 11:53:50
BBC and Sky Stats for yesterdays game

Leeds Rotherham
Possession 67 33
Shots 26 12
On Target 8 3
Corners 6 3
Fouls 5 10
Bookings 2 1
Saves made 1 7.

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03 Apr 2016 13:00:09
result we lost so doesn't mean a thing.

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03 Apr 2016 13:04:33
with stats like that we should have won this game easy!

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03 Apr 2016 11:03:02
When is evans going to show some bottle and get botaka and carayol on the wings. Time running out to see what they can do. We need a creative mjdfielder only one we have is viera. Young I know but plenty of players have got into first team at 17 and progressed. Our managers always seem to play safety first and stick with players who are not good enough or not performing. At least farrel will get a chance hopefully. Time to try wilks and stokes as well. Need 6 new players and a manager with brains, people will blame cellino but if we were showing some passion and not making schoolboy mistakes we would be winning more than we are. Roll on summer and hope what he said is true, that we are financially sound and can now invest in team.

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03 Apr 2016 11:37:05
Yeh when you have a big enough number 9 he needs supplying with the right service and that's where your wingers come into play, creative midfielder is also a must like you say think there will obviously be changes to personal only worry is getting the same standard of player we have now, I never took my holidays during football season but after all these years I might after start if it stays as bad.

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03 Apr 2016 10:38:03
again evans says better team but lost wish I had a pint for ever time pratt said it.

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03 Apr 2016 01:49:01
The only saving grace out of todays game. At least the young'un Peacock Farrell kid gets a chance.

Stevo has been talking the talk for weeks. Now he is forced to his comments.

On the performance and attitude, than god we are not aston villa.

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03 Apr 2016 08:45:59
But will Fatty play him in goal? Nothing for certain with Makeup Around the Eyes Double Talking No Wingers Fatso Man.

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03 Apr 2016 13:56:37
Are you not a fan of SE George?

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03 Apr 2016 14:04:15
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LOL. I was but about 3 weeks ago he completely lost the plot. Whether reasons are Cellino finally got to him, size of club but it seems to me like he is intentionally setting us up to fail. I believe he is better than he is showing. It could all point to Cellino meddling. If that's case though, Evans should walk and let Cellino be manager. Maybe Cellino will be our new manager next season.

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