Leeds Banter Archive February 11 2016

 

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11 Feb 2016 21:59:19
Some on here embarrassed to be Leeds fans if you are move on. Fans wanting to buy shares probably the same ones who don't want to buy a pie . Bored of the anti cellino brigade. Face facts this is a football club and one that's not in great shape and was in worse shape before cellino. Can I repeat bored of the anti cellino brigade bored bored bored.

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11 Feb 2016 22:40:14
totally agree, it's embarrassing.

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11 Feb 2016 23:31:22
agree bored with it all, I understand people will have views but keep hashing up same points while ignore other points which are the same, it comes down to five main points for me

1. we were in a worse state before he joined
2. we are lucky to even be a club and that was down to people before MC, the damage was done well before and nothing he can do about the past
3. things have been worse. we were in league 1 and have looked like dropping out of the league a few times alongside the time we actually dropped out of it
4. this is football, you take the good you take the bad, we have no devine right to be at the footballing top table at the moment we are probably over achieving (look at blackpool and porstmouth)
5. we are leeds we support leeds we can moan we can want better but get behind leeds and get behind the man who saved leeds, has improved leeds and did mean well by this club

MOT.

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11 Feb 2016 23:49:14
BW. Can you believe it. I agree 😜.

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12 Feb 2016 01:48:01
Agree 100%. When you support a football club you support it through the good AND the bad. If MC was all about himself he would have sold Cook Mowatt Taylor and whoever else he could have got reasonable $$ for. God knows who will take over when MC thinks stuff them I will do what they want and sell to the highest bidder. God forbid. imagine Bates buying us again.

MoT.

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12 Feb 2016 03:23:07
Agrree.

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12 Feb 2016 07:54:02
Agree, been reading all posts but not posting because of all th repetitive boring twaddle. Will be watching for a win from canaries on Monday. Mot.

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12 Feb 2016 08:50:34
The anti cellino brigade are just that anti cellino. They are not doing it because it is in the best interest of LUFC. They are doing it because they have a beef with him. They are not bothered about the consequences of him walking away as long as they win. Its sad when this crap happens, no one wins and turns our club into a media circus. I could understand if he was bleeding the club but he is still building it back up. Said it many times before there are a group of fans at leeds with their own agends and its nothing to do with football.

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12 Feb 2016 14:13:47
thanks speedy just shows great minds and all that

and I agree

bring back bates

bring back hock

bring back luke Vardy

bring back 80's hooliahgisim and blood shed in the stands

(i would like to say on a personal note this post is of course a joke, however as much as I am against it and it disgusts me if something had to return to leeds I would have to opt for the hoolagiaism, A. becuase as least we were good at it and B. I think it would do the club the least harm)

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11 Feb 2016 21:05:05
Another old friend Kevin Blackwell will be assisting Colin at Rotherham.

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11 Feb 2016 20:46:11
Colins gone to rovram!
lol.

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11 Feb 2016 20:44:14
Just a thought? If and I say if? Parkin wanted to buy our club, what would stop him buying a share and then offering us fans to buy shares in the club to make up the diffrence so we had a coalition share ownership? There must be enough fans world wide to make share cost a viable purchase?

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11 Feb 2016 21:42:54
dont know anything about this to be honest so could be barking up wrong tree but is that not what pompy have done and it has worked well for them, ok they have smaller outgoings transfer fees etc. and don't think they have same debt (but could) but they also have far fewer fans so I guess in threoy could be good idea?

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11 Feb 2016 22:14:53
Previously bought shares in The Mighty Leeds before the spectacular fall- still have the certificate- and they ended up being worthless and void. Thank you Mr Risdale.

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11 Feb 2016 22:16:58
like to see him not just talk with cellino but negotiate with gfh,
if he wasn't going to buy out mc then a good second would be to rid of gfh and buy them out,
They are a cancer on this club, nothing less.

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11 Feb 2016 19:45:08
Wel it appears Cellino is now taking legal action against the fans who put the poster up at Elland rd. does he really think this adds to his popularity/ or gives the fans that are against him more ammunition. talk about load a gun and let someone shoot it at you.

Looks like Monday's game will be interesting for all the wrong reasons.

