Leeds Banter Archive April 04 2014

 

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04 Apr 2014 22:27:20
Think survivor forgetting Massimo legally owns 75 per cent of Leeds United. He will decide who he sells it to and is hoping that GFH will sell the remaining shares and he will keep a shareholding because his intention is to buy the ground back and TA. He is in it for the long term so is happy to deal with people he can trust and who want the best for Leeds.TL are not his only option but the one he would like to go forward with. Massimo wants us not because of the great players we have or the fantastic manager but because of us fans our passion and he knows we will follow Leeds forever and if he brings us success he will be adored by us all.
FL would not be concerned of unrest at the match in fact they would love to fine us again. The decision has not been released because of matters raised that need to be put into context for the club to go forward.
Leeds has a future we will go forward and we will all be marching on together. let's get behind the team tomorrow and not let anyone blame us for the way they are playing. let's sing from beginning to end because this is our club and no one gives up. Leeds and proud
BIGE

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04 Apr 2014 23:48:09
This is woeful keeping us and the club in limbo with delay, god please let it be for the greater good of Leeds United.

So many theories, rumours, conundrums, and a great deal of baloney too.

My biggest worry is if this fiasco does not conclude how we hoped with MC and TL agreeing to joining ranks - our nemesis slippery sly Bates will get back in. I really really do not want that man in our club ever again.!

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Where do u get that he owns 75 % already? He owns nothing till the fl so

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Just because he's had an offer accepted by gfh doesn't mean he owns it! If u buy a house and have an offer accepted you don't own it till ALL the paper work and checks are done its same here, not saying suvivor is right of wrong but Massimo owns nothing in leeds

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BIGE

Well said buddy, agree 100%

Andy MOT

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Massimo signed a contract and made first payment stating he has bought shares in Leeds and he decides who buys those shares in the event of him not being fpp. The wages were not paid in full because he believes GFH should pay their share and they are unwilling to do so. Leeds will not go into admin. This is my understanding of the financial dealings within the club. Do you think he would put the millions he has into the club with no redress, he is a successful business man and does not throw money away.
BIGE

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Massimo and GFH have only exchanged contracts and nothing can be completed without FL approval.
It is clear now that this event will not occur so Massimo cannot buy Leeds United.
Please don't blame the judge as he has done his best.

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Cellino legally owns precisely 0% of Leeds United, not 75%. He cannot own the club because the Football League hasn't agreed to the purchase. That is the whole problem.

He has exchanged contracts but not completed. Completion is conditional on FL approval.

Why are people on here so lacking in basic knowledge? It doesn't take being a lawyer to understand this stuff.

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04 Apr 2014 21:56:47
Even my mate who's a Liverpool fan says it's ridiculous what's going on at leeds with the fl. says it all really sick of it. If this consortium gets cellino through the doors so be it because we need him now. Fingers crossed on the appeal though.

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04 Apr 2014 20:05:12
Hope this I wrong. Leeds players are stopping in the Mattiott near where I live my best mate reports. He is there for his birthday. Best players are to be sold and we're going in to administration. He got this straight from the horses mouth, who this is, he hadn't reported. I didn't know we had any horses, just donkeys playing for us.
Disappointed United fan in Manchester. (Nothing what so ever to do with those Reds)
LOT (Limping on together, not Marching at the moment)

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Addendum to the posting. It was Brian himself my mate spoke too.

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Although I'm NOT saying I don't believe ya, can you really see BMD telling a complete stranger about our future?
My guess is nobody will know 100% until massimos verdict is announced ;(

Andy MOT

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04 Apr 2014 18:31:53
they have delayed the verdict because I think[a guess] they will fail massimo and don't want any protests and angry fans live on tv tomorrow in other words they bottled it, I think they the so called powers that be, have not treated us the fans with the respect we deserve.but that's nothing new for leeds fans is it.

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I think your very wrong, just because they're considering other stuff doesn't mean there's a vendetta against Leeds United, there lots of wild rumours flying around at the minute, but why presume the worst all the time, let them do their job and those pursuing a takeover do theirs, the Farnham group are determined to take over Leeds with or without Cellino, support the team and see what happens MOT.

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2nd poster I'm afraid your the one that's wrong.

