Leeds Banter Archive February 15 2012

 

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15 Feb 2012 21:03:38
some worrying words coming out of old bates mouth about transfers next season,saying we are gonna change how we have run it,hes not happy we went '2.5million'over budget....more cheap cast offs on there way

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Or is he saying we've bought loads of rubbish and wants a big clear out of all the dross - 10 poor players out 5 good players in perhaps (the 10 out 5 in are just guesses to make a point). You look at our squad and you could only really say snoddy, Clayton, white, becchio (based on what he did last season), Ross, lonergan, lees are any good. We have LOTS of dross like Sam, paynter, Connolly, brown, mika, forssel (excuse spelling!), Bruce, bromby who take up a huge proportion of our wage budget - with them gone, if (a big if I appreciate) we can get some investment from the likes of this Chris miller, we have potential. I guess Bates is having another sly dig at Grayson for his transfer dealings - he's emphatically said throughout Graysons time at the club, he's only been refused on 1 player - a midfielder in January who I guess may have been Keith Andrews to replace Howson and that was refused due to not offloading surplus players which he'd promised to do

Im no Bates fan but I'm tired of people jumping to conclusions whenever he say something and people not seeing that he may actually talk some sense every so often?!

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Good post mate,about time someone talked sense,theyre that blinded by hate cant see the wood for the trees.

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Good post agreed, but at the end of the day hes a businessman and the ...... hates leeds as you all know......he doesnt give a toss about leeds history, future or fans aspirations - only his miniscule investment and significant revenue, all good stuff having a museum at the ground, our past successes are now historical so will be at at home in a museum, only a few will be interested!

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Cheers mate. I'm no fan of Bates and would love to see him gone but the simple fact is until he either croaks it or someone comes up with the money to buy him out we're stuck with him. I appreciate that some fans see protesting as a way of showing their disapproval of him BUT he's a thick skinned old get and it won't bother him in the slightest.

Just wish people could realise that his ultimate aim is to make money from us and he knows the only way he will do that is through promotion - he wants it like we do albeit for a different reasons. He's running the club on a shoestring as that's all we've got due to huge day to day running costs combined with the fact that he's not actually got a great deal of cash - he's actually joint least wealthy of all championship owners. Consider he's worth around £30m compared to the Southampton owner who is worth £3billion it puts it into perspective!

Again I don't like the guy and he infuriates me but when you look at the facts, you can see some of his reasoning. Venting at matches also must affect the players, just look at our home form, the atmosphere at our ground.....they need support now more than ever, not protests which in all fairness Bates couldn't care less about

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What many of you have somehow failed to notice is that this "dross" was signed due to the club's policy on wages and transfer fees.

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What many of you have somehow failed to notice is that this "dross" was signed by our ex manager. When you go to the supermarket to do the weekly shop do you buy food you dont like just for the sake of spending money?

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Some of the so called 'Dross' has been under used in my opinion. May not be world beaters but surely judging them on 10 minutes here and there isn't enough? It will be interesting to see if a new manager can get the best out of some of the squad players we have here.

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Does anybody know who sorts the contracts out ? Because if simon grayson needed to get rid of the so called dead wood, (Which he did need to.) Then How can he get rid of a player thats on a 2 year contract and nobody else wants them ?

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Thats a good question mate. Im not sure who sorts them out, i reckon Harvey will do the money bit and im presuming Grayson would recommend the length of contract. Those unwanted players with two years still to go are laughing all the way to the bank really, wether anyone comes in for them or not. Alan Smith was happy enough earning fifty grand a week warming the Newcastle bench.

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A manager wouldn't normally negotiate any part of a contract - salary or length. Those with a strong power base, like Fergie or Wenger, might get listed to by their board by Simon will have had little or no say.

He will have chosen the players but only within the budgets allowed him which haven't been that great really. 9.5m per season for the whole player budget is nowhere near enough for a team seriously chasing promotion.

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15 Feb 2012 20:52:07
m.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/bates_rules_out_mccarthy_for_leeds_united_and_criticises_protesters_1_4249964

All you need to know in one article
Could he be any ruder to the fans that come through the door?
And why be so dismissive of a decent bloke like Mick McCarthy? Other than because you are egotidtical, conceited and oh...you're called Ken Bates

He shows no respect to anyone - not the players, not the managers and certainly not the fans of our great Club.

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Not a nice person at all,if i were a manager i wouldn't want to work for him,i wish Grayson would write off his 'pay off' and tell the fans the truth about our club..

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Just read the collumn from the link above.
So Ken Bates is trying to raise £15m to buy the ground back.

Just 1 question Master Bates.

If you dont own the ground why have you invested £7.5m last summer!?

Please get the f**k out of the club I love ASAP

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How has he been dismissive of Mick?,he hasnt ruled him in or out,just states he hasnt approached him as reported in some papers,as for changing the system for next seson,it wants changing,way too many loan signings,why do people always put a spin on what he says,couldnt see owt wrong with the article myself.

