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04 Oct 2018 15:49:17
Just sat with nothing to do (deadly) and I thought I would help out Mr Bielsa by picking an alternative 11 (saves him a phone call) out of players who are not exactly regulars. Adhering to the favourite 4-1-4-1;
Blackman, Coyle-Shaugnessy-O'Connor-Pearce, Stevens, Dalby-Baker-Clark-Dallas' Edmundson.
Now don't maul my selection too much, as I said I have nothing to do, til matron brings my afternoon meds.

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04 Oct 2018 13:21:29
Dallas is doing the pre match press conference with Bielsa! Have we had a bench player doing the press before or is it a sign.

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04 Oct 2018 14:38:16
Prob going to replace Alioski.

04 Oct 2018 14:39:47
Dallas will start at left back as I assume Douglas is injured.

04 Oct 2018 15:08:01
Also, x Brentford player, I’d forgotten that bit! Interesting that he seems to prefer him to Pearce.

04 Oct 2018 15:49:41
Not really when Stuart is a full international player with more experience.

04 Oct 2018 15:59:43
Notts If Dallas does start there, isn't that a slap in the face for Pearce?

04 Oct 2018 16:35:45
Huge slap in the face George, given that Pearce signed a new contract this season but has hardly had a sniff of first team action.

04 Oct 2018 16:36:59
Full international and experienced as Left back? post Hull Bielsa said it was tough after we lost Douglas because Dallas prefers to play on the right.

04 Oct 2018 17:31:55
not sure its a slap in the face Dallas has played there and is a international and not been a bad player for leeds. for me it is the right call, although i love pearce

i wonder if he might swtich to wing backs with dallas and aling it might suit leeds well as alisiski and harrsion have been great in flahses but don't think they are undroppable.

04 Oct 2018 19:23:01
In some positions yes but for me, never play a right footer in a left back position. Always opens the door for a tackle on the wrong foot and that can be deadly, especially in the box. Play Pearce.

04 Oct 2018 20:43:55
Oooooo, Dallas and Bielsa sitting in a tree. K I S S I N G!

04 Oct 2018 22:45:17
my bad didn't realise dallas was right footed, I agree with leodis. hate right footed left backs hence my many rants on beradi and Young for england. With this in mind i'd play peace who has shown quality and potnetial.

{Ed001's Note - no chance of that happening Berm, we will never have any peace while you are around! ;-)

05 Oct 2018 11:52:18
Pearce for me. He is natural defender and can get forward and has a good shot and cross on him. Not a big fan of Dallas though so biased.

05 Oct 2018 13:41:34
I don't mind dallas but right footed defeners at left back! and what you mean Ed I thougth i was one of the more laid back chilled posters on the site?

{Ed001's Note - something like that Berm, something very like that would be exactly how I would describe you....}

05 Oct 2018 16:35:31
Dallas is 2-footed, so ok on either side, Bub sez :)

04 Oct 2018 13:48:54
Brentford will not be easy but we have the force to overcome. As soon as they are out of the way we have a rest to help bring the walking (limping) wounded back onstream. I hope Roberts injury is not serious and that he can crack in another one or two on Sat thus giving MB a poser come the Blackburn game. Even if Roberts is out I have faith in Edmundson/ Clarke to step up and do a job. They should be on fire and really keen to show the crowd just what they can do. With the way they have both been playing there is no great panic to rush Roofe back too early.

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04 Oct 2018 14:39:50
Roofe is first. Then Roberts. Roberts should be dropped as soon as roofe fit.
But if roofe doesn’t deliver.

04 Oct 2018 15:09:37
Might find some space for Roberts in the team, otherwise great bench player because he is flexible.

04 Oct 2018 17:33:09
happy to see roberts on wing, happy to see him play happy to see him bench warm and push roofe. think we have storong options.

04 Oct 2018 18:39:45
At the moment, Roberts is the man playing and scoring, personally I'm not sure that Roofe (as much as I like him) should just walk back into the team. Take Pontus for example, only got in the team because of Berardi being injured, now would you drop him when Berardi is fit again?

