Leeds Banter Archive April 13 2016

13 Apr 2016 20:56:41
Evening all. Not been on for a while but thought I'd say my piece on Big Boy Stevie E who I think should be given a go next season.

Tactics have been better of late and whilst winning four of our last eight is respectable, we could and should've won two more of those games making it six out of eight wins, which would put us in contention for a top ten place.

We had 20 shots away at Burnley with only three on target, so Stevie has the team set up right to win games but perhaps it's the personnel that need to change.

I know he doesn't always get it right and talks rubbish sometimes but he's better tactically than any of Cellino's previous coaches. Who else would we possibly attract with Looney Tunes at the wheel?

We'll get linked with all sorts of international players and managers over the closed season but it's just Massimo on the decks spinning the same old tune to drum up season ticket sales. All we'll be left with is no name managers, so sometimes it's better the devil you know.

MM.

13 Apr 2016 21:04:22
Good post MM
Did you succeed yet with your SIL?

13 Apr 2016 21:18:35
Agreed Mick leave him bring a couple of players and we are not far from pushing for a play off place next season.

14 Apr 2016 04:55:37
first off mm I was thinking. If if if only we had won our last 30 games but we didn't!
However. I think the fat controller does seem to be tactically ok and knows how to use subs. ( most of the time which redders didn't. Ever ever )
However. I think we will need 6 in and at least 6 out!
We need all forward line strikers whatever they wish to pretend they are - gone!
An exciting ball player like the mcal
And two hard as nails capable defenders.

14 Apr 2016 08:44:20
No joy with the sister in law just yet Georgie Boy. It's difficult to get too near to her with a restraining order. I'm beginning to think she bats for the other team.

MM.

14 Apr 2016 09:49:20
im not sold on SE although I was a fan,

played bell too much when other combos look better

too negitive when his perfered formation doesn't work and give lots of the ball but no penitration (bit like my wifes technique in bed)

keep playing no wingers

keep playing mowatt and cook on wing

failed to work on set plays dispite how many we get

failed to work on marking always look like we will conceed from every set play

ability to push a game we should win against lower opposition

failed to inspire performances against lower teams

failed to see that both ant and wood play better when paired together. people have said our forwards are crap, now woods has not had the best season but when our two top scorers have not hit double figures and the team are low scorers and we rely on wonder goals tactics have to be looked at.

as for who would manage us, tim sherwood, nigel pearson (providing villa don't want him) , simon grayson (doing well with poorer sqaud ATM) plus any lower leage manager or manager from lower rep forgein league would join us so plenty to choose from

I would not be gutted if SE stayed as he is best since SG however I do think we could do better, don't change for chages sake but I would love to see one of the above or someone like that come in

just no to holloway and mcclown as both would jump at leeds as leeds are a standard club now days.

MM soory to hear about sister in law? does she like cricket or golf?

14 Apr 2016 12:27:20
Good post BW. Pretty sensible.
But

So new owner
New manager
New goalkeeper
Half a new defence
Bit of a new midfield
Whole new attack
Should be promoted next year then.

14 Apr 2016 13:44:54
i don't think we need new keeper midfeild, attack or owner I beleive in the ones already at leeds, I think right gaffer and couple of buys (four maybe) and we would be right in the mix, and if we were in the mix I would say we have no right being there, leeds are not a big/ top championship club. leeds have found their level mid-bottom of championship due to recent history and running of the club (before MC)

14 Apr 2016 14:52:11
That's interesting
I admire your loyalty to the players. Confucius say
Because manager has been changed so much recently it may well make supporters equally as trigger happy with players
I maybe guilty there
So. Maybe we should look at each player. Look at there fullest ability and say are they currently reaching that. And if not. Who is to blame? Do you give players the luxury of a few managers to see who they perform best for or do you say. Perform or you are out. Can a player really be able to get away with a full season of mediocrity at full pay or should they indeed be accountable and not the manager?

