Leeds Banter Archive November 05 2017

 

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05 Nov 2017 23:29:22
Sheffield United we're sufficiently wary to commit numerous professional fouls - and waste time after their second goal! - against us. Lonergan has made some outstanding saves in recent matches but then commits two unfortunate howlers in the same match (and let's not forget Green's howler v Newcastle) . Even the tv pundits acknowledge Derby shouldn't have been given a penalty. Viera's game is picking up - with game time - and Saiz scares the life out of everyone we play against. Look at Alioski's reaction to scoring v Brentford - a confidence needing player if ever I saw one (why TC then took him off and put Grot on escapes me. Please don't do that again TC! ) . And Alioski put some power into that looping ball with his head to score didn't he! ? This is a team still finding its feet - and we've perhaps been spoilt with the early season form - but when they click they are a delight to watch and though we have lost, I don't believe we have been outplayed in recent matches. Additions are needed - ie. a new defensive midfielder in the Vinnie mould to read the opposition their fortune when needed and a striker who links up better and drops back and helps out when needed. Wood didn't and neither does Lasogga. I desperately want this experiment to work and don't mind another season in the championship if need be. It's not as if I'm going to go and support someone else. On On On!

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06 Nov 2017 00:16:24
Actually well said manston. A fair and true fact based assessment. 👍😃⚽️

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06 Nov 2017 08:24:39
I think we are pretty much guaranteed another season in the Championship. Fair enough if this is a work in progress but we need to add more players in key areas for it to work properly. Poor planning to have not filled the gaps pre-season but hopefully now those gaps are obvious and we recruit the players to fill them in Jan.

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05 Nov 2017 21:54:55
Best young keep keeper I’ve seen for many a year Simon Walton Brighton’s young Keeper currently on loan at Luton Town, guy big brave and commands his area, any other candidates fellas?

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06 Nov 2017 08:25:06
didnt he used to play for us in midfield?

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06 Nov 2017 11:26:30
Yea he grew 12" and lost ten yrs alf

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06 Nov 2017 11:57:25
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. I agree Lonergan made 2 errors but by dint of his position they were glaring and costly but those aside I think we would all agree he has done okay for us overall. Remember outfielders can have a rick but play thro it, and have 9 others to cover for him. Come January there are far more important positions to fill with our finite resources. Let's persevere for the season and trust that BPF gets lots of game time on loan (hopefully behind a leaky defence) and that he returns a more rounded and learned keeper. The answer to our prayers.

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05 Nov 2017 21:19:25
Question: with all this talk of people wanting TC fired, who do you want to replace him? Personally I think TC should be given a few more games, all teams have a blip in their seasons. We had a great start to the season and there was no way we could of kept that going all season.

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05 Nov 2017 21:52:22
Big blip

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05 Nov 2017 22:54:02
Blip = w-d-l-l-d-l -w-d

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06 Nov 2017 08:25:57
Allerdyce

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06 Nov 2017 11:27:22
More chance of signing Messi alf

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05 Nov 2017 19:23:59
TC may be given backing but if results and team performance don't improve significantly in next 3 games after internationals he has to go. IMO there are a small number of players who would not get near the first team. some of the team were solid campaigners last season and they just don't become poor players overnight. TC management/ coaching style is the issue as he doesn't appear to know how to stop our current poor run. He's swapping the first eleven around like a kid playing fantasy football when he should know his first eleven by now and what are best positions players have. We should not have gotten rid of Green. Bought decent centre back (or Barkley) plus another. Bought a decent replacement for Taylor. Bought one or two decent British midfielders and couple of proven strikers who know this league and can perform at this level. Probably repeating what has already been said so apologies in advance. MOT

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05 Nov 2017 19:53:16
How is he swapping around the team? One to three changes at most in league games. And. and most importantly TC has not been responsible for the dross we have bought.

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05 Nov 2017 20:00:19
Don't apologise, you are correct

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05 Nov 2017 20:16:49
Which Barkley do you mean? doubt Ross Barkley would want to play for us now if that's who your on about.

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05 Nov 2017 20:25:49
Not sure if TC can turn things round or not. But we wouldn't be having the discussion if the players pulled their fingers out and grew some balls. Far too many have gone off the boil. What's happened to Pontus for example ? And even Berardi doesn't seem his old self. Can we blame TC for that ?

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05 Nov 2017 20:40:26
He meant Bartley

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05 Nov 2017 21:14:05
Why British midfielders. All British players are over-priced. That's why TC and Orta went for foreign talent such as Saiz and Alioski, far cheaper unknowns that perform better than British players.

