Leeds Banter Archive February 10 2019

 

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10 Feb 2019 18:53:07
@LUFCDATA: Middlesbrough 1-1 Leeds Breakdown:

Touches: 447-716
Pass Accuracy: 52%-75%
Passes: 232-503
Possession: 31%-69%
Shots: 9-17
Shots on-target: 3-4
Chances Created: 9-13
Crosses: 7-32
Corners: 2-9
Aerial Duels Won: 21-35
Tackles: 24-24
Interceptions: 10-12
Clearances: 40-7
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10 Feb 2019 19:05:44
And you're point is?

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{Ed025's Note - obviously that leeds were the better side..

10 Feb 2019 19:39:53
Unfortunately it’s not a boxing match. If it were we’d be 30 points clear at the top!

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10 Feb 2019 19:49:39
How the hell did we win more aerial duels against that bunch of freaks?

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10 Feb 2019 20:24:33
Like I said to Gilesy, after his post about having been at the game, my point is that we continue to dominate teams, even with a poor first half, yet there remains so much negativity. We could’ve, possibly should’ve, had four, against the tightest defence in the division. If we continue picking up points in games that some deem to be “poor performances”, we ARE going up! And Thanks Ed. Your summary was perfect!

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{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..

10 Feb 2019 20:31:01
Those stats are typical of us week in week out. Our problem is that if you looked at the goal difference figures our average is being caught up quite quickly. We have an increasingly longstanding problem turning possession into goals. Roofe is no Depauy, Gayle or Sharp. Bamford or Brown to the rescue me hopes.

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10 Feb 2019 21:07:41
Very unfair on Roofe he’s had a great season.

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10 Feb 2019 21:25:41
Don't get me wrong, he has had a good season, but with the service he has had, he should have had more. If the aforenamed three players had the service he has, they would be miles in front.

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10 Feb 2019 21:32:57
Only one stat truely counts.

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11 Feb 2019 10:59:53
Yep notts. 1-1.
All the rest is there to identify what needs work on.
And I’m just beginning to think it may be our chances to goals ratio.
Should I call Bielsa and tell him because it’s been going on all season and it ain’t improving.
Just because we have rubbish loads of possession doesn’t mean we can miss more.

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11 Feb 2019 11:17:03
We have struggle most of the season to put teams to the sword as our ratio of chances made to goals scored is low. The difference earlier on in the season was that our defence was miserly. Now we have to score at least two goals to have a chance of winning a game as we inevitably concede (and usually first) .

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11 Feb 2019 11:28:46
We do not really have a goal threat for all the possession we have and chances we create. Look at the top two scorers for most of the top six and they are 10 goals ahead of our top two. Not just down to Roofe we need some one else to help out up front, hopefully Bamford or Browne can make a difference. Roofe not prolific and if we had some one else with 13 or 14 goals would have made this a lot easier. Thought Klich might have been it but inconsistent in front of goal. One of them needs to start letting loose instead of looking for the next pass.

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11 Feb 2019 10:24:00
Ed I'm sure we will take great comfort in the stats if we don't make the Premier league.

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{Ed025's Note - he was just pointing out that you actually had best part of that game wex, nothing wrong with that mate and its better than some of the doom and gloom merchants who are looking for failure..

11 Feb 2019 11:37:52
Aus.

Yes, give him a ring, but not Sheds!

Do you speak Spanish though?

MOT.

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11 Feb 2019 13:22:00
Tewit, to be fair to Bielsa, I think he knows what the problem is in Spanish and English, I’m sure he’s even trying to sort it!

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11 Feb 2019 14:11:41
From that it seems that actually the shots on target is a bigger issue. Boro has 3 out of twelve and we could only manage 4 out of 21. If we start hitting the target we wold surely score more goals. Maybe we are already shooting from too far out therefore giving away possession rather than awaiting a better chance to strike. Having more shots inst the way to address that.

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11 Feb 2019 12:25:19
Ed I think everyone knows we dominate games we don't need a list of stats to tell us that we are lacking in the goals department.

