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11 Jan 2021 21:01:34
Thoughts with Sol Bamba and his family this evening, very sad.
11 Jan 2021 21:25:10
Yes, very sad news. Hopefully his treatment goes well.
11 Jan 2021 22:14:52
All the best to sol and his family mot.
11 Jan 2021 19:42:29
Edmondson returns from his loan with Aberdeen after failing to make much impact. Furure not looking too bright at the moment.
11 Jan 2021 19:40:24
Our game against Soton may be postponed due to their FA Cup fixture needing to be rescheduled.
12 Jan 2021 09:42:46
Well it certainly isn’t our FA cup fixture 😂.
11 Jan 2021 19:37:28
Agree that Rico Henry would be a good signing.
11 Jan 2021 18:54:19
If we get a new Pablo my vote, and all my hope, goes to Riqui Puig. The boy is pure class. Looks not dissimilar to Leonel in his play. Makes things happen and is totally the right age. Trained at La Masia from 14 so quite a pedigree.
12 Jan 2021 00:15:16
We need more steel, would prefer Pulgar personally.
12 Jan 2021 09:43:40
Haven’t seen either play but other than leaking information about the 1st team, that Barcelona kid seems to be very very highly rated.
11 Jan 2021 15:56:33
Reading lots of wat we need, players etc etc
People mentioning Henderson GK back up and Rice not a chance on earth of either.
We only have 1 loan option, (unless we buy Harrison) , after our record with Loan players not being played will struggle to attract quality,
Or managers letting them come, Pep would but we have a Man Citeh player, would Poch loan us a AMid, they seem to have an abundance at PSG, would Klopp?, who knows
Probably get no one, so not holding my breath.
Is Orta buying who Bielsa wants?,
11 Jan 2021 16:36:17
richiem we can be sure of one thing, orta is buying who belisa wants. if not he would walk
we know that belisa said I will stay if we get cover for Pablo. they offered a few options and belisa chose costa. belisa said this himself
orta getting the blame again in certain segments of the fans but our teflon gaffer remains unquestionable.
11 Jan 2021 17:11:48
Berm Kiko is an Orta pick and Bielsa was foolish enough to agree to it.
11 Jan 2021 18:13:28
I blame Bielsa entirely for getting us to 12th in the Prem. BIELSA OUT!
11 Jan 2021 18:19:42
Still blood on both hands am I right same with Costa (who I like and rate to be honest)
Who is more foolish the fool or the fool who follows the fool?
11 Jan 2021 18:46:10
Hope we are still saying that come may danum I think we could well free fall.
11 Jan 2021 18:49:36
Bermo, no of us is foolish. Neither Bielsa, who is our most successful manager for a long time, or those of us who enjoy the ride
But neither are you, with your glass half empty and your fixation on just one player in a team of eleven
We are all just Leeds fans, thro thick and thin
I understand you worrying about our current manager not having a plan B, but did Review have one, did Wilkinson have one, did Graham have one, or did O'Leary have one? I can tell you now that Allardyce does not have a plan B nor does he want one. As far as I can see you hire a manager and you hire his philosophy. Ours is attack as the best form of defence. So far, without both international centre backs who were signed as improvements for the Premier League, this is an evens call (30 goals for and 33 against) . Let not be too preemptive and see how the season progresses. At the moment Struick, who hardly got a game in the Championship is in the thick of it, so once we up the ability in that area will we decrease the goals against column.
And as you know, I would prefer a young England international as our CDM rather than this absolute whippet that you have in mind but as yet not given us a name (and be serious, we can't afford Rice etc)
11 Jan 2021 19:30:33
Nice Star Wars quote there Bermo.
11 Jan 2021 22:18:39
Sometimes, you just have to play the role of a fool to fool the fool who thinks he is fooling you.
11 Jan 2021 22:23:03
You know me Alf the force is strong with this one!
My Alex my comment on who is more foolish Is not about us as the fan base but belisa and Orta. Orta is getting lot of flack for signings but belisa ok the signings as well
So if Orta is poor for singing players so is belisa for agreeing them.
You raise a good point about plan b. All managers have there favoured style however most good managers can adapt and have game management
Knowing belisa now as well as I did I can’t work out why he spends so long scouting other teams as he does the same thing regardless he can not adapt at all and has no game management. Wilko was great at going for the win or going for the closing up shop two things belisa can not do
Belisa is plan a and then plan b is try plan a again.
