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12 Nov 2018 09:48:26
Hard to look too much in to the defeat.

BPF should have kept the first two out, although Jansson didn't do enough either for the first.

The third was a ricochet which happened to fall nicely to one of the best players in the league.

Then again with the fourth a ricochet and BPF caught out of position.

As a whole we never get the rub of the green and Saturday was a prime example. Unfortunately for Leeds United, if they don't play well we pay the price for it. Unlike teams like Boro who pull a result out of their ***.

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12 Nov 2018 13:35:15
It was bound to happen. We have been beaten by Birmingham, Blackburn and now West brom. We could have dropped points at Wigan (but for a mammoth goal keeping error-lots of possession no real chances other than the first goal) , We could/ should have lost against Forest, We could have lost against Wedneday. The list goes on. Bielsa is doing a good job with average players. Its not that much different from Christianson. Same continuum just further along the line to the good. There is only so much you can do without the players.

12 Nov 2018 14:05:48
yeah I agree with Hess we have had more than our fair share of rub of the green this season, as hess said forest goal, wigan mistake plus thorw in millwall hitting post in final minute when he should of scored. plus rub of the green in playign stoke and derby and norwich before they had time to settle.

I have said a few times I think we have flattered to decieve and may be right, that said we have only lost one game against a good team in this mental league so maybe i am jumping the gun.

agian agreeing with Hess mb is a very good manager but can't work miricles. i like coops but is he good enough to get out of this devision. maybe not, same With BPF I like him but too many mistakes will costs us, then alikso being inconsistant and our best player saiz being out of form, then throw in players like dallas getting game time and it is worrying, again I know i will get jumped on but I would also throw KP in that mix, great against wigan and rotherham one of the best in league but as soon as we play the better teams he will always be found wanting and with coops KP and BFP are the spine of our team and vital to every game. I have said from 1st game i can not see them doing well in the playoffs against the likes of Swans or west brom.

but then i am negitive and always worry, we are still in the mix and this year if any maybe anyone can do it so why not us. maybe rads will put hand in pocket and get a keeper (as MB don't rate jamal) a center back and CM who can play in physical and quick games

even the playoffs is a big improvement from last season and impvorement how ever little every year is enough for me MOT.

12 Nov 2018 23:23:38
So what I’m hearing from some posters is, we were lucky when we played this team and that team, we played a few teams before they had settled! So we settled early and now just getting lucky? Without watching these other unlucky and unsettled teams regularly I cannot comment . I suppose we’ll see them storm the table, Derby became a little unsettled again at home to Villa! . But I hope the luck continues and some of the unsettled teams become unsettled again! That way way we might luckily make the top six! MOT.

13 Nov 2018 08:36:59
well yeah kinda rag,

the original post says we never get the rub of the green where truth is we have had a lot of luck (all sitiuations mentioned above) we hit the ground running due to manager and hard work so cuaght stoke and derby and norwich off guard. again we have played well but have also falltered to decieve

since then we have had some bad luck but also shown our true limit which for me is between 5th-8th in the table. we have shown more fight this year and bit more class but also shown our weakness. MB is not a god and can't turn a team 14th into top four with pretty much same team. outside of douglas (and bamford but he is out) have we improved the team? then add to that our best player saiz has been out of form.

there are positives but many have had us as best team in league or champs which is great and lovely to have that positivity but for me sadly this was never the case. I would be delighted with playoffs.

12 Nov 2018 07:28:57
Come on guys we are not doomed yet. Baggies are the best team in this league in my opinion and the only difference between them and us is they finish their chances, Just wish we had signed Gayle or Barnes instead of messing about with Vydra and Abel. Six points from next two games will do. Admit we need a couple of players in Jan. Dallas and Alioski not doing the business but we only have 17 and 18 year olds to replace them and Clarke is good enough but can we throw him in for the next 30 games over winter, not really fair on the lad but he needs using if only to give Alioski a kick up ass. Stats show Baggies with 20 shots and 4 goals and us with 16 and 1, that's the big let down for us at the minute and once that is sorted we will fly. Blackman needs a run in team as well BPF lettting himself down with some weak goalkeeping. We are still third and in touch and this league changes so quickly, who would have give Norwich a shout 5 games ago. Onwards and upwards.

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12 Nov 2018 09:59:04
They were the best I’ve seen I reckon.
There were far too many stray passes and being caught on the ball from us though.
Our finishing is woeful. We create lots of chance and play attractive football at times but just can’t finish.
We need that sorted. Not sure if def or attack is more urgent. I can’t really name one player that played really well. We pass to much in defence. I agree we should build from the back but passing too much can put more pressure on.
Think if we don’t buy we will struggle for top 6.

