Leeds Banter Archive August 09 2014

 

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09 Aug 2014 22:38:52
Well said Ian Holloway. A proper manager who doesn't talk a load of flannel! The Hock is only new to us but he seems to be talking total crap 90% of the time. Or is it just me? I've said it all along that he is the most bamboozling appointment of all time in football history. And not just because of one lose! Anyway keep the faith lads because its going to be another long and hard season. MOT.

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10 Aug 2014 07:09:42
forest green played 17 lost 13 he was cheap 80k a year he played 9 outfield players from last year so what's new nothing we lost so why bring in players in the first place and why play youth as how good they are then dump them

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09 Aug 2014 21:36:46
I know some will say I am being negative but being realistic and telling it as it is is not negativity. I agree that MC has done some fantastic work since arriving, sorting out a real mess and rebuilding the club bit by bit to ensure we have a stable financial footing to move forwards, however all that seems less important than having a weak squad, the bottom line has to be about the team and winning games.

By winning games everything else falls into place more easily, the crowds will increase, more money will come into the club, better players will want to join when they realise we are going places, and sponsors will come on board if they think we will be a premiership club soon.

The realistic bit of this post is that the team is nowhere near good enough, the starting 11 today was not that much different from last season, apart from a league one winger a goalkeeper and a striker, although I appreciate one of our new players was a sub and the other suspended

We desperately need good quality championship players, and may need to pay proper money to get them, I am getting annoyed when I see other clubs snapping up good players when there appears no reason why they could not sign for us. I am prepared to wait and see what happens these next two weeks before the window closes before passing a proper judgement, but for me we need three defenders as I don't believe Pearce has the all round skills to be a regular starter but I do recognise that he was one of our better players, we also need a midfielder and the 20 goals a season striker.

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Mark
I totally agree but look at 2 sides of the coin.
We could have kept (the badge kisser) who didn't want to stay, we could have kept the majority of the team from last year and added a few players. Great we would have a few new players but the same DEAD WOOD and would be losing more money every month. Administration would be hovering every other week and we would be mid table for the next 20yrs.
I know the team is poor and we will be fighting relegation but we couldn't carry on losing £1mill a month.
People can't see if the wages were NOT capped we couldn't survive.
MC is not going to pay millions for players, so he needs time to find young and hungry players and develop them like he did at Calgari.

NO good moaning lads unless you want GFH/BATES back, I know what i'd rather have.

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Not the case though Andy is it? Hockaday's appointment, as some of us said at the time, was a very odd decision. We don't have to want Bates/GFH back to have found that appointment baffling. Being sceptical about Hockaday is not the same as being pro Bates/GFH. At least try and keep your arguments logical.

This site seems to have become a non-critical Cellino love-fest in recent weeks so I've kept out of it. I've been worried from day one about Cellino's baffling decisions and stated it several times on here before the 'getting shot down in flames' and told I'm 'being negative' thing became tedious. Reasoned argument seems to have gone out of the window on here (and those talking about relegation after one game are not being reasoned either).

It's early days and far too soon to write off the season, or the manager, but at least now we might be able to have a bit of debate on this site without being abused by all those who were getting wet-knickered at the very mention of Cellino.

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Axeman
Totally agree I'm only guessing but I'd say over 90% of us didn't want the hock.
Maybe MC set the cheap option on until he's got the players in place to hire a decent coach, is this part of his transition period! WHO KNOWS.
If history repeats itself I'd say the only certainty we have is if performances don't improve the Hock won't see the autumn out.

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10 Aug 2014 10:40:40
Excellent post axeman, completely agree and i'm keeping my reservations to my self for the same reason, I think MC likes to do his shopping at Aldi, it looks the same but isn't!