11 Jan 2021 22:59:43
BW. Do you really think we won't get another 15 points between now and the end of the season. It's usually about 34/ 35 points gets you relegated. WE AIN'T GOING DOWN! 😂.
11 Jan 2021 14:55:16
U 23s looking impressive today. So many looking good. Hard to pick a standout. Hope they can keep it second half.
11 Jan 2021 16:03:09
That was a great watch some fab performances and brilliant football at times in a 4-1 win nice hatrick from Jimmy Summerville) too.
11 Jan 2021 18:20:28
Be nice to see some of these great prospect make the first team soon.
11 Jan 2021 18:52:27
We are in the 2nd division of the U23 league. Our youngsters are doing well at that level.
We have just seen the step up needed even for League 2.
Can we not just allow them the develop rather than make each one the second coming.
11 Jan 2021 19:06:59
I agree Axe, it's something about the English psyche. National team, two wins and we are World up favourites. Maybe so desperate for success and many a dreamer. I think Crawley showed that there is still a lot of learning to do and the step up is one giant leap for mankind. Let's stop, take a deep breath and wait for our young guns to slowly learn their trade.
Obviously there is the chance that one will will push thro, grab his chance and take the Prem by storm but that is a rarity and a huge, huge bonus.
11 Jan 2021 19:31:46
I still think that the U23s as a full team would have beaten Crawley but mixing and matching is much tougher.
11 Jan 2021 22:34:27
Alf, whilst agreeing with your idea that a purely U23 team would have probably put up a more cohesive display against Crawley, I can't get past the fact that Crawley were a team of men whilst our U23s are still growing both physically and mentally. They would just not have been strong enough.
That is not me being harsh on those lads, if they were ready for League 2 standard football then they would all be out on loan at the moment getting experience. As it is only the top ones from last year (Gotts, Stevens, McAlmont and Edmondson) have been loaned out so far.
11 Jan 2021 13:28:48
WARNING! Please do not get ripped off like I have been.
Mrs Class was kind enough to purchase for me for Christmas the dark navy polo and training top. Arrived very promptly, before Christmas on 22 December was great 👍
Now i’m not expert on modern fibres or how they react, but I did note these are listed as ‘Clima Cool’ so I can only summarise that this cold spell of weather PLUS the Clima Cool has SIGNIFICANTLY contracted the material.
Both barely fit now, my daughter said it looked a little like rolled pork tied in string, crazy.
Have raised the issues with Leeds but sadly no replies to date and doesn’t look like much hope for a refund.
So if anyone else has bought these tops please ensure you store them in a WARM place as it appears once the cold hits it’s irreversible.
What was wrong with 100% cotton?
11 Jan 2021 13:35:46
Funny you should say that as ALL my clothes must have contracted with the cold over the Christmas period ;-)
11 Jan 2021 14:43:23
Have you checked the figures on your bathroom scales? You might find that the problem is right in front of your waistline.
11 Jan 2021 15:23:20
Cold seems to have affected those too mate, crazy.
11 Jan 2021 16:19:44
Probably Class can't see the dials when he is on the scales.
11 Jan 2021 17:06:44
I can if I kneel on them Leo.
11 Jan 2021 19:32:43
My scales don't work properly, when i step on the digital readout just says 'one at a time please'
11 Jan 2021 13:25:11
Victor Orta give your head a big, big, big shake re Calamity Kiko
One of the worst signings ever and biggest waste of salaries in the history of Leeds United, certainly in the past 50 years I have been supporting Leeds
Victor, you should terminate Kiko's contract, pay him off, he must never play for Leeds 1st team again. ADIOS Kiko.
And Victor please get in an experienced COMPETENT gk this time in Jan window.
11 Jan 2021 14:36:47
Orta couldn't find his backside with both hands. Chances of him being lucky enough to find another food keeper after the Messlier gamble worked out are between slim and none.
11 Jan 2021 15:43:52
Wats he got left on his contract 2 and a half years, 40k a week, wats that about 1.2 million, absolutely disgusting, over him 200000 to walk away and give 1000000 to a charity.
11 Jan 2021 16:26:17
40Ka week equates to £2 million a year
well done Orta.
11 Jan 2021 19:02:28
Wow, give your heads a shake
When we got him it was a huge statement of intent. I remember how good I felt when I heard that we had signed a Spanish international goalkeeper, played for Real Madrid, won the Champions League. We had the best player in the Championship at that moment.