12 Nov 2018 20:29:14
Aussie your third and fourth lines says it all for Saturday. We are usually crisp and precise at both so let's just say "poor day at the office" however we need to get some shooting practice in. My second team is Arsenal and if we are not carefull we could be accused of wanting to walk it in, like the Arsenal of old. Sometimes you think, for Gods sake just shoot! Maybe, if Roofe becomes a "Sniffer" he could grab a few more tap ins by poaching around the 12 yard box.

13 Nov 2018 11:13:23
We had a bad day at the office against West Brom, we were top of the league down to third . I can’t see a problem . No team will run away with this league, from what has been played out so far . I reckon if you ask asupporters of any team in the top 12 on the league they’ll say the same thing . In my opinion we are a far better side th n last year, maybe mainly same group, but a better manager by far . The hen we slipped up in games last season manager panicked, for whatever reason . Bielsa is consistent and always analysiing the situ, in order to come up with a solution . I’m enjoying the ride.

11 Nov 2018 19:49:14
Remember these words. Leeds United will win the championship.
I've seen nothing from any other team to believe otherwise. A bad day yesterday but these things happen.

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11 Nov 2018 20:25:46
Not with BPF in goal we won't.

11 Nov 2018 21:06:01
Love your post Corkie, brought a smile to my face after reading about all the doom and gloom. Good on you!

11 Nov 2018 21:13:34
I agree Corkie, and so do the bookies, we're still 7/2 favourites to win the league.

11 Nov 2018 21:49:44
We can dream all we like, and yes we are in the mix, but the current squad isn't quite good enough so additions have to be made in January, if we do this then we are in with a chance.

12 Nov 2018 14:06:31
I’m with Corkie

Dare to dream boys

There’s a unity in the team I’ve not seen in nearly 20 years

Best way to deal with a defeat like that one is to forget it and win the next game.

12 Nov 2018 20:30:31
Study it. Learn from it. Put it away. Move on.

11 Nov 2018 19:18:28
If we are consolidating on a top six finish (even that is debatable to some people) then, altho there are calls for changes already the thing to remember is that the team to get playoff promotion is the the one that clicks in March, gains momentum in April and is charging in May. That could be/ should be US. So panic not people.

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11 Nov 2018 19:52:40
Leodis top 6 is second prize.

12 Nov 2018 11:59:28
Not if your number one or two in the six wex.

11 Nov 2018 16:01:31
So we batter Derby 4-1,
Derby batter Brom 4-1,
Brom batter us 4-1.
This league is simply nuts!
That is all.

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11 Nov 2018 16:44:30
I like your style Bright. Short n sweet n accurate.

11 Nov 2018 17:16:06
Like boxing, styles make matches. For me, we are serious playoff contenders and nothing more unless Radz spends nicely in January. Even acquiring just Gomez would see us challenge for the title.

11 Nov 2018 17:21:56
'Brom' were missing top quality players when they were beaten. We beat Derby before they sorted themselves out. We won with a style no one was really expecting. They are now.

11 Nov 2018 20:02:34
Always always pessimistic Hess.
We got done yesterday but it happens.
We got well done by City when we came up as champions from the same league last time.

Ok I’d like a RB CB left sided midfielder and another striker but I’m pretty sure every teams fans would say similar.
I really believe barring a decimation of injuries we won’t be far away. In fact I still fancy us to win it.

11 Nov 2018 21:16:45
Not pessimistic just realistic. I've never believed in blind optimism it gets you into all sorts of trouble. When I see something promising I say so. Unfortunately for the past thirteen years realistically we've had no chance of doing too in the top two divisions. At least now I can say top ten in the championship - yes, top six possible. That's realistic and optimistic. Winning promotion without any changes - well that's a bridge too far.

11 Nov 2018 21:23:06
Even with quality you can always get done over as you say - once or twice maybe three times. Problem is we don't have enough quality and that's why we got turned over yesterday and beaten by Birmingham and Blackburn and got draws where we easily have lost. Leaky defence and not enough going for us in the final third. That's the reality. Optimism and pessimism doesn't come into it.

12 Nov 2018 14:08:17
derby was very early in the season I said at time that is a false result. that said this league is mental.

