Leeds Banter Archive January 14 2018

 

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14 Jan 2018 17:43:54
Our record in the last 4games reads lost 3 drawn 1 goals for one goals against four. It’s obvious that our strike force is not performing as we would like. This idea of a lone striker with the two available to us will not win us games. Roofe will really struggle against our next opponents Millwall who don’t take any prisoners and Lasogga cannot operate that role either so why not pair them both up and play a 4-4-2 formation With both feeding off each other we might cause the Millwall defence some problems. I doubt whether Christensen will even think this might be a good idea he is set in his ways just like Monk stubborn. If he doesn’t change things the team will slowly slide down the championship table and bang goes another season

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14 Jan 2018 22:59:07
Nothing changes does it. We had a speinkle of wins. Once again b lower level teams. We are unable to compete against mid or top level teams. Millwall will once again prob kick us off the park and win. We have players that we are relying on week in week iut that are not good enough. So what do we do? Nothing. No important buys like 2 strikers and midfield general. Aa last year showed us. If the midfield is weak. The defence will suffer. And this season we have no wood to terrorise defence.

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15 Jan 2018 12:37:32
Ausman Agreed lack of investment will cost us, it’s ok buying for the under 21s must have more then the first team now, we need 5 players of PA experience and we ant going to get that. TC is just meeting with the board and we two weeks into this window says it all.

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14 Jan 2018 17:02:25
I know I bang on about Orta but for all the players he's brought in the majority of our starting XI are Monks. Other than Samu where is the improvement? Weve played three of the worst teams in our division without scoring a goal!

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14 Jan 2018 21:29:12
HE ORTA BE FIRED!

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15 Jan 2018 01:44:53
Hooksie With Orta, we are not the Victors

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14 Jan 2018 15:33:55
Just looking at who we've bought in since the start of the season compared to who has moved on. If you grade the incomers as green, where there's an improvement on what we had, amber where they may turn out to be as good but not sure yet, and red where they are not an improvement or worse, you could say (with roughly similar players who've moved on alongside) Green: Saiz (Murphy) Amber: Alioski (Doukara) , Pennington Red: Lonergan (Silvestri) , Wiedwald (Green) , Lasogga (Wood) , Anita and Borthwick-Jackson (Taylor) , Klich (Bridcutt) , Cibicki (Diogouraga) . Haven't included Grot as I don't think he should be in the 1st team but may develop in U23s. You may disagree with the categories for one or two but it doesn't make good reading. Therefore I can't see why we should finish any higher than last season unless we recruit well during the next fortnight. I know the powers that be would rather make most of their signings in the summer when there's generally better value, but the risk is that the few top players we do have may be enticed away by someone with deeper pockets and big ambitions in the short, rather than longer term.

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14 Jan 2018 20:13:26
With the money we paid can we even say we got value? Klich was 3 mill wasn’t he and he barely plays.

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14 Jan 2018 20:46:39
Klich was 1.5 million

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14 Jan 2018 22:16:17
Klich £1.5m, Sacko £1.7m, Grot £1m at least. We could have got a decent player with these wasted transfer fees

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15 Jan 2018 09:32:09
Sacko signing mystified me at the time - we already saw how lamentable he was the previous season and yet we still spent good money on him. I assumed at the time this was because the coaching team were confident they could get a tune out of him but he just looks hopeless every time he plays.

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14 Jan 2018 14:25:25
Unless we have a nailed on certainty before 31 Jan. Then, is the logical move to sit tight until the summer and pursue, with vigour, some players going down (home and abroad) and some players who are shining lights in mediocre teams. Some of which may well be at the end (or nearing the end) of their contracts. In spite of the passion and rhetoric flying about at the moment, the wise move would be to hang fire. I would not argue with the need for signing just the type and the timing. Yesterday, even with 10 men, we did okay and matched them for chances. I know some would say we should be destroying an average Ipswich side but the Leeds we have now will not struggle and with the right additions at the right time will mount a serious challenge next year.

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14 Jan 2018 15:25:32
If the right player to improve the squad becomes available, at a reasonable price, then you should sign him irrelevant of the window you are in. Improving a squad window upon window is the key to promotion instead of signing 7 or 8 players in one go and hoping that they will instantly gel

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14 Jan 2018 16:08:02
Both good posts above in my opinion. January is known to see massively inflated prices, so summer will be the key window. An additional 4, plus a few development players moving up, such as Sarkic, and we will be in a position to push on next season.

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14 Jan 2018 16:42:23
So where does that leave TC with Radz saying the minimum for this year is 6th place, without imrovements now can't see better than mid table for us

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14 Jan 2018 20:15:13
I would argue the prices for most in the summer were also inflated - not sure if they were any better or worse than in a Jan window.

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15 Jan 2018 07:44:28
Sit tight till the summer leodis, think saiz and jannson will still be there after the summer? . we need decent players in now to show the club has ambition, and to convince players like saiz/jansson to stay at the club.

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15 Jan 2018 09:33:27
both are under contract so if they do leave it will be on our terms. will the money be re-invested though? I'm sure it will be promised but we haven't yet seen any reinvestment from the Wood or Taylor sales that we were promised.

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15 Jan 2018 12:20:14
Fair points you all make. If the deal is a no brainer then it does not matter when it happens but, there are far more contracts ending summer than winter and there are relegated teams wanting to trim their wage bills so it is more of a buyers market. Also if a team is willing to listen to offers for their top player it is far more likely at the end of a season than in the middle.