04 Oct 2018 20:58:35
Roofe if fit is a definite starter, he was on fire until injured!

04 Oct 2018 13:19:39
Bermondsey, make sure you are by a radio at 2pm! Southgate to announce the England squad!

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04 Oct 2018 14:40:36
I reckon Phillips will be in giving us another $10 millpounds.

04 Oct 2018 17:34:05
will do,

im on the radio myself both this sunday and next sunday, might be annoucing my KP tat if he gets the call!

04 Oct 2018 09:37:35
Roberts is the new injury worry. Not many forwards left unless Roofe makes an unexpected return.

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04 Oct 2018 10:09:21
I've mentioned how we haven't invested enough to be promotion contenders but told to stop moaning and told I'm not a supporter. But it's plain to see this squad is light. Now some say bielsa knows is happy. I think he is underestimating how tough this league is. Has he any experience of managing a team that will 70 plus games a season.

04 Oct 2018 10:26:26
I agree wex, Mb is class but also flawed, he is known for working players hard that leads to burn out/ injuries and he is stubborn. I think he underestimated this league and english football, klopp and pep are both amazing managers but also admitted they did the same and it took them a while to get to grips with it, others such as Bale said how easy Spain is to England so there is reasonable suggestion to say this might of been possible.

not slating the manager I am so pleased he is at leeds but at same time no one is perfect and injuires already hitting us hard and not even at xmams yet!

04 Oct 2018 10:42:13
Wex, it’s an obvious criticism of his approach, using a limited pool of players and his background, never managed in the championship. Also we obviously haven’t spent as much as others.

The difference is Bielsa and I guess we are going to have to wait and see, in the Jan window and beyond to see if he is right or wrong.

My concern is that if you keep on buying new players, what do you do with them or the players they displace who need the opportunity. This year without injuries, Roberts wouldn’t have got a chance, nor Harrison, nor Shackleton, nor Pearce nor Edmondson.

At the moment, clearly you’re not right, because we are promotion contenders with almost a quarter of the season gone. I guess you believe that it won’t last and we will fall away, I guess no one really knows yet.

Bielsa clearly isn’t stupid, he watched all of the Championship games from last season, he has Carlos Corberan, who has experienced a full season at Leeds and he has his own experience with us now. If he has misjudged things, I’m sure he would want to correct that and make some changes in Jan. From what everyone is saying, he hates to lose, so I’m sure he will respond if that happens.

At the moment we are out performing teams that have spent more and teams that have parachute payments. I don’t think anyone at the club is not going to want that to continue.

I hope you are wrong and I would imagine as a Leeds supporter, so do you.

04 Oct 2018 10:55:09
I think any manager will have his flaws just like us! I can think of a few stubborn posters on here! Our strengths are usually also our potential weaknesses and that will be the same with him as it is with anyone.

The plain fact is that no one will really know until the season progresses and then ends. We can all have our views but let’s see and enjoy it.

His master plan could have failed already but it hasn’t almost a quarter of the season in. Let’s keep judging it as we move through the season. You could argue that the more experience he gets of English football the more dangerous he will become. I would imagine he is watching a lot of football, noting players in other teams and divisions, developing his contacts in English football.

Please give him time and a bit of credit for what he has been able to do with the team at his disposal so far!

04 Oct 2018 11:25:57
I can see why Bielsa prefers to work with a smaller squad as it keeps competition for places high and therefore keeps the players sharp. Unfortunately a small squad is only good when you don't have injuries. It was naive to run with such few numbers as a number of our squad have a history of being injury prone without throwing Bielsa's high press tactic into account. Roofe has not had a season where he has not been injured and has started this season with strapping on his hamstring. Forshaw has spent more time in the physio's room than on the pitch. Cooper and Jansson are prone to injury and we recruited Brown who is coming back from a serious injury. Also throw Bamford into the mix whose injury was just bad luck. I think we gambled with the size of the squad and hope we can get players back without damage to our results. We appear to be doing ok so far but that could turn as fatigue will start to set in without squad rotation.