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11 Feb 2016 20:37:36
The soap opera continues! Very sad!

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12 Feb 2016 14:14:57
i know the answer let's fly a plane over ER that is the best thing for the club, it won't make a story in the paper and might attract potential buyers to our once great club.

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11 Feb 2016 17:40:39
Just reading through todays forum posts and comments and it's amazing how passionate our fans are. I just wish the people at the top (aka Mr Chellino, GFH, ect. ) would listen. We don't want big money men (although a reasonable squad investment would be good) , what we really want is; honesty, transparency, owner commitment and trust. There's no point in having all the money in the world if you haven't got any of them.

If Mr Cellino, GFH or anyone else at the club stumbles across this post, please listen to us fans and stop putting us through so much crap! As you can guess from my username I'm generally quite optimistic and start every season with a real belief that we'll finally sort ourselves out and reamerge from the wilderness. I have to say though that I feel different this year, I'm fed up with Leeds and the entire mess that is our club. I feel let down, ripped off, and worse than all, embarrassed to be a fan of the club.

I still hold hope that things will improved some day, I guess us fans just have to keep holding on until they do. I know I feel like this now, but tomorrow is another day, so let keep Marching On Together!

p. s. Sorry guys I started that post intending to write something positive and then that came out. It felt good to get it off my chest though.

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11 Feb 2016 17:50:09
Great post Optimistic, like so many others I share your pain lol.

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11 Feb 2016 17:13:30
I have really enjoyed reading people's opinions regarding Cellino's time as a chairman/ owner of our great club. While agree with both some of the fors and against opinions, one thing is for sure if MC entered into buying Leeds without doing due diligence he only has him self to blame if there were debts etc he wasn't aware of it that is down to him, is is the fact GFH are involved again he would have to agree to them being sleeping partners. MC hasn't helped him self by making promises and not delivering on them buy ER and Thorpe arch being some of them, as well as promising to be in the premiership by the end of this season like everyone else I have no problem with us taking 10 years to get back were we belong, if that is the plan say so and like so many others I will continue to support the club week in week out

This merry go round approach to management doesn't work either as like all of us managers have different opinions to players and what was Roslers players at the beginning of the season are not necessarily Evans type of player (Bottake and Erwin spring to mind) and as such Evans doesn't rate them and as a result we have wasted money on a transfer fee and wages. This coupled with the pay off's we have to pay sacked managers is draining the club of what little money we have.

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11 Feb 2016 18:17:00
Agree with nearly all that but got to add changing the owner will not solve anything either. Who will buy us, I don't see billionaires queueing up at the doors. I think Cellino had every intention of following up on his promises when he first came. He did not expect the FL to take thhe stance they have and he did not expect the fans to turn so quickly, a minority but still grab headlines. Got to remember he came from Italy, no idea of the English culture probably no idea of championship. Brought a load of players in as he knew embargo was on its way and squad was crap. Got three or four decent players out of it but rest did not cost us anything but wages and were returned. Got slated for doing something that we needed to do.
Hockaday big mistake but do you seriously think Cellino unearthed him, he was recommended did a good interview, mistake. Milanic who knows, six games is no way to judge a manager, again foreigner that needed to get used to league, ie karanka etc. Evans is a decent championship manager, will he be the one to take us forward, time will tell but he needs time, every manager needs two seasons at least to build a team. If we not in top ten most of next season then judge him but think some will judge him long before then.
The only way someone will buy us is debt free, that's around 40mill to find on top of sale price, and for those who think Parkin will do that forget it he don't have enough money to do that and invest. Cellino has the money, 750mill, but I don't blame him for trying to sort FL out first. Summer will tell us where we are going, if it works out FL will be sorted by then, if it can be sorted for Parkin to buy shares that's a bonus. Posters outside ER will not help anything, just a waste of money. And GFH are a big problem, just leeches pity they were not included in poster but guess they are not on the agenda.

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11 Feb 2016 18:52:34
Back in October, Cellino was asked why he wouldn't buy out GFH. He stated buying g the ground would take priority over buying out GFH. He stated that "GFH are not a problem. They don't help me, but they don't bother me". He went on to say buying the ground was his number 1 priority.