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14 Jan 2018 14:02:39
As a team without limitless funds and languishing in the Championship our scouting policy must be to identify a first team prospect and pounce. Waste no time, for if the target is any good any delay and the sharks will gather. There are always Championship promotion contenders or Premier League strugglers who are on the lookout and if they smell blood will attack. We do the searching they do the gazumping. Prime example Aden Flint, on our radar for many weeks now West Brom interested. Financially we cannot compete.

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14 Jan 2018 14:35:33
I agree, not so long ago Norwich were taking players off us now it's almost the case of the boot is on the other foot. We were warned about Orta, just think had we signed Flint and Byran kept Green as what we have is no better and signed a couple of proven cheap strikers like Garner and Madine .

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15 Jan 2018 12:23:07
This player Kean looks like a little gem. If we are interested then pounce now even if he doesn't move until the end of the season because of a contractual loan. Don't ring the bells then watch all the others come running.

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14 Jan 2018 13:47:05
Surely the strange decision to let Ideguchi go on loan has to be overturned and he and De Bock need to be put into the Squad to freshen it up along with hopefully one or two new faces this week. It really is crunch time to keep our season alive.

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14 Jan 2018 13:58:07
De Bock clearly walking back from Belgium. At least he may have improved his fitness in Christiansen's eyes. Only at Leeds United

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14 Jan 2018 13:34:01
A lot of football to be played this season and we are not at our best but hopefully we'll add more strength in transfer window. I don't think anyone taught we were going to storm the league and start of the season was a false dawn. But not being at our best we are still in the mix. Maybe the transfer window can turn up more Samu types

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14 Jan 2018 15:34:54
Comes to something when even Wex is saying we need to strengthen in the transfer window.

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14 Jan 2018 17:23:29
Mezzer never been against strengthening the squad just been against hammering the squad when we are still in the hunt for playoffs or even automatic promotion

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14 Jan 2018 17:53:48
I don't think there is a Leeds fan alive who would say that we don't need to strengthen, everyone knows we do. I think, like Wex says, the key difference on here is whether people just choose to pan our current ones, and advocate shelling out top fees, or choose to remain positive to the squad, and support a more measured approach. Every view is valid, I just prefer the latter personally.

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14 Jan 2018 18:48:48
Bright would love to be shelling out top fees but after that approach nearly killed our club I prefer the cautious approach😢

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14 Jan 2018 20:10:11
When you guys keep saying shelling out top fees, do you mean paying the current fees for players who are able to preform to the standard of the league we are in? I believe we can strengthen with players who know this league without paying out a fortune. What has happened to the transfer fees we have received this season? Maybe if we slow down on our recruitment on players for the future who we sign on long contracts but show no sign of being anywhere near helping the current squad. Not really hearng many fans saying we need to spent over the top fees. Yes we For now are still in with a chance of the playoffs and like all our fans would love this to come true. But Unless things change round quickly then its looking less likely. But as some of you guys have said the bigger picture is the future. So Happy days.

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14 Jan 2018 13:34:01
One point and no goals v Birmingham, Forest and Ipswich is very poor form . oh and get knocked out of FA cup by Newport a terrible run of results . need to pick up or season will be over by February.

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14 Jan 2018 13:33:25
When is the time for Radz to seriously question the effectiveness of Orta. Even I, with a team of scouts and advisors, can buy young players "for the future". When my choice is not judged by salting them away in the U23 squad. When my only first team buys are, by and large, a disappointment. Even I can work on the scattergun approach and in defence point to my one success as validation. It's time Mr Orta proved his worth and found a young quality player, for a pittance, who slots right into the first team and lights up Elland Road.

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14 Jan 2018 08:09:36
Are we going to come good this season or will we just fizzle out . There are 19 matches left, plenty of points to play for, we are just not in the right kind of form to give everyone the confidence needed to think we are good enough. Think a team with those kind of attributes would have nicked a point yesterday. Also how many players seem to score worldies or the biggest goal of their careers against us ? Seems to happen quite often. Have to question Orta's recruitment, will any of these (for the future) players ever make 1st teamers, now at their age should they not be good enough to be straight into the 1st team squad ? There seems to be loads of money speculated on hopefuls for the future. If we had kept what we had last season and invested our money in decent replacements, for the players, we got good transfer fees for, with the addition of maybe 3 or 4 good players we would be good enough in a wide open league. Think also that TC is getting his coaching across, earlier in the season Ipswich were unlucky against us, we seemed to turn that form around yesterday, last season we might have lost that game by more, we appear to be loads harder to play against, most of the players give there all, we just don't have enough good ones and a number of Orta's recruits are just not good enough at this stage. Its hard to see an automatic promotion team developing out of what we have now and how we create that is the big question. Still think we need 6 or 7 in.

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14 Jan 2018 10:49:01
PA, wish we could answer the question are we going to come good or fizzle out this season. I guess we would all hope we would come good in the remaining 19 games of this season, nothing would please us as Leeds fans more to see this team give it a good go. What should we realistically expect? This season really has been a rollercoaster ride of a season so far. Yes I've been guilty of expectation and optimisum, and more recently "negativety" and doubt. I take my hat off to my fellow fans who can stay continuously positive, I agree with some off their points even! Building for the future makes sense, but to build for a future you must live in the present and deal with the issues of the day. Sitting back and ignoring your weakness on the premise that in the future we may be good is folly. I don't believe That I have heard many on this site say we should break the bank, but many agree on where the team needs investing in for now. If we wait for the promising future, we are in danger of possibly losing the few good players we have to better teams

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