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14 Jul 2014 15:51:45
So MC has stated that he is not going to use the money from the sale of Ross to bolster the tranfer kitty. He is planning to use the money to purchase Elland Road. That's a Ken Bates move!
All that means is that he has used the sale of our best player to fund the transfer of a major asset (the Stadium) into the ownership of Massimo Cellino - not into the ownership of Leeds Utd. There is a subtle but very important difference.
Not saying this will happen but, in theory MC could sell LUFC at some point in the future but retain ownership of the stadium, thus placing LUFC back in the situation of not owning the ground (unlikely, but possible).
The McCormack money should have ben invested in the first team squad 100%.
1.) Nowhere does it say that MC will purchase ER and put it into his name. True it doesn't say he will put it in LUFC name either but your just yet another doom merchant.
2.) 14 Jul 2014 16:20:04
I can't see the problem with this at all. We need to own our own ground if we want to get back to being in a position of promotion and to be successful. Ken wouldn't of used Ross money to buy ground. it would of been in an off shore account in his name a long time ago.
If we get this lad from AC Milan on loan you never know he could bag 20+ goals this season so would technically replace Ross (plus I think Matt Smith will improve on last year with goals scored)
If we get 2 strikers who bag 20 plus each why do we need a big name striker in??
3.) 14 Jul 2014 16:21:43
Christ, give it a rest, sick of all the doom and gloom.
He has already put more into the club than the ground will cost him. paying off debts etc.
So when he has bought the ground back and hopefully bought out GFH etc, YOU believe that he will act in a totally different manner than virtually every other club in the league.
If the guys that own Man U sell the club do you think that they will retain old trafford and charge a rent. Would the owners of Liverpool, Arsenal, tottenham?
Would that russian down at Chelski?
Of course not, really I despair.
By buying Elland road he saves about £2 million a year in rent, I think this is a good thing and shows that he is not a stupid man.
Of course there is the added bonus for him that owning the ground makes LUFC a more attractive prospect. If (and I mean if) he decides sometime in the future to sell. And that could get him some of his money back.
I wish some folks on here would not always see something evil in everything that happens. He has done more for our club in the last few months than the previous 4 owners did
Give the guy a chance.
MOT
4.) 14 Jul 2014 16:22:09
Where has MC stated he is buying the stadium personally? I believe he will cause the stadium to be owned by the company.
5.) You are just being completely negative and have no knowledge of basic company law. The proceeds belong to Lufc from Ross' sale. If these are then used to buy ER then the ground again belongs to Lufc, not to MC personally.
6.) 14 Jul 2014 16:29:01
He has already stated that money is available for transfers, has he not? So this money from RM will help buy back the stadium. He says he will buy it back, people moan, if he didn't buy it back, people would moan. At least he is being proactive and investing in the team, buying the stadium and paying off debts. Give the bloke a chance
7.) 14 Jul 2014 17:03:57
Would have thought the buy back clause relates to the club. To stop just anybody buying it. As for the 11m I don't think mc is sticking to a certain budget. Apart from wages. What we got 3 weeks to go I'd expect more signings.
8.) No I don't think Bate's would or ever did really say anything when selling on players .
M C paid players wages b4 owning the club paid Mr Flowers loan paid tax bill then paid Haigh , sorry but this is not someone stripping the club like Bates!
Yes he has made changes cut staff, but he knows if you put the money where it is needed first, then have extras when you can afford them .
9.) Yes there is a lot of doom and gloom merchants but there's also a lot of happy clappers that have developed around ER in recent seasons and there's quite a few on here, give me the ER of the 70s, 80s, and 90s, no one fears ER anymore it's just another nice friendly away ground, the kop is like Henman hill at least the SS are trying to keep up some atmosphere. We all turn up wanting our team to win whether your passionate or a happy clapper.
Leeds United Forever.
10.) 14 Jul 2014 17:59:16
Take a look at Coventry!
They like Leeds sold their stadium when in financial trouble and then like Leeds rented it back at ever increasing rates. Now they can't afford these rates, they have to ground share with Northampton Town
The stadium will be an asset to MC or LUFC but it will also save the club millions in rent over the coming years
11.) Great move let's get rid of paying huge amount of cash to rent the ground when money saved can go on players so the 1st post stop talking rubbish
12.) Or he could say that he has 11m to spend.
