Leeds Banter Archive January 13 2013

 

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13 Jan 2013 22:55:26
IMO Warnock will remain the manager until the season's end (see his contract out). GFH know we will neither go up nor down this year, and are using this as a 100% transition season, in which they can study and fully understand what's needed come the summer transfer window and investment. By that time a new manager will have already been lined up. NW was seen as the perfect experienced man to aid in GFH's learning period. Expect another dull end to the season, but an exciting start to next. Just my thoughts, but seems plausible.
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I said pretty much the same thing a couple of weeks ago and got totally shot down for it. This is one reason why we haven't moved to spend too much in the transfer window so the new manager gets a clean slate to buy his own players in the summer. Players NW would like to buy may not be the sort of players a new manager would want (I've heard that GFH want a more attack minded manager) and GFH don't want a reserve squad full of unwanted players on high wages. Expect a bundle of loans to come in now but not much else.

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Just a few points in response to your harebrained idea, if you have just taken over a club and don't think the manager is not what you want, terminate his contract, it's not that it has long left so shouldn't be that expensive to terminate, after all you have supposedly paid 52 million for the club, so why leave an inept manager in charge of such a huge investment, secondly wouldn't it be the new manager who needs to take stock off the squad and decide what players are needed for the assault on promotion next year, just a thought mind you !

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Exactly... a £52million investment. I don't know, but i'm guessing you have not invested that much into something recently. Am i right? Why come in, rush things, disturb the momentum (which we had when GFH took over) and mess everything up. They are brand new to the football buisiness, hence the reason Bates is still our chairman. When the summer comes we shal see, I am not saying I am right, but have yet to see a reasonable alternative
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13 Jan 2013 22:52:58
The only way Warnock will not be sacked is if the owners are worried they won't be able to invest in the team, as the new manager will need time to evaluate the squad leading to a barren transfer window wich would then turn the fans, I say have balls and move this club forwood GFh get a young hungry manager write this season off and build for the future with a young hungry manager Di canio or gus

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13 Jan 2013 22:38:48
Got a funny feeling GFH are waiting for the window to end and then they will sack Warnock and say we didn't spend any money because we had no faith. NOW! Does this remind you of someone and this someone is still whispering in the ears of the new owners. Mr Haigh and Mr Patel, if you really do want to get the fans coming back, then i suggest you stop playing someone elses song and start doing what you told the good paying fans of this club. Warnock's tactics and plans are all over the place and i would rather drill my knee caps, then listen to another game like that. The man has more excuses than my 5yr old daughter has, when she's trying to get out of doing something.
Now we will see my fellow fans, just how much GFH really do, do what it says on there tin.
WARNOCK OUT, DO WE REALLY NEED TO SHOUT!!!!
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13 Jan 2013 21:57:53
Leeds will need to sack Warnock now. The standard of football being played is awful. His signings have been terrible too. We need a manager who is going to play the football that we pay good money to see. We need better players than the amateur ones we are watching at the minute.

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13 Jan 2013 21:39:48
'Be careful what you wish for' a saying we should all learn from we all believed the end of bates would bring joy now look what has happened. Why can we not just become a good team without all of this hassle.

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13 Jan 2013 21:26:56
I can't believe we are playing this type of football. We played premiership teams and we passed the ball and won. We play bottom of the championship team, hoof the ball and lose. Surely the players we have are capable of passing the ball. Are these instructions from the manager or is this just an inability to pass. I love my football club and have done all my life...(now 42) and every time I walk up into the stadium and see the pitch open out I still get goose bumps like I did the very first time. Come on GFH. You know what needs to be done or you wouldn't have bought our fantastic club.

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13 Jan 2013 21:02:15
Neil Warnock has told BF he is not in a position to make an offer.

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13 Jan 2013 20:48:00
My number one target would be David oleary. Rome wasn't built in a day was a saying I recall. He would arrive at leeds now and he would start with the foundations, the planning and build on it long term, but Warnock....he's retiring at end of season so instead of starting to build Rome he's built us an old people's home instead, for aging has beens to put there feet up.

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Would not let O'leary anywere near our club.

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13 Jan 2013 20:47:42
I for sure don't want to write this season off so early. But i do feel next season could be the promotion one. Lees, Byram, Pearce will all be a year older and wiser. Rudy will be more comfortable with the english game. Pelts and White will definitely improve along with a number of other first teamers. Ryan Hall will be a much better player aswell. With a little more investment i think next year could be the year. The question is; Who will be in charge ? I want Warnock still

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13 Jan 2013 20:29:32
I am an American who has followed Leeds United for over 40 years. I have friends in North Carolina who are also Leeds Supporters. I lived in Yorkshire for 36 years and attended my first game in October 1969. I have seen Leeds at it's peak on Don Revie and then the slide into Division 2. My daughter and I also had the excitement of the promotion season from Division 2 and then the League 1 championship season. What has happend recently has been very upsetting, the demise of a great football team, the loss of wonderful support, (I managed to attend the Birmingham vs Leeds game in October) and could not believe how dead Elland Road had become. I have watched Ken Bates oversee a team with decent players who were sold on, poor Johnny Howson, a Leeds fan who stood in the Kop to support our team being told to pack up and leave. We all know the other names of decent players who were sold on. Now we are left with a Sunday league team with no one to inspire them (Warnock is gonna retire), no backing from the investors, only loan players, one player we did buy Hall does not play. The story goes on. What really breaks my heart is what this has done to the fan base. Terrible and beyond belief. The new owners need to get the broom out, sweep Bates, Harvey, Lorimer and most of the team out of the door and start from scratch. Leeds fans will then have to come to terms with supporting a Championship team for however long it takes to move to the Premier League. Whether they want to continue that committment remains to be seen. They have suffered long enough. When visiting the UK my daughter and I will not attend any games unless we can see some progress on and off the pitch. I can only imagine what it was like spending money on tickets for the Barnsley game and them being subjected to the poor quality of football on display. Good Luck to all the true Leeds fans.

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13 Jan 2013 19:35:50
Want Warnock gone now, not just results, but the way he is in press conferences, blaming decisions or veering away from the question-'don't want to talk about the game, just hope Austin is fine' after mauling against Watford. Style of play needs to change. For me, Poyet or Di Matteo

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Warnock will get it right its time we backed him sacking managers isnt always the answer

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Cost 3m plus for poyet and di matteo could be possible but im not sure he would want championship football

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13 Jan 2013 19:04:01
I would love to sign Kim Ojo and Max Gradel

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Ojo on his way to Genk

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13 Jan 2013 18:21:49
i think gfh are worried all this silence aint rite think they were p#ssing in the wind buying us as they haven't got the money to take us forward either we will go backwards or they will sell us over the next 6 months as fans disapeer and they loose their money. the bulldog

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13 Jan 2013 18:03:59
Sacking managers has never pleased me personally, and I was gutted to see Larry go. But im afraid something just isnt working the body language of the players was terrible. David Oleary was a great manager and he believed in youth, and was sacked for finishing 5th in the prem what id give for that now.

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What I'd give for 5th in the championship.

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13 Jan 2013 20:22:09
Larry wouldn't know a good player if he fell over one and o'leary blew 100 mill and won nowt?