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04 Apr 2014 20:18:51
Delaying until after tomorrow's game will achieve nothing. Demonstrations will take place at the next game.

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"Demonstrations will take place at the next game."

Yeah, but it won't be on television at midday on a Saturday?

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The nxt one isn't live on tv

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I think the first reply is right but I think there is more to it than meets the eye. I reckon they are giving Farnham and Cellino time to strike a deal before they fail him. However I think he will be involved somehow. Don't know how, maybe ground owner in return for a 25% investment for his son. JD

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04 Apr 2014 17:09:36
look like the football league do not want leeds as a club to survive, nothing put to them that will take the club foreward is acceptable, what will be accetable to the football league is administration and a fifteen point penalty, and that is what they call looking out for the club

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{Ed013's Note - The FL need Leeds to survive to create the money that they do in the league}

Yes ed league one

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ED I'm not saying LUFC won't survive but if we fold the FA will just bring another club up from the conference, not as much revenue but the league is bigger than ANY club ;(
Andy MOT

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{Ed013's Note - They like having Leeds in the football league due to crowds and money generated}

Why do so many people find it hard to understand that it is the Football League who decide this take over and run the Football League, not the FA (Football Association). If people cannot get that simple fact right I do not think we should read too much into what they say. It is not rocket science!
Sorry for rant but it is such a simple thing and if people can't get it right after the amount of time this has been going on it tells you something!

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Ooooo a rant from mr invisible, if ED understood what the response was about I'm sure you did.
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04 Apr 2014 16:05:49
On the fooball world weblog it reads "Massimo Cellino to take over at Leeds despite failing FL fpp test. According to the sun more to follow. I know it's the sun but could QC be worried abput a leak. As others have daid, Farnam's consortium have nothing to do with this and is not in the QC's remit.

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04 Apr 2014 15:25:45
Seems to me the FL are just stalling. And hoping we go into financial meltdown. Then they can say "nothing to do with us. We have to abide by our rules. And make sure the would be owners are acceptable " as they rub there grubby fat hands together. And chortle at our plight. Thinking of other ways to screw us up! Seems different rules for Leeds than any other club.
bob. Wakefield

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04 Apr 2014 14:07:17
Not sure Haigh deserves all the criticism he gets. He has put in over a million of his own cash to help the club stay in business, wages etc. As for Cellino I am still not 100% sure. Seems that he only wants a coach and not a manager which makes me think that he will buy whatever players he likes and then the 'coach' will have the job of fitting them into a team. That way of running a club never works in England. And those who say BMD has to go now don't seem to realise he is working in very difficult, almost imposible, circumstances.Its easy to say his team selections have been wrong but many times over the years we have all thought at one time or another team selection has been wrong only to end up winning to game! Its his job to pick the team so let him get on with it and we can all talk about it after the game and give our opinions then. Personally i'd never play Austin or Kebe again but apart from them two what else has he got wrong? ITs not the time to play the youngsters and who else his going to make a big difference? Tonge or Brown for Austin and that's about it for me. We need stability but God knows where that's going to come from?! MOT.

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I've been attending regularly all season and the team are woeful, played off the park at times by average teams, and at Elland Road we've played some of the worst football I have seen, now if the man who assembled this pitiful squad and don't say he hasn't because most are now his signings that start games isn't responsible for these tactically inept performances, then who is.

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Haig has been mixed up with Bates, e deserves all he gets.

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04 Apr 2014 13:04:22
If these rumours are correct about Mcd then I do not blame the guy because the way he has being treated this last 2 month are disgusting. Things haven't gone to plan for him and all the off field problems do not help but there is no need to phone the guy up giving him death threats that is not football fans that is pure and utter . The players are more to blame they are the guys on the field not Mcd and its about time the players grew a set of balls and stand up and be counted and show some pride in such a great club.

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Fair comment. We have no leaders on the pitch and that's been our problem for years. Even during OLearys reign we never really had any.Wilko got it spot on bringing in likes of Strachan, Sterland, Jones, and Chapman to compliment the younger players like Batty and Speed.

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04 Apr 2014 12:42:30
In the current climate, in the aftermath of another legal delay and with our bunch of players, we not be within three goals of Wigan bt 1.45.pm tomorrow. Another embarassing loss shown on TV. The FL must be loving this.