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{Ed025's Note - i think you are being harsh wex, you are playing well and thats all he was trying to say imo mate..

11 Feb 2019 21:10:00
I’m not biting, I’m not biting.

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10 Feb 2019 18:23:44
Can we all get over the fact that we didn't get more players in January.

That is gone and done. Get real. We have got what we have now. That is all we can play with. No "ifs or buts".

I know I keep going on about doom and gloom and glass half empty. but as soon as there is the slightest hiccup the usual posters come out with the same old negativity.

Makes me want to slash my wrists.

Probably would, but I have thrown my lucky razor away!

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10 Feb 2019 18:41:34
Tee, felt like that when we didn’t get any players in, believe me we needed them no ifs or buts in that.

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10 Feb 2019 19:29:39
Whiteman, players will only have been needed if we fail to get promoted! If we get promoted, no one will care what we did or didn’t do in the Jan window. I think that’s the point Tewit is making! The time for a post mortem is when the patient is dead not when he is very much alive and kicking.

Like I’ve said before on here, what we can all do to help us get to the game on weds and scream and shout like a looney until the 101st minute, that helps!

Good post Tewit, I’m with you on the glass half full debate. I’m loving this season!

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10 Feb 2019 19:48:11
Totally agree Tew. Wouldn’t slash my wrists though but can think of a few on here whom I could do the act on!

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10 Feb 2019 20:21:42
Here here Cork, if you think you can you can, if you think you can’t you can’t! If think we can!

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10 Feb 2019 20:27:05
Totally Tewit! Yesterday wasn’t even a “hiccup”, it was a well deserved point, against a tight, well drilled defensive team on THEIR patch! Getting the lad from Swans would have been a bonus, but we don’t need anyone else, if we can keep the squad fit.

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11 Feb 2019 10:41:35
Brighty All teams we play turn into "tight, well drilled, defensive teams", just as soon as we give them a goal start. That's when our troubles begin. To a certain extent, we will always have high stats when the other team just want to defend. I don't know how exactly but we have to purge the habit of giving everyone a head start.

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11 Feb 2019 11:46:34
If we did not need any one why were trying so hard to get James, would have gone for Bowen myself. Fact is we did not get anyone so we go with what we have which i think is enough to give us a good chance of getting out of this division if all stay fit. Even one extra outfield player would have made that task easier. Its not doom and gloom because people have an opinion of what should have happened. We are capable of winning our next three then all is rosy again. Our present position is way beyond what anyone expected at beginning of season and we are all praying we keep it up. If you are not nervous at this stage you are either super cool or not really a fan.

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11 Feb 2019 13:14:37
Bige

You don't get it do you, or you don't read the posts properly, or maybe both.

Where in this thread does anybody say "we did not need any one"?

What we are saying is that the January transfer window is gone, over.

Now is the time to concentrate on what we have got and how to best utilise those assets to get promotion.

That's all.

MOT.

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11 Feb 2019 13:53:11
Bub didn't think we needed new players in, he told Kiko he was crazy to come. He did say he would have new ones if Radz and/ or Orta wanted them, but otherwise we would be fine. Works for me 😊.

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11 Feb 2019 14:12:48
totally agree Tewit - we should have signed a few in January.

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11 Feb 2019 17:15:28
Cork

Are you going to give us a few clues as to who they might be? 🤔🤔🤔.

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11 Feb 2019 21:11:18
Leo. Not as tight and well drilled as a Pulis team.

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11 Feb 2019 21:46:31
Just reread it Tew and get it, you were just stating the obvious apart from the bit about wrist slitting.

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10 Feb 2019 15:05:06
Need to pick are game up now to get back on top, this will not be easy, MB will have to pick his game up to get the team playing better, needed investment in Januray Radz, just hope this don't come back a bit us.

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10 Feb 2019 15:11:36
Whitey It's all set for Billy Sharp to ruin us emotionally in the playoffs. As for Radz, the story is he apparently trusted an American owner to alter stance of Jenkins. We know how that worked out. I also believe we are going to lose Bielsa sooner than we want.