Just think how much experience he can give to our youngsters
Just think how good Meslier must feel about himself and his ability when he thinks how he keeps a CL winner out of the side.
Totally agree that we haven't seen the best of Casilla, but a lot of you guys just love the point out the bleedin obvious. We don't know what this guy is giving behind the scenes.
Orta found us Meslier, Koch, Llorente, Rodrigo, Bamford, Harrison, Gelhardt, etc so unless your prepared to write about those guys too, why write about one player and dismiss him for that transfer?
11 Jan 2021 19:33:44
CL winner, Real Madrid experience all very misleading. He warmed the bench - nothing more.
11 Jan 2021 19:36:08
Medli3r has done well, Koch the jury is out, Llorente has played 1 game so hardly set ER alight, Rodrigo hasn't really impressed so far, Harrison inconsistent at best, Gelhardt hasn't even played for the first team and Bamford just about cane good after 3 years working with Bielsa. Hardly a wonderful record so far axe mate.
11 Jan 2021 19:59:17
Axe we heard those 2 words Real Madrid
We got excited for a few days
then realised why he was not even their 2nd choice gk but 4th choice when we saw him play.
. the guy is an imposter purporting to be a gk
and Orta is an absolute fool for signing him on a 4 year deal for £ 2 million a year
Absolutely abominable signing
Now give your head a thorough shake Axe lad.
11 Jan 2021 22:27:33
True Ortas record for singing players has certainly gone down hill since belisa arived maybe belisa can’t pick a player or maybe belisa has managed to shot the confidence of a champs leauge player and Spanish international we will never know. maybe the tactics are just flawed.
12 Jan 2021 05:51:09
0 was pants then too . Felix Wieldwald, Pavel. Cilbliki, Lauren. de Bock etc.
11 Jan 2021 12:02:31
I wonder if we will actually see Tomori? It we were to buy him today, experience tells us that Bielsa will school him for a few weeks before releasing him. By that time, hopefully Llorente and maybe even Koch will be ready. Even if he puts him straight in (highly doubtful) he will probably only get 2 months of games before being made redundant. This makes no sense at all to any party.
11 Jan 2021 12:46:01
Hard to argue with that logic leo pal!
11 Jan 2021 13:18:54
Tomori is a non starter. not a chance he is coming to Leeds.
11 Jan 2021 13:19:14
Yes presuming that Llorente doesn't get crocked again which he might. wouldn't it be better to have back up?
11 Jan 2021 11:36:42
Desperately need:
GK (eg Henderson)
Centre Back on loan
Left back on loan option to sign
Ideally also a Creative centre mid that can put ball in the back of net and take over from Pablo.
Sadly. am only hearing flakey rumours about left D.
As ever. I’d say there’s no point adding players for numbers . got to be quality. But based on yesterday, the squad is too thin on “sufficient” quality as demonstrated by the Crawley debacle.
By the way. I don’t usually criticize Bielsa. but yesterday’s outing was a complete brain fart by MB.
The confused team in second half after the substitutions displayed “over confidence” in the the teams ability to beat and organized second div side and and over confidence in the the young players to play amidst that confusion. their confidence will have taken a beating.
No won wins with what MB did. except Crawley. and our opponents in the Prem who will dance in the dent this will have put in the team’s heads.
11 Jan 2021 12:21:23
Can't say I disagree with our wants Toro. Certainly a LB is a must (can't see past Rico Henry) The Mid is more of a problem. Attributes required are; box to box, 90min engine, magic feet, quick brain all that and 12+ goals a season. They are out there, showing huge potential; gamble! or cost more than we an afford. Even the unproven ones do not come cheap. CB on loan comes with it's own problems as we have to find someone of quality, ready made to start tomorrow but will be happy to stand aside come Feb/ Mar. GK is a quandary to we go for first choice and possibly stunt Mesliers progress. To me the lad has done nothing much wrong and on many occasions, saved us. If looking for a back up then we have to evaluate the progress of Miazek and Caprile before we buy. Certainly a bucket load of problems hopefully they are being addressed as we type. I would love to hear us tie down at least the first problem before January is out.
11 Jan 2021 12:46:54
Creative mid for. me we lack a skillful playmaker desperately.
11 Jan 2021 13:18:12
We need a cm for sure painfully thin in the midfield
We need an experienced competent back up gk number
Just pay Kiko off and terminate his contract
Leo, pretty sure Miazek has left Leeds last summer
I am not expecting Leeds to sign anyone for the first team ;but you never know Orta and Bielsa might just surprise us.