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05 Nov 2017 23:34:07
I agree that the players are on the pitch and are making massive blunders at times and losing us goals. TC team selection pisses me off at times. Grot isn't up to this league. not now anyway. So shouldn't be in the squad at present. Watched a prem game today involving a team from west London and a team
In red from shitchester. The blues played 3-5-1-1. Which was good to watch as they had plenty in middle too challenge and break forward and also get back and the team in red played 3-4-1-2. And was also effective with the players they had. Both teams had a player up front t who is quick and can win a heading challenge. So food for thought. Lassoga is neither. Change off formation needed asap. Next game v boro. I'd go for and it pains me after Saturday performance. Out goes lonergan. Felix. back 3. Pontus cooper Pennington middle Dallas Phillips viera klich Pablo Saiz in behind roofe. We did look better in the 2nd half for long periods. And I do agree with TC that individual mistakes are costing the team badly. ⚽️⚽️👍👍😊

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06 Nov 2017 12:03:01
Whoa there Bats you were taking me with you til you suggested bringing Felix back. A bit of a knee jerk that. Also with Pontus out of sorts what about Shaunessy in a back 3.

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05 Nov 2017 13:13:36
Radz gave the job to TC only on his presentation on Monks history of losses, so who did he have in mind before the interview of TC can anyone recall who was interview at this time .

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05 Nov 2017 15:23:06
Don’t understand the thumbs down only asking a question! don’t you understand that some people!

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05 Nov 2017 15:39:38
Hi Whiteman. Lose no sleep over it. I have accidentally given people thumbs down in the past, by tapping the down thumb as i am scrolling up or down, then being unable to work out if it is possible to correct the cock up. This must happen to other people too.

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05 Nov 2017 16:56:00
LUFCtory did wonder thanks anyway.

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05 Nov 2017 17:50:00
It’s annoying Whiteman isn’t it when you get the thumbs done for a question post? So I’m with you on that one. Also I would like to apologise for calling your some of your posts negative, I am now agreeing with you as you must of seen something that even the most optimistic like me never acknowledged, so apologies mate. I’m getting to the stage now where like yesterday watching the game I just couldn’t get into it because I sort of knew what was going to happen! It’s so demoralising!

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05 Nov 2017 23:02:02
Mikewoody67 thanks, looks like the thumbs down boys are out in full tonight, seems lots of post are receiving them,

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06 Nov 2017 04:50:35
Only those that speak the truth mate! They can do the thumbs down all day long for me, Leeds are in terrible form and I’m usually the most optimistic but right now I’m not! I for one laughed at Monk not doing well, now look, they are where we were!

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06 Nov 2017 11:29:10
Let's get him back then Mike 😁

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05 Nov 2017 12:57:37
Back to basics, nullify the oppositions strengths and play to your own strengths In the last 2 games on TV the oppositions mid fielder has been man of the match and we have not taken action to stop them . They have been running the show. First thing is you need to win the battle against your opposite number and then contribute to the team performance. We are failing in this. As others have said we are weak down the spine and lightweight. We need to get back to basics with a proper holding mid fielder, away from home also we need to be far more defensively set up . We are far too cavalier in our approach and have lost the benefit of both Bartley and Monks defensive coaching from last year. Coops is only squad standard and Ayling leaves too many gaps in behind with trying to go forward all the time especially away from home. Would try Shauns in holding mid f in a 3, with a lone striker and then either two creative players or alternatively another midfielder who can get forward like Dallas and one creative player. Give TC a fair cack at getting it turned around, 3 or 4 games after the break, failing that would look to bring in someone like Mick McCarthy

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05 Nov 2017 14:10:57
We don't have a forward who panic's defenders Lassie is far to easy to put off the ball then he does very little to retrieve the ball, Grot is not at all ready and I'm not convinced he will ever be. Brentford tackled and passed the ball and considering there budget made us look second best most of the game . Waghorn cost Ipswich 1mil and would have made far better business . Bloody shame Barton was banned as we could do with a general in midfield and on the pitch no ones screaming at players about there positioning etc . Saiz is great but often shoots rather than passing to a better placed player. I don't agree Pontus had a bad game and the penalty tackle was needed .

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05 Nov 2017 15:41:17
I have to agree PA about giving TC a few more games to turn things around but failing that if he doesn't bring in Mick Mccarthy? I really think we should be looking at some one with a bit more class than him, I think that would be taking a backward step. Take Newcastle. they aimed high and got Rafa. Why aren't we looking at higher profile managers. we are as big a club as Newcastle, really think we should go all out to get a proven name if TC goes.

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05 Nov 2017 12:40:30
I've read lots of posts on the reasons why we didn't perform as well has we should have done against Brentford but nobody as made mention of the final substitution made by Christensen. Why did he need to bring Grot on, a player who is still learning his trade and as yet is still to show he can score goals, when the team had a least a point In the bag and where in charge of the game. The result of the substitution changed the complexion of the game at the time and instead of taking a point we ended up with nothing. I am afraid to say that Christensen is a man whose looks like he's lost the plot.