14 Apr 2016 16:37:16
this is a really good point. for me I always say it is about making the same mistakes, patterns of play and tactics. these players have shown they can get good results. my biggest problem is bad defending and lack of goals, while our defending can be put down to bad players I think he played bell far too much (needed to learn quicker) and lack of goals I think is more down to tactics and netitive game plan. he is only good if under dog looking to grind out result but has no idea how to get result with better team (he would be lost at baraclona) also my biggest problem is when he gets it right he then goes back and makes same old mistakes.

the hudderiled line up is great example, why change a winning team, why play the players you played and make the mistakes you made.


i think saturday will be another example o tbhis, after winning with 4-4-2 I think he will go back to his loved formation with mowatt and cook on wing d bell in defence. if he does this and we lose it will make me included to want him sacked for next season although I do not think he has done a bad job, just think others might do better, same can be said of players as well I guess and they must take share of the blame (bell should be hung for his recent performances and attitiude)

13 Apr 2016 10:14:28
well, seems the fat man has listen to sense (well me) I said 4-4-2 would be worth a shot and look what happens?

wood and ant (both top scorers) will both be better players with each other as they work as a pair, also this seems to get more out of our wide men.

i have said for a while dallas is a good player we just need to get more from him as on day his is unplayable.

wood also got an assist as he will do when he is not so islolated. I have said and will carry on doing so wood is good at this level, he has not be great this season but 2nd season will see great improvement given chance (bit like ross Mc)

also no bell and we defend better bamba is not great but is better when not playing alongside the walking disater that is bell, and cooper is best defender.

Now let's see if fat man learns or goes back to same old mistakes.

Seen leeds a lot this season and his prefered formation is no good, one game he had to make a change due to injury and we were better he then went back to same old mistakes.

I was SE fan but think we can do better unless he learns and more importantly listens to me.

If Mc does read this, I would be happy to coach or manage leeds on rolling contract and will even work well under his wage budget. My manager game stats speak for themself as I have won everything at least three times so snap me up before I go and work for the wendies.

13 Apr 2016 10:49:39
mmmm. Well. Listening to you BW and listening to sense are not exactly the same thing. Usually :)
But OK, yes, let's give you a go in charge for a few games. Shall I start house hunting for you, or will you commute?

13 Apr 2016 11:22:26
Can I just disagree with every paragraph BW. Lot of tosh mate!
Well cooper is an ok comment and Bamba best without bell true but bit bout wood. Ant. Dallas. And you're misspelling and punctuation Leaves me thinking drugs or alcohol.
Don't move BW. Stay right where you are. Out of harms way!

13 Apr 2016 11:40:42
was planning at staying with you speedy, it is ok my wife has me house trained that said if you have a shed or park bench I have stayed on worse

one good thing is if I get the job I will not be the worse as I am genuinly confident I would be better than the HOCK.

13 Apr 2016 11:48:03
One swallow doesn't make a summer. We could have conceded a lot more if Birmingham hadn't been so bad at finishing. Stats don't tend to lie in the longer term. Cooper and Bamba concede a lot of goals at this level We were fortunate this week. I've seen most games this season and I've never seen Dallas being 'unplayable'. I've seen him slow, I've seen him put in a shift getting up and down the pitch but never to the point of unsettling defenders. He had a good night last night for goals. long may it last. Same goes for Wood. I watched, played and coached a lot of football over the years. Wood for me has a number of issues he needs to correct. His timing when heading the ball is very suspect, often leaving either still on the ground when the ball arrives or a yard away from where he should be to make contact. He doesn't possess a lot of pace and he is not the quickest thinker I've seen. Other than that he's not bad. One thing you can't reasonably do is compare him with McCormack. Although McCormack is a famine or feast player at least you get a feast from time to time and he does have a degree of culture on the ball which Wood doesn't possess.

13 Apr 2016 13:01:56
i am not saying cooper and bambba should stay for next season just we look better (not perfect) with bell-end-chi not playing. no need to finsih well when he can gift you a goal. I think bamba looks better with cooper as think he worries about bell and that affects his game.

with regards to aus statement about ant and wood, they are our top scorers that is fact. douk has had simialr playing time but not troubled the scorers in the same way. For me ant is touch of class and his finishing is second to none at the club, he can make something out of nothing and is a must play. Wood I have to admit has had a bad season but still top scorer, I think with bit of fitness and once he fits into club he will find rthym. I also think they need to play in a top two, wood doesn't suit playing up front on own. also too defensive when playing this way. Dallas as well think there is more to come from him, some games he has been unplayable and I am quoting the manager and eddy gray there and gray don't give out priase too easy. maybe 442 will see best from him.

one swallow doesn't make a summer but lots of dissapointing displays does warrent a change, so keep it 4-4-2, keep bell away and see what happens we know the other formation and bell doesn't make a summer but more of a nightmare

also aus I do accpect the criticism of wood as I am not blind and he has had some stinkers but I do think he will come good (then I said same about morrision and ricketts so 3rd time lucky)

also as for spelling and puncitation sadly just dysliexic as would love to blame it on drugs or booze but sadly just a bit thick spelt with an F.

