Leeds Banter Archive May 11 2018

 

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11 May 2018 20:58:27
Edmondson. Nearly 17, but not quite. His post match interview shows him to be a man above his years. Very mature, level headed, and proud. Well done lad!

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11 May 2018 22:32:19
Yea well done big un. Keep up the hard work and it will pay off for you

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11 May 2018 23:05:41
The lad has earned his chance for a pre season with the first team squad. If your good enough you are old enough, remember Milner coming through as a youngster, he's not had too bad a career.

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12 May 2018 09:09:02
He showed a coolness beyond his years when scoring, by taking the keeper out with his first touch. He could have hit it first time but knew if he put the keeper on his backside he would have a tap in. I think he has a big future. (Hopefully starting August 2018) 😀

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12 May 2018 10:36:26
Good on the lad. He showed some of our so called strikers how it's done.

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12 May 2018 16:27:02
I remember Milner at 16, too young to play in the UEFA Cup !

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12 May 2018 16:34:24
Very impressed with his game at such a young age, and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders too.

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12 May 2018 21:17:01
Rooney was 16 when he made his debut. If there good enough there old enough

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13 May 2018 20:41:18
I saw Rooney play when he was 16, he was nowhere near as big as Edmondson

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11 May 2018 17:29:35
2 bits of good news, lassoga says goodbye to Leeds and Pennington signs a new deal at Everton. Thanks for their efforts at times, but time for us to look at better for next season.

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11 May 2018 18:35:27
Now they will go on to flourish for someone else

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11 May 2018 18:37:48
Hi. How reliable is / are the source (s) ? Sounds like a great salary budget reduction to me. Superb, if true.

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11 May 2018 19:02:19
As both loan players, Pennington signs new Everton contract, they either believe he will improve and one for their future of they have give him a new contract to push up his price should we have been interested in signing him. For me didn't think he was that good to be honest. Lassoga never worth the alleged 50k wages, he was good for a spell but didn't seem interested at times

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11 May 2018 20:09:44
Everton are welcome to him, they can't have bothered to watch his games for Leeds. Then again I'm biased, I think he is s***e, just like O'Kane.

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11 May 2018 20:10:41
Neither of them were good enough like several others who we need rid of.

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11 May 2018 21:01:10
But typically, you can guarantee they go off and shine elsewhere. They didn't perform for us, but they're going back to top league teams?

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12 May 2018 02:31:55
Good riddance to both. Poor players. No pride.

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11 May 2018 16:49:41
If the young kids are as good as some say, and I think they are, then do we need to buy big for the future? I am thinking the likes of McBurnie. He is young and would not be cheap and would require a lengthy contract. This would then stifle the emergence of some of our young ones. Could lead to a situation where we sell, probably for peanuts, a player who will one day play Internationally and as well return to Elland Road and score against us. Out there we must be able to nearly field a full team who we have let go cheap over these turbulent years.

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11 May 2018 21:06:01
You're right in many ways Leodis, but I think it's too soon for the youngsters to play a full season, so we need a few signings with experience to lead from the front. I think we will will get a few this summer.

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12 May 2018 07:19:12
McBurnie was poor when he played against us. Looked frail with no pace. Wouldn't be able to lead the line.

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12 May 2018 17:21:35
Just what I mean Brighty, How about a Defoe type to share with Edmondson/ Dalby/ Tyler. Defoe on a short contract would extend a 35 year olds working life and be perfect for our short term needs.

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11 May 2018 16:36:00
It's a pity Huth and Bartley are injury prone and/or getting on a bit. Both good enough players but will they play?

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11 May 2018 19:38:14
Maybe we should buy both if we get 15 games each out of them we have a few good young CBs who would benefit from some experience around.

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12 May 2018 16:30:30
Huth is past it, 33yo and didn't play last season, Barts is 26 and, AFAIK has only had a couple of injuries last season, other than that no probs.

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11 May 2018 14:28:04
2-0 musn't grumble. Been a good run out for some of the youngsters and shown That Jay Roy Grot has it in the locker just needs to keep producing regularily. For me a keep but certainly would appreciate a loan out to a L1 club for a season. The young lad Edmundson did himself no harm in a good all around performance capped off with a well taken goal

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11 May 2018 14:54:18
Grot did really well in the development squad earlier in the season and was scoring goals then made the step back up to the first team and managed to get one but people are very impatient and don't realise that the step up can take time. unfortunately, since we don't really have decent striker he was often in a position when people demanded immediate impact but that rarely happens and that responsibility shouldn't really have been his.

