Leeds Banter Archive August 09 2016

09 Aug 2016 18:38:53
Think West Ham have a cheek. If Pogba is worth £89 million and Stones is worth £47 million and Lee's is worth 25k a week we should be asking at least £15 million with add ons for Taylor.

09 Aug 2016 19:09:22
Think you are La La Land not Deda Land!

09 Aug 2016 20:12:31
think taylor is worth that but only at higher club, no championship club would get that for a full back. same with cook worth more but not as leeds player bournmouth will proabably go down and sell cook for 15 20 mill.

09 Aug 2016 20:18:21
Deda

He's in final year of contract, won't sign another, handed in a transfer request, plays in championship and is not a full international. 8m or maybe 9m is surely the ceiling.

09 Aug 2016 21:31:41
George

There is aot of money about paying £25k a week for Lees to play in the championship and Stones cannot get an England game and is very average. Taylor is in the last year of his contract because of one person only. Had all last year to get him on a longer contract but didn't. If he goes for cheaper than we should have got then Cellino at fault again.

09 Aug 2016 22:23:04
Very good point Bermo.

10 Aug 2016 08:53:06
Good point George. Crying shame if he does go, but we should be looking to replace. Take the money and strengthen before the end of the window. The quicker the better. There are 5 games in total before the end of the window and we really need to gel quickly or else 15 pts will have gone begging.

10 Aug 2016 10:17:50
Only problem is Cellino won't pay the wages. If Lees is on £25k and Hooper is on £32 What is Austin, Ross and some of the top players. It looks like we are losing out to Reading on Moore. You have to pay out market rate, we don't so will end up with another 6 players who will take us sideways at best.

09 Aug 2016 16:29:17
Trouble with Leeds is
1. too many managers, too little time
2. revolving door of players too
3. not enough quality
4. not enough championship experience
5. players that fear big crowd pressure of leeds fans

will obviously support monk and team. not entirely sure if he knows his best 11 yet. players seem to be like headless chickens. need experienced championship players. not sure about promotion worthy team but it is early days.

09 Aug 2016 17:52:53
Could not have said it better, with the business we have so far done we will not be a top[ six side.
Need at least one, two c/ b decent Wheater and Moore, bridcutt .
Taylor wants to go, so sell him .
We keep being linked with players that can't hold down a first team place in Championship or abroad .
At what stage will the penny drop that quality in this league will cost, support with a few loans and then adjust in January window.
QPR looked sharper and more match fit are defence was slow and again got caught wanting on set plays.

09 Aug 2016 14:03:01
Looks like Liam more is off to reading. Shame good age good player.

09 Aug 2016 12:14:05
Just reflecting on the QPR game and the way we were overrun in midfield in the first half. I know GM liked to play 4231 at Swansea and it succeeded at least for a time but we certainly looked a lot better going 442 after the break. Thinking back to our last two title winning teams, both played 442. The Revie team had an out and out winger in Eddie Gray, whereas Lorimer was more a right sided midfielder. In Wilko's team Strachan and Speed were right and left sided midfielders respectively, rather than just touchline-hugging pacy types. In the centre BremnerGiles and BattyMcAllister were the central defensivecreative pair though to be fair Bremner and Giles were largely interchangeable.

All four first choice fullbacks Reaney, Cooper, Sterland and Dorigo were comfortable on the ball and getting forward which allowed the wide midfielders to come inside and cover when the fullbacks were attacking. The four centre backs were no nonsense types who did their defensive jobs well then passed the ball quickly to a midfielder rather than just lump it up front. Lastly Jones and Chapman were good target/ hold up men (though more mobile than often given credit for) but you can't imagine either of them having anywhere near as much success without Clarke and Wallace respectively playing off them.

I suppose the point I'm making is that if you've got the right players in the right positions and they all master their own roles and understand those of their teammates, 442 seems a sensible approach as you don't get that no mans land in midfield where Leeds players fear to tread, plus your attacking options are still potent. You might say, rightly, that the current players are not at the level of those mentioned above, but in the championship neither are our opponents every week.

