Leeds Banter Archive September 11 2016

 

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11 Sep 2016 22:56:49
Is it stating the bl****** obvious to say that Monk will be gone by Wednesday if we don't win Tuesday? Unless a sale is going through and he's been promised the job, which I would doubt.

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12 Sep 2016 14:30:08
He needs to be gone win lose or draw, he must be the only one that can't see that Wood is a waste of space, and Silvestre is a etter keeper than Green, the are virtually all his players now and he can't get the best from them, playing players out of position doesn't help, heavily loaded with midfielders and short of quality strikers, new owners will undoubtedly bring a new manager in, but to have any chance of climbing the table we need shut now, Bruce would do fine, failin that Evans as a stop gap, enough is enough.

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12 Sep 2016 14:49:31
Don´t think so RIP. Stick to the startingline with 1-3 Changes. Kal, sacko and alex drops. Play Hernandez and dallas and Viera/ O´Kane. Good to have decent subs. But we need someone uupfront. Malik on the bench. Solly drops out.

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12 Sep 2016 15:14:11
I don't want to agree Speedy, but you're right. Celinio picked this man and gave him the funds (OK not mega money) , to carte blanche sign who he wants. 11 signings later including no end of midfielders and we still get out battled in the middle. I thought the O'Kane signing was pointless, but after Saturday I can't wait for his introduction. Monks post match interview was a disgrace. Adam Pope asked fair questions as a fan for the fans and to be responded to in the way he did lacks professionalism. Huddersfield didn't play well, in fact they didn't get out of second gear and all Monk could say post match was it should have been 0-0. Yeah maybe that's true, but would you have been happy with that?

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13 Sep 2016 00:52:05
Top post JT.

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13 Sep 2016 16:01:09
Think you all will be proven wrong already tonight.
Watch the slaughter and be proud.

MOT

Gary Pep Beattie rules and will stay on forever.

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11 Sep 2016 22:50:39
Got my bet on Leeds relegation took even money.

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12 Sep 2016 09:03:44
Why would you do such a thing? Are you hoping to cash out on this? If so your not a Leeds fan.

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12 Sep 2016 09:12:10
Got my bet on LU finishing top 6 this season. I still have the faith.

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12 Sep 2016 10:18:47
Well they do say love is blind Lucas :)

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12 Sep 2016 10:33:32
Lads. This ebo guy said the other day that"he doesn't even like Leeds and puts posts on just for reactions " so don't entertain the fool.

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12 Sep 2016 13:15:36
Quite right wex. You can def get 3/ 1 at least.

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11 Sep 2016 18:55:26
If Monk is sacked in the next few days, I would love to see Ryan Giggs (although I very much doubt it) take over. He seems to be looking for his first employment since he left Man U.

Also what about Tim Sherwood or Kenny Jackett (the ex wolves manager, I think that's his name)

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11 Sep 2016 19:11:09
Don't we have enough problems of our own?

Sorry, we need an experienced manager, that isn't going to happen while Cellino is still in charge.

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11 Sep 2016 20:15:26
Leeds, anything can happen with MC in charge - let's face it none of us know what's happening next especially MC. 🙄 MOT.

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11 Sep 2016 20:52:18
I've mentioned it before and I will throw it out there again Roy Keane.

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11 Sep 2016 21:17:39
Things are bad enough already Wex.

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11 Sep 2016 21:51:43
I think a new manager is our only hope of getting shut of Wood, why he keeps having him in the starting 11 is anybodys guess, if we performed like he does week in week out we would have been sacked weeks ago, and as an interim manager I would have Evans back, he would get more out of what we've got than Monk, and hopeully play players in their right position, last chance I think against Blackburn.

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12 Sep 2016 07:15:42
Elephant, I don't think Jackett would be a good fit. 😁.

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12 Sep 2016 09:34:53
I had high hopes when monkey came in, I thought a manager with Premier experience is sign of intent for progress, I'm not sure at all about Monk, clearly as said by others here managing in the championship is a different skills altogether.

If our next manager would just realise he picks the players to play in their right position and has a good plan B when we need to change the game to our advantage.

We have a reasonable squad if players are played to strengths and if we have a manager who has tactical nous in this league we will turn things around.

Monkey has to go because he's not the man to get us out of his managerial niavity.

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12 Sep 2016 10:31:37
Keane hell no, Jacket not the worst person or as above Evans back on rolling contract .
If, I repeat If M C sells (as if he don't no coach will last a whole season ) my choice once the dust settles would be Martin O'Neil .
Get rid of Green, Grimes, Taylor as he wants to go! and Wood .