13.) "All that means is that he has used the sale of our best player to fund the transfer of a major asset (the Stadium) into the ownership of Massimo Cellino - not into the ownership of Leeds Utd. There is a subtle but very important difference."
So what's he going to do with it, knock it down and build a housing estate? It's HIS club, and even if he put it in the name of Leeds United it would therefore STILL belong to HIM!
Go and moan about something else.
14.) How would the money from Ross's sale (LUFC asset) be used to personally fund the purchase of the stadium? he would have to use his own money for it to be his property, seems to be a hole in your theory.
15.) Damn you Cellino, for buying our club, clearning it's debt, getting above the odds for our captain and striker, letting all the deadwood go, planning to get us back into the Premiership, reducing our overheads, bringing in new promising talent, giving a load of our youth players their first contracts, working our players hard, instilling togetherness and a team spirit at our club, threatening to buy back our stadium.
Yes.
Damn you to hell.
16.) Hope he does buy Elland Road back he does have a transfer kitty which didn't include Ross we need to get the clubs foundations right then build up were getting there but do not need to spend stupidly for once leeds are making football headlines for the right things trut the bloke. Also the South Stand is now better than the kop better atmosphere never thought I would say that.
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20 Oct 2015 14:05:32
OK, somebody is going to say it, so it might as well be me.
RED BULL.
There, I said it.
14 May 2015 17:34:27
I've just read the transcript of Cellinos press conference - what a straight lunatic he is. Seriously, he makes no sense and forgets what he's promised in earlier interviews. Adam Pearson must be thinking WTF have I let myself in for!
1.) 14 May 2015 18:22:14
I believe someone in his circle has told Cellino that he is a lunatic and best to hire a sensible businessman who knows what he's doing in order to balance out his ridiculousness. Hence Pearson. Wouldn't surprise me at all if next season we are relegated.
2.) 14 May 2015 21:38:34
What u say we are getting relegated based on a press conference? Really?
I don't think so, MC is mad but English is not his first Lang so he prob doesn't know what he is axing half the time.
So let's see what happens in per season before all the doom merchants start coming out
3.) 15 May 2015 00:18:34
DG, yes based on that PR. It is very worrying. The world saw that. Our players saw that. So did their agents. Think about it.
30 Dec 2014 12:17:47
Changng the manager again would not be the answer, in fact it wuld be counter-productive We need better players. Sadly the two people in charge of player recruitment (Cellino & Salerno) are not very good at it.
So basially we are screwed unless 3 other teams manage to make a bigger mess of things than Cellino has (whch is unlikely).
1.) 30 Dec 2014 20:39:39
Bic. I think your right , we can't survive on cast offs from seria b. we need players who aree proven in this league but we won't pay the money to get them so yeah at the moment we are screwed
2.) You are right, Massimo is to blame, love his passion but he has screwd us up by not understanding our league.
3.) Me, I blame the players, MC doesn't go on the pitch, are we really saying are squad are not good enough for championship?
sorry but the manger/players have to take responsibility, if we were mid table and needed to improve then I would agree with the MC bit needing to buy better players but at the moment it is down to the team and Redders.
No shots on target again this half, shocking and all a bit sad but maybe Derby can score an own goal for us to help us out a bit!
4.) 30 Dec 2014 21:03:07
Voices fm Eason yes, the players I can see are not good enough absolutely but cellino thought he could bring in players from serie b on a fraction of wages and be competitive . He is in charge of recruitment , he hasn't brought the right players in.