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I hated O'leary, thought he bought a lot of old dross when the players were his choosing and not from the youth team . But I can't see what warnock is trying to do with the team, the players don't seam to know what they are supposed to be doing, some of his substitutions are baffling . it appears he's lost the dressing room !!

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13 Jan 2013 18:00:38
i think Warnock should be given until the Bristol City game next week. see if he brings in any of these new faces he's been banging on about. oh but if we lose to Bristol he should get sacked. 2 losses against bottem of the league is not good enough.

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Not sure I want him spending any more available funds

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13 Jan 2013 17:57:27
I think the lack of signings is down to the new owners funds so we arerying to get players on the cheap.Same old leeds I just hope warlock goes and we get gusback he's 's the best young manager in the game.HE was on Sunday supplement saying he was signing a player from Spain warlock doesn't look past the end of his nose for players all old journey men we need some good young players and start playing with some flare and skill again.

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13 Jan 2013 17:36:23
Warlock out believable = out not believable = keep him
Lets vote ?

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13 Jan 2013 17:01:21
I can see warnock being sacked the day after transfer window shuts. Just like last year with sg. Who ever replaces him will be left with this poor squad. Dannylufc

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Depends on who we replace him with.

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13 Jan 2013 16:57:25
To Mr Patel & Mr Haigh

After yesterdays non-show at Barnsley I cannot stand by without comment.

I am 50 years old and attended my first game at Elland Road in the early 70s and I have to say this present team is probably the worst that I have seen.
No effort.appalling tactics, players being played out of position, 1 or 2 shots on target in 3 games and a manager who feeds us with utter tripe in his interviews.
I never felt so ashamed at the state of my football club.

The managers post match interview was nothing short of disgraceful and not worthy of the position. If he (and GFH) thinks he is doing a good job then heaven help us!

Do you guys actually understand anything about this football club? This is Leeds United NOT just any old club. A club with huge untapped potential. A club with a rich history and a club that is recognised worldwide.The lack of ambition shown by previous owners has been staggering considering the riches on offer in the EPL.

You say that you have been around the club for 7-8 months yet we the fans are just fed this utter garbage week in and week out. I would ask you this...Are you going to show us the ambition to match that of a club the size of LUFC and its supporters ??

You say that the buck stops with you...really?? The whole set up stinks of the previous owners stewardship. Same chairman, same CEO, same excuses, Same group of disenchanted supporters! If GFH are really in charge you need to take a few things on board or your investment will turn to dust.

1) This club will not move forward until Bates and his business model are put firmly to bed and he has NO CONNECTION with LUFC whatsoever. Please do not under estimate the
negativity and lack of ambition that Mr Bates has instilled in this club. If GFH are serious about getting the supporters on board this HAS to happen for many fans to return to the fold.

2) GFH need to bring a forward thinking ambitious chairman and CEO asap (Running the club using Mr Bates business model and taking his advice is a recipe for disaster) Get out there and head hunt the best you can afford . The investment would be worth it. If GFH have bought LUFC to run it the same way Mr Bates has for the last 8 years, then I am afraid you have waisted your investment . The supporters are voting with their feet and will NOT be taken in again.

3) Niel Warnock is NOT the man to move us forward on the pitch. LUFCs results since Mr Warnock has been at the club are just disgraceful. There are good young ambitious managers out there with fresh ideas and an hunger to succeed. Managers who will put in a long term plan and then carry it out.

4) We need to invest on the pitch with better quality players.This does not mean SILLY money but a damn sight more than this club has been investing. Watching clubs like Hull spending several million on players with a fraction of our turnover and support is just ridiculous.

5) I think its fair to say that most LUFC fans would love a mega rich owner to bankroll us BUT most are sensible enough to realise that this unlikely. What we DO expect is reasonable investment on the pitch based on the size of club and its huge potential. We have not seen this for at least 8 years.

6) Ticket prices have been mentioned many times as being THE reason for the falling attendances. Prices at LUFC are expensive compared to other championship clubs and it would be great if GFH could look into this for next season (concessions for kids etc) That said, GFH must not get bogged down with this .....the main reason for falling attendances is the dross on the pitch and the complete lack of ambition by the club. Invest in the squad and get it right on the pitch and the people will come (After all we have been for last 8 years!)

7) The silence has been deafening regarding GFHs future plans for the club, You need to start getting your message out !!

8) Lets see some real ambition and a statement of intent. Many supporters will stay away until this happens.

9) Please understand that although there IS massive potential this club is hemorrhaging support at an alarming rate and something radical needs to be done fast before it is too late.

10) All is not lost if GFH get a grip and take the tough decisions that need to be taken .

GFH --- you have a massive job on your hands, best of luck

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Agree agree agree.......gfh allowing bates to continue his propaganda in the programme after the takeover made me feel sick. Gfh made a huge mistake allowing him to retain connections with the club

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13 Jan 2013 23:49:29
Wow what a letter. You need to post this where we can all sign it/ tick it or something so GFH can see it! Remember - Marching on TOGETHER!

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To the OP - Excellent post. I hope you sent this to the email address that GFHC set up immediately after the T/O was announced for fans input and suggestions.

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13 Jan 2013 16:54:48
i can see to possibilities with warnocks future.
1, as people have been saying, he won't get the money because he will be gone in July, which i think isnt beyond the relalms of possibility, however why not make one marque signing for the fans, someone whobwould be in everyone's plans regardless of what happens to Warnock.
2, he is there fo th long term, didn't gfh say he was a major part of the deal?
i for one think we need to invest, that's clear, but if we did invest i still think Warnock could get us up next season.to be honest though i think that the second scenario is most likely and we are stuck were we are for the foreseeable future.

if he did go though i think di mateo, gus or Lambert could be the man for us.

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Me personally would like to see strachan take the helm. Someone who knows the fans and can get us playing football on the ground and to feet.

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When putting forward Poyet's name as a potential replacement just recall the speed with which he departed to go and be number 2 at spurs. As soon as any half decent offer from a Lahndon club comes in he will drop us like a hot coal.
Di matteo- no chance, likewise di canio.
Personally would like to see The chief being given a shot. I have a feeling that would turn out to be a stroke of genius. Leeds through and through, young (for a manager), will be able to get a team to defend properly and MAY prove to be a magnet for african talent coming through.
Just an opinion, no need to go for the predictable suggestions (above) of who could replace NW in the event of his departure...On that subject gotta conclude that such an abject display against bottom of table inbreds, predictable hoof-ball from the back four, no passion or commitment. Im struggling to find reasons to keep NW.

LLHB MOT

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I love LR but to give him the managers job is nuts

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13 Jan 2013 16:36:50
Can we please get over all this Ken Bates rubbish and get on with the present . Yes we sold all our talent under the Bates era but we have or should be moving in and looking at the present and the future. Early days for new owners so give them a chance . We have to concentrate and look at the shambles of a team we put out week in week out and there is only one person to blame for this and its Warnock. Majority now are his team and players he has tracked for a while . The blame is solely down to his lack of tactics and not being able to get this team to play any sort of football, I do use that term lightly as hoofball is what we try and play. The man is waiting for retirement and has no passion for this club, so give it to him now before its too late.