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11 Feb 2016 19:47:08
Deda not disputing he has said things and promised things he has not delivered on. Thing is we don't know why, its definately not money. Think his priorities shifted when he started challenging FL At least he is some one who will challenge and not roll over. I have said before I support the club, not cellino. I have to believe he will do the right thing alienating him ain't going to help. When he was at Cagliari he brought in Riva who was the top international italian striker at the time. Explain to me why he would do that here when there are posters and constant chants for him to go. We were on the way to admin when he took over, all young ones still here and new players coming in. Its not that bad.

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11 Feb 2016 20:37:30
Agreed, It's not that bad. Hate it when people come out with posts about this being the worst team/situation/football in my 50 years of watching Leeds. Some people have short memories. But, don't see us getting any closer to the premiership, or even having a decent run where a bit of opptomism creeps in. Seems to be the same this time of year. Season over/wait until summer. Our only hope in the short term is if Watford have an off day and we can somehow fluke a win. If we get a top draw at home, we'll get a full house. Maybe then Cellino will see some potential.

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11 Feb 2016 12:44:31
Great post dougie I think you are right, massimo came in and didn't realise what a mess he inherited, he was so keen to buy an English club, I'm led to believe there was no due diligence when he took over, which for someone with MCs business acumen is Crazy, it's the equivalent of buying a second hand car without going to check it out first! But I am also with BW and a few others on here in the fact that I am grateful for a lot of the things he has done and coming in when he did, he has straightened out a lot of the crippling debt that was threatening the club, this may explain why it looks like there is a cash flow problem which has hampered wages/ new signings, I also believe The skint Arabs need to be bought out as they are adding to our debt, whoever buys the club needs to buy it whole and insist on it, it ain't going to be cheap that's for sure because massimo will want his money back, and GFH will want over the odds to be got rid of! Going back to my first point is that MC has cleaned up the finances to make it attractive to buy and pave a way for a potential investor, MC IMO has been his own worst enemy by always having the need to have his ego massaged, meddling and interfering, I think it's his nature and what he is used to in Italy, but if he ends up clearing the huge mess up and sells the club on a clean slate to a wealthy investor, then massimo will have done more good for the club than a lot of us will ever realise. Peace brothers MOT 😎.

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11 Feb 2016 13:16:58
How do you come to the conclusion that Cellino has cleaned up our financial situation, making it more attractive to buy? Based on what exactly? It must have looked pretty good to him when he bought the club!

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11 Feb 2016 13:25:45
Riggity
I think he just dived in quickly without doing proper due diligence
(uncle Ken probably told him it was a great investment)

He's still cleaning up all the crap he discovered.

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11 Feb 2016 14:31:44
agree speedy and and DJ, think MC has been own worse enemy and his reputation didn't help as some 'fans' and the press where already baying for blood before he warmed his chair, this said MC didn't help with treatment of brain Mcd, comments to press, hiring hock etc. the main thing that I feel is MC is at heart a good man and he wanted to do well by leeds (opposite of bates GFH) . I do think he is wildly improved the squad (just in playing age and talent avilible again remember under bates when NW was in charge and our best players were Brown, Green and White and all the other colours of the rainbow) again he has kept best players, invested (good or bad is beside the point really he did invest in players some worked others not so much) and didn't flog the players for any fee offered. I still think we are a mess, but a better mess now thanks to MC and a investor might be more interested as a result (not sure if this will happen though) I think on the whole MC has been badly treated and under appraiciated.

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11 Feb 2016 15:22:41
BW, not that I don't agree that the squad is better (but smaller) under MC than Bates, your term 'wildly improved' must have some correlation to league position also. Until we are top ten and beyond we should reserve plaudits. Apologies for nit picking BW but your statements can be sweeping at times however that should not curb your enthusiasm.

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11 Feb 2016 15:46:41
yeah ok notts I agreed with your post. wildly improved may bit a bit of a wild statement. so can't not really argue with that can I? I do have to disagree with my statements being sweeping though can I honestly say in my whole entire life I have never done anything as bold or daft as to make sweeping statment ever. EVER! :)

I do think the squad is quite a bit better from one bates left to one now particually in age (which is important going forward) remember we do have one of the youngest starting 11 in the league compared to dad's army which was our staple diet under NW and KB

just to compare a few Paddy fat pants kenny (105 years old and 73 stone) to Slivestri (no good on crosses but shot stops like a cat ninja) , cook mowatt diaoagoraaagagahahaha over brown norris green austin tounge, taylor bellischi (who I don't like) cooper brardi bamba over Pearce dury perltier bromby and Dallas and craoyal over White hall. and then wood ant over morrision smith (who I liked) el hag douf (who was 200) and mccorkmac (great player) .