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10 Feb 2019 15:27:52
Everton interested as they On verge off sacking Marco silva! Be shocked to see Beisla go with us in top 2 after all the hard work. ⚽️😱.

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{Ed025's Note - i cant see it matty..

10 Feb 2019 15:59:43
Bielsa won’t go somewhere during the season. His methods work most effectively with a full preseason with his squad, both in terms of fitness, tactics and team ethic.

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10 Feb 2019 16:02:20
Bielsa is going nowhere.
Not this season anyway!
I've got a feeling he'll get us up, stay one season, keep us up and then retire back to Argentina. Leaving Carlos Corberan to take over.

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10 Feb 2019 17:39:07
I'm not so sure lads. Money talks and No Socks No Hair Man lay in wait to do the dirty.

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10 Feb 2019 18:19:35
I’m with danum on this 100%. He’s bought into the project, and even in the unlikely event of not going up this season, believe he would stay and give it another shot.

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10 Feb 2019 18:35:24
Bielsa is not bothered about money

Only being allowed to work as he wants with no interference.

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10 Feb 2019 18:36:57
George I do agree, I do hope that we don’t, but this FA thing will take its toll, I do believe that he would have like exter players in too, let’s hope brightwhite is right and he’s in foe the longhall.

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10 Feb 2019 19:36:57
George and Whiteman United in pessimism! How times have changed!

Bright is right, Bielsa won’t go anywhere else mid season, not his style! Not impossible that he walks, but that could be more about any sanctions and Leeds reaction to it.

What happens beyond the summer is a different matter. If we are promoted, will he want to take on the premiership and will he be the right person to keep us up?

If we don’t go up, will he want to stay and go through it all again and depending on the analysis of why we didn’t go up, would we want him to stay and try to go through all of that again!

But none of that matters until the summer, the only thing that matters is getting as many points as possible from the remaining games.

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10 Feb 2019 19:43:09
George one day a prediction of yours will come to pass. And I’m pretty sure you’ll gloat about it!

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10 Feb 2019 19:52:47
I agree Danum sounds like a hopefully likely scenario but not too sure about the Corberon bit though.

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10 Feb 2019 20:00:44
Spaniard You're not paying sufficient attention to the threat posed by the Football League.

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10 Feb 2019 20:16:35
Spaniard, sorry mate I have to agree with George, Football League are the devils be aware.

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10 Feb 2019 20:26:12
Not sure what you are saying George. If it’s that football league sanctions might make Bielsa walk, then I do think that’s possible, but it’s always possible that Bielsa can walk, that’s his style.

If you’re implying that the football league will deduct us points and that will stop us getting promoted, don’t think that will happen.

Or is it something else I’ve missed?

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10 Feb 2019 20:31:02
Corky, I really do get the feeling That Corberan is being groomed as MB’s successor. Lots of time with the first team squad, taking what he learns to the 23’s, and a key position in the match day dugout. Marcelo could be creating our future gem of a manager. It’s the kind of succession planning that leads to long term success.

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10 Feb 2019 20:39:05
Whiteman what do you mean? What do you think the football league will do?

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10 Feb 2019 21:27:45
I get the impression that MB is the type of man, who if punished, would actually give them the rods, and say “you’re not stopping me. Now hold my pint! ”. He’s already said “This is what I’ve done, this is why I do It, if you don’t like it, then do what you want! ” The EFL will have no sway on his future at all.

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11 Feb 2019 00:12:36
Spaniard I have a theory which I won't print. I love my club too much to do that. I'd share it with you personally but the private message feature still eludes this site. The net effect of my theory is that we'll have a new manager by April. I don't want it to happen but Whiteman is again correct (5 consecutive times agreement) the Football League are the incarnate of a fallen angel. I trust them about as much as I could throw them.