11 Nov 2018 15:40:31
Having read through many postings on here regarding yesterday's debacle, I have been impressed by the balance and incision of many of the comments. Whilst we may be armchair managers, there has been much sense talked, in my opinion at least. I suspect that whoever said that we need the likes of Gayle and Gomez is right on the button, as are those who think that BPF is "goodish" and those who suggest that Roofe and Roberts are again, good rather than great. At the end of the day, we have commented regularly about our weaknesses with finishing and to my mind the stats support our thoughts. It is simply not normal or acceptable for a team to frequently have over 70% of possession and not win and even lose in the way we did yesterday. We are wasteful up front. If Roofe thinks that we cannot afford to offer what he wants, he needs to remeber whilst couching his demands, that he was no Woods last season and his last two out of seven this season were a tap in and a hand ball. Bielsa needs to reflect on his thoughts regarding not needing much adjustment to the squad in January. I am hoping for much from Izzy, but it is incresingly apparent / blatant that we need more depth and possibly quality. I think one or two of them are expecting contracts that should be based on a couple of seasons' top drawer performances, on the strength of punching above their weight for half a season. During the break, the manager and the team need to take a step back and do a spot of introspection, hopefully providing the dose of realism that thwy may need. Chunter over.

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11 Nov 2018 16:09:28
Ok. need better experienced players, not having to rely on youngsters just out of the U18s and U21s, who no doubt want to work hard and impress, but this is where the big boys play!
It's a serious business with one goal for the money-men. make more money! Speculate to accumulate. Do it soon or stay in the Championship!

11 Nov 2018 12:51:52
misssed the game as in the theatre but just watched back.

firstly how great are our fans, real credit to the club, secondly we love our club regardless I'd rather lose as leeds than win as anyone else. I am one of the most negitive on here. I don't think we are good enough but don't care we all love leeds if we are champs or relegated.

also big thanks to this site, last night met up with alf who come to see the show and then had a beer with us after. Great for people like me to get a chance to meet with leeds fans and be part of the club as outside of the city

thoughts on game as sadly same as i have thought since day one, we are great against lesser teams and show our class but against the better teams our weak spine will cost us.

I have supported BPF but he has to be dropped now, too many mistakes not to give other lad a chance.

dallas not good enough, cooper can be good but a liablity, can pablo and roofe influence against better teams? KP great against poor teams not good enough against better teams

I think we will make play offs then our lack of quality will show (unless we buy well in jan) this said we did get beat by the team for me who will be champions so its not the end of the world

beating wigan don't make us world beaters losing to brom (best team in league Imo) don't mate us S~~t

either way will still MOT.

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11 Nov 2018 13:56:53
Agree bw. Sensible post.
U must be sober.

11 Nov 2018 16:10:33

12 Nov 2018 14:09:55
no i was drunk i normally post sober. that must be the problem, like dancing i post better when drunk. maybe i should try drink driving as when i am sober i ant too good at that either.

11 Nov 2018 12:28:51
In answer to a question -In relative terms, and as the season progresses, Middlesborough, West Brom, Sheffield Utd, Aston Villa, Birmingham, Swansea, Norwich and possibly Stoke all have quality to match ours and will be tough. We need a striker like Gayle, a winger like Ibai Gomez, and much better than Cooper, Dallas, Alioski and Peacock Farrell if we are going to go the distance. I think we are definitely top ten and possibly, with luck, top six but not promotion. We need players coming in with Quality. Bamford and Brown have a lot to prove and I wouldn't bet on them. Ayling and Beradi will help but they haven't been at their best. Bielsa is going to have to earn his money. Players not systems ultimately win in the long run. Systems get found out.

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11 Nov 2018 12:52:33
Good post Hess, got to agree mate. I am happy Bielsa has got us into this position but do feel we are no better than the teams you mentioned. It's a long tough season and we are already struggling with injuries, we just don't have strength in depth.

11 Nov 2018 13:31:42
Agreed Hess, as I have said before, the starting X1 apart from Douglas we're all there last season, so the Manager has done brilliant, but a bit more quality is a must for me if we are going to be thereabouts.

11 Nov 2018 13:59:28
100% right. no strength in depth. exactly what I've said since the start of the season.
Have a look at the bench from yesterday. and we fell apart!
This is not about blooding youngsters. it's about players who have experience and "done it ". How many players on the team let alone the bench have won anything?
We need 5 experienced guys in or watch the slide down the table over winter.
Bielsa is a brill coach, period! Look what he's working with from last year and the couple of players who have made a difference.
By the way, NONE of us on this forum have any say what goes on. I never see the likes of Radz or Orta on here.

11 Nov 2018 14:23:40
Bloody hell, we're 3rd in the league, 3 points off top, we've lost just 3 games and anyone looking in on this board would think that we're bottom of the league. 2 very winnable games coming up at ER with most of the rest having 2 games away. Bring on the champions ALAW?