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I think you'll find Stamford Bridge was the ground Ken was referring to regarding the attempt to raise £15m. Do bloody concentrate! We've got a huge and mediocre squad. Most will go in the summer. It will be an awful shame to loose Robert Snodgrass (as it was with Johnson, Gradel and Howson; PARTICULARLY Gradel). But we'll start again, and we will go up. Also; we'll never mortgage Leeds' arse up to the hilt while Bates is here. I think we may end up being thankful for that.

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"....we will go up...."

The next league we'll be going up from will be League One again, some time after next season's relegation.

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Only reason he hasn't borrowed money is because the banks wont lend us any

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What players of any use are going to stay?Snodgrass NO, Clayton NO ,white NO,would you stay at a club with no ambition when you can get more money elswere? oh but i forgot Bates is going to open the flood gates with cash,dont make me laugh

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15 Feb 2012 20:35:19
Who is this Paul caddick ? Mate mentioned him the other day some construction guy who owns part of rhinos or the ground or somat wants to seek permission to see books. I'm not from area but someone on here must have heard of him on here?

Chorley white

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Paul Caddick is a multi millionaire developer. He has built lots of speculative buildings all over Yorkshire and leases them out. I believe he has a large land bank and is currently building east stand extension

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Builder very wealthy I think he owns headingley cricket ground

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He'll be a farkin rogue if hes working for
bates

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Caddicks built the extension on the east stand.

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So do you think he would be able or want to buy leeds? ive never heard of him before my mate said his name to be honest.

chorley white

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15 Feb 2012 20:32:15
So does anyone know what the odds on Clark to Leeds and Grayson to Town are?? Reckon that might be worth a few quid!

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I would want grayson back then clark

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15 Feb 2012 20:17:24
How can anyone think that lee Clark and Leeds would be a good fit in league one terms he has had loads to spend and like dave jones has failed to cross the finishing line on more than one occasion. His tactics are questionable and there are far too many draws, he has less experience than Grayson!! We need experience not someone with a unjustifed love of his own questionable record.

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15 Feb 2012 20:15:50
Lee Clarke sounds like an absolute legend! Getting sacked from Huddersfield who were on like a 40 game unbeaten run and have a chance of getting promotion this year! He wants to come to a team that detest the chairman have fewer crouds than expected at elland road and most of the players are not performing! I'll welcome Lee Clarke with open arms and hope he throws up a shock to all us fans!

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Hes not welcome

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15 Feb 2012 20:14:57
it could be worst for us could be like rangers or any of the 8 epl clubs who hmrc are after rangers is a test case because epl clubs owe a hell of lot more than rangers do in tax

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15 Feb 2012 20:09:55
This season has gone, we can't win or get promoted so whatever NR gets next match makes no difference. We need to sort out manager's role, get rid of deadwood players, get a couple decent loans and buy an experienced cb or cm to control the field! We don't need a 21 yr old hopeful but someone we know can play actual football!

We don't want Clarke for manager as he is not experienced! We were a great team and we aren't now! We need to realise that and become what we were before. This may take couple years but keep the faith and support the team! MOT!! {Ed003's Note - No chance of the play offs thinking like that,history shows a team usually makes a late run,why can that not be Leeds ? }

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15 Feb 2012 20:02:42
all the rumours point to dinosaurs, warnock, mcarthy, davies...tried and tested maybe but not pretty and always end in failure. why not take a punt on some young progressive managers like karl robinson, dougie freedman or eddie howe......modern vibrant style which is what we need - ed what do you think {Ed003's Note - Palace park the bus every away game and most home games,can't see Leeds fans enjoying that,young managers need time and to be honest I couldnt see Bates giving them that.}

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15 Feb 2012 19:57:09
why would we want clarke ??? was coach at norwich then went down then had loads of money at hudds and still couldnt get them up !! whats he gonner do with no money !! not great track record so far so ? no thanks !! mot !!

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15 Feb 2012 19:52:56
bates has stated that nr will be in charge saturday what a compete joke i was there last saturday and wont be bothering this week.heres nrs record as a manager played 61 won 11 drawn 13 lost 37....... shocking

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Saddens me to say it but I won't be there either, been going since I was 6 with my dad I'm now 49 & take my son 8, seen some bad times & good, very good all over UK & Europe, but it's bad now, we need help & quick.

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15 Feb 2012 19:41:14
I come from from down under and we get very limited coverage of the Championship, so I do not have the benefit of seeing a lot of full games.

There have been numerous issues raised in relation to both ownership and management of the team, but I think it is long overdue that the finger also be pointed at the players themselves.

I agree that, overall, the squad is not as strong as I would like it to be, but the performances of late are not reflective of what we have.