Based on our current squad and hoping we can get Bridcutt either permanently or on loan, you would have a back four of Coyle, Bartley, Cooper and Taylor, midfield of Sacko (winger) , Bridcutt, Vieira and Hernandez (wide midfielder) with Antonsson and Roofe up front. I still have my doubts about whether Wood will ever really make it at this level but if he does it won't be playing up front on his own so he could feature in place of Antonsson at times. This would be a team of real pace and mobility with each first choice ideally having a designated back up, Phillips for Bridcutt, Mowatt for Vieira etc to cover for injuries, loss of form and as subs.

Ultimately football is a simple game; of course you need a plan B and flexibility but I do sometimes wonder what coaches, not just ours, are thinking.

09 Aug 2016 13:48:10
Good post Mark, I also think looking at the players we have got. I'd like to see us go 442 at home with a diamond shape and a 4231 away from home, Assuming we get him Bridcutt would hold in the diamond shape with Hernandez tip of diamond and I'd go for the pace and directness of Sacko instead of Dallas and roofe out wide with Antonsson and wood up top as I said above I would use an extra CDM for the away games for added extra protection. I like roofe I think he's going to be a top player for us, he will have to learn to hold his ground in the championship as I think it surprised him how often the opposition literally barged him off the ball on Sunday, hope Coyley gets a good run in the team I'm sure he will become our regular RB, just urgently need to sign a CB Liam Moore would be great, Bridcutt and another quality Mobile Goalscorer, then I am sure we will start challenging for a top 6 spot, maybe see you in the peacock Saturday people mot 😎.

09 Aug 2016 14:56:06
Taking kids to the game so the beers will have to wait until after the match. Hopefully I'll be celebrating 3 points rather than drowning my sorrows again.

09 Aug 2016 11:28:36
The Charlie Taylor debacle needs sorting!
Quite clearly his agent and probably CT himself want out his performance says we ain't going to change things - MC is obviously angered by the situation and attitudes maybe he also partially accountable for the impasse

So either back down and sell to Burnley, WBA or whoever use the money and strengthen the defence (WHICH IS BADLY NEEDED) - OR - stand by the principle set out in that we ain't selling and stick CT in the development squad for the whole season (No loss after attitude performance on Sunday)

09 Aug 2016 09:20:41
a note to all moaning and saying how bad it is. ok noted, agree now let's move on and give everyone a chance. what makes me laugh is you condem after 90 minutes yet moan that MC sacks managers too quickly and doesn't give them a chance. look all I am saying is give Monk a chance (to the tune of John Lennon)

09 Aug 2016 09:27:20
Top post BW. I am really optimistic about this season and 90 mins (albeit bad) will not define it
Monk is a great appointment and we have a decent squad, could do with one or two more, but there is time in this window. Let's be optimistic people!

09 Aug 2016 14:21:51
I'm actually quite gland of the score and performance on Sunday. It proves clearly what we have all been saying, we need to strengthen certain areas.

If we had a couple of lucky games and come out with a 3-0 win on sunday (a freakish goalkeeper mistake, a penalty and a handball) we may have thought we are good enough as we are.

The window is still open and now we know what we need.

09 Aug 2016 08:15:00
I saw just about every game last season. Fans are saying Sunday was just as bad as last year. It wasn't - it was worse. We didn't lose many games to three. Even against Middlesborough it wasn't as bad and it took an own goal from Belusci who apparently was still sulking because of not getting his own way and a classic from Bamba. Last season there was lots of individual mistakes but there seemed the semblance of a plan (but no plan B) . It didn't always work but you could see a pattern. On Sunday I didn't know what they were trying to do or achieve and we still had individual mistakes. It was disjointed and there was no purpose to the play. That is what is worrying.