11 Nov 2018 14:28:17
That's where we were last season before the wheels fell off. If it happens again it will be for the same reason. We will have been found out.

11 Nov 2018 16:16:27
Exactly hessian1.

When a wheel starts to wobble you can ignore it, think about it and hope, stop, give it a quick glance and fool yourself it'll be all right or do something sensible about it.

I pray we don't do the first 3.

The season has two thirds still to go and others are looking stronger that us.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

11 Nov 2018 12:05:12
When we play well we accept we played well, I think guys this was a simple case of them playing well and accept it. Their front 3 are the best in the champ and they were on fire, Cooper was definitely out of his depth, Dallas huffed and puffed, BPF 2 errors for me, Alioski not good enough at getting the ball in the box. But ultimately they played very well, we regroup and move on.

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11 Nov 2018 12:44:18
Totally agree Dougie. We have time to evaluate and move forward now. Still 3rd, still in the fight.

11 Nov 2018 14:33:12
They played well because they have quality. We do not. We have a system, energy and some good movement. We don't convert possession into chances enough. We needed a goal keeping error to beat Wigan. A rare strike from Roberts to get a point at Sheffield and a hand ball from Roofe to get a point against Forest. We play entertaining football but the system needs better players or we stagnate.

11 Nov 2018 16:18:00
Been saying that from the start of the season. Bielsa is brill but hope only goes so far.
Heads out of your assesses the hopers!

11 Nov 2018 10:31:33
Just seen the game.
They were the better team but not 4-1 better.
Things I noticed.
Goalkeeper needs dropping.
Too many passes without a reason and end result.
Gave ball away too often.
Not enough quality. Will need minimum $5mill defender and $10m striker in jan.
our finishing is woeful.
Bielsa needs telling that we need more players. His a manager. Not the owner. Tell him.

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11 Nov 2018 11:24:31
January will be crucial, yes we will hopefully have some injured players back, but I agree, quality additions are vital.

11 Nov 2018 11:39:31
I thought they were 4-1 better, more quality and a better game plan. But not sure how many other teams on the league can do that to us. We could have minimized the defeat but just not the Bielsa way.

If we get up this year, it’s going to be about maximizing the talent we have through teamwork, motivation and clever use of the squad. We will get 1/ 2 new players in Jan, if the right ones are available, if not it will be this squad and the Jan returners.

If we do get up or even if we don’t it’s the summer window that is going to determine our future for the next few years, together with how many of the under 23s can really make it. You don’t turn last years squad into one that can survive in the premiership

I hope that Bielsa stays with the project, it’s exciting and he is genuinely learning about what works and what doesn’t in English championship football.

At the end of the year, it won’t be the West Brom away defeat that stops us getting promoted it’ll be the Birmingham, Blackburn type defeats and not finding a way to turn draws into a 1 goal win.

11 Nov 2018 12:11:29
We didn't create much during the first half even though we had the greater amount of possession. They looked stronger and more dangerous than us and we hardly troubled their keeper. Both Harvey Barnes and Matt Philips looked threatening and both scored. Listening to some of their fans at half time they were moaning that Leeds had weathered the storm and expected us to push on during the second half, even heard several of them shagging their own manager saying he wasn't a proper manager and had probably taken their teams far as he could. Reminded me of how fickle we are as fans because he was a hero at the end of the match. Do have to say that against WBA we did look a small team that could do with some height.

11 Nov 2018 12:20:22
totally agree Spanish, imo you're up there with Notts in your reading of situations and common sense posts MOT.

11 Nov 2018 12:36:49
Slagging their manager, don't get excited boys!

11 Nov 2018 13:33:45
I was going to say, shagging him is going to far!

11 Nov 2018 13:34:29
Three of their goals were lucky rebounds or fouls or goalie errors.
They were better. But not 4-1 better.
They played their cup final well.
We were prob too pigheaded and expected to win.
We lost it. They didn’t thrash us.
I know it’s all part of a game but
Refer to my prev post about goalkeeper and passing and finishing.

11 Nov 2018 14:03:00
No strength in depth. exactly what I've said since the start of the season.
Have a look at the bench from yesterday. and we fell apart!
This is not about blooding youngsters. It's about players who have experience and "done it ". How many players on the team let alone the bench have won anything?
We need 5 experienced guys in or watch the slide down the table over winter.
Bielsa is a brill coach, period! Look what he's working with from last year and the couple of players who have made a difference.
By the way, NONE of us on this forum have any say what goes on. I never see the likes of Radz or Orta on here.


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