11 Jan 2021 13:25:27
Yes one of the issues yesterday was that we created nothing at all.
11 Jan 2021 18:21:22
We don’t have trouble scoring but we have trouble defending
Left back and proper defensive mid.
11 Jan 2021 09:46:14
Beat me to it Martyn or what about Chris Wilder?
I am complete opposite of Berm but have said many times I think Berm is just as passionate supporter as me or indeed any of us.
Phillips does have his flaws and Berm is absolutely correct that his lack of pace is generally the cause of the majority of the errors he makes.
But to keep going on about lack of English nous against English teams doesn’t add up.
The players we all would of have played above Declan Rice are the ones we already own already in Llorrente and Koch.
Until such time as we actually put our best team out we cannot say we cannot deal with these types of teams.
This year we’ve beaten both Burnley and the Blunts who play the most direct English way.
I agree with Berm that our young keeper is as good a prospect as any in Europe just now and i’m sure he will look even better protected by Koch and Llorente
Luckily because of Bielsa we don’t have to play Ipswich Wigan etc in the league anymore.
And West Ham Betm is correct did a job on us not because Moyes is a tactical genius he admitted afterwards they never even practiced set pieces, they beat us because we could not compete with them in the air. maybe with Koch and Lorente we could?
And who else could bielsa have played that night, possibly Struick.
Finally, the majority of the criticisms yesterday were directed at Bielsa, Orta what about the players?
I always say i’ll back any Leeds player if they play for the shirt. but that was non existent yesterday, Pablo worked harder in his cameo against Spurs than in ninety minutes against Crawley.
Watch the game again there wasn’t one crunching tackle from us. Where was the passion who was driving us forwards?
Whilst Jenkins and Casey may regret not making a better go of their opportunity yesterday what about Kelvin and Pablo’s (that keeper) accountability?
Why are people not highlighting the complete absence of passion and fight from whomever wore the Leeds shirt yesterday?
As Berm will almost certainly agree you have to match these type of teams for fight and effort and passion before you even start with tactics.
Yes Blunts, Fulham, Brighton all progressed with their full teams into the next round of the cup only time will tell if that was a good result for them or not.
You’ve told me before Berm it’s a business it will be interesting to see if a little more FA cup revenue sees these teams place at risk the premier league survival.
11 Jan 2021 12:44:36
Very good post class
Agree due to belisa lucky we don’t have to play teams like Wigan however when we do (Crawley in cup) expect to get beat
As mentioned we did Burnley but they got a good goal ruled out and Sheff Utd took two wonder saved from our keeper for the points. We were lucky in both and against two teams who were and or are still struggling
Interesting you mention fight I agree and does this also come from the manager, can he inspire players? Can he get the fight?
Even with Kiko on his day great shot stopper but also mental and a liability, should belisa not be able to read the player and decide if to pick or not? Clearly Kiko not in right frame of mind
All of the players were accountable yesterday, I think they also showed no fight or passion against spurs and went through the motions
I just honestly miffed more heat and questions are not chucked at belisa. Like all Leeds fans I can see belisa a great quailties and football belisa brings but unlike most Leeds fans I think he is equally accountable for Leeds failings on the pitch and think it is predictable And easy to see.
11 Jan 2021 13:33:57
I think as a manager you have to give players who cost big bucks and who are on big wages opportunities or you risk friction with the board. Casilla is one such and Costa another but they are both hopeless. Costa just doesn't look interested at all and provides very little in terms of opportunities or goal threat. Maybe its too cold for him. If experienced players such as these ding provide leadership on the pitch the of course we will lack passion. Hernandez now in decline sadly. I don't think he can provide what we need any longer.
11 Jan 2021 16:38:09
not sure about Kiko but belisa has to give costa a chance as it was belisa who asked for him as part of the deal to stay on last year as manager.
11 Jan 2021 07:39:23
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11 Jan 2021 04:45:29
Berm said in a post of earlier Bielsa couldn't find an answer to English football? He has got us promoted and to 12th in the premier league . We have ground out many results in the championship to win promotion and we have beaten Burnley and West Brom recently with out conceding a goal who played with very English style managers .
11 Jan 2021 11:02:33
Is that the West Brom that took a point of Klopps team at home, the same team that let in 7 against villa - best start dissecting his style too.