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09 Aug 2014 20:44:25
Hiya, as you can probably guess from my log in name I am an SWFC fan but this is an honest question I asked a couple of friends who are leeds fans and I wondered what your opinion was on this. I was wondering how many games you think Hockaday has if things start badly for him before Cellino weilds his axe? Don't get me wrong here I don't want you to fail, two or more strong clubs in Yorkshire having a good rivalry is great and will spur us on to succeed but I was looking at Cellino's record with managers/coaches and he does like to fire and hire them. Do you think he might change his approach with it being a different country or is he too hungry for success? My friends general opinion was that if your not in the top half after the first 10 games his trigger finger might get a little itchy. As I said though I hope you do well this season, although not quite as good as us

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{Ed013's Note - I am hearing the paperwork was mixed up and its Wootton that was supposed to sign and not Lees ;-)

I was at the game and would of fire hockaday at half time. Hockaday out. wost leeds performance I have ever seen, it was a joke and millwall fans felt sorry for me, no hate no banter just pity. it was that bad

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5 games tops.

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09 Aug 2014 22:55:53
Thanks SWFC13. Fair do,s a Yorkshire Man having an opinion! Hope we batter you when it happens? But your right, shyte manager & shyte team! I love Leeds but have to be realistic, not negative and say with what we have at the moment! Coach and team are worse than last year! Hope I'm wrong!

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09 Aug 2014 20:39:12
The Championship is one if the hardest leagues to compete in.
Seeing as I haven't actually seen this team perform yet and it being only one game into the season its hard to be to critical at this stage.
However, gut feeling is that it could be a while before we see any decent team performances, We have a coach(manager) that has never managed at a professional level, new players that haven't competed in this kind of league before.
Commentry didn't sound very good nor did the line up, HUNT couldn't hit a Sumo Wrestlers backside from 2 yards yet gets a start, we still lack width and creativity and most of all a quality striker, just hope a big crowd at home to Middlesbrough brings a good performance.

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09 Aug 2014 20:26:14
was at Millwall today and many people in the know say Millwall are making a new bid for Smith of just over 2mill

also sorry to say but things at Leeds are dire, Byram is not interested and if bids of 4.5 mill have been made should be taken as is about 3 mill more than he is worth. Hunt is useless and should be put out to pasture. Dolmoka (however you spell it) has bit of skill but is half harted. Alose has no clue where he is running.

HOCKADAY OUT. no I don't want to give him a chance, our defending is comical we were I think going for zonal marking which was so bad it should of been 5-0 today (millwall should of had 2nd penalty). Our set plays were shocking our corners where so bad it was almost funny. We had no passion no clue no organsation and players will not sign for the hock (why so many have backed out would you play for him if decent of sign for 'proper team with proper coach?')

I go millwall leeds every year and sit in millwall end, we normally lose but we try and fight, today millwall fans felt sorry for us, they could see we are a joke and many said to me they think we could go down. With out many new players and a real coach/manager we have no hope. look at our squad list just two centre halves, look at our starting 11 noel hunt? keeper looks decent and hats off to austin and murphy who did try shame about rest of team, although poleneon looked lively when he came on and is ten times the player hunt is. been leeds fan since 89 love us through thick and thin and I do like mc but worried. Also Cockaday as he has been named in my neck of the woods promised good football like at forest green, we were long ball team today long ball with no idea no end product no passion and no clue how to defend. Good news leeds keepers kit is nice and I for one liked it in league one and think we shall be back there soon.

I think keep smith let byram go he might be decent but doesn't want to play for shirt on what I saw today and didn't look gutted when we lost which he should of. Millwall fans all agree worst leeds team they have seen in years

MOT just hopefully with out the hock

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Nicely put Bermondsey I admire your post, you speak as it is no frills n spills but as YOU see it and that's the way it should be that's what this sites about.

All WITHOUT any negativity.

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10 Aug 2014 01:42:21
Bermondsey, your post summary is serious. If qhat you say is true can't see us winning any games and Hockey will be fired inside a month. Gary Mc anyone?