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11 Feb 2019 02:34:07
Brighty, I posted a while ago that it seemed like Bub was setting up the club properly, although I thought it might have been Pablo to step up but I'll be more than happy if Corberan is our next head coach, hopefully in around another 3 or 4 years :)

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11 Feb 2019 07:54:41
George, thanks for the reply, much appreciated and very interested! Bielsa could always walk either due to FL actions or if by Late April there has been a disastrous fall off of results and the tide turns. I just don’t think he would go to another club this year.

Still interested in Whitemans theories!

Re Corberan, I like him very much and I think he has played an important role this year, but it may be that it’s more important to keep him doing that, if he’s happy, than in the number one job. let's see where we are by late April.

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11 Feb 2019 15:36:12
Spanishleeds, I don’t know what they will do but you can bet if there is any chance to do us they will, they will fine MB which he may not like, as for players we needed them, we can play keep ball for 90 minutes but seem not to score, and unless I am mistaken that wins games which we haven’t.

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10 Feb 2019 14:40:10
I still think we play the best football in this league. We just don't score enough for the amount of possession we have.
When you look at the sides around us. Sheffield United have Sharpe, Norwich have Pukki and West Bromwich have Gayle and Rodriguez.
I think as long as Bamford stays fit until the end of the season, him and Roofe should get enough goals between them to get us up.

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10 Feb 2019 15:17:01
Danum That's the worrying part, the lack of goals. Our play is excellent but often such a team doesn't just rewards. The 2 Bs are going to be crucial in the run in. Bamford and Brown.

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10 Feb 2019 15:29:40
If only viduka was in this team.
Bag full comes too mind.
⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️.

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10 Feb 2019 16:00:34
He’d have had fotty by now wouldn’t he Batty!

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10 Feb 2019 17:44:25
We would prob have been crowned champions already.
Super striker and footballer in general.
👍⚽️😊.

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10 Feb 2019 18:17:21
Just lazy.

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10 Feb 2019 18:21:32
And a tool bloke in general as well. Got the Leeds salute from him from the other side of the road a fair few years back, and a big smile, as we’d just avoided relegation!

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10 Feb 2019 20:31:39
Oops. Top, not tool! 😔😳😉.

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10 Feb 2019 14:34:25
Thanks to those who go to the away games, who give really good reports on what the game was actually like ( same for the U23's) . There is so much rubbish spouted from various internet sources these days. Some good level headed insight into what it was really like is very welcome. Keep it up Lads ( and/ or Lasses)

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10 Feb 2019 15:03:47
I saw the Boro boy tweeting Leeds got an undeserved draw, Tony Dorigo said he was delusional 😁😁😁 you'll never beat Dorigo! ! !

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10 Feb 2019 14:19:44
Farcical story now coming out that we sent various interns to towns and cities of our opponents to mingle with their fans in local pubs, and to judge the views of their fans as to what is happening within their team. is this the evidence they have now got on us, Surely we have broke some kind of ancient bye law. Surely demotion to the conference for us!

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10 Feb 2019 15:05:08
I bet the scoundrels were even looking on Twitter and Facebook, how very dare they?

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10 Feb 2019 16:17:18
What on Earth would you learn from going to a pub?

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10 Feb 2019 18:50:24
That 10 pints after the game is too much when your supppsed to be home early to take the wife out for a meal . 👍👍👍.

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10 Feb 2019 19:43:50
Anyone know where you have to apply for these intern jobs? Sounds like a good crack to me! Free pair of secateurs, handy for the garden and a nice expense account for heading for the local weatherspoons! Sounds like a job for MadMick, or perhaps that’s why we haven’t heard anything from him recently!

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10 Feb 2019 19:55:19
Just as well that I didn't get the job, they wouldn't have believed my expenses 😁😁😁.

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10 Feb 2019 12:57:32
The Vegas derby kicking off abit, some nasty challenges going in. Still all in the spirit of the game eh EFL, No story here.

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10 Feb 2019 13:46:28
Lambert unlucky to be red carded! Points deduction for Norwich for disgraceful scenes on the sideline? . Probably not as it’s not Leeds!

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10 Feb 2019 11:45:42
Is Casilla any better than BPF?