5.) I disagree why can we not bring in a dexent coach. Redfearn is completely inadept at changing anything despite how obvious it is. Where is sloth? Why hasn't adryan started who did so well against derby last time? Why is sharp not playing in reserves? Cook and mowatt both need a break and austin is a waste of spaxe
13 Dec 2014 19:59:36
I know you don't want to hear it, but this a mostly Cellino's fault. He brought in 15 players I think, most of which were average journey men from around Europe. Our best players were already here before Cellino (Warnock, Mowatt etc). He is also a crook and has consequently brought all kinds of trouble onto the club (rest assured there is more in the pipe line!). His 'manager eater' tag means that no quality coaches will entertain taking the managers job and his knee-jerk reactions bring mockery to our club. GFH are equally as culpable by the way (but for different reasons). He should find us a buyer (with deep pockets) who will run the club in a steady, progressive and sensible manner and who will build a team ethos of expansive, attractive and technical football (like Southampton & Swansea). I love Cellinos passion for the club & football, but he is not good for LUFC in the long run I'm afraid
1.) 13 Dec 2014 21:24:46
the man has done more good for lufc than anybody has done in the last 12 years . Am sorry but 12 years of shat will not be sorted in just 1 year it's going to take time pal so give the man a chance and abit of time . In cellinio we trust .
2.) Very intelligent post, in fairness to Mr Cellino he is passionate about the Club and does on the face of it appear to have financially stabilised the Club, there however are lot of bad things as well. Everyone in life deserves a second chance but the latest conviction is far from the Chairman's first.
The irrational sackings and appointments, Hockaday, Milanic and the unfortunate departure of true Leeds people such as Richard Naylor are all decisions made by the Chairman himself. I am personally very pleased that Neil Redfearn is promoting youth and given my only involvement with professional football has been building new stands, I'm not really sure I'm actually that well qualified to criticise excessively - he will have a much better idea from training than most of us on who is actually playing well.
Whatever many fans would appear to believe with regards to neat football, it will all come right soon etc the evidence would appear to be that this team is not the equal of last season's team which even flirted with the play-off places, albeit briefly, something on current form looks very unlikely.
The offer we received for McCormack was I think too good for almost any Championship Club, especially one in financial trouble to turn down but he is a big loss in my view and has not been fully replaced. Michael Tonge may well not be the player he once was but unlike some, he uses his experience and I always believe he is giving 100%.
A sale into a more stable ownership would I believe be in the Club's long term best interests.
30 Aug 2014 12:32:55
A couple of lines from the morning papers. The Bun says Manchester City's Micah Richards, Scott Sinclair, John Guidetti and Matija Nastasic have all been told to find another club before Monday’s transfer deadline. Let's get all 4 of them!
1.) Bic
You paying the wages?
MC won't unless they take a 80% wage cut!
17 Dec 2015 19:01:44
Lafferty is very average. Not good enough to make a real difference. Wednesday get Hooper we get another lump.
19 Oct 2015 21:15:54
No point in calling for quality managers. Steve Evans is about the level we are at just now. Nobody decent would go within 100 miles of Cellino.
07 Apr 2015 08:23:35
Most of the above post is inaccurate and based on speculation and not fact. Red Bull are highly unlikely to buy Leeds Utd and there are no other serious bidders on the horizon. LUFC won't be in the Champions League in Cellinos lifetime.
Russell Crowe will not buy into LUFC or the Rhinos (Rhinos are not for sale). Leeds fans are not allowed to have nice things happen to their football club.
03 Apr 2015 19:55:48
Neither Poyet or any other self respecting manager of any worth will come within a million miles of Leeds Utd so long as that tin pot Mafia upstairs are in charge.
03 Apr 2015 19:57:02
Did you really just post that statement d.s!
17 Jul 2015 11:05:18
I reckon Ricky Lambert may move to Villa as part of the deal (it would suit all parties). Plus his wages would rule LUFC out.
23 May 2015 11:13:20
Cos he really ripped the Championship up this season (not!)
05 May 2015 12:19:58
You can't be serious about preferring to stick with MC and having to endure season after season of conflict, crap football, under achievemet, scandals, lies and joke headlines just so that we cn still call the ground Elland Rd and not have Red Bull on the shirts?! Time and circumstances move on, if LUFC don't we can expect another 15 years of pain, declining crowds, average players, deteriorating stadium etc etc. IT TIME FOR REAL CHANGE.
28 Apr 2015 20:39:59
Shoot for the stars
Andre Gray
Chris Brunt
Graham Dorrans
Leonardo Ulloa
Liam Bridcutt
Tomas Kalas
15 Apr 2015 15:29:49
Doukara is rubbish (so is Cani), that's why he is left out.