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Yes I think my post is quite accurate and honestly love this club. I come from Millwall and all my family and mates are millwall, I was only leeds fan in my school and have always taken stick for being 'a northern monkey' from South east london, however I have never been ashamed to be a leeds fan and always been leeds proud. Always in the shirt despite getting stick in pubs and betting shops for being only leeds fan. always been leeds proud. yesterday I was embaraced. it was joke. our corners and attacking set plays were like school boys no one knew what anyone was doing, our defending was always desperate, our marking from their set plays were non exsistant. players bottling it from tackles, not knowing patterns of play and positioning and attacking play with no idea of what the aim was and worse it no passion. Play me I poor but would bleed for club other than austin and murphy no one looked bothered. Keeper is a big improvment but that really is it. don't mind getting religated have seen it before but go down fighting. I think this year we will be the joke of the country unless things change or improve dramaticly. Hockaday is not fit to run this club and his record proves this. I can take losing but embraced by what I saw. As I said and this is the worse thing millwall fans on train home where offering me pity not banter we were that bad

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09 Aug 2014 19:47:34
Terrible performance today. It was very clear that all the hard work put in by hockaday and the players was not implemented at all. The tactics and build up play created by hockaday against Dundee and Swindon were completely thrown out the window and it was also clear most of the players have bottled it and do not put in enough effort. I don't mean they are not chasing the ball down but they are not taking the effort to control the ball, look up, pass and make threatening runs. I thought noel hunt Was just a scapegoat but he makes varney look quality. He is one of the most pathetic useless players I have ever seen across all levels. Today he fouled, he sliced, he hoofed and toe punted a sitter that if he had put some power on it would not have been cleared. Wooton makes me very nervous because he is extremely weak physically and poor on the ball. I don't know what he was doing for the second goal, just stood there whilst a player went free.
Byram, ajose, silvestri, warnock, Pearce, Doukara and murphy are the only players we should have who have proved they are championship quality the rest should just be squad players and some should be released. Hockaday was definitely not to blame. Just incapable, lazy players.

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Sorry have to disagree hockaday is to blame and I will explain why. firstly no passion even leeds lads like byram didn't play for the shirt today, so Hock can't fire people up. then marking for corners and set plays, I think it was zonal but know it was Sh@@ and that is hocks job, then general joke defending, Hock said we would play football but we had no game plan, just hoof ball, then hunt why pick him over poleneon who was one of our better players, that's hock's call. then our set plays where so poor they were funny they were not well drilled. Hock had the biggest budget in none league and nearly went down four times, now with us he will finally fullfill his desitiny and get a team religated. Hunt one of the worst players agreed hock one of the worst managers, agree and his stats and performance today back me up big time. HOCKADAY out too big a job and not his fault he out out out

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09 Aug 2014 22:06:02
Wasn't the second goal a penalty!

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09 Aug 2014 23:54:51
Leeds have been hoofing the ball for the past 2 seasons and hockaday has inherited a squad who have been hoofing it and as pre- season showed he did change that but the players bottled it in the league. Hockaday even admitted that the players did not follow tactics. Again hockaday can only work with what he's got and wooton is useless. The defending has been terrible for at least 4 years because of lack of investment. Hockaday needs to be backed financially so he can implement his style of play. Sacking managers but keeping the same rubbish players will not help us at all.

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More or less what I was going to say Steve91. I still think Salerno should be spotting and signing the majority of players because his track record is pretty good. I do agree though that players just bottled it and I think Hockaday has a job on his hands trying to make them keep the ball on the ground.

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Whats the point in giving hockaday backing, he had the biggest budget in none league and nearly got religated year after year. I am not judging hock on what I have seen but also from his own record. Biggest budget in none league and he failed badly then going up in class he is going to be found out. many players won't play for him, bryam mccormack ones that have not come in partly due to hock. be honest if you was a pro player would you sign for him and his record or a real manager like stuwart pearce or ian holloway. Not his fault be he is not qualified to coach team. be different if he was young or up and coming but he is and always have been just a joke, at 56 he would of made it by now if he was even half decent

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09 Aug 2014 19:10:55
What are your guys opinions on byram and Southampton? Personally I would sell him for as much as we can get and get a decent striker in. I would rather have a 5 mil striker than a 5 mil RB. Since when does a championship team need a 5 mil RB, not even a promotion squad needs that. Plus had a few injuries and not a good sign when he's such a young age already.

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09 Aug 2014 18:55:16
Lets hope Hockaday will soon be Yesterday

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09 Aug 2014 18:24:05
Listened to game on radio Leeds. They were saying we had no creativity in midfield. What's happened to Mowatt is he injured or just out of favour?