I've only seen him on highlights so can't really judge.

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10 Feb 2019 12:02:06
Was thinking that myself Tewit. If he is it's only marginal.

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10 Feb 2019 12:45:04
Got that feeling myself to be honest.
Very marginal and prob lacks the passion and pride.

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10 Feb 2019 12:45:17
he has only just got here think he needs time to settle

lets be honest he has/ had enough talent to play for one of the best biggest clubs in the world BPF was released by reading I beleieve just to put that into perspective

I like BPF but he has made so many mistakes and cost us points, don't think i have seen the new guy make any real mistakes and make a couple of great saves so my vote is with the new guy.

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10 Feb 2019 13:17:18
Pedigree is a dog food. Who you played for in the past doesn't matter to me it's what you do in a Leeds shirt that matters.
We all remember Roque Junior as the perfect example of that haha
I'm sure Casillas will come good though and may need some time to adjust. Hope we have enough!

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10 Feb 2019 13:24:09
Probably not.

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10 Feb 2019 13:54:17
Yep, he's better than BPF, no question 😊.

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10 Feb 2019 14:36:43
Agree Canada.
Watch more Leeds games bw
Are u sure Alf?

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10 Feb 2019 15:38:02
Too early to say only hope BPF is learning something.

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10 Feb 2019 16:19:05
I asked this the other day.

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10 Feb 2019 18:10:39
watch more leeds games Aus? that aimed at me? I have seen well over half of our games this season

I agree about pedigree but then the player has only played a handful of games and not had much to do it is hard to judge on much else.

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10 Feb 2019 09:16:34
Nearly fell off mi chair, Adrian Durham actually defending us and slagging off efl/ fa and agreeing the conspiracy theorists!

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10 Feb 2019 10:42:09
Agree mate, if this guy is saying it then you know there is something in this story. Adrian Durham usually a Leeds basher, but even be sees that something wrong here.

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10 Feb 2019 19:58:35
I'm hoping that the the national press pick up on Durham's theories, the *xpress has, so wonder if the others will.

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10 Feb 2019 08:58:03
Looking at points totals required for top 2 and top 6 and based on points per game ratio so far this season. Think the points target of somewhere around 85 to 87 might get you top two and playoffs could be anything over 75 . We have 15 games left and 45 points to play for . It is very very competitive, all the injuries we have had means that some of our players should be a lot fresher at this stage of the season than most . Look at Philips performance yesterday after having a break. Hopefully we can rest the tired players and Browne, Bamford and Roberts can all make a big impact. It all boils down to a mini season of 15 games and we have a slight points advantage starting off.

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10 Feb 2019 09:18:38
Bang on 1970.

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10 Feb 2019 10:57:18
Agreed 70. A mini season of 15 games with 15 cup finals.

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10 Feb 2019 11:32:52
Starting with nine points from the next 3 all winnable.

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10 Feb 2019 12:48:21
very true the only thing that worries me is we are talking automatic promotion but our form has been relegation worthy. as everyone keeps singing to me, same old leeds falling apart again

all season i refused to beleiev i finally thought we would go up and we fell to bits


good news is i am now convinved we will get into plays off in 4 or 5 place and get beaten badly by whoever we play. so we should go up as champs.

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10 Feb 2019 16:20:11
Normal service resumed Bermo.

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10 Feb 2019 18:12:35
it has alf to be fair there were about 7 games i felt we were going up and we lost five of them.

so now i am back to doom and gloom which i hope means normal service resumes for the boys and they start winning and shoot striaght back to the top

cyincal work this being a leeds fan.

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10 Feb 2019 08:43:07
Yesterday's result really important for me. Yes, we are still not making the most of our chances and yes we look fragile in defense at times, but we kept going to get a deserved point. After the Norwich result, it was so important and shows The talk of collapse was a little premature. Bamford back and Brown on the bench and Forshaw and Douglas to join them soon. The team has options and the bench is looking stronger again.

