Leeds Banter Archive February 05 2014

05 Feb 2014 23:10:35
Well, been thinking about this upside down round and round and inside out. Which ever way, I always come back to GFH being the cause of all of it. They obviously did not realise the implications of running a club when they bought us, will not put any of their money into it, entered exclusivity with Sporting knowing their secrets would come out. Played this off against Cellino to get the best deal and then even ballsed that up. Worse case scenario is Cellino walks as well and we are left with GFH in an unholy mess

05 Feb 2014 21:36:19
If you think I don't know anything please look at the question I posted on Jan 31st at 10.13 am.
That was 8 hours before it was mentioned by anyone else.

Far play survivor you do get more right than wrong

AW

Are you trying to say you are in the know because you posted about the italian kid and got his name wrong on deadline day morning?

It was all over leeds united news now and about 2 cagilari players coming to us, tabenilli and devlar on weds and thurs night after the cellino talks were getting serious.

crmd

05 Feb 2014 20:11:28
The words pot, kettle & black spring to mind when I read that LUST are calling the events going on at ER recently.
Take a look in the mirror LUST!
MOT with Cellino

I am getting sick of LUST talking for me. Most of the time they say the opposite of what I am thinking

LUST are the panto, bring on the crazy italian.
MOT back where we belong

05 Feb 2014 19:37:18
Flowers is protecting his money if he gets paid what he is owed there will be no court case or at least if his agreement is recognized by GFH who agree to pay him his dues when they receive money from Cellinii. Seems like he's had a gentleman's agreement since November to pay clubs overheads expects to get that money back when club gets sold to him by knocking off from purchase price. GFH have taken all gate receipts etc and expect Flowers to still stump up the cash for running club. GFH taken the mick out of flowers if you ask me.

May be true, he should have known better, you don't lend people millions without paperwork in place I feel for him but this is business

05 Feb 2014 19:03:56
Ed, do you think Flowers pulling out will affect the consotiums bid? I mean, Farnan and Leeds Together, Without Flowers said they had the funds in place last Friday

{Ed013's Note - I think its a case of too many cooks............Flowers was a big influence in Sports Capital and now I imagine the Together Leeds consortium doesn't hold the same pull with him. He now clearly wants his money back after broken promises.

I have answered a lot of questions in the best way possible, most are on the questions page as there is so much coming through that people are missing them}

Thanks Ed, been out for a while, just got in and it really does look like we have been fed a lot of empty promises by people who said they cared about our club, obviously not! When the chips were down they just folded. Resigned to Mr Cellino getting his way, just hope he respects the club, supporters and Brian and his team :(

Thanks ed I had totally forgot about that page need to check it more often!

05 Feb 2014 19:01:32
Cellino owners and directors test news updates removed from football league official website, now saying this page will be updated soon, check back later, good news or bad news?

Depends on your point of view. I don't see how he can fail the test. I'm now 95% sure Cellino will be the owner within a week unless he himself decides to walk.

I guess whatever our views as individuals we may as well just accept it and move on.

05 Feb 2014 18:25:23
People slagging Pearson off, remember how he turned hull round with ltd resources, it doesn't always need lots of money, leeds fans just seem obsessed with money, I personally would prefer stability for next couple of years, get the debt down and then maybe attract investment into the club.ask yourself what has cellino done with Cagliari, apart from move them over 500miles to play home matches, do you think the man will listen to the fans, he listens to nobody, this family friendly club will be ripped to shreds.

Took a serie c team to serie A, established them in the league,

Allems turned hull city round not pearson and look were Hull is now with his cash, pearson didn't have 70 million to invest did he?

"stability for next couple of years, get the debt down and then maybe attract investment into the club"

Thats been the story for the past 8 years, enough is enough, plus we don't have many more years left, we need the prem and we need it now!
MOT

05 Feb 2014 18:04:35
I way I look at with Cellino it's premier league and sacking managers left right and centre and with the other consortium it's league 1 with a 15 point deduction.
Money talks.
ValleyWhite.

05 Feb 2014 16:28:13
When Gfh took over Leeds I was lead to believe we were in the black and so was able to manage debts, wages, and the general running of the club,

Whats happened in this past year to make us need countless loans to cover costs, and the risk of winding up and liquidisation?

Gfh clearly can't run a club!

Bought 100% for 53mill ( reportedly )
Sell 75% for 25mill (reportedly )


So 28 million for 25%

This is a very good comment.

It's even less than that as they has sold off a percentage already, so won't own 25%

Ask Haigh he's part of it and some people on here want him to have another go

If, as is highly likely, GFH are struggling to pay debts, once sold to Cellino, the debts and court appearance would disappear, as he has the finances to take us forward, its now a no brainer as to who to sell to, the consortium has turned into a joke, with Flowers the biggest clown, so put this to bed GFH before Cellino gets as fed up as us fans and pulls out, we would be well and truly shafted, get Cellino in as soon as possible.