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What about benedicic? Suppose to be our create young spark in midfield and doesn't even get a sniff at our creative lacking team.

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I think Benedicic was a bit soon. I think he'll get subbed on in the Accrington game but I think Dawson will start ahead just so he can have a proper run out and Hockaday can get a look at him.

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09 Aug 2014 17:51:52
Would love to hear a report from someone who went to the game. Heard the commentary. Sounded like a dire performance against a poor team. Any positives?

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09 Aug 2014 18:14:50
Has anyone heard comments about today's performance from the Hock or MC?

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{Ed013's Note - The Hocks comments were clueless, it was as if he hadn't watched the game!}

Positives

* We didn't lose heavily

* Bianchi didn't play so we have that lifeline

That is all

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09 Aug 2014 18:51:17
Hocks comments :-

"This is what I am used too, this is where I think I belong and tactically I think we got it right"

Well thank god he got the tactics right or we could have lost 6-0 or worse

"I am in charge, I am the head man and I will take responsibility"

In charge for now maybe and I am sure MC will hold you responsible

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ED Only just listened to it the Hock didn't do himself any favours at all.

I know a bit about football systems, formations etc but the Hock unless he doesn't want to give anything away hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. He states we want to pass the ball and get behind teams, then he says you need qaulity to do that!
Surely he knows what qaulity he has or has NOT got before he goes onto the pitch and sets his team up with a formation that utilises his qaulity and strengths. If it looks like its NOT working change the shape and the system to plan B but his only plan B today was throw Smith up front and hit the long ball.

Daaaa Jaaaa Vueee

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At the game, positives. our keepers kit looked nice. It ends there. Hockaday out worst manager ever in our history. he said his team play good football today was long ball with no end product. I have suffered and can take losing but today was a disgrace. biggest think to take on board was the millwall fans felt sorry for me, I was on train with 100 millwall fans all saying leeds were poor, lacked passion and one of the worst teams they have seen. pity from millwall fans says it all. but our keepers kit is smart and the keeper looked decent

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09 Aug 2014 17:48:01
Wonder if all those optimists are sampling the reality now? I hoped for the best too, but selling our best player and bringing in mediocre talent hasn't strengthened the team whatsoever! Reality is not negativity! We need QUALITY signings and a QUALITY manager ASAP

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Yes it was a poor performance VERY poor i'm making my 7hr journey back home nothing to sing about nothing.

As for our best player BRILLIANT got substituted away to the tractor boys and scored 0 a bargain @ £11mill lol

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So I guess we are saying we need players similar to . say. Viviani and maybe . er. Sorensen?

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Andy mate stop being sour. RMC was a very good player for us, not just last season, and so what if he decided to go. To me he earned his status at Leeds but, in his opinion, he would be better off else where. Maybe, hopefully not, by xmas he might be proved right that Fulham have a better chance of promotion. Not to mention the massive payrise! Personally I can't understand fans that get passed off when players want to leave. Payrise and a big signing on fee normally does it! Think about it, these guys aren't Leeds fans like us and its only a job for them. But as long as they are playing for us they should try their best and then they should be applauded by us all and not derided. MOT.

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CORK
Sour maybe a little mate, Ross had one good season with us and IN HIS own words would only leave for a premiership club.
The Hock is getting the blame for Ross leaving well I was sat in a VIP room with Ross/Pearce/Hunt/Austin/Poleon (3 players I can't mention as there my friend and his 2 mates) back in Feb and they were ALL betting £50 each into a kitty where Ross would be playing in August.
So your Messiah signed a NEW contract but new he WAS NOT going to honour it, doesn't that leave a sour taste mate?

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No andy it don't if I was ross I would be on my toes, he loved leeds but we are a joke, any self respecting man would not play for leeds if they have any ambition. who would stayed in ross's shoes? league 1 squad with none league boss, in fact hock failed in none league so let's say secondary school coach. ross will be doing better than us and good luck to him

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09 Aug 2014 17:21:45
Blame the manager all you want and maybe, he is partly to blame but you could put Mourinho in charge of the players we have and I'd be shocked at anything higher than mid table.