04 Oct 2018 11:58:51
Wex The squad is not light at all. It's actually perfectly balanced. Regarding defence virtually everyone moaned at start of season with varying degrees of clamour to get in an extra central defender including me but in my defence I wasn't particularly critical trusting the Swiss Army Knife to produce good things. No-one can moan about our midfield which is skillful and abundant. Striker department slight issue you're a little correct Wex but buying not the answer. Edmondson and Wilks must be given encouragement to make the grade and not have too many hurdles in the way. That said, I'd love Maupay from Brentford. Wex, Roberts is injury prone. He's still developing. Finished article strikers cost big money. Abel wanted £5m per year. Vydra wanted a few bob too. Reality is we are a club whose been through 2 administrations in last 15 years, only just bought back the ground. Patience a virtue. Your lack of trust and appreciation for Radz disconcerting demonstrated by your icon pic of a very poor former owner. We are top of the league Wex and come January I'm sure we'll twist, not stick. Personally, I'm delighted by our progress and the foundations we've laid for our imminent PL future where we will soon go to Old Trafford and beat them and they'll enjoy it!

04 Oct 2018 12:24:04
Cannot agree with the small squad theory. You may point to the first team bodies and the number of injuries but we have performed well throughout the injury spell and I believe we have more than capable replacements in every position.
Apart from the scarey financial outlay there is the even more challenging problem of keeping everyone happy when you have a fully fit squad. We have seen from across the Pennines that it only takes one ore two malcontents to infect a whole squad. At the moment we are proving that the "reserves" are more than capable of filling shoes with more good names than slots in every department on the pitch. At the moment we have a squad of 32 and 18 out on loan, (4 or 5 of those will come back better stronger players) . So what we have on the payroll now and the big man at the helm should be enough to see us through to the promised land.

04 Oct 2018 12:38:59
Really good debate on this thread. Well said Georgie and Leodis. Notts, injuries are factored into Bielsas plan but the number 4 beginning to look a bit light. But as A few of us are repeating, you will never find out about the fringe players unless you give them a chance and those chances come with injuries.

I’m also really sure that Bielsa and the club are looking to see which one or 2 players could make a difference in Jan and if it’s only one or two, then we can do it. But again, the right kind of players who really fit in.

As you know, Eddie Gray is my guru on all things Leeds and he says, you only feel tired when you are losing, when you are winning and doing well, everyone wants to get out there on the pitch every time.

04 Oct 2018 13:18:54
Roberts in Wales squad, so if he has got an injury, he hasn’t told them yet. 2 other players have already pulled out of the squad with injury. All this success is good but too many international call ups! Mind you the players might find it more relaxing to be on international duty than doing Camp Bielsa!

04 Oct 2018 14:43:35
Spanish, Bielsa may have factored 4 injuries but I bet that he did not factor on two of them being his starting strikers.

04 Oct 2018 14:50:30
George says perfectly balanced with abundance of talent and then says who he fancies buying and you agree with him Spanish!
Am I missing something here?
It’s either perfectly balanced or not and you either think it is or don’t.
Spanish George begining to confuse me!
I don’t think injuries are a good thing either cause since injuries we have been below par so whoever is on the bench. ( when and if they are used ) are not worthy replacement for the injured.
Let’s hope poster below that says Bielsa allows sufficient recovery time, is right. Because second string are not good enough.

04 Oct 2018 15:18:59
Who is Spanish George? Sorry to confuse you Auz, must either be up to late, too early or had too many fosters. I like the way the squad is balanced, any additions should be the right type of player at the right price who fits in with Bielsas plans. Jan gives him a chance to review the situation based on his experience and the level of injuries and see if anything available fits that criteria. If it improves the balance of the squad even more than great. Not sure I agree with you about the quality of replacements, Roberts, Harrison, Shackleton, Forshaw, Dallas, I could go on.