Then there's the 10% Salah Nooruddin the chairman bought, unsure how much he paid tho, interesting post

The sooner GBH sell us the better and good riddance!

If i'm NOT mistaken they are obviously selling the 75% at a loss, it don't mean the 25% stake is worth the remainder.

IS THIS DAVID HAIGH lol

05 Feb 2014 15:40:31
Hi ed,
I know your busy but I cannot see my post ref us not having the sponsors name on our shirts on saturday

{Ed013's Note - There are so many posts mate, I do remember it though and it was. Submitted on banter}

Cheers Ed
keep up the good work.

{Ed013's Note - Its on the questions page mate}

05 Feb 2014 15:00:36
I personally would like Cellino at the club. A passionate Italian with money and Leeds is a mix from heaven, or hell lol

I agree there in NO PASSION in this Flower(s) more like a crown of thorns, how can he look himself in the mirror the Narcissus (Greek mythology) MOT

05 Feb 2014 14:36:31
I for one, do NOT want Flowers To have anything to do with Leeds United
Who wants this man to have us an owner,
Great way to go BLACKMAIL us for us to support you
Get the sod out of our club

Italians YES PLEASE!!

Totally agree. I have really gone off Flowers as well.

Agree mate get the italian in and the enterprise person out

05 Feb 2014 14:25:29
Since November and GFH deciding they have to sell the majority stake in Leeds to pay the parent company's 110 million restructured debt. Its is rumoured that GFH have taken gates receipts and profits from sales but not put any money back into LUFC, hence both Haigh, Flowers and now Cellinio loaning money for running costs.

What fans need now is the combined bid publicly stating whether they have to financial clout to spend on leeds to take us forward, because the real answer to who would you rather have is Local business consortium IF they have the money if not it has to be Cellinio. No Money=championship.

05 Feb 2014 13:06:40
Support the cellino bid, the other super- consortium don't shove the financial clout to get is into the Leicester and forest league. He's supposed to be worth 800 million, that's him not his family.

We need the finances to move us forward. Yes team work and tactics are great, but the better the players, the better the play on the field.

No one wants to lose Mcd and I don't think cellino will dismiss him now he knows how the fans feel. The takeover needs doing ASAP .

No one knows at the moment how the consortium will fund their bid and how much they have to put into the club, at the same time just because cellino is worth a certain amount doesn't mean he will spend loads on the club, I think both bids should be made to outline their plans and finances for the club

05 Feb 2014 12:50:14
if cellino did by leeds and he sacks mcdermott so be it I think it would be harsh but no one person is bigger than the club if he ownes us and that's what he does so be it nothing is fair in life personally I think he will get fans on side by keeping him and I hope that he does .if he does not so be it moove on end of simples

Vargy I agree no one man is bigger than the club but do you wany UNCLE FESTA as manager?

So be it, so be it, so be it.

Whats wwith the Festa rubbish, Celino has already stated Festa WILL NOT bw the new manager at Leeds, please try and keep up.

05 Feb 2014 12:13:01
first post for a long time just like to say that lust statement regarding 75 PERCENT of leeds fans don't want the cellino group to take over is totally out of zinc there are lots of fans who do want them and I am annoyed that they think they represent all of us I urg fans that do support them to email his sports company and let them no they have support . Ido think the way certain things that were done was wrong but we need a strong leader and he is the man in my book we may live to regret it otherwise vargy peterboro leeds

If you check the blog on here, youll see that over 200 are in favour of Cellino, with around 140 against, Trust do not represent me or many thousands of others, as things stand he is far and away the best option.

I had a look at the LUST website yesterday for the first time, purely on the basis of keeping your enemy close because they don't speak for me, they never have and they never will. They're full of their own deluded self-importance, nothing more than that. But one article on their website, which was still there late last night, in their "Away Days" section, very helpfully provided travel information for the Yeovil game on Saturday. Kick-off 3.00pm. This simply highlights their laughable lack of intelligence and exposes how little they know about our beloved club. Wouldn't it be lovely if these imbeciles set off for Yeovil with the aim of getting there for a 3.00pm kick-off, only to arrive and find the game finished an hour. But I forgot . they don't travel, do they? LUST my a**e .

As much as I hate bates, I thought it was hilarious when he exposed gary cooper for not turning up to any games one season

05 Feb 2014 11:56:28
All you people that are now backing cellino, does that mean you back the sacking of McDermott and replacing him with festa, because that's what will happen, also ask yourself are we really going to get any good times with this person in charge, he may spend some money but what's the point in spending it on players that the owner wants and not the fans.he says he wants McDermott but mark my words as soon as he has the keys bang he will fire him, do you really want that, I want stability if that means not spending cash for now then so be it.people are to obsessed with spending, don't forget the saying money can't buy success we should know that more than anybody.