We need championship or above players who are tried and tested. Mediocre Serie B players will get is nowhere fast.

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09 Aug 2014 17:34:16
How many of those serie B players got a game!?!

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Wootton, WarnocK, Austin, Tonge, Hunt weren't good enough last season yet all start says it all.

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09 Aug 2014 17:49:56
I agree you can't solely blame the manager - BUT will the Sheriff?

Wonder what the odds are on Hock being here come end of September?

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Need at least 3-4 first team players. Too many average players for us to expect anything from this season. Why Wotton gets a game is beyond me

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What is most disappointing for me is that after hearing all the pundits and reports is that we were not up for the game. The way Hockaday spoke when he was appointed about working hard and giving everything for the shirt was the one and only thing that may make a difference from what we have seen in the last few years. Its early days but if he can't get the players to perform now how will he be able to in the future.

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Sorry hock 100% to blame, he picked hunt over poleneon, he drills team, he is responisble for set plays and defensive system and patterns of play, he is a joke we today were a joke, I have never been so angry and dissapointed and it lays with manager, a better manager makes all the difference look at pulis at palace, a better coach would pick better starting 11 and get them playing better, I could get them playing better.

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09 Aug 2014 23:14:10
Doukara is the only signing from Serie B, but why let the facts get in the way. Most of the terrible players in the squad were signed by Warnock and McDermott, but due to their large wages, it is tough to get them off the bill. For all the whingers who demand we spend £20m, look at Ipswich and all their free transfers.

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10 Aug 2014 08:47:57
bad odds 1/2000 out out ut before its to late

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09 Aug 2014 17:21:24
Cellino needs to open his wallet before it's too late and end up having another season like the last one

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Ryan
Like Ridsdale did!

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09 Aug 2014 16:59:36
So Wackaday pre match said we could get something from Milwall if we play to our capabilities! Does the result mean he is full of it or he can't get us to play to our capabilities? I'm all for getting behind the team and coach, but give me something to get behind!

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09 Aug 2014 16:58:24
At least result better than Huddersfield, long long season ahead!

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09 Aug 2014 17:41:45
Nice one chips! Find a positive in a 2-0 defeat!

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09 Aug 2014 16:49:53
Starting the season exactly how we finished it .

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09 Aug 2014 16:25:00
So Morison scored in last 2 games and he doesn't even make the bench! Is he suspended or something?
Hunt instead of smith?
Not feeling too optimistic of getting anything here today

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{Ed013's Note - It is all a little suspicious to me! It stinks of not wanting to plat against his old club! Calf strain Mmmmm!}

09 Aug 2014 15:22:57
1-0 after 8 mins - looks like we do need him, but doubt if it is back on anyway

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Haven't seen game but how is weak link wooton playing?

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Weak link wooten means other links have to be stronger, 11 weak links being lead by weakest link of all the hock

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09 Aug 2014 15:07:42
My point is why state the deal is done when it clearly wasn't (done for me requires the signature) Surely this opens the door to the agents asking for more. What Sorrenson asked for on Tuesday was obviously acceptable at that point and hecan't have doubled his demands overnight. What actually was the reason the transfer broke down I guess we will never know - Its just frustrating as I like you and many others just want to see Leeds be Mighgty Leeds once more.

By the way I Love your positivity ANDY

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GRABAR
According to my contact and its just appeared on another site it was his agent that upped the anti and LUFC spent 2 days trying to thrash out a deal that's all I know ;(

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09 Aug 2014 14:54:59
morrison not player what a suprise

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I can't for the life of me see why Hunt is in the squad, never mind the starting 11, his record for us is as bad as any, can see us struggle without a quality replacement for Mac, got to hope Massimo has someone lined up this transfer window, as for now would have Smith in before Hunt.

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Hunt had one cleared off the line ;(

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09 Aug 2014 17:23:11
As far as I'm aware Andy that's not scoring! Have patience guys long season ahead but in Massimo I trust MOT

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09 Aug 2014 18:14:34
Only said in jest fella, am off out to get the mick taken but Leeds loud & proud forever MOT

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Degsy unless i'm blind where did I say or insinuate he scored!!