Only mccormack would really make the team today really maybe couple of others on bench but on the whole we are a lot better just need to gel and click (been saying that for a while though)

would like to finish this post with MC is the greatest chairman ever (ok maybe a bit of a sweeping statement)

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11 Feb 2016 15:59:20
Fair enough ;)

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11 Feb 2016 07:09:23
Here's my thoughts.
I reckon Celinio is selling up! The reason I think this is that firstly the money from Byram shows a good cash flow. Secondly he hasn't spent anything which links into the first one keeping wages suppressed. Thirdly he kept the assets like cook etc (looks good on paper) . fourthly this rule K that he has with the football league leads me to think he has come up with an agreement with them that they do nothing as he is actively seeking a buyer and with him banned this would be detrimental to the sale. They then get rid of him like they wanted.
Your thoughts
Dougie2310.

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11 Feb 2016 09:00:31
I would probably agree with that theory. I also think that the fact Evans has been so mixed in his comments recently shows that he has no commitment from Cellino on his future, and will probably move on if the club is sold.

I'm undecided on whether Cellino should stay or go. I'm grateful for some of the stuff he's done since taking over, however on the other hand would like an owner who doesn't make stupid decisions, comments, and who gives managers a fair chance.

We should all remember though that the grass isn't always greener on the other side, and that's why I'm unsure.

I wonder if us fans should put more pressure on Cellino again to see how he reacts.

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11 Feb 2016 09:22:39
agree with the above, think Parkin would be a step forward. Cellino just keeps getting stuck in cack every which way he turns and every thing he does. Do not think he fully understands how English football and the media works. He thought he could run the club just like Cagliari in Italy. The quick way to sort Leeds out was to throw loads of money at it, which he does not appear to want to do or cannot afford, GFH need to be gone also.

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11 Feb 2016 10:03:33
agree with all the posts, I don't mind MC but would of course prefer someone not in the media all the time also of course someone with more money would always be good. GFH has to go hard to move forward with an anchor holiding the club back. If MC does go it would be mixed as please for what he did and grateful for many things but always could of been a lot better.

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11 Feb 2016 13:02:41
I have been read with interest BW and while I do agree with a lot of what you say using GFH as an excuse as to why Cellino hasn't moved the club forward s'nt really valid . They bought the club from Bates who was just slowly destroying the club, we then realise through lack of maybe football acumen, ie not knowing how to run a football club. They were not as rich as we would have liked to believe . They sell a share to Cellino who turns out to not be much different, making false promises and delivering nothing, maybe because he hasn't got the money to invest that we hoped he had, changing and draining club funds in managers he's still paying off through his trigger happy attitude . How in effect is the club better off than with GFH? Having them to blame appears an easy cop out to me, or are they to blame for Cellino's hair brained idea of recruiting and firing all them managers which he still has to pay wages to, up to this day all the pay offs probably would have equated to 1 decent one, and his player recruitment policy of 2nd rate players in the development squad or sent back after a disastrous loan spell, leaving the club Still wasting money, how are GFH to blame for that, explain?

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11 Feb 2016 13:08:26
Makes total sense Dougie. Don't know anything about Parkin, so no axe to grind there, although if he's worth 40 million, then he's going to need to be able to raise a lot more cash.
Plus, he's a Leeds United supporter, so he's part of the family already.

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11 Feb 2016 14:02:17
Could be some credence to this theory. But what would stop MC bluffing his way out of this. Finding a buyer would take time,so would they want updates on any development? Not really sure I would be happy with the football authorities knowing all our business. Cellino denied rumours of a take over the other day. Maybe this was what the cryptic one was talking about. On the plus side they would be able to do there test on any potential purchaser.