11 Jan 2021 11:07:51
He can’t find an answer to English football
Burnley- they got a perfectly good goal disallowed had that counted like it should who knows
West Brom- big sam been in charge for five minutes so not really his team. They played under slaven billic for ages and in championship played progressive attacking football most of the time
The English game is very European our results against Everton city and Liverpool show we can mix it with the best when playing this European style opposition
We lost to palace and West Ham both of whom do have English style managers And to an extent lesciter although like Utd there style is more European
Don’t confuse location with style. In the championship and now prem. if the opposition want to play football like I Europe we will give them a game and probably win
However even if they have crap players in they play in the old fashioned English way they will beat us
Wigan twice, qpr, Ipswich, millwall number of times, Cardiff under Harris hull. now Crawley the list goes on and on. It is not a fluke it is a pattern that no one can dispute
When a team is physical, sits back, plays for set plays or counters on the break 99 times out of a 100 we struggle and lose. This is not luck it’s because as I said belisa struggles and can’t work out how to beat the proper English game.
11 Jan 2021 11:44:28
Please explain exactly what you mean by the English way berm.
I think the big Sam comparison comes from when he himself called it a “masterclass” you can’t one game claim they played exactly how you’ve taught them and the next blame the previous manager. If he doesn’t get across what he wants early then maybe he needs a better way of explaining it to his players.
Livingstone have won their 1st 8 games under their new manager, is he just reaping the rewards from the manger who left them dead bottom on 6 points? Around 10 points from safety?
If big sam gets relegated does he get a “get out of jail” free card or is it because he wasn’t good enough?
If they end up in Europe come the end of the season, is he the greatest manger ever? You simply can’t have it both ways.
Bielsa came in and Leeds finished around 12th
Season 1 play off
Season 2 champions
Season 3 . looking like safety
Regardless of what style (European / English / South American ) if he progress and the team progress surely it’s the correct way?
If a manger comes in and leaves the team in a far better position than when he started, then for me that is a successful manager.
No manager has a 100% success rate who completes a full season. No mangers style beats every style every game. Otherwise we would all play that style.
I know there is no right or wrong with opinions so I’m not saying anyone is,
I just don’t understand your obsession with managers that simply win nothing.
11 Jan 2021 16:51:31
when I say English football I am mean the football from 60's to mid 90's this was English football before forgein players and managers swamped the game as they do now
charatristics than make up Berm's idea of an English team include one or more of the following
1. sit deep and defend, attacking is secondary to defence
2. no tippy tappy, other teams are broken down by direct football (think wilko, arsenal under graham, Man Utd under fergie)
3, if not good enough for direct attack play hoof ball is the method of attack (think Neil Harris teams)
4. big imposing players and strength is favoured over technique and skill
5. importance is placed on organisation and set plays
if this is an English team it is not up for debate 95% of the time belisa plays one his team suffers. It is not about the leeds 11 or the standard of the opposition. it is quite simply belisa's game plan doesn't suit this type of game
as a result we have lost to a plefera of weaker and very poor teams
opinions is one thing but this is fact. we have done almost every time
progression is progression and leeds have progressed under belisa. however in some areas we have not progressed at all. in some areas we are worse than when belisa arrived.
now I ask the following
1. if we as leeds fans need to respect the progress can we not also question the lack of progress in other areas?
2. for 100 million have we progressed enough
3. is our defending set plays acceptable
4. is the fact we only have one plan acceptabl
5. is it ok that against certain types of teams we will always struggle
6. is it ok that other managers can pick Belisa game plan apart to beat us
7. and most importantly how much more can we progress under this stubborn and narrow minded manager?
as for my obsession with managers that simply win nothing it is very simple and easy for anyone to understand
history remembers the winners. style means nothing. in 90-91 Liverpool played the better football but arsenal won the league despite playing awful football. that is what history remembers
however this said very few can win, even fewer are in a position to win
so I respect those who get the best out of the team they have. If Fulham or West Brom stay up, for me that will be a far better achievement than Liverpool winning the league. due to circumstance. crawly beating us is a bigger achievement that city winning the f. a cup.
I respect those who consistently do better than they should. this is simple
big sam, Wilde, dyce, Mourinho, fergie, wilko, norwich gaffer and old hudds boss, Warnock are all managers that for me have done this over the course of there career
revie won more than wilko but for me revie should of won more than he did, wilko shouldn't of won what he won. so for me wilko did better for leeds than revie did considering the hands they were dealt.