The flip side of the injuries situation, is that it is making us rest key players and utilise the squad. So in theory, when those players get back to match fitness, they will be less knackered than the others. Here’s hoping Auz.

04 Oct 2018 15:23:17
Ausman With a purchase frequently results in a sale or offload. Balance remains. Talking of offloads, and what you're missing. Same thing. Mercilessly deprived.

04 Oct 2018 17:48:33
good debate, guess it is all hindsight and we will only know if we go up or not.

I think we have a better squad than I thought, I wanted a defender but seems we have great options in under 23s and I always had faith in roberts.

if roberts is out then this is a crisis and bad luck, not the amount of injuries but to get so many in one area is just bad luck and you can not account for that

All i do worry about is burn out but this worry is not justified and only in may will i know if i was right to worry or just being an old moaner as per usual.

04 Oct 2018 09:09:12
Going rates
Milner got to be worth $20 mill
Phillips at least $15 mill
And roofe $18 mill
All rumoured to be poss jan transfers.

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04 Oct 2018 09:33:10
Actually. Add $10 mill onto Phillips if England rumours I correct.

04 Oct 2018 10:29:39
love roofe but if Wood was 15 I can see roofe being more than 7.5m (and I wouldn't sell him for that) Milner is quality but priceless to liverpool at the moment and too old to be paying 20 mill for. as for KP. no comment but if we get 25 million for KP I will personally drive up to leeds, show him my KP tattoo, propose and kiss the fella. kiss him all over, I would worry he might run away from me but pretty sure I will catch him, when there is a will there is a way.

04 Oct 2018 12:01:57
An almost mid 30s soon to be out of contract Milner desirous of a romantic return home will go for no more than £5m.

04 Oct 2018 12:20:38
As soon as Liverpool let clubs know Milner is available. There will about 10 prem teams after him and unless we are in prem he will go to one of those for more than $5 mill.
As much as he loves us. Unless we in prem. He won’t come to us. Why should he.

04 Oct 2018 12:21:44
Roofe is worth more than woods. Far better equipped to survive in prem. As one off season wood proves.

04 Oct 2018 12:24:48
Aus, I don’t believe it! At 9.33 am, you posted that Phillips was worth 25 million dollars, over an hour has elapsed and Bermondsey hasn’t responded! He must be writing a play or checking out local tattoo shops so he can honour his pledge when KP gets transferred!

04 Oct 2018 12:39:55
Bermondsey, quite funny that, you beat my forecast by a minute!

04 Oct 2018 14:16:43
Aus You are so mercilessly deprived of the ravages of football intellect. Such a transfer I moot is being worked on because all parties want it. After what Milner has done for them Scousers they're going to do him a favour not hawk him out for the extra few million. Chump change for moneybags Liverpool.

{Ed001's Note - and how will Leeds pay his 150k a week wages?}

04 Oct 2018 12:44:15
Never sure about players coming back to the club but Milner is probably the exception. Think Bielsa would like him and that he would fit. Model player . I think George May be right again, I think he’s the kind of guy who would put playing for Leeds again over earning final bigger bucks somewhere else. We shall see.

04 Oct 2018 14:02:46
My $ are £. Just too lazy to look for £ sign.

04 Oct 2018 14:52:41
Spanish George strikes again.
Thanks Ed.
They are deluded.

{Ed001's Note - I would not be surprised if Millie went back but in time but not as things stand now.}

04 Oct 2018 15:28:57
Ed001 How will Milner acquire his 150k weekly salary when his contract runs out? I think he's being told thank you for your excellent service, time to go back home. I'm not saying he's rubbish. I think he's terrific but it seems to me his time there is up yet on an amicable basis. Liverpool probably have a younger cheaper replacement in mind.