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11 May 2018 15:02:44
Alf that was 10/10, if we had a strong proven striker and gave Grot a run out in the last 20 mins of games/cup games he would get hell of a lot less slack/pressure, unfortunate circumstances. He's only young, he's built like a brick shed and he clearly has potential. Definitely keep for the future.

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11 May 2018 17:42:32
Totally agree Alf and OLeary. the lad will develop more, but a good loan spell might work wonders for him!

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11 May 2018 11:58:37
I don't dislike the man Orta. He is probably/maybe a decent sort of bloke but the problem is the system, coupled with what seems the financial constraints. His position should be purely chief scout working for and under the Manager. He should merely be the mobile eyes of the boss but the type of player (maybe even the actual player) must be dictated by the boss. After all it's his head that rolls if it all goes belly up. As with any acquisition it is always a gamble and the less money the bigger the gamble. Players who have been ripping it up in a lower division have no guarantee of doing so in the Championship. Just so with the Juniors. The way is littered with young kids who, for one reason or another, never made the transition into big mans football. As such it may seem as though a little bit of praise is due for Mr Orta. I am nowhere near being his biggest fan but it seems as tho he is doing okay finding young gems to bring through to first team duty. Maybe, in a way it is just as good as finding a good old pro. If handled right a young kid will bring energy, commitment and desire and if 18ish will give you a long dedicated career. Being pragmatic he may also give you a massive profit if you decide to sell. So if we do see an influx of young guns next year. As for our part we must try to remember they are just young kids and as such some are quite brittle. They will have bad spells. They will have drop in form but let's not berate them too much. Would't it be good if, as well as the 3 who have come through this year, we see three more starting next season. Imagine that six young guns coming through the ranks and playing for our Leeds United. Personally I would be more than happy with four or five. Even happier, I suspect would be Mr Radz (and his bank manager) . Would it then not be a time to say well done Mr Orta. I can hear some doomsayers now "never happen! "

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11 May 2018 13:49:48
the problem is we won't know how good the youngsters are until they start coming through to the first team (or not) . so the jury will be out on that one for a while yet.

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11 May 2018 14:04:45
Leodis, you do like banging the drum for Orta, are you not really his biggest fan or PR man? . He has too much influence and regardless of one of two half decent players, he has brought in more of the useless kind and stuck them on long contracts. As you say he should be no more than a scout who answers to the manager not the tail wagging the dog.

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11 May 2018 14:51:07
Man U did it repeatedly with a base of younguns. Well done them. I suspect they didn’t have to buy 20 to do it. I suspect local guys and good coaching did it. What’s so hard for radz to get? Passion. Winter in uk. Champ football. It’s not wat foreigners are made of. 1-3 survive. Nothing against the players. It’s the retard hierarchy that need testing!

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11 May 2018 11:53:25
Krul, Joel ward, Stephen ward, Robert huth, Chris brunt James Morrison all out of contract in summer I believe ? I doubt they'd come to us or we would pay the wages to be honest but to me these are probably the sort of players we need to add to squad with the younger players coming thru

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11 May 2018 12:10:25
That's what I like to see mighty. Someone aiming higher

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11 May 2018 11:20:51
Not that we would be able to afford the wages but looking at free agents in the summer I'd take Tim Krul in goal Joel ward from palace Robert huth at centre back Chris brunt James Morrison from West Brom and Stephen ward left back from Burnley . that to me along with ayling pontus and the younger players Viera Phillips would give us a solid foundation

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11 May 2018 11:13:10
I think when we end up losing games to Myanmar, it's time to really think about the future of the manager and the transfer policy. Ian Holloway anyone?

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11 May 2018 11:29:50
No mighty, he's a great bloke but no better than what we already have

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11 May 2018 12:08:52
Mighty. As Hecky said this trip is not about football. How can you judge a team/Manager on games under such conditions with half the team missing. No, the only excercise here is flagwaving for Mr Radz. The football is just an add on. Having said that, what it is, is another chance for the young guns to catch the eye of Hecky, as Edmundson did Wednesday. So let's not criticise too much when you think 90 degrees, 80% humidity, time difference, wholesale changes at half time and some players in exhibition mode. Not wanting to get injured just before their summer hols. Let's just watch the game and see what some of our newbies have to offer.

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11 May 2018 12:51:11
I’m no fan of the heck but 100% agree with Leodis. Also take into account that many of the players played on Sunday too.

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11 May 2018 13:52:03
cant take anything from these Myanmar games. They won't prove anything in any way.

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11 May 2018 15:23:03
Interesting comment re. the games in Myanmar "wont prove anything". If Leeds won with blinding performances alftupper and the rest would be claiming sackingbottom was the new Messiah. My son is as blind re. Man. Utd. not winning the Premiership!

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11 May 2018 10:47:07
What times kick off today and does anyone know if it's been streamed?