U tell me what as mcd done, the players he as bought in r crap hunt, smith, stuart and kebe, your dreaming if u think he and the two bit millionaires are our answer

If Cellino gets in then you are probabaly right & BMcD will go.
You better get used to it though, because no manager (or coach as Massimo likes to call them) will be around for long.
It won't be enough to be 'a nice guy' or 'dignified' etc. At the end of the day, it has to be about results not sentiment in today's football world!

I bet you were singing his name on Saturday though with what I might add were the majority of the 31k crowd, so I suggest your in the minority.its like he said this club needs to pull together and be utd

So man u man city Chelsea real Madrid do you say they haven't bought success.

Leopards don't change their spots. Cellino will be chaotic.

Short answer, yes, yes and yes. Needs must

They have an open chequebook, you think cellino will be in same league, you need your head testing.

And flower and pearson are a pennyless waste of time, forget keeping mc cormack and byram they need to sell to cover the losses,, carnt fans see this, at least the Italian has money, he didn't have to run around to his mates for a whip round or black mail the club who he says he supports .

05 Feb 2014 16:46:48
smith will get 20+ a season in this league .
kebe and stewart looked good to me against Huddersfield . hunt has been injured but started scoring in reserves . bmd is the best manager for us . when he says festa it won't actually be him doing the job it will be cellino.
if cellino wants leeds to succeed he will come in and leave things as they are until atleast end of season maybe bring in some players on loan.

05 Feb 2014 11:32:20
I lived in Italy for 3 years. Having a conviction for fraud and tax evasion is pretty standard. Everybody seems to do it. Just not everyone gets caught.
I was stunned with what happened to BMcD last weekend, but I suppose this is just the Italian mentality. How many coaches have AC Milan, Roma or Juve had over the last 22 years? I would nt think 35 or whatever would be unusual in Italy. I m not saying it s right, it just seems the nature of the job over there. Also, just like Spanish clubs, the owners seem to have more of a say on player recruitment. Real Madrid and Milan are renowned for it. If Cellino ends up owning us, both him and us are going to have to get used to a slightly different way of doing things. He ll spend cash, no doubt, as unlike the suits he wants success simply because he loves winning.
It seems a straight fight between the consortium and the Italian.
One side will do it carefully, thoughtfully, slowly, sensibly.
The other will sack coaches, say the wrong things, p2ss off everyone but have passion, and probably want success pretty quick. He ll want the fans to love him too.
I m 50:50. My head says the decency, integrity of the suits. My heart says excitement roller coaster of the mad Italian.
JonnyH

"I lived in Italy for 3 years. Having a conviction for fraud and tax evasion is pretty standard. Everybody seems to do it. Just not everyone gets caught."

So you're saying he is incompetent (for getting caught) as well as a fraudster then?

JohnnyH - I agree, good post

05 Feb 2014 10:44:29
Ed, do you have any developments on the whether Cellino has been approved by the FL? Seen on Ben Jacobs twitter account a day or so ago that Cellino has being approved by the FL. What's going on, can you shed some light mate?

{Ed013's Note - Ben Jacobs says yes, Adam Pope and Phil Hay say no. I would say no as the football league were still awaiting documents yesterday, but you never know with this farce! It wouldn't surprise me if Cellino gets bored and moves on, he was interested in Sheff Wed. Maybe that is why a statement was put on the OS yesterday reference Flowers and his winding up order, to keep Cellino interested. One thing is for sure, GFH need cash quickly as they are getting into more and more debt}

05 Feb 2014 09:06:16
For all those Cellino supporters out there, here are a few points that you may want to consider:

During his tenure at Cagliari he made a net income of £19m on player transfers. Does that sound like investment in the squad to you?

He has a conviction for fraud and has other charges pending. Do you want him to potentially fiddle the books at Leeds as well?

He stated that he had to sack Brian McD then said he never wanted to. You want to trust this man?

At no time has he said that he intends to buy ER or TA. He has only mentioned once that Brian McD would have a lot of money to use. Do you believe him?

There is a strong belief in the club that the academy would be wound up like at Watford. Do you want to gamble with local football and youth development to that extent?

His dealings with the stadium at Cagliari put fans at risk (dangerous practices) and brought him into direct conflict with the council, including arrest. It lead to a match forfeit penalty by the Italian FA. Do you want him to take on North Yorkshire Police, the FA and Leeds City Council as well?

Calgiari may have made it to Serie A under Cellino; however, that represents minimal investment by Cellino, they have been relegated twice and suffered numerous relegation battles (are heading for another) and have won no significant honours in the whole period. Is this the type of investment that Leeds are looking for?