Was at the match and sent a report in to the people slagging players off from a comfy armchair mate.

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I was at game also, people in armchairs can not begin to imagine how bad and joke like we were, no good from today should of been 5-0 wall should of had another pen, our first two corners where like sketch from dads army with no clue what was going on, defensively we were joke, marking was no there, and we looked as deadly as a baby with a spoon. arm chair fans stay there this year and ease your pain. Leeds today were a joke even millwall fans were pitying me, mighty millwall pitying poor leeds who look set to go down, says it all

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10 Aug 2014 01:46:50
Wasn't there today Andy, don't rate Hunt but will support him whenever he wears the white shirt. Will be there as often as poss to support the lads , regards from one white to another MOT

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09 Aug 2014 11:44:19
Just watching ssn, they brought up our signings on screen & Jack Butlands name was on there. have I missed summink? ed - I could send a pic of it if you like (can't attach one on this form)

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09 Aug 2014 09:34:44
what time do team sheets come out?

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Silvestri

Byram
Pearce (c)
Wootton
Warnock

Murphy
Austin
Tonge

Ajose
Hunt
Doukara

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09 Aug 2014 09:00:53
As I posted earlier all the big deals seem to fall through - I applaud the sentiment of not being exploited and paying over the odds but surely in the case of Sorrenson, Viviani and the lad from Chesterfield this could be seen as Negotiation - what I find most frustrating and unbelievable is that two off these deals were confirmed by MC then they hit troubles and fall through - I thought that MC with Salerno were used to dealing with the Italian transfer market!

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GRABAR
The Sorrenson deal was done last Tuesday, from what I've been told his agent then wanted more and more and negotiations went on for a further 48hrs.
If you have one player earning 25k and his side kick on 15k you get friction, look at last year when MC let it drop some players were on a vast amount.

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09 Aug 2014 13:24:01
If Viviani and Sorenson really wanted to come, they would be here. We need at least 1 CB and a striker but we will get them without being held to ransom. I would rather see the kids than greedy players who only want the money.

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Agree 100% scoops

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I agree wholeheartedly about greedy players 99.9% are overpaid, but unfortunately wages and players demands have spun out of all control (What did happen to FFP).

BUT we DO need to add some quality (I am not saying we should be held to ransom) but if we don't add 1 or 2 of these type of players to the squad then MC ambition of PL football in 2 years is nothing more than a pipe dream and it will be more miserable Saturdays to come.

Still be here suffering and hoping every Saturday :-(

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09 Aug 2014 08:44:31
Sorenson deal collapsed last night after fall out with the players agent; viviani, Sorensen, bellusci, cooper. Maybe a pattern forming here?

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09 Aug 2014 11:18:59
Have a look at some of the other clubs up and down the leagues - it happens! Some of the agents are on cloud cuckoo land when it comes to money and they clearly want the best deal to improve their cut! If MC bends over and takes it up the chuff then we will be skint again! Be strong and stay strong! Use the young blood if we can't get our man! Come on Leeds!

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09 Aug 2014 09:20:45
Just a team I slapped together as my prediction for the Milwall game. Not sure on who would play out wide though as there seems to be quite a few options although none seem to me like they were made to play out there e.g Morison.

http://leedsrumours.co.uk/formations/NorthernladMOT.php

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09 Aug 2014 09:48:12
Seems to have gone wrong on the formation front. Just chose the other team formation and berardi at left back. Sorry lads

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{Ed033's Note - The idea is to choose the closest formation then drag and drop 'player shirt icons' to the exact location you want the players to be and then name the players.

Sorry ed. I made two and the first one was correct besides me putting bianchi at left back instead of berardi. First contribution on my new login and I've gone and messed it up haha

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09 Aug 2014 08:44:07
{Ed033's Note - You can use our Leeds Team Formations creation app to create Leeds teams now. They will be posted on the Teams page

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09 Aug 2014 01:02:08
Leeds in for Danny graham again today

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NO thanks wouldn't take him for free.

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