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11 Sep 2016 18:30:58
Does anyone know for sure if the Redbull offer before was a genuine thing or just hearsay.?
Could they possibly return.

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11 Sep 2016 19:11:32
hopefully not.

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11 Sep 2016 23:09:34
I've never fully understood the opposition to Red Bull. I know they'd want to rename the ground etc, but they would throw money at us until we got promotion.

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11 Sep 2016 17:54:06
If I know Massimo like I think I know him, he's already been on the phone this morning with Mr S Evans.

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11 Sep 2016 21:19:49
So you and Massimo are close then Georgy?
And there is you giving Wex a hard time!

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11 Sep 2016 23:10:29
George, for probably the only time, I'm thinking you could be spot on.

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11 Sep 2016 23:13:29
you sound like jeff, i'm going to tell mick, he won't be happy when he gets in from spoons!

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12 Sep 2016 10:45:05
I would be if I was M C, why did we sign o'kane and ph if they are being played these are meant to be are experienced players, if I was paying there wages I would want an answer .
Also reading some posts re -Hockaday .
He never should have got coaches job but that shows M C can be gullible .
However I have to say that the players he was given was a real mix and mash and I believe anybody would have struggled to get a result .
It's been consistent thru out M C 's ownership that the team has been bolstered by academy players .

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11 Sep 2016 17:07:24
The problem arises that " if " weget rid of monk who? Would we get now? We running out of ideas and the squad we have assembled? What if new face dnt like what monk brought in? Mind u I think the squad is far stronger now if right man came in? I would have have Evans back? But I know a lot wouldn't?

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13 Sep 2016 00:53:50
I'd take him back Pete in heartbeat.

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11 Sep 2016 12:21:02
Monk was very put out when his (lack of) football philosophy was questioned. I feel he may have to changed his tactical approach away from 4-4-2 as it is not working and the utilisation of players in that system is confused. In the past posters on this site have called out for two strikers with wingers supplying however we have and continue to lose the midfield battle. Our wingers are hit and miss with the quality of ball into the box and our main target man cannot head a ball or trap a bag of cement. The use of two defensive midfielders has been a necessity to protect our leaky defence but that has left our strikers isolated and they generally have to deal with 30 yard passes lumped into them. Watching Mooy for Huddersfield yesterday showed what was missing in our team, a player who could dictate play and link the defence with attack. I believe we have that player in Hernandez but Monk seems reluctant to use him, which is confused as he brought him in to do that role. We need to go 4-2-3-1, play Hernandez as a No 10 behind Antonnson, drop Wood, bring Dallas back into the squad. I think Dallas and Hernandez have had enough rest and Monk needs to use them as he is running out of time.

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11 Sep 2016 14:51:59
Correct Notts but do you mind answering couple of questions?

These necessary changes are easy to see (especially dropping Wood) so why hasn't Monk made them yet? Why does it fall to an unpaid, anonymous yet intelligent poster on a blog website to announce these changes rather than from the manager who gets paid to make these decisions?

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11 Sep 2016 15:58:49
I sometimes appear harsh but I have seen quotes about Wilkinson and Hockaday recently and have to think Monk falls into the Hockaday style - namely Clueless

I don't want Evans back but Monk is fast appearing to look like a chancer.

Something needs to happen and soon, or we will struggle to even make it into the top half this season.

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11 Sep 2016 16:04:54
I can only assume that it boils down to arrogance George. Monk (like other Managers of limited experience) will have a belief about a chosen system and the players that play within it. Pressure just make some dig in rather than try something different. Despite this I struggle to see why he would bring players in i. e Hernandez and Roofe to not use them in positions they are suited to.

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11 Sep 2016 16:26:02
I was prepared to say give Monk the season or at least until Christmas but that interview has really put me off him. Hate to hear managers spouting off that we were unlucky or had bad decisions or there wasn't much in it, when the actual fact was that we were totally clueless and he didn't seem to know what to do about it. I'm not ( necessarily) saying get big Steve back either, but his plain speaking was one thing about him I liked.