Everyone keeps harping on about his record but that was then and this is now. Past Warnock would not stand for this type of performance and would have publicly torn a strip out of his team. Its not a bad squad of players but he isnt and can't get the best from them. So as a suporter of my belowed team for over 40 years I would like to say go awayNeil and lets get someone in with passion and not someone who is on his last hurrah.

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13 Jan 2013 19:49:56
You look through our squad and you should be able to pick a decent team that can play football and challenge for the playoffs .add a few players with speed and fast feet and we should be good enough to challenge for top 2 but not with the Warnock style of play.

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13 Jan 2013 16:24:48
Sack for lambert; Sack for Warnock; lambert to Leeds. My wish.JD

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Lambert????, the most unloyal manager around!

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13 Jan 2013 16:22:04
soo many people moaning its unreall, and im not defending how **** we played but alot of people saying we had no shots on target well i remember seeing barkley smash the bar and that im sure would have changed the game. that's how football is peterbourogh beating cardiff? i do agree wee need to get a better manager with fresh ideas, but we will be stuck with all warnocks players and no warnock ?

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Shot on target means between the posts and bar, would be a goal if not saved or blocked!

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Don't you know the rules? A shot against the bar isn't on target. It counts for nothing. If the best you can say about the game is that one player hit the bar then that's a pretty desperate state of affairs.

We're moaning because we love our club and we don't want to have to tolerate what we've had to put up with under Warnock.

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The young lad Barkley must be wondering why the fak he came.....can't believe moves let him either, hardly gonna improve his footballing skills under warnock

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13 Jan 2013 16:12:10

Our managers since 2002:

Terry Venables 42 16 7 19 53 52 43.65
Peter Reid 22 6 4 12 36 51 33.33
Eddie Gray 26 6 7 13 30 51 32.05
Kevin Blackwell 115 44 37 34 128 117 48.99
John Carver 1 0 4 7 17 20.00
David Geddis 0 0 1 1 3 00.00
Dennis Wise 68 30 12 26 88 78 50.00
Gwyn Williams 1 0 0 1 0 1 00.00
Gary McAllister 50 25 8 17 84 61 55.33
Simon Grayson 169 84 40 45 259 186 57.59
Neil Redfearn 4 2 0 2 8 6 50.00
Neil Warnock 37 14 9 14 42 52 37.84

So Colin is not the worst, but he is down there with them.And his F-A stats look pretty poor too.

Still think he is the Messiah that will take us back to the promised land?????

MOT
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How's wise winning 30 out of 68 50% stato?

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Time to get McAllister back - he is only beaten on record by Grayson

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Give redfearn a go!

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13 Jan 2013 15:51:30
Remember this
Leeds United's remarkable Champions League result looks set to continue to the semi-finals at least following their remarkable 3-0 win over Deportivo La Coruņa.

Deportivo owe 100m euro

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They are in the rubbish 8 years after we were

Point being ?

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Your point being? I have a mortgage. I have a car lease. Is that a problem? No because I can afford it. There's nothing wrong with debt as long as that debt is serviceable.

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13 Jan 2013 15:42:49
Interesting to see how the tide is turning on Warnock.

I probably sound a bit smug and I really don't want to come across that way, but I can't believe that anyone thought Warnock would really succeed, especially on a Bates budget. Yes he has a few promotions but most of those were two decades ago in the lower leagues. In all his decades in management I don't believe he has ever once qualified for Europe and his relegations outnumber his promotions. Hardly a success story. We all knew what his 'anti-football' style of play was and anyone who knows anything about the game knows that long ball rarely succeeds in the modern age.

I remember posting 'be careful what you wish for' when some people on here were calling for Grayson's head. Yes Grayson had faults, his defensive blind spot being top of the list, but at least we got to see some football and I genuinely felt we were only a player or two away from the top end of the league. The problem then was Bates undermining him, selling his better players and refusing half a million for a defender. Warnock got 2 million, spend most of that on Kenny, Pearce & Peltier and has taken us backwards. The problem now is Warnock. Just listen to his post-match comments yesterday. Blaming the ref, stating that Peltier was a better left-back than White (my dog's a better left back than Peltier) and that he thinks he's doing a great job. What planet is he on?

Warnock, his ego and his hoofball both belong in the dim distant past. I have rarely seen such awful football played at ER, at least not by my team. Even when we've been winning it's been hard to watch.

We are, as a team, in a much worse place than we were 12 months ago. When a team really misses a decent but hardly world-beating player like Tonge and is overly reliant on the performances of a teenager in his first season, you know that team is in big trouble.

As a club I also have concerns. As someone below points out, GFH have been ominously quiet since the takeover which seems very odd after their egotistical pre-takeover twitter onslaught. I guess we have to wait and see with them though.

Going nowhere under Warnock.

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Another 'i told you so' comes out of the woodwork.

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Ed 13 can confirm that I have been anti-Warnock since day one. I have posted the phrase 'Going Nowhere Under Warnock' consistently since before the beginning of this season. If you were a regular here you'd know that.

I'm not always right - I'm not arrogant enough to think that - but I was right, and remain so, about Warnock's shortcomings. {Ed013's Note - You have mate}

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13 Jan 2013 15:41:32
Shoot me down in flames on a Sunday afternoon time..

I have been a fan for 46 years through a bit of thick and too much thin, apart from the golden years of the Don, David O Leary has been the one that ignited the passion, hunger and desire that we want from our lads....is he worth an approach ?

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Good post I am also a big David o Leary fan, what did he really do wrong, missed out by 1 pt on qualification for champ league but we all know was a dodgy ref decision against scum, spend money on good players which he was assured was available and affordable, then sacked unjustifiably, he has unfinished business and the passion.

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I'd give O'Leary another chance, at the end of the day it wasn't his fault we went in to admin. He just spent what he was given and did make a quality team. He made some bad signings aswell, but doesn't every manager...e.g. Fergie Bebe 6m or Daglish Henderson 20m - they are the equivalent seth Johnsons of today. It was ridsdale though that paid more than his value and wages were worth O'Leary said he wouldn't have sanctioned a move for them prices.

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Oh yeah, we had a really dark period under Howard Wilkinson between 1989 and 1992, didn't we? Passionless, directionless, success-free if my memory serves me... hang on!

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Wasn't a big hit at Villa. Might've just struck lucky with Leeds.

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For all you who are calling for DoL to be given another chance. which planet are you currently residing on? Between him and publicity Peter Ridsdale they spent all our season ticket money, television money and anybody else's money they could get their grubby hands on. that's why were are still in the financial do-do's. DoL got found out at Villa as deadly Doug Ellis wouldn't let him be profligate. Please calm down and get a grip ffs! DoL couldn't manage a good sh*te. Those players were mostly George Graham's and our academy.
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As an Irish Leeds fan I wouldn't like to see O'Leary back. Remember his book? That was a bridge too far for me and showed a complete lack of respect and bad judgement.