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04 Apr 2014 15:25:01
How about 2 oclock when game ends? No points had out at 1-45

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OP. I know when the game finishes but still 3-0 down by 1.45pm. God knows what the deficit will be by 2.00pm. Heads down in the last quarter equals meltdown.

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04 apr 2014 11:42:55
apparently the decision has been delayed, words fail me!

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The only thing I can think of is the decision now includes the cosortium together with Cellino, a brief explanation as to why its been delayed wouldn't have hurt would it, this could take days to sort out.

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Days to sort out! more like weeks. The FL then get what they want, Leeds not to exist.
Having read the YEP, GFH appear to have screwed us, BMD and the players, no wonder they all look like rabbits in headlights, with GFH dabbling in team strategy, threats etc. Makes Bates look good!
Tewt

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Yet again someone blaming the FL. Was it the FL who forced Ridsdale and co to bet the club on winning the champions league? Was it the FL who let Bates put the club into administration the second time so he could do some dodgy accounting and remove a load of debt but forcing us to play in league 1? Was it the FL who made GFH so inept that they couldn't bring in investment to one of the biggest clubs outside the premiership? Was it the FL who made GFH greedy and go for the slightly dodgy option of selling to someone who yes has loads of money but couldn't pass the directors test? The answer to all these is a big resounding no. These are all problems made by our own club. Even the fact that they have blocked MC is not something you can really blame them for, he has broken the rules set down to protect clubs from bad buyers. Again the FL didn't make him miss the payment on his yacht, he chose to not make that tax payment although we will probably never know if that was for corrupt reasons or a misunderstanding.

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Its all OK people, Cellino now has GFH in check mate, win or lose the appeal he is tying up with Leeds Together. Haigh wiil get his comeuppance

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04 Apr 2014 10:22:16
3 wishes for today:

Massimo Cellino to get FL approval today

Clueless twonk McDermott to finally get sacked 5 minutes after announcement of approval.

Kebe, Hunt and all the other dross to have their contracts paid up or be left to rot for eternity in the reserves until they are sold or out of contract.

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04 Apr 2014 12:21:57
Danny Mills please shut your mouth, you were on the Leeds gravy train, your no longer anything to do with us and your back slapping of BMD is not welcome.

Mr T.

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Get the feeling your wishes aren't going to come true. I can't see a way Massimo can win an appeal, the FL report on the original application doesn't appear to have any loopholes to exploit. I've heard BmCD will be here till the end of the season, there isn't enough money to pay him off at the moment and he is being pig headed and staying on after the debacle with his sacking that wasn't. And finally I don't think we have a big enough squad where we can leave players to rot in the reserves.

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04 Apr 2014 12:34:58
None of your wishs granted today mate

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04 Apr 2014 10:16:50
Waiting around for 6pm feels like forever. This is a massive day for leeds united! Whatever the outcome let's get behind the lads at tomorrows game! MARCHING ON TOGETHER!

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There will be no decision on MC's appeal today.

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Reading its been delayed again

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04 Apr 2014 09:28:36
I am sick of reading posts saying we need to stand by Brian McDermott and give him our support. why exactly? he has been our worst manager by far over the last 15yrs (FACT)

His signings are very poor.

Hunt - Massive wage, offers nothing, hasn't scored in all the games he "shouldn't of played" and its clear for all to see he is only there as a favour due to him being friends with Brian. not because he can improve Leeds as a club.

Murphy - Rumoured to be earing £22k a week, cost us over £1m, doesn't look like a championship player (league 1 at best) again offers nothing and we have far better midfielders who are not getting a game when he plays every week if fit.

Zaliukas - Had a couple of good games before he earned himself a long contract, since then he has looked awful and very dodgey on and off the ball

Kebe - I don't have enough space in this message to describe how poor this guy is and more than likely coming from a Premiership team on loan and again a friend of Brian's he is more than likely earning more than £20k a week from Leeds

Stewart - Awful player to be fair, has pace but offers nothing else. Doesn't have the strength to go round people has he gets muscled out every time, final ball lacks quality and doesn't track back and defend from the games I have watched him play.