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11 Feb 2016 14:43:16
you raise some good points Raggity i'm glad to say why I think what I said. Firstly the blame on the clubs plighted sits on Risdales door and all thoes on the board. Their stupid attitude to money and players nearly killed the club. Then bates took over with a view to rape us, no other way about that selling assest not reinvesting and milking the club. When we come up we had a good squad and good manager and should of gone up but bates single handedly made sure that didn't happen. Then I feel GFH as still a massive anchor on this club, because they own a stake yet clearly do not want to invest and just take a little and tidy profit every quarter. How does this hold back MC? Imagine running a business where you want to move forward but one major shareholder stop this, they do not want investment, they do not want ground and TA back. So when you try and invest it is held back, when you want to move forward the cost falls on your door yet the porfits will still partly go out of the door.

How is MC not like GFH, well firstly he has put into the club, loan or not he has given money to make the club better, he has said no to bids for players (some thing no other chairman has done since 2004) so it is nice to know someone will put this playing staff before their own bank balance. Gfh also have never run a club successfully (unlike MC) they have never shown any passion (misplaced or not) .

I agree with MC's hiring policy to management some where beyond bad, some where misplaced and some have wasted money. This approach does work at other clubs (watford and even Lesciter to an extent) but it sadly has not worked for us and I don't personally approve but it is his style not down to lack of passion or for distain for the club that MC made these moves which makes him wildly different. If you do not agree about GFH or anyone who doesn't agree but they are thinking about doing up their home. I will happily put 25% of mortgage and own 25% stake in house. I insist you pay all of the bills and front all of the improvement costs, however I do want my 25% profit on the increase of price on the house when it sells.

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11 Feb 2016 15:19:58
Well said Raggity. These are the points that most of is can see. BW, Cellino know from the off, as did the rest of us, that GFH would become a sleeping partner (no not like you and Speedy) in the business. If this was not the deal MC entered into, lawyers would be involved. Cellino not doing DD, is his own fault. Who puts £30 million into a business without knowing what debts, unpaid bills or how much you need to pay the rent. Buying GFH'S shares will not get rid of them, we owe them £20.9 million
Anyone wanting to buy the club needs to buy MC share, 30 million plus his loan, over £10 million. GFH shares and their loan. So about £80 million. All this for a club with £49 million in debt, who don't own their ground or training ground.

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11 Feb 2016 15:28:59
BW, why do you think MC has not bought GFH out? Assuming he has the cash and that they would be willing to sell, and assuming that he has not already tried. They are a hindrance to the club but we also appear to be the perfect excuse not to progress.

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11 Feb 2016 15:51:40
sleeping partner these guys are in a f""""king coma (love that film and that speech got me into drama school) I agree about DD and sleeping partner etc but that doesn't excuse them for their actions nor does it not make them a hindrance. you can not wipe off GFH with you knew they would be a problem and an achor on the club there for they are not a problem or anchor on the club. If leeds were a country we'd be Greece and any business in trouble will need help and often be given help that is not that helpful as people know they are in trouble (why pawn shops and loans sharks pray on weak and make money) so we were always going to be in this postion but MC didn't get us in this debt risdale did, MC didn't get involved with GFH bates did. MC is trying to do his best with other peoples mistakes while making a couple of his own main one being manger choices and quick changes but still don't understand some logic on these posts?

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11 Feb 2016 16:59:14
also notts I think GFH are reluctant sellers I think they want far more than what their share is worth without that I think they are happy to be a blood sucking leech. Mc must want to buy them out as it would be easy to sell with out them their. could well be mc is hiding behind them as an excuse but I don't think that makes sense and is not his style going on his past club. however as you may of realised this is just guess work as I do not know the insides so this is more gut than me being in the know, just in case anyone thought I was on the board.

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11 Feb 2016 20:17:19
Interesting that Parkin has sold a lot of shares don't you think!
Is there credence to my theory!

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11 Feb 2016 20:43:06
I think its fair to say that GFH should never have bought the club, they did so as an investment and quickly realized it was a mistake as they'd need a sh! t ton of cash for there investment to work out so plan B is sell 75% to some one who will put up the money. Now they're happy to sit on there 25% stake forever and a day if that's what it takes until we get back PL status, then they'l sell up because there share will be worth more and they'v done there job as an investment bank.

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