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13 Jan 2013 15:35:15
How bad was it yesterday I didn't go ? Warnock is rubbish he doesn't have a clue I just hope he takes rubber gloves with him.Barkley is a great signing but why are we not buying players ?i am lead to believe he has lost the dressing room and had a big do with beccio so he's def going I say sack him keep beccio MOT

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13 Jan 2013 15:32:16
What is it with all these posters, saying he's worth a punt, gotta be worth a punt!!! What are we now all on Dragons Den ha ha, lets just see where we are at the end of the season, we won't go down that's for sure MOT

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13 Jan 2013 15:19:56
Why hoofball doesn't work.

Okay, bear with me - let's go back to first principles: when your goalie has the ball, your team is in possession. This is a precious thing. If you haven't got possession, you can't do anything. Just to lump the ball mindlessly upfield - see also Warnock - squanders possession. It is 50/50 at best that you will retain possession. I say 'at best' as the ball is usually heading in the direction of the players in the other team whose job is to stop attacks and to start counter attacks. They are also pointing in the right direction as regards the oncoming ball.

In slight mitigation of the Leeds defence, the hoofball scenario has the ball inconveniently returning to danger areas by the other team gaining possession in the 50/50 scenario and doing something effective with it. This will inevitably happen with regularity.

The only team to have used hoofball regularly with success was the old Wimbledon and they had a high tempo physicality and team spirit less than obvious in the current Leeds team. And even with Wimbledon it regularly didn't work this making a pretty ugly sight. It was before my time but the great Spurs side of the early 60s played a kind of long balk game. But landing the ball on a team mate's toes with a 50 yard pass isn't called hoofball. It's called being very good.

Conclusion 1: hoofball can only be explained as a way to short circuit not being very good.

Conclusion 2: it rarely works. Thus there is no excuse for its utter ugliness. The one thing the Revie teams were never accused of was not playing good football. Hoofball is an offence against our tradition.

Conclusion 3: The only way forward is quality signings (which involves spending money - not necessarily a huge amount but spending well), good coaching and system and a motivated team.

And the chances of this happening would be?

No. I don't think so either.

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13 Jan 2013 15:01:55
What I don't get is our lack of pace.....when poleon has played or come on as sub, we have a bit of edge, he can take the ball past people. Clearly warnock doesn't rate him which seemingly baffles everyone else, lets hope we don't lose poleon because of warnock!

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I'm not sure about Poleon, but I do agree we chronically lack pace. The best period for us this season was when we had Thomas bursting down the wing. Simple fact is, we were a good away team under Grayson when we had the likes of Gradel and Snodgrass providing an outlet for us. If you have no pace the opposition can simply push further up the field, and leave less men at the back and more in attack. We have a strong base of average cloggers, we need pace & flair to change it all round. Players of this calibre however cost money...

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What has actually changed positively since neil warnock has became manager, we are playing outdated football, we have old journeymen playing for us, we don't have any youth coming up to the first team other than bryam and lees, were not creating chances and worst of all this season will be written off unless if the supporters do something because GFH won't by the sounds of things they worship the ground he waks on.

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Poleons been out of favour since he was slow coming on as a sub and let his man past him for a goal far too easily.

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13 Jan 2013 14:29:03
How is it possible not to sack warnock
I don't understand why he is still leeds manager
It's only a matter of days to our next humiliation
Sack him today

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13 Jan 2013 14:27:45
What's betting crowd less than 15,000 next saturday.JD

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13 Jan 2013 13:32:38
If Warnock was to leave, he'd be gone now. They're obviously waiting til after the Brum game.

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Carp. I actually disapprove of managers being sacked Saturday night or Sunday. Smacks of knee-jerk. Nothing better than immediately before or after breakfast on Monday morning. That will suit me and my week off just fine. Sack him during business hours. He certainly didn't do the business for us.

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13 Jan 2013 13:29:56
I can't understand all these warnock sacking rumours!

GFH wouldnt buy Leeds without Warnock remaining in charge, why would they sack him 3 weeks after taking over, utter tosh, Warnock is here till the end of the season...FACT. He remitt was to get Leeds in the play offs, there is still time and its still mathematically possible.....Judge him at the end of the season.

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If they wait until the end of the season we might be in league one

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13 Jan 2013 14:34:12
He's a poor manager and the only way we are going is downwards while he is manager. I never wanted him at the club.time for a change.

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I am afraid I'll judge him on his record, which you have to say is poor.

Couple that with the fact a lot of the wins we have had have been fortunate to say the least, and the defeats have been accompanied on the whole by abject performances.

I just can't get my head round his thinking. We buy an experienced left back but play peltier out of position. We are losing at Forest and he brings on a Defender.

In all honesty, I would have rather they said its going to be a 2-3 year program and bought young hungry, pacey players, rather than these 30+ journeymen that he could only have wanted to see if their CD collection had anything he remembered from the dim distant past when his tactics were fresh.

Tired, tired old Leeds, I am afraid we are

Time for a change, hopefully some better performances, a bit more confidence.
I'll settle for that

MOT (colinless)
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The Warnock is part of the deal is not a fact its a RUMOUR probably started by Warnock himself - You say it like its a fact

I believe that the majority on Leeds fans want to watch a decent standard of football first then success will follow and Warnock is proving that he can't deliver anything other than POOR quality football

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Once GFH hear the crowd shouting Warnock out and the attendances start to drop then GFH will have no other alternative but to release him

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Add to that that he makes Hall his first signing and he's nowhere in site since ! If he ain't good enough to improve the team then why the fu< buy him ?

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13 Jan 2013 12:50:23
Still think we should stick with Warnock for now, I think if Warnock brings in two quality wingers such as Gradel, Adomah etc We won't be far off, you all saw the run we went on when Warnock had just one wing with a bit of class. Tate was shambolic yesterday, could have prevented both chances if he put in the effort, I would much rather have Pearce and Lees with a younger, fitter Centre Back as back up. If we get get the wingers it would mean that we could have McCormack up front in front of Barkley which means our style of football would improve also as there would be no one to hoof it to. I think we would benefit from selling Becchio also because he's been a great servant to the club and if a prem team wants him he should grab the chance at his age. Then we could bring in a younger quicker striker to back up McCormack, also with Poleon getting a proper chance I think we would shoot up the league. I think we shouldn't panic and keep the faith however awful the performances have been lately we have seen us on a run already and we could do a reading with a bit of investment.

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No way, the hoofball tactics will take us nowhere, as a paying customer why should we put up with this dross, it's mostly warnocks side now and giving him money to spend on more rubbish that we will have to get shot of later makes no sense, besides we would still play the same way under colin, time to move on with someone who can pick this great club up and take us forward, WARNOCK OUT NOW

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If he doesn't bring in these two wonder signings (to be honest he and SG before have been talking about these wonder signings for ages)

WHAT THEN !

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13 Jan 2013 12:38:37
Al tell ye what lads when ye 10 year old son looks up to ye and says ( DAD am not botherd about a season ticket Next year ) now that hurts that's when you know its bad and something has got to change . And for me now that change has got to be wornock . I don't like to see any man loose his job but something has got to give . Even the kids can see it . Lets get a young manager in now and start again for next season . Mot

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13 Jan 2013 12:34:41
Just read lubo Mickcalik getting released by Portsmouth Let get him back can't do any worse then what we are doing now mot

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Rui Marques while were at it is also free...