13 Apr 2016 14:13:51
Hess you say stats don't lie in the long term but our stats have been better than opposition for the last half dozen games.

13 Apr 2016 14:16:31
Ausman
Your finest post yet.

13 Apr 2016 14:33:54
Shows what a dissapointing season we've had. Our top 2 scorers can't reach 20 goals between them. Have to agree with Hesslian that Dallas has been dissapointing. Ant has only played when he was looking for a contract and can leave in the summer for me. We can get better. That's why we went after Forestieri. Wood is limited and needs to spend the summer heading balls towards a goal. He doesn't really fit into any category of striker. Worse than Morison at holding the ball up. Not an old fashioned no 9, can't head. This means he's no good as target man. He's not a goal poacher and has no pace. He's not fit to lace Ross' boots.

13 Apr 2016 15:00:53
Wex. Why haven't we won then
Good old fashioned bad luck
Or absolute 300% rubbish strikers
Mmmmmm. That's a hard one!
And I never thought I'd say this but Morrison is better than wood and Erwin combined will ever be and I'd rather my 9 yr old to Morrison.

13 Apr 2016 15:14:06
The reason we haven't won is down to individual errors and lack of finishing but the stats said we were the better team in our last 6 games everyone knows the stats only tell half the story.

13 Apr 2016 15:40:49
i would say the reason we haven't won is down to the manager making the same mistakes, it dosent suprise me that we have done well in harder games (birmingham and cardiff) yet badly in easier games (rotherham and huddeslfeild)

SE knows how to set up an underdog how to get a result against a bigger better team, yet when his team is expected to win and play football they are too deep and negitive, this is why I said 4-4-2 is worth a shot and it seems to get leeds three points when we play like this.

i still think more to come from wood and dallas and they have for me shown somthing that I think will show promise for both in their 2nd season, this said we have to play for them in a style that suits, talking to a doncaster striking legend yesterday and he said the same, as a striker you need teams to play to your strenghts and we have not done that with wood and ant. ant for me is a must stay but give him good performance bonuses as I think he would play more for the money than the shirt which is sad but I don't think we can find better as on his day he is class.

i still think this young team has potential and has shown in glimpses what it might be able to do. we need a center back as if bell ever plays for us we will probably lose and bamaba, wooten and cooper not really good enough as 1st choice.

i think a right winger is needed but think dallas deserves another season or half season, mowatt and cook must play in middle if he puts them on wing again he needs shooting.

keeper I like, taylor I like and forwards I think have more to give. this said not sure with three changes we would go up but then I don't think we should be looking at this at this point anyway. I do hope next year we will be looking at pormotion places and think one quality CB and right winger with couple of additions would be very promising as long as we stop playing this side ways negivivite have all the ball and do nothing with it 4-1-2-2-1 stuff which is no good for our players or results. stick with the team I said a few posts ago and see what they can do (it worked last night)

13 Apr 2016 15:47:36
Bermondsey not often I disagree but I think stats show in the last 6 or 7 games has set team up right.

13 Apr 2016 15:55:06
We didn't have wingers now we have three none of which is outstanding. Now you are suggesting need a right winger if we do what does it say about the management that bought the first three. I remember Grayson falling out with bates for asking for another centre back. At the time we had seven on the books. Its identifying, being able to afford and being able to attract quality which has been our problem for some time.

13 Apr 2016 19:58:29
wex I think he sets us up right for certain games but fails to mix it when needed, I think our set up makes stats look better, like at burley lots of the ball but not doing too much with it, lots of corners but all pretty ineefective, ok I know my mate wood missed a sitter or five but other than that we did nothing I don't think their keeper made a save. as I often say it is about patterns on play and getting the most from the team. I don't think SE can do that which is why we have had some really bad results.

hess I do see your point but other teams manage it so it is not all about money look at grayson team preston they do not have bigge wage bill or transfer spend than us but higher up table. we do need to get in the right players (something grayson and gary mac did really well) but it is also getting the best out of them players.

look in prem the big boys have been upset by the little teams as the little teams have identified well and got the most out of them. look at possible player of the year marezh a 400k buy. he looked average at best for championship season and most of last year but ranieri has got the most from every player.

players count but gameplan and tatics are just as important, going back to PNE and every other team above us, do they really have more quality and better players? if a good manager come in would he get more from this team?