Leeds Banter Archive July 08 2016

 

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08 Jul 2016 20:50:44
Selling cook is bad, and osman is not a suitable replacement for him in the long run.
Hope we can bring a class midfielder in for cook money. MOT.

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08 Jul 2016 21:23:35
Osman is not replacement for cook grimes is.

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08 Jul 2016 21:52:22
Amazing. I'm finding wex and I are in agreement more and more. This will take some getting used to.

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08 Jul 2016 22:05:44
George you were always my favourite poster and I know you have deep respect for my opinions and eventually I got through to your subconscious love for papa.

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09 Jul 2016 02:12:18
Yes wex. All I wanted was him to splash the cash which he's done now and I hope more to follow. I feel with right investment and coaching staff ER can be a fortress again and with a big passionate crowd.

You can't buy the love but I'm feeling some right now.

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09 Jul 2016 08:40:46
Love is in the air, everywhere I look around.
Love is in the air.

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09 Jul 2016 10:12:15
i'm so sad that I remember that song kop cat!

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08 Jul 2016 20:13:04
Deal done. Cook is a Cherry. Rare but it makes me kinda merry.

Cellino, now go get me Osman, Bridcutt and Matty Taylor.

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08 Jul 2016 20:18:11
Won't get Bridcutt, stated he needs to be a free to be able to afford his wage.

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08 Jul 2016 20:59:40
George wasa talking to papa and he hasa said we willa gets birdiecage buta nota for the lira thata biga sama wanta.

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08 Jul 2016 21:01:46
Notts

Hopefully Birdcage will reduce his weekly wage to join us because he knows we love him here.

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08 Jul 2016 21:49:38
What is with all the Osman loving?
Id say he is well past it. Championship would eat him alive.

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08 Jul 2016 23:20:22
Agree Corky, but maybe 2 more years in him at championship level brings with him Know how and some premier league class, he would bring some great experience for the younger midfielders maybe even offer him a coaching role once he helps us to reach the Premier league yes?

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09 Jul 2016 02:16:41
Thanks wex. I'm a big fan of Birdcage. He will stop many attacks.

Here's a LB name to run past Daddy case we lose Charlie.

It's another Kemar. Kemar Lawrence. NY Red Bulls Jamaican international. Could be acquired cheaply. He real fast and good defender.

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08 Jul 2016 19:36:47
so cook has gone for 7 million raising to 10 million with add ons hmmmm think we should have hung out for 10.

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08 Jul 2016 17:55:12
Monk stopped Cook going with England under 19's, so he could get a good look at him in training, and to access him close up. He will have known of interest in him, from Bournemouth, and when told of the money offered, he'll have told MC to snap their hand off!

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08 Jul 2016 15:34:09
We could be looking at Cook next season saying thank god we got that for him . He is going to have his work cut out for himself in Bournemouth midfield and it's 5050 whether he'll cut the mustard in the premier league.

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08 Jul 2016 15:49:42
Wex, I for one think he will struggle to get a game mate let alone establish himself as a first team regular, best of luck to the lad but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him loaned out to a championship side in January .

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08 Jul 2016 15:57:04
With the correct coaching he will make the England squad by the time he is 23.

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08 Jul 2016 16:21:40
He is a good player and for sure has potential but if we get the £10m for him, with 6 upfront then you can understand both the football and business sense in selling him.

I think he should do OK at Bournmouth but who knows, needs to add a lot to his game but is young so hopefully he will but I don't believe he will be one of the greats mind so take the cash and reinvest it in players that can get us out of the championship.

Not the end of the world selling him, always a bit sad when one of your own which I get but it is the world we live in i. e. prem clubs have more pull/ money than championship clubs, all players want the prem of course and big prem clubs (top 6) have more pull than the rest of prem clubs so will (most of time) get their players they want (not Vardy I know but that an exception) .

I'm looking forward to start more than I have been for ages, if we sign 2 more good players with Cook/ Flapper money when he sold then we have a squad that is/ should be capable of challenging for top 6 if managed correctly you would hope.

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08 Jul 2016 16:34:31
He looked promising in what could be described as a very average mid table championship team who flirted with relegation a couple of times . It took Bridcutt and Diagoraga to steady the ship in midfield for us . They would be my first choice mid field pair if I could pick. Some players can flatter to deceive, wish him all the best and hope he has a successful career . We might even get to buy him back on the cheap one day . Of all the players who we have lost over the recent years Milner, Delph and Snoddy would be my top 3. Would put Cook on a par with Howson and Cook has not won many matches for us like Howson did .  Carlisle springs to mind.