In short Cellino is a spiv. He has money because he likes money and is not going to throw it at some pet project. He may well invest money to get Leeds back to the premiership and buy back ER, but he will do it for his own ends and rip the heart out of the club in the process. This man is not worth the risk.

Excellent post mate. Everyone who supports Cellino seems to think he will immerse us in cash. There is no evidence this will happen except for his "word". We have all seen he will say whatever he wants to get his way

05 Feb 2014 10:10:50
So what's the down side?

05 Feb 2014 10:14:33
Cheered me up!

Pal in the last 11 seasons Leeds have made a net income of 117 million pounds on sales, Cagliari have made 23million, which sounds like a selling club to you, Leeds have invested 18.8 million in players, Cellino has spent 6.8 million, mmmmmmmmmm.look at the ratios matey.
Ketlufc

So what's the alternative, accept Haighs consortiums bid, whos already admitted their bid failed because they couldn't raise the cash, whatever Cellino pumps into the club will be considerably more than any consortium, and if as suggested he sells Cagliari for 90 million, he's loads of money to splash on Leeds, all well be doing is moving from GFH whos skint, to consortium whos skint, we need Cellino to get us out of financial crisis and move on, bring it on Massimo.

What worries me it that it seems BOTH Cellino & Flowers have injected money into the club! How worrying is that? What are GFH actually doing? they say the wind-up order will never happen but then refuse to fund the club! Oh dear.
Also when one of Cellino or the Flowers group finally win the race to buy Leeds off GFH then surely the unsuccessful party will immediately instruct their Lawyers to petition against GFH for an unlawful sale. Especially with each having already invested millions with GFH. What a complete mess. say NO to Cellino!

60.8 million was supposed to be!

To Ketlufc - In those 11 seasons Leeds were trying to stave off liquidation and sold every available asset in the process. The overheads for Cagliari are a lot lower. You seem to agree that Cellino has made a net profit from player transfers, but seem to argue that this is OK because it is less than Leeds have? Are you are willing to sell your soul to a slightly less evil devil (in you eyes)? This guy is not like Abramovich - he is not wanting a team as an ego-trip where he will squander millions in the interest of success. If it does not go well he will cut his losses and run after taking what he can from the Club. This is a very dangerous man.

At least the Italian has some money not like the pennyless flower pot men and there 10 year plan, can't believe some people on here want another ownership with no money they will make a mockery of this club again and put us 10 years behind .

North yorkshire what do he know

I tell you what I am more happy with and that's someone that does not f**k about dithering for nearly 3 months going through due diligence trying to knock down the price because he has not got enough money to buy our club and that when he is found out and we go elsewhere he does not put our club into trouble with a winding up order for a loan that would have had pre arranged repayment dates, Andrew Flowers is not a supporter of our club.
Ketlufc

05 Feb 2014 08:52:16
People are moaning about Cellino bringing in foreign players etc. so what . the english youth set up and academys aren't good enough to produce top players, its simple. This is why england are C**P and EMBARRASSING!.
We have 4 foreign player in our whole squad
Zaliukas - Rubbish
Diouf - Past it
Kebe - Getting better
Austin - don't know whether he will turn up or not.

We need some spark and quality in the side, and the only place you find that is abroad and people need to face the facts instead of making excuses all the time.

We need money in football nowadays and you need a good bunch of foreign players to be successful.

Get cellino in and have done with it all, its getting so boring now. just wanna support my club and watch some good football. MOT!

Every team in the premier league bar the odd couple have foreign players as their star player/s

Exactly my point!

Thank someone talking sense bring in cellino! MOT
leeds unitinio!

05 Feb 2014 08:44:47
I now want this Italian to take us over, the reason I say this is our main sponsor has put a winding up against a club he says he supports and want the best for.
None of the two rival bidders have the money to keep the club running or invest in players I am sick of all the lies which have come from the English bidders, the Italian to his credit has kept his cool so on a pure financial basis I want the Italian on a football side I hope BM keeps his job and prove with the backing he cantake our club forward. I know some people might not agree with the above.

05 Feb 2014 07:35:03
All this speculation is really starting to p me off! Flowers is a joke, as for flamingo land! Really . Haige is no better than flowers . Cellino maybe cut throat and ruthless but he has the coin to make us a truly big club again. It's not a consortium we need as they never work due to too many conflicting interests and no guarantee of funds. GFH sell to Cellino he is the only 1 with hard cash . That's what's needed!

If we are selling 75% of shares wh owns the other 25%?, might be a silly question.

05 Feb 2014 05:38:10
Good For Heartache had better sell to the Italian by end of this week. I can't take any more!

05 Feb 2014 00:22:13
I was worried about who buys the 75% but after yet another gfh fiasco, i'm more worried about gfh owning the other 25%. can't even get a statement right. Not having much look with lawyers recently are they.