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11 May 2018 11:16:40
Martyn, I believe 12.30, like Wednesday, but do check. I couldn't find a stream on Weds but LUTV were showing it free live so I just logged in and watched on my phone. Will just try again today.

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11 May 2018 11:30:25
Cheers pal

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11 May 2018 07:44:35
Good morning Gents, Another exiting day for us Leeds fans, Myanmar away FFS!

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11 May 2018 08:06:46
chalk up another loss for Hecky, he can break records too, but at the other end of the scale from Pep.

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11 May 2018 09:42:19
And another defeat most likely. Woooperderdee!

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11 May 2018 11:19:46
Irrespective of the score the win for all of us will come in the performance of the young guns. For example I am hoping young Edmundson carries on where he left off and helps solve our striking problem next season. Just hope nobody gets a bad injury.

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Review Of The Day 11th May 2018

11 May 2018 06:52:03
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 11th May 2018

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11 May 2018 04:37:38
So it's looking like the pessimists amongst us may have been right. Just want to begrudgingly commend George on a simple comment he made. We need to lower our expectations from wanting promotion all the time. It does seem like we will be setting the bar too high if we expect top 6 for the foreseeable future. I am surprised that a smart business man like radz who had 6 months to study Leeds and the championship before Massimo handed over, still got it so wrong. I really now believe that his 5 yr plan has gone pear shape. He obviously thought that a majority of the team we had with a few unproven new additions and a whole heap of youngsters was going to be enough for promotion. He has now seen that a majority of the players are not good enough and it will take a lot more than a sprinkling of youngsters to fix it. I'm thinking he will need min 3 quality players. A bang on experienced cb. Fast creative midfielder and pop em in striker. About $20 mill for the three. Selling 10% of shares I don't think is enough. And quite rightly where has rest of money for wood gone. What do they do with 30,000 gate revenue. When you look at the planning and budgeting for players and managers and scouts that must have been part of the 5 yr plan, it is hard to see that he got any part right. Putting players on long contracts so they can focus on their football has also back fired. Footballers turn into lazy bums when they are safe and secure. The only way forward for me would be to cut and run all the dross. Take a hit on transfer fee and just get rid. Trim squad to 15. Add 3 new ones and then filter younguns as and when. I don't have any confidence in radz or Orta and think things are going to get worse before better. I'm not sure without proper investment whether we can stay up next season. And I'm not sure even with investment heck is capable. So much to put right. It's a shambles.

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11 May 2018 07:33:38
Good post Ausman.

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11 May 2018 08:25:43
Day off Aus?

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11 May 2018 08:42:47
What is the 5 yr plan btw?

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11 May 2018 09:59:05
When an investment company tells you they have a five year plan it does not mean that is a plan to get us in the premier league. Aser buy companies to improve them financially and expect a return on the investment. Hence the quick aquisition of Elland Road so if it goes tits up they still have a prime piece of land near Leeds city center. Yes their investment would be worth a lot more in the Premiership but do not expect big money being invested to get there, hence the share sales. that's why we need shrewd and clued up people at the top scouting and prioritising where the money goes, which we do not have.

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11 May 2018 10:08:54
Why should we lower our expectations a legion of supporters deserve to be expecting promotion. We are not Chesterfield

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11 May 2018 10:41:33
Day off buddy? Lol

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11 May 2018 11:02:02
The 5yr plan was for Orta to buy 500 18 yr olds in the hope they turned out good enough to get us promoted within 5 yrs. don’t forever lower expectations. But for a yr or two or or. It has been known to reduce stress and make defeat after defeat after defeat slightly more bearable.

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11 May 2018 11:09:31
Well said wex

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11 May 2018 11:10:31
Are we still building a new training facility or sticking with Thorpe arch?

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11 May 2018 11:02:32
Very good post, I think a lot of us are on the same page. I said this last summer, hold out Radz will do a good job. The signings of Lasogga, Saiz, Hernandez's new contract, Alioski, Anita, Jansson permanently, all sounded good, however without Taylor wood and Barts, even Green, I think we forgot where our grounding was. Monk had compiled a good side, but too many of them were on loan, Radz had to tie up 6 or 7 to new deals last season and in my opinion managed to sign 3 of them, Jansson, Hernandez, and Vieira. that's not bad going considering he bought back the ground, and spent on new players too.