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08 Jul 2016 17:50:09
post of the day so far DG.

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08 Jul 2016 15:33:52
Just before I jet off on my holybobs, I would like to add my two penneth. Personally I think the Cook deal is a good one for us for the following reasons. We are not a premiership team who can afford to turn down £10m for a player who has cost us nothing. We will be a stronger team with that money re-invested in the likes of Roofe, Grimes and hopefully Osman which probably wouldn't have happened if we'd have hung on to Cook. Last season we were poor and without this sale, would probably have only brought a few journeymen or no-name players to replace the journeymen or no-name players we got rid of. that's not progress and we'd probably end up finishing the season in 13-14th place for the umpteenth time. We look stronger already and whilst I don't want us to sell Cook, other posters are right, Cellino knows how to get a good deal for a player. Ken Bates would sell for an undisclosed fee (probably £1m) .
Better to sell one player for a good fee and re-invest in several key positions than to stay with the same under performing squad. These additions will make more impact on our season than Lewis Cook alone - having said that, all the best to the lad. He'll remember playing for Leeds more fondly than he ever will Bournemouth.

MM.

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08 Jul 2016 16:58:54
Disgraceful comment.
Cook is the brightest light we have.
Explain how without this wonderful prospect we can ever achieve a high standing in the Premiership if we ever get there.
It's an owners job to invest not just to sell to buy.
Sometimes I despair.

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08 Jul 2016 17:31:58
So you'd prefer to keep one player and have no money to re-invest or have a stronger team with the proceeds of losing one player and a much greater chance of reaching the top six? One player does not make a team Jeff and if we do get to the Premiership it won't be all down to keeping Lewis Cook

Isn't your favourite player down (on one of your many profiles) as Harry Kewel? Says it all really!

MM.

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08 Jul 2016 18:02:00
Totally agree mm hate to see Cook go but you cannot force players to stay and it seems we have done a very good deal .
Last season teams were playing thru are midfield until we dot birdcage .
Some experience Osman would be worth trying, also would like another proven c/ b .
Have a good holiday!

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08 Jul 2016 18:09:23
Agree MM. Every player has a price and 6mil is enough to replace cook and more. Have a good holiday mate.

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08 Jul 2016 18:10:40
Survivor
Usually agree with you but got to disagree regarding Cook. Bournemouth will almost triple his wages and they in the PL. His agent will simply not allow Cook to sign an extended contract with such an offer on the table. This means he'd leave next July for zero pounds.

Therefore, are you seriously telling me Cook so vital you'd prefer the player than the cash just for this one season? Is it his goals you'll miss or that great job he did in midfield necessitating the acquisition of Bridcutt and Diagouraga?

When it gets to the almost Bosman stage, agents control good players. Selling him now only logical move. Surprised you don't see this.

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10 Jul 2016 08:41:43
George what I said is if we ever get to the Prem we will need many more players of his calibre to actually challenge for the title.
What's the point in going up with players who are just Chamoionship or lower quality.
An owner must invest from wherever not just rape and pillage.

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08 Jul 2016 14:20:40
Am I the only one that is seeing Matt Grimes joining as a replacement for Cook.

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08 Jul 2016 15:23:56
No, but I thought it was obvious.

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08 Jul 2016 13:30:45
Reports from various sources now indicate that cookie's fee will be £15 million with add ons! Plus a sizeable sell on fee, payments will be staggered of course, you have got to give Massimo some credit in maximising a players worth, his sale alone will fund a serious attempt at promotion This year! With all the quality new players we will now be able to afford.

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08 Jul 2016 13:39:39
DJ

He may be many things but that guy know how to maximize in negotiations. Give him that.

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08 Jul 2016 13:53:37
yes well done mc selling our best young player magic not think so.

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08 Jul 2016 14:10:30
Not £15m, it is £6m with add-ons that could rise £10m.

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08 Jul 2016 15:19:54
Not really our best young player oneleeds he didn't set the world on fire last season.

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08 Jul 2016 13:26:27
For the coming season, squad wise I would be happy if we replace any players we cash in on with good championship quality players and bring in 3 or 4 more new faces . A Center half Bridcutt a number 10 and a winger.

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08 Jul 2016 13:39:32
agreed - don't mind selling so much if we replace. with only a year left on his contract Cook would have gone for free at the end of the season or a lot less in Jan so if he wants to go (and of course he does - he's not going to turn down the Prem) best to get a good deal for him and re-invest.