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05 Nov 2017 13:04:02
East Keswick white good point for me it shows he doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing at this time, I just pray it will change soon before we enter the bottom three.

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05 Nov 2017 13:14:57
Positives from the last two games; for 60+ minutes were on top against Derby and we were in the ascendancy in the second half against Brentford. Negatives; TC failed to react to the Wienmann substitution and tactical change against Derby and tried to force the game with the substitution of Grot when the change was not required as we were in the ascendancy and most fans would have settled for a point given the first half. Unfortunately for the Brentford game TC back himself into a corner saying it was a must win game. This pressure is making him make erratic decisions and must be affecting the players (although they must also be held accountable)

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05 Nov 2017 19:55:12
Well done Notts someone being positive

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05 Nov 2017 12:24:55
Dont know what to say so saying nothing.

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05 Nov 2017 13:49:44
Well said Ox. I feel the same

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05 Nov 2017 16:42:27
Ditto. so I'll just stay insanely optimistic, or insane and optimistic.

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05 Nov 2017 12:17:46
Would be nice to know what Radz thinks about our current situation, and his plans in January, one thing is sure his 5 years plan Will come and go very quickly. Hope he can pull this off.

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05 Nov 2017 12:09:16
The club/manager allowed better players to leave. With the players we have now we need a motivational coach not a tactical genius. A coach who can get the very best from an average or in some cases poor group of players. The likes of Big Sam spring to mind but doubt he would entertain it. I see a relegation fight and yes I had my doubts at the start of the season but was pleasantly surprised. Worse set of results I can remember.

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05 Nov 2017 16:44:31
Welcome Giles. The manager didn't allow anyone to leave, because he's the coach. Orta is the man with the flan.

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05 Nov 2017 17:18:17
Brightwhite, I'd say it's more a quiche than a flan, as he only buys foreign players! 😁😁

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06 Nov 2017 16:31:12
Lol danum! We need some pies then!

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05 Nov 2017 09:19:58
Anyone remember David Batty barely used to get out of his own half!

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05 Nov 2017 09:40:23
Somebody posted on this site it’s not luck in football it’s skill now you’re posting we were unlucky can’t have it both ways.

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05 Nov 2017 10:58:15
There was nothing unlucky about yesterday, we were guilty of substandard finishing and terrible goalkeeping, we have two of the biggest strikers in the game, yet one looks like he runs on sand and the other couldn’t hit a barn door with a banjo! Half of our players can’t tackle, Siaz jumps out of tackles! You can scream all you like about unlucky but at the end of the day for what ever reason it is not working and we are playing relegation football, it’s ok saying we will sort it in January but that is a lot of games away and it will be to late!

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05 Nov 2017 11:06:52
Batty was brilliant. He did what he was supposed to perfectly. And george. U say we are playing quite well? U usually talk semi sense mate. Where did that pearler come from? And for whoever posted we are being unlucky and have made lots of individual errors! ? Errrrr. that's the diff between winning and losing. 90% of goals can be put down to individual error. So
Well done leeds. Another fine achievement. Anybody know how we get out of this slump? Anybody? We are playing rubbish. We are incapable of passing to our own team mates
We are incapable of keeping our shape. I saw 4 midfielders standing in midfield during play without 1 brentford player near them. It is coincidentally impossible for 10 players to hit bad form at the same time. There is a reason. TC! We can keep specualting about playing diff players, doing this and that. But TC has really tweaked and tried diff players. It seems we have bought rubbish in the main and whose to say we won't in jan as well
Saiz was our only decent player. Lassonga and jannsen were atrociois. Drop them both now. Shame on them.

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05 Nov 2017 11:49:06
Mikewoody67 this May come as a shock but I agree with 💯 % good post mate.

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05 Nov 2017 11:52:52
What I posted Aus is that we are not playing particularly badly. What I meant by that is we seem to be playing to our maximum and I see that as a bad thing because I don't believe we are capable of changing way things are going under TC. He's doing worse than Hock now.

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05 Nov 2017 13:26:14
Unfortunately there is not one thing that we are doing glaringly badly. That would be far easier to fix. Our problem is the worst. Lots of little errors, poor decisions, missplaced passes, lack of shape; all compounded by a drop in form for too many at the same time. All sounds easy to fix and would be independently of each other but together they form a perfect storm and requires a mental as much as a training ground solution. This is where TC and his gang will show their worth over the International break. Someone needs to draw a very deep line in the sand, regroup, remember who we are, what we can do, and go again.

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