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13 Jan 2013 12:32:13
According to Warnocks reaction to the 2-0 defeat to Barnsley and I quote he is still upbeat as he claims the one or two who he has got lined up will bring excitement back to elland road :)

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13 Jan 2013 12:02:47
I've followed Leeds since 1968. Living abroad, so chances of seeing them live is few, but travels to ER three or fou times a year, sees as many matches possible. Followed "ups and downs" and fact is: our promotion season from league one and first season in championship are of the most memorable I've had. Rate them only marginally below champions league season and some of the Revie years... It's feelings and passion - playing in upper division not the issue. But beeing allowed to be proud IS an issue, having a manager willing to play football and players wishing to die for this club a must!!

Not like this now. Not even angry with yesterdays loss, just resignated. Not alone I suspect, and think the feeling of resignation is far more important than ticket prices when it comes to ER attendences!

Let's play football! Let's pass the ball! At least TRY to give supporters games to be proud of. How many of these have we had this season? I count three!! Most of the games we've won we've still been crap!

I've supported Warnock for a long time, but no longer! Ok he knows championship better than most and have a record of promotions! But what you see, experience and enjoy at your travel, is important - it's not only about reaching a certain end station!

No longer think NW has capability to enlighten my journey! Get him out then!

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Agree totally. and the only games we've been any good haven't mattered, cup games mostly.

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13 Jan 2013 11:58:04
Get warnock sacked ASAP!!
No players are going to sign if he is in charge
Who would want to come to a club where the manager gets the team playing crap football

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And has no intention on staying for the duration of your contract.

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13 Jan 2013 11:54:18
I was starting to finally believe we could actually mount a challenge for the play offs this year.

I know we're still within touching distance of the playoffs but in all fairness that result yesterday was one of the most embarrassing results we've had in years.

0 shots against a team who were rock bottom of the table and hadn't won at home for something like 16 games and to make it worse it was a derby.

Warnock really needs to produce something special now in the transfer market or we're gonna finish mid table at best.

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13 Jan 2013 11:38:15
That performance or lack of it yesterday is inexcusable. It's bad enough losing to bottom of the league but no shots on goal, no corners what is going on?

I know Barnsley are a bogey team but our players showed no passion whatsoever. If we play well and lose you can say well you can't win every game, and I know there is inconsistency in performances i.e. good for a few games then a couple of iffy ones, but just lately they've all been poor. I don't think we've been the same since Hillsborough and the moron.

NW only fuels our anger by saying he's doing a great job. Get real mate and realise your style of football is losing fans by the thousands why should we pay good money to watch dross? Either he has to go or quickly play a more entertaining style of football.

People have criticised the owners for not stumping up the cash for Chris Woods. Even if we had got him he wouldn't be scoring for us like he is with the foxes because they have players who can pass and make chances we don't. That is the painful truth.

I'm also preparing myself for Becchio to go in this window as Nw is making the same noises about him as he did with Snodgrass last summer. His head's been turned etc. Personally, if I were Luciano I'd go now no point hanging around at Leeds for promotion.

My message is if you can't do the job Neil move over and let someone in who can. MOT Ron

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13 Jan 2013 11:32:10
nw to be sacked this week

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Hope so leeds united are to big a club for warnock time to go neil your well past your sell by date get him out gfh!

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With a bit of luck

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13 Jan 2013 11:32:09
Leeds fan liiving in barnsley here just like to point out that barnsley are a team in disaray expected by their own fans to go down. Worst team theve had for years on paper none of their team would get in ours with highest earners on 3grand a week yet they still give us a hiding again It has to come down to motivation and how hard you are prepared to work for it. Obviously its their cup final but the first ten minutes set the pattern of the game were starting as if its a freindly. . Totally pissed off and will once again have to endure another year of abuse.

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Totally agree with you. I live in Barnsley too and I can tell you that they are in very big trouble and their own fans say they are garbage plus they expected to lose. But to the point. I must have counted 25 buses go past my mothers house yesterday. Not very often does away support like that. To the point, if they can be bothered why aren't the team. Good support lads and well done. Fetched back alot of fond memory's from my youth from home and away matches. Still best fans in the country.

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13 Jan 2013 11:05:20
You think they could delete all them stupid articles on the OS about giving a 100% and the guard being up for barnsley etc etc. Just frustrates me more when i go on and see them.
Warnock and the team are doing what Grayson and his team did towards the end... They talked a good game on OS and YEP but and ever delivered on the pitch.... Is it a case of de ja vue?? Will Warnock sacked in February same as Grayson??

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13 Jan 2013 10:55:52
Another fact not that often spoken about is the non existence of a Captain. I mean a real Captain who will tell a Brown to stop chiding the ref, a Becchio to get of his ar*e and to say sod the manager lets pass the bloody ball and not try and kill it with every hoof forward. Last real Captain anyone? TeeCee

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Last real captain, Richard Naylor.

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13 Jan 2013 10:01:06
Nw has lost the dressing room for me results are over the place win 4 to 5 games in a row then lose stupid games we should be wining and dominating. he's singed most the team now there his players he's brought to the club so tell us why should the board trust him with more money to waste i.e. Peltier wot a waste also he keeps messing round with formation its not champ manager with his long ball system he could play all forwards instead of leaving out last seasons best player ross McCormack. Time for him to get real and tell lads to pass and move or time for him to move on choaching else where

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Fair enough warnock must shoulder blame for our terrible performances[I was at oakwell yesterday]but lets not forget the real architect of this chaos -BATES.It was he who systematically moved on any player he could cash in on and used the proceeds to build his super boxes to make the club attractive to buyers.Remember Delph, Rose, Howson, Johnson, Snodgrass?Could have had a half decent team methinks.

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I backed warnock since the start of the season, I always felt we could get promotion just because its neil warnock and he is no stranger to average squads and low budgets, and some how he got seven or eight teams up. However I no longer think we can get playoffs, in the next two weeks we will probably win our games, sit up in eighth and need A win to get into playoffs, then we will lose that game and go back to 11 th our whole season has been like that the whole season we have been playing catch up and now we sit 9 points from the top 5. Playing rubbish football, never creating chances, most players are out of position, we have no wingers, no pace, no creativity and never thought I'd say this but no desire, no passion. This season will be written off and we will probably finish 9 th and if some how we do get playoffs we will just embarrass ourselves against decent teams

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Forgot to mention Gradel and Beckford-makes it all even more excrutiating!Sorry!

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Funny how after realising warnock was not up to the job a while back that I have now actually started to completely despise this man. Nothing is ever his fault and now he's started to criticise one of our only performing players becchio. Maybe becchio is starting to look elsewhere, but this is due to the crap team he is in and The useless manager who runs it. No coincidence that lee's, becchio and bryam are the few half decent players we have, none of which were brought in by warnock?

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Bates didn't sign most of this team Warnock did, Bates doesn't coach this team Warnock does, Bates doesn't select the team/formation and tactics Warnock does.
Time to let the Bates hatred go and face the facts pal.