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11 Sep 2016 16:52:46
Not quite with the arrogance, Notts. Before I provide my two pence want to say your original post sums up position perfectly. Before there were other reasons why we had to deploy an extra man in midfield. It was because the midfield was not good enough. That's not the reason now. Nothing wrong with our midfield. It's our attack, link up, style of play, identity. Popey is right. The reason Monk got irked is because he's been rumbled. But how and why? It's so simple. Drop Wood. Play Pablo as withdrawn striker. Knit the play and maybe we will make a goal. So why doesn't Monk do it when it's glaring? Because I say he's crooked, bent accepting a bribe to play wrong team. Subs are the clue. Laughable and crowd showed anger. Somebody got to him. He's not a genuine trustworthy 100% employee anymore. There'll be people who say I be crazy but it's the only thing that makes sense. Football is a corrupt sport subject to organized crime, betting and match fixing. Ask UEFA and US government. Monk knows better than this. He's meant to be a sound coach but he's making too many errors of schoolboy type in too short a time for his conduct to go unnoticed and as for his post match interview please give me a break. I refuse to believe Monk is only accidentally performing like Hockaday when to me it looks deliberate. Certain individuals in the game can't be bought because they have integrity like Steve Evans. We need him back, not this imposter actor sell-out whose been intimidated. Am I really that crazy guys? Because we all know everyone love Leeds United! You think there isn't an evil billionaire out there who'd pay to rig our season? Food for thought.

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11 Sep 2016 19:19:45
I don't think you are crazy at all George, there has to be some reason Monk is doing as he is, and it certainly isn't for the benefit of Leeds United!

Why on earth would anyone continue to play Green and Wood when everyone can see they are the weakest link (Goodbye? )

And put Mowatt in the wrong position?

And get shot of Bamba?

Maybe it's all conspiracy theories, but there has to be some kind of reason why someone can bring so many new players into the equation and then watch the team play worse than we ever did under Evans?

I really hope someone gets rid of Monk, Green and Wood.

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11 Sep 2016 20:06:39
Spot on George. Hernandez has to play as no 10 to link the play . It's so glaringly obvious. I thought that's why he signed him . God only knows what goes through his mind . We could all name a leeds 11 that would beat is, and we'd pretty much all have the same 11.

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11 Sep 2016 20:37:03
Thanks guys but it's mostly conjecture on my part. With Hockaday he was from Forest Green and didn't know better. There's been others too but Monk meant to have pedigree. I don't trust him. I don't like the look of him and he best stay out of my way. At this point I want to hire Samuel L, draw piece on Monk who is sat down on his manager chair and get Samuel L to bellow "Pick Wood again! I dare ya, I double dare ya, pick Wood again! "

Maybe MM can oblige with the artwork and upload.

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11 Sep 2016 20:58:49
George you are crazy 😵 (obviously) , however, I sort of agree with you that some of Monks decisions are so wrong he must be doing it deliberately.

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11 Sep 2016 21:34:32
Ive heard it all now.
And I suppose Bamba was paid by Ken Bates to lose form!
As for Steve Evans. A total bluffer who just said what he thought the fans wanted to hear so he could increase his chances of keeping his job. Fair enough I suppose, but many were extremely happy at ER when he left.

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11 Sep 2016 23:13:12
Many were happy when big Steve left Corky, but many of us thought he'd done enough to be given longer. Having said that I was perfectly happy when Monky joined, so what do I know.

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11 Sep 2016 11:30:53
I'm a great believer in giving managers time to build a team. However with Monk you have to look at how he has gone about it. Eleven players in gives the impression he wants an immediate impact. The players he has introduced don't look like they are going to set the world alight. Green. - not as good as Silvestre; Ayling- not bat bad; Bartley- not bad; Jannson. -Good so far; Grimes- he made a mistake taking him to Swansea and made a bigger one bringing him to Leeds; Antonnson- jury still out; Sacko- has potential but still very raw; Roofe- hasn't shown any real quality yet. £3 million seems a waste. He persists in playing Wood even subbing Antonnson in preference on Saturday when Wood was doing nothing. Persists in playing Mowatt out of position when its clear he can't make an impact there. Of the rest Taylor looks like he is suffering from second season problems and/ or put out that he is not in the premiership- he's very ordinary at the moment. So after his brief time in charge we still lack quality and if you haven't got it I don't care what system you play you won't get the results. If you haven't the quality you can still punch above your weight if you have fitness, energy passion and desire. Monk clearly hasn't inspired the team to deliver on that front either. It is possible to do that - Wagner has managed it at Huddersfield. Unless he was desperate to deflect any blame from the team on Saturday his assessment of the game was woeful. Leeds players didn't support each other, they were second to the ball and passing was a joke. Wagner's team showed all those qualities. Not happy at the moment. Wouldn't be too unhappy if Monnk left but who else could we get without a change of ownership?

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11 Sep 2016 14:56:35
Tin Ribs.