{Ed001's Note - he has a contract offer from Liverpool on the table if he wants to stay.}

04 Oct 2018 17:52:10
yes spanish my work at the moment is affect my KP resposne time but I did get there!

got a lovley tatt planned of me and KP runing off into the sunset, well i say runing but it is me and KP so brisk walk is more likeley

also got to call you out. not sure about players returning to the club JOHN LUKIC. SIR JOHN LUKIC. my love for lukic outwigths the love for my children and even my dislike for KP. only just mind!

04 Oct 2018 15:37:25
Ed001 Wasn't aware. Thought they weren't renewing. Maybe it's not about the money for him then again he is a footballer.

{Ed001's Note - it is not about the money entirely, he could have earnt a lot more by staying at City, however he is currently the best midfielder in the season in a team joint top of the league, would you move in January? Unless he loses his place, which is unlikely as he is the first name on the team sheet at the moment, I would not be surprised if he considered his options in the summer though. He has said he would like to go back to Leeds.}

04 Oct 2018 19:17:08
Milner been amazing for liverpool doubt he would want to leabe a good thing as they are serious contenders and doubt they will let a important player in form go. maybe end of next season not before.

04 Oct 2018 08:31:32
Although our high tempo pressing game has produced some great performances this season it's worrying that we are seeing more than our fair share of injuries to our more attack minded, flair players.

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04 Oct 2018 09:08:39
I was watching the under 23s when Bamford was injured, just a normal forwards challenge going for the ball in the box. Imagine it could have happened any time and for any club. Hernadez’s Injury was a bit more mysterious because most of us didn’t realise he was injured. Roofe, again just a strikers injury no?

What is clear is that we don’t rush people back, medical treatment, recovery, resumption of training and rebuilding match fitness to Bielsa standard.

He said right from the start that he always planned for 4 out injured, but perhaps with the championship a reasonable figure is more 6 to 8 and that would have a knock on effect on his first team planning.

04 Oct 2018 10:31:03
I think it must just be a knock and bad luck as tempo was tame against hull, we won without getting out of second gear which is great, so the injury supised me a little.

04 Oct 2018 06:00:29
Footballing gods may be on our side as Dean Smith the Brentford manager favourite for villa job. Might prove unsettling for the bees.

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04 Oct 2018 07:09:28
Let’s hope so.
I’ve got a good feeling about the Brentford game.
If they come to play and we on our game. We should pull through ok.

04 Oct 2018 07:48:24
somepme said something simialr on FB, mentioned a team like bentfrod away might suit us better, i can certainly see logic to this.

04 Oct 2018 09:12:47
I think we are due a good performance and one where we take our chances. Let’s hope this is the mullering that shef should have been.

03 Oct 2018 23:58:21
Top still but so tight up there. Seems like every game is another massive game and another tough team, this league is hard.
Be great to get Pablo and roofe back, we have missed his creativity and still need striker options.
Think defense looking fantastic, Pontus back to his best and coops also impressive.
Sounds like other posters on here rate this Halme, so maybe don't need foyth?
I thought we were 4 players short but think now only a couple, still feel a forward and a winger. Sorry but alioski has to be rested when Pablo returns. I also see that Phil Foden isn't playing many minutes in city team and they have K de B and mendy to come back in. Think he would be a great loan to buy in Jan or even Maddison?

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04 Oct 2018 07:50:22
foden would be great but if city let him go think it would be to prem team, and by maddison do you mean from lesciter? he is there top player, i can't see them letting him go for less than 50m and it would ruin my fantasy football team.

04 Oct 2018 10:38:31
Maddison of Peterborough.

03 Oct 2018 22:41:15
Sheffield United. won one more than anyone in the division, lost three times what we have. Whatever Cherubs, we are top the league, I say we are top the league! Figures too small to be statistically significant, but who cares? If we were in 5th I wouldn't be displeased so why fret too much when we are Kings of the Castle? MOT.

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04 Oct 2018 00:08:02
It’s pleasing to me that there is a decent gap after 5th too.
Gives us a bit of breathing space.
Will be interesting this little tussle at the top.
Game is on live Saturday so come on boys. Let’s drop Brentford.


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