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I hate Bates but I think Warnock has to shoulder the blame for this. Unlike previous managers he's had some backing, maybe not as much as he'd have liked but he spent 2m in the summer, more than Larry had in 3 years. It's his choice of players, he chose experience over talent, and his long ball tactics which are the problem. Bates isn't picking Peltier at left back, nor is Bates playing without true wide players, nor is Bates telling players to mindlessly hoof the ball forward whenever it comes near them.

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13 Jan 2013 09:55:49
Why is it you alway moan about warnock or gfh. you all moan cos we not getting players in then when we get a good youngster in on loan you praise warnock light sun shines out of his arse. We lose our next game you want his head on a steak and as for gfh you expects them to plough money into the club just like that as thou our life's depend on it. Why don't you all get real an pull ya head out of ya arses football is football ya win ya lose ya play outstanding ya play absolutely crap and then ya got ya boggy grounds and Barnsley is one of them. I av been a leeds fan for 30 years and I knew by looking at all stats that we would lose at Barnsley and if all you leeds fan did not av in the back of ya minds that we may my lose with our record down there then you all must pull ya head from cloud nine and get real

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Ya this Ya that, don't ya understand the fans that watch the pathetic excuse for football week after week are getting restless, it's the same tactics for each game "long ball", if ya happy to continue paying money to watch it then ya in cloud cuckoo land.

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Yeah we all knew we'd lose mystic meg... Cause Warnock plays crap long ball - When do we play outstanding? cause to me we look like and play like a conference team. Yes we do praise Neil for his acquisition of Barkley, but we call for his head when he doesn't play a tactic that lets him play football and when he plays players out of position and leaves out the best striker in our team because he breaks the warnock mould by having finesse and making the game look skillful.
Its not a case of boggy grounds... its a case that we never seem up for games like that and that's the managers job to motivate players to do that.
As for GFH of course I expect them to invest....I invest my cash they should invest theirs. If they didn't want to invest they should have let Haskell buy the club. I wouldn't dream of buying any club without having a few mill to invest in the team...especially the championship. All they have to do is invest 5-10 mill and they can get it back 10 fold from being back in the prem. Also If they don't realise Warnock is crap, then they shouldn't be near football.

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I just can't see what he is trying to do with the team, we don't have the players for the long ball game and we don't have the players to play a passing game, we leek goals, get over powered in midfield and the players look like they don't know what they are supposed to be doing. He never plays the same side and some of his substitutions are baffling . His post match interviews are terrible, he talks absolute rubbish ...... I don't want us to go splashing the cash now and then him leave in may and Leeds be stuck with all his 30 odd year old crap . There are plenty of good managers out there that could do a good job given Leeds resources . I say spend nothing now, let him run his course, get someone in strait after the season ends with a clear agenda to build a good footballing side with a underlying trend towards younger players. Its time we saw some decent football at Elland road, we've had ten years of utter bilge !!!!!

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It's the manner in which we lose, no spirit, no passion or desire to win or compete. And no wonder with Warnocks tactics, he's had almost a year to turn things around to a level which is not unreasonable to expect from a bloke of his experience and knowledge of the game. It's clearly not happening so time for Warnock to leave cos it never will happen for Leeds with him as manager. Leeds supporters deserve better !.

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13 Jan 2013 09:10:03
I agree with all the fans calling for NW I don't normally do that. But recently we do not look like a promotion winning team. Not one shot on target again we need wingers fast and with a good cross. He doesn't seem to know what he is doing we should change now. I think if we lose against Bristol city then we should have a change that should have been 3 points yesterday they only won once in 15 games and we couldn't even get a shot on target ... What a joke

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13 Jan 2013 09:00:19
Di canio poyet odriscoll billy davies or even grayson all play a better brand of football (not hard I know) get wornock out and give one of these the job and I'll be happy warnock isn't even a players manager anymore
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Not Billy Davies .

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Or Larry...or o drosscol...

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13 Jan 2013 08:59:04
Wouldn't you know it. Bristol City next up and they go and sack their manager. Is it me or don't we always seem to play patsy to the new manger or the guy (like Flitcroft ) holding the fort and trying to make an impression

. TeeCee

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The fact is that on present tactics any team will beat us.it's easy, pick up the long ball that Paddy keeps hoofing up front and hit us on the counter, we've shipped 40+ goals this season and it's only just passed halfway.

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Maybe we can sack Warnock to even things up ! Sod it just get rid of him anyway

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13 Jan 2013 08:42:24
Funny how Warnock's first signing of the January transfer window in Ryan Hall was nowhere to be seen yesterday, why buy him in the first place, he's decidedly average and was very poor when he's played recently! More bargain basements!

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13 Jan 2013 08:39:21
Like the other 5000 fans at yesterdays game i could not believe what i was watching yesterday, ther was no passion or desire from any Leeds player to win any 50 - 50 balls, no creativity, however the thing that concerns me most is Warnock's comments afterwards when he was asked why he continued to perserver with Peltier left back when we have 2 lleft backs at the club, he said Drury was ill in bed& he preferred Peltier to white at left back. Managers are paid a lot of money to make difficult decisions & it is time Warnock recognises Peltier is not a left back & is definately not the leader of our great team. Another point i would like to make is GFH have to get a grip of this situation now, why give Warnock money to buy Tonge & give him a two & half year contract when Warnock's contract runs out at the end of this season, if Warnock is doesn't sign a new deal & after yesterdays performance that seems unlikely who says Tonge will be the new managers cup of tea, i cannot understand why you would make funds available to a manager that has so far shown no interest in extending his current deal. Tuesday will be a chance for the players to show they really want to play for our great club, only positive point from yesterday was Ross Barclay's second half show MOt

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13 Jan 2013 08:23:58
What a disgrace warnock is
He said one of his teams would not lose like previously with Grayson and we continue to be embarrassed on the field.
He said he would leave if fans not behind him and he dosent.
He says everything and everybody else to blame for detests not him.
He is a horrible lying old man that simply hasn't a clue what he is doing.
What is wrong with gfh?
Why can't they look at his record at leeds and see he is useless.
We are a big team getting hammered by teams we should easily beat
No disrespect meant but its not as I'd we are punching above our weight
Please please please sack him. He needs to retire

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13 Jan 2013 08:14:28
0 shots on target, 0 corners is pathetic, what do these lads do in training, how we can leave one of our best finishers on the bench in mccormack is beyond me. It's not hard to see where the problem is. A) we have no wingers, playing centre midfields on the wing does not work. B) becchio scores goals in the box, the main reason we need wingers. C) diouf maybe one of the best players, but he ain't a striker. We had the same problem in league one playing howson and Johnson on the wing... It doesn't work.

We need flair in the team

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13 Jan 2013 08:02:53
every bodys saying barnsley are manager less
but so are we, players heads are dropping fans are turning there back on this once great club if warnock stays things are only going to get worse, if i had pumped 56 mil into this club it be a little concerned right now

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13 Jan 2013 07:53:34
Has Strachan a proven Championship track record? Neil Adkins or Paul Lambert I think would be better.