Yes they were mostly unproven bar Lasogga and Saiz at a good level, though I think letting T.C. axe green in pre season was the biggest mistake of all. T.C. did a good job on the whole, I think his record was about 48% wins at Leeds. Then January came and he threw another 10 million at the pot to try and recover what was slipping away. and for some reason their plan fell apart when they sacked T.C., as the togetherness broke down completely.

giving coops captaincy was a huge mistake, but I really do think that these are all learning curves for the men upstairs. Orta signed Edmondson, Vieira, ailing, Jansson, Hernandez (twice) to some pretty good contracts, its not always Orta's fault, he may have been blind sighted by agents who just wanted the best and the most money out of dross. Having said that, whys he in the scouting business if his network and research aren't good enough.

I think this summer they'll get it right, in terms of financing the club, media, even a couple of good transfers. the main thing about these two and Kinnear is that they listen to the fans, we needed a left back, they signed one, we needed a cm they signed one, so many of us called for T.C.'s head, he left. I think in the position we are in, yes were in trouble, I think with better quality players Hecky won't do too badly. I'm still not a fan though 4 in 16 is horrible to look at.

Its more about the players we keep, and how they adapt with who we bring in, rather than what went wrong. I won't be dwelling on last season as its done and finished, I think you'll see another few break throughs, and a good summer of recruitment, I just hope they realise that so many of the players need to leave Leeds.

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11 May 2018 13:54:32
Still looking at a new training facility i believe Martyn.

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11 May 2018 04:08:38
So. What would we as supporters had preferred? Radz spend the 20mil that he bought our ground back with, or spend the 20mil on players to maybe get promoted? Personally I would have targeted promotion then buy the ground back. But we don't know the full story. Maybe there was an add-on clause if we bought it back when we got into the Premiership. I am as disappointing as anyone with our situation, more so with our choice of manager/coach, dirty stinking rotten clueless twit and confessed Leeds hating 5hitbag F**kingbottom. I think (hope) that Radz has a plan, misjudged the difficulty of getting out last season, or trusted that Orta knew what he was doing. I am keeping the faith and everything crossed that the 10mil is spent wisely and we can hold our heads high again. Mot. (F**kingbottom out) .

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11 May 2018 04:51:41
That’s my thumbs down by the way. Bit over the top on manager I think and every body and their brothers Aunty and uncle were saying buy the ground back buy the ground back a year ago.

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11 May 2018 08:27:28
Bang on fred and that's my thumbs up

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11 May 2018 10:35:18
Me too very over the top. He's our mànager give him a chance with his own squad, I'm fed up with all the negativity on here, this will be a defining season for all i feel manager owner and Badon Powell (Orta chief scout) . Let them learn from last year invest in quality, spend well create a team ethic like I hate to say it "Cardiff" and then judge. I know we are sick of the merry go round but our owner has only been here 5 minutes, let's see this season.

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11 May 2018 11:35:07
Dougie you keep saying give him a chance with his own squad but it will never be his own squad while the club is being run this way. He's a coach and has no say in recruitment that's orta s job and the coach is there to coach whatever he's given.

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11 May 2018 13:57:13
The buy back option on ER had expired so I imagine if we had been promoted the price would have been higher as our means would have increased.

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11 May 2018 14:55:38
And it fails every time Martyn. Hardly heck’s fault mate. It’s the tossers above him who don’t get it

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11 May 2018 00:55:55
Martyn, I’m with you mate and in answer to the thumbs down brigade, I’ve never thumbs down any post in all the time I’ve been on here! Your posts are very true and honest mate, I can’t stand what’s happening at ER, Radz trying to raise money by selling shares, what on Earth is going on? Where’s the return from 30,000 plus nearly every home game?

Too many players on our books that shouldn’t be, and one big wage he pays should be stopped straight away and that’s Orta’s! Either Radz knows something we don’t about getting promoted or indeed his is a fantasist! Kind find much to be positive about for next season, you know we have only been finished a week and we have had The Myanmar scandal now Radz is saying he has to sell to raise money, FFS, will somebody give us Leeds supporters something to cheer about, after all without us what would you do!

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11 May 2018 07:40:28
It has always been the 6 million dollar question why nobody with dosh has ever fancied taking Leeds on. Unless Radz gets his finger out he will get us out of this Division, unfortunately the wrong way.

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11 May 2018 10:55:01
I think LUFCfev raises a good point about the real money owners staying away from Leeds. On paper, one city club, solid fan base but the real money has gone elsewhere. Until that changes, it’s going to be about spending wisely, growing the youngsters and finding the right manager who can work with what he has. That is definitely a work in progress! Hopefully the investment in the youngsters is and will produce some stars and the good thing about a 5 year plan is you can learn and adapt it in the early years. So we shall see.

Can’t see this coach going anywhere until he has had the first ten games of the new season. By then we will see what those spending our cash have learnt from the first 12 months. Let’s hope! On a lighter note, good to see Pablo still training at his local club, just up the road from me. Fed up with the baby crying?

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