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08 Jul 2016 13:56:05
sorry who's fault he's only got one year left . mc yours mind you when offering peanuts people will go . and when you spend you sell to recover your money . no win situation.

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08 Jul 2016 15:23:38
If he had 5 years left it doesn't really matter if a premier league club comes knocking we can't compete and what can we offer if lucky half the money and promise to try and get him to premiership in a couple of years he's young and wants it now.

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08 Jul 2016 12:10:36
Whatever the ever expanding figure is for Cook and whatever the rights and wrongs, it just hurts so much to be selling up to a club like Bournemouth. It's just not right somehow.

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08 Jul 2016 12:36:40
Leo
They're a Premiership club with a very good manager. Furthermore, it don't really matter who we sell him to.

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08 Jul 2016 13:23:26
Yes I know George and I accept all that but it just doesn't seem right somehow. We are Leeds after all. What sort of crazy world do we live in.

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08 Jul 2016 13:40:39
Leo
The world Peter left us in.

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08 Jul 2016 15:27:33
George I don't know what's happening but your right again . Yes we are Leeds but not the same Leeds we once were. We are mid table championship team with a mid championship budget and Bournemouth are a mid table premiership club with premiership budget.

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08 Jul 2016 11:17:28
ssn reporting the cook deal is worth upto £15million!

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08 Jul 2016 13:58:56
and if they go down no add ons.

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08 Jul 2016 11:12:31
Just read on news now a post stating bridcutt available at 500g and Henri Lansbury for £6m! That could be interesting, Lansbury provides goals from midfield . i'd definitely take that. Thoughts?

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08 Jul 2016 11:42:56
Bridcutt should already be here at that price.

Lansbury good player but overpriced at 6m. Probably worth little over 3m.

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08 Jul 2016 12:52:20
George it's inevitable that the way prices are inflated these days that gunna follow suit in the championship. Sad to say pal but money is ruining the game, excited for the season though now we have a bit of pace in the ranks and add about 3 more, 1 centre back 1 midfielder 1 centre forward.

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08 Jul 2016 13:24:30
And a left back.

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08 Jul 2016 14:10:13
I have thoughts on replacement LB Bige. A good one difficult to find. I'd like Wex to pass on a name to Cellino and Monk.

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08 Jul 2016 14:43:13
Berardi Left back Coyle Right Back if taylor goes.

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08 Jul 2016 11:00:12
I have to agree with a lot of the posts below re Cook
1 goal and two assists last season ain't great is it?
Looks good running forward with the ball but no end product and let's face it last season that was as exciting as it got.
10 mill is great business.
But Bournemouth really? I was on Bournemouth beach twice this week. Lovely in the sun but wouldn't aspire to play football there.
Good luck Cookie. See ya
COME ON LEEDS⚽️⚽️⚽️.

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08 Jul 2016 14:00:29
yes must be the big home crowds.

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08 Jul 2016 10:42:40
all praise to MC for spending big to buy Roofe. Where did the money come from? Bournemouth maybe.

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08 Jul 2016 11:14:22
Leodis I read somewhere that he has funded the roofe deal with his own personal funds! Or was it a certain Mr Crowe!?

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08 Jul 2016 10:40:04
Personally I think Cook is over hyped, Yep you may disagree but that's my opinion. CELLINO says he won't sell Taylor and taylor has same agent that basically told Byram to leave! If these players don't wanna be here for whatever reason then let them go. 6 to 10 million folding for Cook is terrific business and look at what we've brought in already
Rob green good keeper and will help BPF develope
Bartley looks far better than bellendushi
All 3 midfielders/ forwards look decent and the key is sakho and roofe both have pace which we have sadly lacked for years. So yes let cool n silvestri leave and invest in maybe bridcutt another goal scorer and a centre back .
The Russell crow pics this morning could indicate investment as well why else have breakfast with massimo! Dare we pray for him to buy out GBH!?

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08 Jul 2016 10:05:37
A good mate of mine is a Swansea season ticket holder and has told me our loan signings are a good bit of business. Let's hope so.

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08 Jul 2016 09:48:47
badge kisser then byram now cook maybe taylor as well so mc good for club spending money but he's not he sells our future to do it and recoups money . cook taylor are players we need to go forward . sell them and we will stay where were we are . I was looking forward to seeing these players take us up . ok a few quid good business NO WAY . mc just taking money . I am very disappointed . cook will be a great player but now not for us . so who will he sell next year phillips and any other that comes through . get out MC you don't sell your best players and then say I want top 6 .