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11 Sep 2016 20:04:29
What?

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11 Sep 2016 23:28:43
Bring Weight Watchers man back.

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11 Sep 2016 04:34:54
Watching CM Punk get battered in the 1st round reminds me of Leeds united today, absolutely battered.

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11 Sep 2016 15:42:20
We are not battered just completely mismanaged.

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11 Sep 2016 10:43:42
All those clamouring for evans to be brought back . Yes, we'll then achieve mid table mediocrit. Fantastic, just what we need! Come on we are leeds . Let's be frank this soft centred wally needs sacking and someone needs to come in to grab everyone by the balls and demand better and more . I feel the squad isn't bad bar wood and maybe green . We just need a leader, a figurehead at the club.

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11 Sep 2016 13:28:49
100% agree mate
God. Bunch of ****ers mc keeps hiring. Talk and no walk
Drive me mad. Can't blame mc really. Getting fooled by tossers
Jeez. Hope he gets a good one soon. None have been up to the job.
Get rid of monk. Green. Wood
That's a start.

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11 Sep 2016 14:59:19
We had a good one. Stevie E. What he did last season with those players with that budget impressive. Getting rid of him silly.

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11 Sep 2016 16:02:53
Agree with George. How many plAyers did he get to bring in?

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11 Sep 2016 10:06:00
Disappointed with the Ref yesterday. Although I do not think our performance can be excused for his decision making, the challenge by Mooy was a straight red, Van la Parra should have been sent off for simulation and kicking out when challenged by our players (he was already on a yellow) . The time wasting in the last 10 mins was also unchecked until he booked their left back for taking an eternity over a throw in. I just feel that Refs like Roger East would be less lenient if the tables were turned. The sending off of Mooy could have changed the result.

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11 Sep 2016 11:29:01
Come on Notts. Wasn't the refs fault we couldn't control the ball or pass accurately to each other.
Monks substitutions alone should mean
he's gone. Take off sacks and antonson.
While leaving on wood and mowett. Hasn't got a scooby do I'm afraid. Get Steve Bruce now. Forget all the Man U nonsense.

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11 Sep 2016 11:58:51
Read my post again Slough, you will find that I agree with you.

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11 Sep 2016 12:30:06
Sorry, just an angry man at the moment .

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11 Sep 2016 13:32:47
No problem, I feel your pain.

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11 Sep 2016 15:02:06
This is an important thread.
You right to question his choice of substitute.
It's only a theory of mine but I'm not discounting it.

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11 Sep 2016 17:18:24
George, are you suggesting substitutions are linked to contracts i. e not getting full wage as they did not play the full 90 mins? Interesting and would explain why Sacko and Antonnson also get substituted.

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11 Sep 2016 09:24:44
Well its only just September and I fear the seasons already over. Just can't see us scoring enough goals. Was really disappointed with Monk yesterday, he has a nice suit a good barber but appears to be tactically lacking and his post match interview was embarrassing. I fear it could be another long season. On another note what's gone wrong with Mowett.

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11 Sep 2016 10:13:14
It wasn't just embarrassing it was discusting he is supposed to be representing the club in interviews. To say that he and his staff are the only ones in the know and everyone else hasn't got a clue. He should apologise and failure to do so will alienate him from the fans. He was tactically inept yesteady and his substitutions were ridiculous, leaving Lumpov on and taking Ant off, ant was making runs and trying, Wood wasn't. Mowatt is a central player, either play him there or don't play him.

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11 Sep 2016 11:17:19
Deda, totally agree re Mowatt, as I have said previously, he is only useful to us in his best position. We have millions of midfielders so either play him in his best position or leave him out altogether and sell him in January, (for his sake and ours) .

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11 Sep 2016 09:03:54
well be that bad even Barcelona lost at home but we do have dead wood up front.

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11 Sep 2016 08:12:03
Yesterday was very very poor and it wasn't just us. All I've heard from Town fans at work is how they push on and attack. One of them said to me if you don't like it in your face, you'll struggle. Well that was rubbish, because thay sat back and came for a point. One strike settled it. They were as rubbish as us, but being the home side you would have liked to see more urgency. Monk needs to decide on his best 11. I don't think he'll get the push especially if these takeover rumours are true, unless that is the new owners have a man in mind. We need to win Tuesday now regardless. Apart from QPR I don't think we've been hammered in a game, we're just a bit toothless.

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11 Sep 2016 09:48:22
Mate, they had over 60% possession. They couldn't have been as bad as us.

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