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13 Jan 2013 07:33:59
Lambert and Lambert please

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13 Jan 2013 07:30:31
I was happy when warnock came.i like his no nonsense attitude and thought it would work at Leeds.but what I didn't expect is when we played terrible was for him to make lame excuses.i thought he would come straight and and say we were rubbish.every week he comes out with a pearled.we should have beat forest, I'm doing a great job, etc etc.i think we need a change before its too late.i mean if we signed Walcott and Suarez it would make no diff as his set up wouldn't get the ball to them, so the good players look average.gfh need to give someone the bit of money we have and give it a shot.di canio for me...shrew leeds

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13 Jan 2013 07:26:28
Plain and simple, this league is like the prem of a few years ago and Warnock couldn't hack that. The game has moved on and we have moved back. Lets get a new boss and build for the future and for gods sake bring in the kids

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13 Jan 2013 07:21:32
Keep the faith Leeds fans, yes we lost yesterday and we were all extremely angry which is understandable......but we're Leeds united we'll come bouncing back we always do even if it is Warnock in charge, season isn't over yet whilst there is still games to be played and points to be won anything is possible with a bit of form. Warnock has said he's got a few signings lined up, who knows who they are we could be very surprised nobody knew anything about Barkley coming and it just happened, we can still make a season of this!! Lets keep marching on together!!

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(1) A bit of form ? Not likely is it, the team is NW choice and they ain't raising their game for him.
(2) NW all the time is looking to bring in a few more faces, icing on the cake - Not much point in icing the cake if it tastes rubbish
(3) NW generally talks controversial this is a smoke screen to divert the attention away from the fact that he is doing a rubbish job.

Get rid NOW and get a good passionate manager in a build for next season

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13 Jan 2013 05:07:16
A wish for Mondays paper

Neil Warnock has been sacked as manager of Leeds you ited
The current owners gfh did not thank Neil Warnkck for his services. They agreed with 100% of the fans, they said eil Warnocks record as manager of Leeds was atrocious. He can't manage, hires poor d back room staff and bought crap player. They also said his motivation al skills were non existent and really didn't have a clue why he was hired in the first place. Neil Warnock. They said, gas set this great club back about 5 years. They did not wish him well just hurried him along

I wish

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13 Jan 2013 03:54:06
I too think Warnock is not the right man for the job, but guys there is 11 players on the pitch that also need a huge kick up the back side.
Warnocks tatics may be wrong, he may play players out of position, but those players still have a responsibility to perform. People say he has lost the dressing room, maybe but the players still have no excuse for not giving 100% every game, regardless of who the manager is or what his tatics are, they get paid for doing a job, which 99% are not doing at the moment.
Personally I think we need more than a couple of extra players, the squad is as bad as the one Larry left. Same quality just different names.
Lets face it NW has been playing the same team for the last 10 yrs, and he brought that team to LEEDS.
The current team are not fit to pull on that white shirt, I could go into names of who should go, who we should bring in but what would that achieve.
GFH need a re-think and quick, either invest big time now, with quality or see your investment drain away, and don't be fooled GFH don't give a f**k about LUFC, they are just trying to maximise profit then sell. GFH that won't happen if we are not Premier League and we are Long Way Off.

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13 Jan 2013 02:46:33
I've backed Warnock since he took over and was certain that he was the man for the job... Things have definately changed. Personally, I think he's either his touch or he's lost the dressing room 'cos things are not right at LUFC based on the last few months. Sorry to say it but Warnock, please step down.

As a replacement, I know I'm going to invite hatred here but still, hire O'Driscoll. He had Doncaster playing some lovely football once upon a time and they didn't have the ability to attract good players we will have.

I say "will have" because Shaun Harvey needs to **** off too. Get somebody competent there.

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13 Jan 2013 01:19:30
A really disappointing defeat today, the main reason is clearly the lack of quality lets look at our current main starting squad.Firstly Kenny was not needed he is clearly past his best he appears slow and is getting beaten too easily for my liking.Next Peltier not defensively aware and no way a leader, Pearce too slow at this level and is now being found out too often.Tate not good enough to get anywhere near a first team place at Swansea but we take him on he plays quite well initially but is now being showed up for a lack of pace and again past his best. Tonge again nowhere good enough for a place at Stoke so we take him on he scores a couple of goals and we then offer him a contract again not quick enough and and adds no value to the squad overall.We then have Norris again too slow has showed glimpses of a decent player but again not going to make a real difference.Green again signs of a decent player but has been in and out has scored a few important goals though and maybe a decent player but until we see him for a few games in a row the jury is still out.Diouf started the season well but has drifted out of games too much and his spark seems to have gone off recently but clearly has quality.Austin again looked good good before his injury but struggling for form at present but did show signs of his quality before .Hall not good enough for the championship enough said. Mc Cormack done nothing since returning from injury clearly not in form but in his defence needs a run of games starting, not off the bench.Becchio cannot argue that he has been our shining light in respect of goals scored and without him we would be 10 places lower however does lack pace and mainly plays with his back to goal and in certain games does go missing .This leaves our rays of hope Byram absolute quality cannot allow him to leave, Lees although a indifferent season so far has real promise although again does lack real height and pace to be a top defender I believe. Barkley although on loan is great signing and hope we can keep him for the season. White always hope that he is going to use his pace but game awareness is poor and struggles to defend when playing in the back .Poleon I believe needs a run looked good early on before going out on loan and a player for the future.So in summary I believe the only players we have that I would want to keep are Poleon, McCormack, Lees Byram, Barkley and Austin therefore out of a squad of over 25 players we have 6 I believe are good enough.The problem now is we are lumbered with most until at least the summer and this is when we will have to offload a huge number of players and sign at least 10-15 new ones which will be mega expensive and would require minimum investment of between 10-15 million pounds, are we in a position to do this if not then we will remain at the same level for a number of seasons to come.Sorry for the long post but so fed up at present and needed to write something to ease my frustrations

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13 Jan 2013 00:57:33
No joke. We have gone backwards!
We might as well still have bates and Grayson.

When new owners come in at other clubs for example Leicester, notts forest
They spend a decent amount of cash straight away(when they can)
We however have had no sign of this and only negatives for example: woods to Leicester, missing out on 8-9 targets, signing tonge ( if we had money I'm sure tonge wouldn't have been the first option.)
We have Ross Barkley on loan which is good but he looks out of place at leeds! We haven't got a player like him(young creative). It feels weird to see a player like this as I'm used to the slow 30+ brigade!
Trust us to get the only owners that don't spend real money! Leeds all over!

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13 Jan 2013 00:20:43
god can it get any worse, well sorry to say yes it can, here's why, 1, gfh will not sack warnock, according to them he was part of the deal and they think[lol] that he is a legend, 2warnock said we would not see anymore of these type of performances, well we see them every week, and he said he would only stay if the fans wanted him to, well we don't, but bet he doesn't go, 3, warnock words are that he thinks he is doing a good job, well your not, 4, warnock questions becchio today saying his head not in it, at the same time we are looking at other strikers, what's the betting that next warnock will be saying that becchio wants to leave, we will sell him for around 2-3 million and he will be replaced with a cheaper option, 5, this is all sounding the same as before with bates, sell off assets and get in cheaper rubbish, 6 not heard a word from our new owners since the takeover, 7 bates still here, 8we were told that they were sorry we missed the summer transfer market but would put things in place ready for the jan window, and here we are again with the same old excuses, ie, everyone wants more money off us when we try to sign someone, we have made inquiries but nothing has happened yet, we had a few signings lined up but only to be told later they have fell through, we if are not still under bates rule, which is looking more and more likely that we are finding out that the new owners want to run the club in the same way, i think that byram and lees will go the same way as howson and the rest if not now then in the summer, new owners?seems like the same sh** to me, i love this club but i think we are in more trouble then we all think, hope i'm wrong on that but sadly i don't think so, warnock out and if gfh don't pull their finger out soon they can bugger off too, we have had 8 years of this bu*****t, we are fed up with it and should stand for it any longer, MOT.