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08 Jul 2016 10:39:31
What's the alternative oneleeds a player gets told a premiership side want and will pay you four times what your getting here but your not going. Player sits and sulks causes unrest in squad loses form and leaves for half of what you were originally offered. Leeds haven't got the money to compete with a premiership club.

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08 Jul 2016 10:50:41
I disagree.

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08 Jul 2016 11:16:11
On what grounds trev.

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08 Jul 2016 11:38:39
I'd never thought I'd say this to you wex but in this instance you are correct.

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08 Jul 2016 11:48:16
Trev

You have to see the writing on the wall. Bournemouth are in the premiership, we ain't. Players want to play at the highest level. We cannot compete with top level clubs for wages. I defy anyone offered a pay rise that would quadruple your wages and be given a nice lump sum in a signing on fee to turn this down. Good luck to him. Hopefully we have a sell on clause, because one day he could become a top draw player.

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08 Jul 2016 12:44:27
Hard to take but that's what football is about. We got Roofe from lower division because they could not match wages and he wanted a bigger stage. Same with cook and taylor. And like wex said its no good making them stay. Sad but that's all folks.

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08 Jul 2016 09:15:53
Cook £10m, good business if true IMO.

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08 Jul 2016 09:52:07
selling your best players is not good business he could have 15years at leeds . mc sells to pay for lesser players and hopes it will work . taylor next then phillips etc etc etc.

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08 Jul 2016 10:05:47
One or two defenders, and some experience in midfield as we are not quite sure what to expect from the new guys.

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08 Jul 2016 12:33:21
Oneleeds, you say he could have 15 years at Leeds, he could also suffer a terrible injury, never play again and be worth nowt. We don't know what the future holds but if he wants to leave what can be done to keep him? We can't match the wages of a PL side (or if we did for a 19 year old how many others would want an increase) so the options are either refuse the offer and keep a player who could be unhappy or sell him whilst we can get some cash for him. We aren't a big hitter and cannot compete with some of the sides in the Championship, never mind the premier league.

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08 Jul 2016 09:09:04
Osman exactly the right type of player we need. Might be too experienced though.

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08 Jul 2016 09:53:42
yes sell a 20yr old and replace with 34 yr old makes sense.

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08 Jul 2016 11:27:32
Grimes is the replacement for Cook. Just wonder about the longer term. Cook has good potential but we need players to do the job now. He was doing it consistently and there were too many championship players who got the better of him. We have got some pace and youth just need a bit of experience to go with it.

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08 Jul 2016 12:23:01
Agree with Hesslian someone like osman or similar with lots of higher league experience can come in immediately and have an effect THIS season and could push us into a top 6 position, cookie is still developing and not ready to make a difference on a consistent basis as his stats suggest, yes he has big potential but it is unfulfilled potential at the moment. anybody who watched him last season could see his weaknesses ie end product, see the killer pass, scoring regularly from midfield, all can be improved on, and will be By Eddie howe, I don't think he will walk into the Bournemouth team straightaway. 10 million pounds is just too good for him (wages signing on fee) and Us to turn down, ssn are even reporting 15 Mil which is HUGE money and will allow us to buy the quality and experience to get us out of this league THIS season and not wait for the likes of cookie to fulfil his potential, only when we ourselves are in the Premier league will it be different because then we will have the clout and finances to keep hold of our youngsters and fulfil their potential at Elland Road and not down at so called lesser little premier league sides. Peace fellow leeds optimists MOT 😎.

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08 Jul 2016 09:04:38
Sad to see cook go but what has he actually bought to the table. If you look at Luke Murpheys stats they are better comparing minutes on pitch. So for me me yes we are losing potential but for me he didn't really set the world alight last season so let him go for 10 mil with a sell on clause like the friendly ghost and we can see some more dosh coming back if really is as good as others believe.
On paper we are much better than last season already, didn't score much last season but that is now hopefully addressed with two in and our central defence is better, so bring it on.

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08 Jul 2016 09:29:08
Agree lots of potential! But 85 games and only 2 goals from midfield! 6 million is a good price!

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08 Jul 2016 00:44:13
haha, check out the picture of terry george with massimo and russell crowe on news now Hmm.

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08 Jul 2016 02:07:28
Story behind every picture. Much prefer Crowe as shareholder than Giro For Homeless.

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