The next three matches give us the opportunity to put the pressure on the other teams around us. Swansea and then a nice gap before Bolton and QPR. 2/ 3 at Elland Road as well! Do well in those and it also helps us with the tougher period after that.

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10 Feb 2019 10:58:26
How many get out of Jail cards in a pack?

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10 Feb 2019 11:28:30
After the last few games I'm not sure that Forshaw and Douglas coming back is necessarily a good thing 😊.

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10 Feb 2019 11:33:17
Leodis, I think Bielsa gets his deck of cards manufactured especially for him, special edition!

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10 Feb 2019 12:02:24
Al, Forshaw and Douglas strengthen the squad, KP back allows Forshaw to be available for a different role and Douglas is a good back up to have on the bench.

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10 Feb 2019 15:07:41
Good for the bench Spanish, but at the moment not good enough to replace KP or Alioski.

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10 Feb 2019 06:23:04
Was at the match.
Imo. carry on like that and we will go up as champions.
Thought we were exellent.
Bamford makes a big difference. he is a bit rusty and will get into his stride, I'm sure.
Boro had a 15 minute spell and the rest we dominated. had them penned in their own half almost all the 2nd 45.they only got in our half 5 times in 2nd half. on another day we would've got 3 or 4 goals. harrison had a good 2nd half . ayling is trying too hard to impress and looks nervous once he makes an error but he was making good forward runs. roberts looks big, strong and bags of skill. phillips stood out, made some big tackles and broke a lot of their play up. He must stay in this team now.
Pablo calms it all down and is a real brain when you need 1.
For me we were unlucky not to run away with an easy win.
Its the earl goal that is letting us down and we seem to go a goal down every game.
If we carry on like this performance and bamford and roofe click we will be champions. roberts and brown will be key too.
Cheers lads.

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10 Feb 2019 08:18:01
Great to hear Gilesey, thanks. Like you, i'm really positive after that game, brown to add to that squad and Douglas and Forshaw back soon to strengthen the squad. We are developing real options!

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10 Feb 2019 08:33:04
It’s been same all season mate.
Can’t take our chances. The truth is borough didn’t need that much time on the ball or that many chances to score. We did!
Ayling should go. Prefer shacks. Happy for Bamford to stay with roofe.
Think Izzy should swap with Harrison.
Bit concerned about Clark. Only got a half in him and then get ill. Think he needs a thorough examination. Might be something hidden there.
Agree about Phillips. Here for the long haul.
It’s going to be tight tight tight at the top this year. Every point and goal could be decisive. Start converting boys or we will miss out.
The pleasing element for me at the moment is that we play good football albeit without too much of a sting. But to be honest. Only Brom beat us good. We bossed Boro at their own pad and equaled Norwich apart from finishing once again. We are hard to beat.
Let’s keep it that way a one draw might make the diff.

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10 Feb 2019 08:58:13
A great, positive review Gilesy. I watched the game online, and can’t believe all the negativity I’ve seen flying around on social media!

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10 Feb 2019 11:33:11
I was there too Gilesy, I felt first half wasn't great they did have one or two good chances, we had a lot of loose passes. Second half much better, it became like attack v defence, a thoroughly deserved equaliser which might turn out to be a very defining goal for us. As you say, with players returning the squad looks much better. We really need three points against Swansea, then they have a weekend off to get focused on the last 14 massive games. A last word for KP, who was excellent and to a quick and full recovery for JC.

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10 Feb 2019 11:33:15
A lot of Leeds fans should be banned from Twitter, some of these so-called news sites just sit collecting tweets and then write 20 - 30 words put a clickbait headline on it and the pea-brained tweeters get their few seconds of game.

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10 Feb 2019 11:41:42
A fair post Aus! One point about the attractive football and possession is that it does serve to restrict the number of chances the other team has. Bearing in mind our ocasional defensive frailty, that’s a good thing in itself. Having Roofe, Bamford and Roberts all playing should increases our chances of getting the hall in the net!

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10 Feb 2019 12:48:11
Yep. Good point Spanish.
Just think how good we would be if we played the great possession football and converted our chances. 👍.

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