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It's actually 9 years now

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13 Jan 2013 08:10:02
It was bates that put Warnock as part of the deal not gfh . gfh would of just offered Warnock a contract when they took over the club if it was them that put it in the deal.Warnock wasn't gonna get sacked before they took over so he would of been in place anyway .

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13 Jan 2013 00:13:51
Well where exactly do I start? Like a lot of Leeds fans I supported the appointment of Warnock, however GFH must surely dispense of his services now and cut their losses. No pace, no flair, no tactics, no defence, no goals. I'm afraid he. Is an egotistical manager who deflects from his own poor failings as after all he has 7 promotions under his belt so who dare question his management skills. Well Neil we do as I have seen no evidence of this great mans skills in any shape or form. He is blind and stuck in the past and too stubborn to admit this. I can't see him walking so it's over to GFH to do the honourable thing and put everyone out of their misery please....

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I don't think he has any skills. we should have listened to joey baron he said warnock was tactically inept and clueless and his assistant did all the work.....how right he was Karl mot

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I am not a fan of Barton but have to say that I think he had a point with his comments about Warnock.

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13 Jan 2013 00:09:03
Wouldn't like to see Warnock sacked myself, why would we want to be left with a load of Warnock's players and no Warnock. Might have to accept a season of boring home wins and away defeats until he leaves at the end of the season. Although we're so much worse to watch we're no better than we were last season under Grayson...a man who got very lucky (anyone remember four straight wins against four teams ending up with ten men.) Defence is also better, but we have no midfield at all, need somebody who can seriously play as at times today they looked clueless.

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We conceed more under Colin than we did Grayson

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Hmmmm. New midfield. Dont kenny and this good defence of ours chose to bypass midfield in games

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A decent manager would get more out of the players we have even if they were Warnocks players. Then could sort things out fully at the end of this season. NOW is exactly the right time to get rid of Warnock

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12 Jan 2013 23:51:45
Heard from a reliable source that Warnock is on the verge of sealing a deal to bring Steve Kabba into the club as he know from previous experience that he is very effective at running onto long balls. Barnet are apparently willing to allow him out on a short term loan

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12 Jan 2013 23:23:34
OMG. 0 shots on target in 90 minutes against a managerless bottom of the league club, early on I thought he might have been, but Warnock is not the man for the job, his tacticks are terrible, playing players clearly out of position and just awful long ball tacktics... All I can say is what a waste of a season!

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Did i not seee see barkley smash the bar at 0-0?

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12 Jan 2013 23:08:22
Arguably yes, this seasons championship is probably the toughest league...but we need consistency to hope to get out of it..how can we end 14 game unbeaten run for palace beat Leicester then get embarassed by forest, hull and Barnsley!....Should have kept lonergan, Kenny is garbage!..something there is wrong!!..we need to snap out if this quickly!

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12 Jan 2013 23:03:30
Anyone get the feeling warnock only took the job to destroy LEEDS letting all the young hungry players go and give all his old ex players a fat contract to retire on MOT.....jp

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12 Jan 2013 23:02:59
Warnock has said on several occasions if he felt the fans didn't want him he would walk.Bye bye Neil enjoy cornwall and your tractor.You are an out of date dinosour.Totally outplayed by the bottom team who hadnt won a game at home since september.Your long ball game is in the past.Football now mr warnock is about passing movement ball retention being able to break teams down.I have supported LEEDS for nearly 40 years i have never seen such crap in all that time.To hear you talk you think you are something special you are a total joke its never your fault is it.You always blame anybody but yourself.You are not going to get your record promotion with us there is no chance of that so do the right thing and go.Or gfh do the right thing sack the dinosour and bring in a young manager who will play some football and take the club forward.

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12 Jan 2013 22:52:36
I don't mind if we win or lose the fact is we need to start passing it. I would rarther watch us pass and play a bit and lose, Than just hoof it and get lucky scrap wins, we need a manager that plays a atractive style.and not a manager that is always intrested in old timers.

- Fozzy

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12 Jan 2013 22:35:12
I don't care if you disagree warnock WILL take us up this year, im so confident ill sign my name on the post so at the end of year when every1 is loving him again remember i said he'll take us there
BAINESYBOY

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Have you been to a single game this year? are you even a fan?

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Bainesyboy what planet are you on ..if leeds go up this year i will give you the 150 quid that a man you friend(yes i said friend) will pay me plus 150 of my own money..if they don't you give me 100..now how certain are you..jd

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Yeah bet £150 against u, to win £150 or bet £150 on leeds to go up and get paid £569 from bookies, good 1 clever clogs. And yeah season ticket holder to answer 1st reply, we play a poor style but he gets us points so i don't care how we win, real madrid drew to bottom of there league, and 15 points behind leaders SACK MOURINHO i think not. Warnock has the best record at this level. So it would be stupid to sack him UNLESS we had a very good manager lined up already
BAINESYBOY

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You're deluded BAINEYBOY. How many points did he get us against bottom of the table Barnsley yesterday? Where are we in the league? He's spent more money on players in the last 12 months than the last 3 managers combined yet we're lower down the league than a year ago and playing the worst football I've seen in 43 years of going to the games.

One shot on target in the last 3 league matches and that was a penalty. Get a grip. Warnock Out before it gets any worse.

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Actually some Real fans do want Jose out.

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13 Jan 2013 13:39:09
Wat like di matteo for wining the champions leauge you don't no much baines boy wat about warnocks 8 relagations can answer that for me.

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12 Jan 2013 22:29:41
I reckon that GFH are currently review warlocks positions and may not want to risk transfer funds on him if he is too depart at the end of the season or begin to bring a run of really bad results

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12 Jan 2013 22:25:33
I think its time we sacked warnock is record since he came to the club in Feb is a total disgrace, we play some of the worst football i've ever seen since i started watching leeds in 1981, we have no long term stratergy at the club, warnock's only at the club for his own gain we need to get a manager in like sean o'driscoll, kenny jacket or gus poyet and give them time and money to take the club forward and play football which is enjoyable for our long suffering supporters to enjoy

great site by the way

hurting leeds fan

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12 Jan 2013 22:20:26
I was shouted down when Warnock was appointed. His teams Play dreary football and is no fan of Leeds. I have seen too many of his comments in this respect over the years. He has got a last pay cheque and must be laughing all the way to the bank. He has done well at times with teams he respects not this time. I said it would end in tears and it now certainly looks that way.I Will still be at the Birmingham game and the next home game. Leeds fan = pain junkie.

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