Wickham (on loan) - probably the best and worst signing he has made at the same time. Best signing has he has pace for a big lad, good ball control, proved he can score goals at this level and young and ambitious. started off with a fantastic debut up front against QPR and then the poor lad gets played out wide (what a stupid tactic)

Butland (on loan) - Touted as one of Englands best goalkeepers and earning a few international caps recently. comes to Leeds and is probably statistically the worst goalkeeper we have ever had (in terms of goals conceded) and he has only been here a couple of month. You have to feel for the lad having a pathetic defence in front of him.

Tactics have been pathetic as well, he doesn't know his best team, and continues to play people out of position. He insists on playing people who are not up to it and don't have what it takes to be a Leeds player. People like Poleon, Dawson and even Ariyibi have been given no chance at all.

He constantly makes excuses for his team losing and getting battered, its always something other than the truth - he should be coming out and saying "we got it wrong from the start, the team selections were wrong, the tactics were wrong, we didn't want to play as a team and just want to earn our money and go home"

I have defended Brian more times than I have any other Leeds manager in the past and also was the first to slag Cellino off for sacking him back in January. I apologise Massimo and we should of all stood by your decision

Brian out, Redders/Gibbs in for rest of season. they have took control this season already in a couple of matches and if I'm right we have not lost under them. we even battered Huddersfield 5-1 in one of the games.

sort it out LUFC and quick before its too late

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Succinctly put. 10/10. MorleyWhite

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04 Apr 2014 10:41:51
The yep piece on BMD proves that all at the club know that he is not good enough to be our manager but can't afford to sack him.if BMD is as principled as he makes out he should resign and be better thought of.
p, s. could you also back date it Brian.

Mr T.

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Very well said, the man is full of excuses and totally inept!

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Perhaps if you read today's report in the YEP you'll realise how wrong you are.

The sh1t the McDermot has been putting up with behind the scenes for months is frankly a disgrace. I don't believe any manager would have performed well under these circumstances and most would have walked.

The assumption that there is a better manager is out there, willing to take all this chaos on and who will arrive in shining armour on a white horse and transport the team to the Champions League is pure fantasy.

We have a proven manager and some very good players who are underperforming not because they lack pride or passion but because they are having to put up with an unprecedented, chaotic, hostile working environment.

What's more, the attitude of some fans is not making things better. I've only missed one game this season and since all this kicked off I've seen good players turn into statues, frightened to go near the ball for fear of the self-proclaimed 'best supporters in the world.' The abuse that Peltier got when he was having a bad game (after a good start to the season) when the 'fans' started singing for Byram being a prime example. How does that kind of 'support' help?

No manger will sort this club out until the club itself gets sorted and anyone who thinks otherwise is simply deluded.

Sort yourselves out and direct the anger at the perpetrators, not the victims.

Sadly, I think a lot of Leeds fans live in a 'we're a massive club' dream world and have little or no grip on reality. They all seem to congregate on this site oddly. The consensus on Twitter and elsewhere seems to be very different to here.

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There is no question bmd is worst manager we have had in years. He doesn't have the passion, fight or character it takes to be at this club. We need a manager who can motivate players and make them worry about their place in the team rather than letting them coast along like nothing is wrong. Let's just get this season over and stay up then give baldy his p45.
MOT

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Think you ought to be manager. well said. this guy makes Warnock look brilliant.

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Agreed but some of rhose players mentioned are quality unfortunatly javnt performed I don't know how much of that is because of brian and how mich our fans give them a few touches then decide they're garbagr and slate them if I wer a player and recieved simillar abuse after 1 game or whatever i'd so the exact same pro or not but I agree theye had their chance now.

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"The worst manager in years" - I really don't think any rational person would judge a manager or a player in the present circumstances. Sadly most football fans are not rational.

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Unfortunately the fans have nothing to base their decisions on other than the performances and results on the field; that's the only measure that counts in this game.
Based on that we all have a right to be a little annoyed as the manager is employed to get the best out of the team, whatever the circumstances. If your suggesting he's doing that, then he's not very good at it; If he's not, exit stage left!

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Having read the YEP it seems to me that BMc has been under performance management by GFH since December.
Written and verbal warnings, performance reviews and improvement plans are all what's required when your reviewing someone's performance. It's so when they sack him they can prove they have given him every opportunity to improve, looks like they are abiding by employment law and putting him through the process!

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He has to be worst manager in years, l am a rational person and l for one cannot remember a Leeds team playing worse football than this. What happened to standing strong in face of adversity, the -15 team had it a lot worse than this but they got together as a unit and played their hearts out for the shirt
MOT

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05 Apr 2014 12:03:44
It should be clear to anyone with sense that McD has had no oppotunity to buy any players other than Murphy. All the others have either been clever spotting of good you potential [Smith] or beg and borrow players that others don't want because they are not good enough or past their best. In addition he in herited the garbage that Warnock brought in!

Give a good man, who has had every rotten apple thrown at him, a reasonable budget and time next season. As for GFH those devious camel herders need to p. s of back to the desert asap - they have been the worst possible owners that any club should have to suffer - good riddence.

Stand behined Brian the man could have walked away and instead has shown his loyalty and tuffed it out -he is a real star and desirves unreserved support from all real LUFC supporters- not the wingers that post on here every day.

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04 apr 2014 09:15:59
after all the ranting and ravings about everything from tactics, players, formations .i for one think that brian mcdermott can still do the job here.we are all wanting to run before we can walk.there is a lot sorting out to do.it will be bringing in a lot of younger players like mcdaid, and developing and integrating our development squad.
we still have a lot of players on the books that are surplus to requirements.a lot of whom will be going soon due to their contracts due for renewal.
the older experienced players that brian talks about can put a stop to the defeats we've had recently.likes of brown, tonge.pugh.i would of thought elhaj diouf, but he's out of the picture for some reason.these players should keep the rest of the team tighter with more possession of the ball.the back four should be lee's.marius z, pearce and warnock.
put yourself in his shoes .who would you put in the team so we stay in the championship to see out the rest of the season.

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You're suggesting McD should have even more time to sort out his team. I once had your blind optimism but sadly I've lost faith in him.
He's had two transfer windows and we've gone backwards mainly due to the lack of quality he's bought in. You then recommend the players he should be playing to improve and tighten up, and I agree with you, but the majority of them are players he's inherited. A blind man on a galloping horse can see the team don't want to play for him or LUFC, true it's an uncertain place at the moment but that's when man managers should stand up and be counted and work their magic. Do we like it, NOT ALOT

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04 Apr 2014 09:08:33
Just an interesting observation

You can be an MP even if you are found guilty of fiddling your expenses (fraud) but you can't own a football club.

Maybe we should request a Fit and Proper Test to become an MP

White 4 Ever

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Correction "you can't become an MP unless you've been convicted of fraud and/or money laundering"

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And then along comes Baron Archer of Weston Super Mare. Resign from politics over financial scandal, be re-elected, become deputy chairman of the conservative party, become a life peer in the house of Lords, then be imprisoned for perjury and perverting the course of justice.
It looks okay to have a track record like that to run the country

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04 Apr 2014 07:55:03
Nice interview to watch guys. Leeds next step

http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/update/2014-04-03/full-interview-mike-farnan-on-leeds-next-step/

Lindleeds

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04 Apr 2014 07:24:59
Sorry if this has been said or made obvious but I've missed it, can Ed or anyone tell me the situation with takeover at the moment, ie, is Massimo still waiting for judgement on the 75% buy out or has he now already joined forces with TL? Or is that his back up plan if today fails and if so I'm guessing he would only buy below the 30% so not required to take fit test again? And if he doesn't who would? Sorry for all the questions but there is that much rubbish about I have got bored of reading the same old stuff

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{Ed013's Note - Should find the outcome of Cellino's case today}

Yea I knew that I meant that is this decision on him alone or has he already told the league to include TL or is that a back up plan

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04 Apr 2014 08:27:10
Read the Yep, unbelievable what Gfh have made BMcD do!

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Yeah, really unbelivable. The owners of a business have asked their manager to submit one report a week. Get real in any other walk of life this is nothing.
CH

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04 Apr 2014 14:42:41
If it was like any other business you could bullet pretty much all the players for gross misconduct, but its not so let the manager, manage & coach, gfh are trying to make his position untenable so he walks without paying compo! Gfh are the lowest of the low, SHAME ON THEM!

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04 Apr 2014 07:40:21
So my fellow excellant leeds united fans today could be an early Xmas present much needed for us all let's hope mc gets approved today and we can get back were we belong fresh start some new faces and a new manager! Mot

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