You could count on one hand, the number of players that appear to consistently put in the effort for 90+ minutes every game.

Whilst a good manager can raise a player to higher levels, as professionals, they should not need the Manager to fire them up to simply perform consistently.

The players are professionals who, despite numerous comments about Bates not wanting to pay market wages, are still getting paid a hell of a lot more than most of us earn.

I have seen many references to pride in the Leeds shirt, loyalty, passion,etc. but the trouble with much of our squad at the moment seems to be that they are lacking in basic professionalism.

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15 Feb 2012 19:11:32
now we are trying to buy back elland road, yeah right!,we already know who own's it don't we ken

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It doesn't matter anyway the money that is raised will go the same way as the thorpe arch cash

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15 Feb 2012 18:57:32
KB and the BOD are interested in making profit it is the only thing you need to stay in business it also makes you more attractive for a takeover ask yourselves would you buy a business in debt or in profit I still prefer what we have now to the end of the Ridsdale era and beyond. Call rangers, pompy and all the others on the brink of going out of business and ask them what they prefer mmmmmmm

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15 Feb 2012 18:43:13
go get Clark NOW before Wolves get there first.

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Id rather not

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Hes been sacked by a division 1 team,your having a laugh

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3 losses in 55.

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......and only fourth in the league. Clark is a step back from Simon Grayson, and I have a horrible feeling this will soon be proved.

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It's still about 3 steps up from Redfearn.

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15 Feb 2012 18:35:01
Does Bates just wait to hear what the fans want and then do the opposite just so he doesn't get told what to do?

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15 Feb 2012 18:15:45
I thought lee Clarke would be a good signing for us however after today's developments being sacked by Huddersfield in which I firstly thought was that he was off to Leeds however after hearing there fans thoughts on Yorkshire radio it wasn't much of a surprise. If he's not good enough for a league 1 side then he surely isn't good enough for us mick McCarthy has been ruled out by Jen bates himself in my opinion Neil redfearn hasn't done enough to warrant the job as he hasnt motivated the players in my opinion we need Neil warnock I am not his biggest fan however he's probably off to wolves so who is gonna be the manager ed any ideas {Ed013's Note - someone cheap who none of us have probably even thought about. Maybe the kit man will get the job!}

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15 Feb 2012 18:07:48
Huddersfield Town did not give Lee Clark permission to speak to Leeds United bit he went along and did it anyway! Reason behind him being sacked!

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15 Feb 2012 17:59:19
Bates lies to us again,when we sacked sg a statment said we have 18 games left to get us promoted,now bates is saying that we will sort out the playing staff ready for next season,he has no intention of us getting into the prem,he wants to keep robbing us while we are in the championship.hate to say this but we ALL must pull together as loyal fans and boycott the games,it's the only way to hit bates where it hurts,we MUST unite as a fanbase to rid ourselves of this vile human being once and for all,cos if not he will devide and conquer,mot forever

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No,we must unite together and support the boys,the atmosphere with all this Bates out rubbish is affecting the players,future signings,and probably future take-overs,to say nothing of prospective managers,and the suggestion that Bates is here just to p---Leeds fans off is insane.

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I agree but some people on here actually like giving him their money.kens laughing all the way to the bank (well a bank in monaco anyway)

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Those who disagree,what should we do then?,let bate's keep taking the p**s out of us while filling his pocket's,

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Clayton stated a few weeks back that it didn't effect them,besides they either wanna play their hearts out for the shirt or not, they should give us something to be positive about instead of the rubbish they are showing us,no effort no heart

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15 Feb 2012 17:56:57
If Lee Clarke is contesting the sacking, he will not be able to sign for another club until it is sorted. This rules him out of the Leeds job.
My guess is that Warnock will use this as the perfect opportunity to stick one to the Leeds fans again and sign for Hudders.
Curbishley is Wolves bound, which leaves Leeds with the only option left - Big Mick Mccarthy

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Or Billy Davies or Dave jones or anyone else Bates can get on the cheap

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We will end up with Brian Laws

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15 Feb 2012 17:51:20
Lee Clark would be a great appointment. Look what he has done with a team of players who are not as good as our team but at the moment would thrash our team. Watch him on the touch line and see his passion I reckon he is a great motivator. Someone with his passion and no nonsense attitude would be ideal. He would also bring in Terry Mcdermott a guy with huge experience. After the dismal performance last night, the timing of his sacking can be no coincidence.

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Shame he cant get their team up to play us

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15 Feb 2012 17:48:40
Simon Grayson got us promoted. Clark is a nearly man.We would be no better off. As for Bates, he's not a person he's a old tight southern moron. It does make the difference. Now sod off south, like the south pole. Tight old miser.

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15 Feb 2012 17:36:13
Went to the game last night, it was a disgrace and clearly the team are not playing for redfern, those who went last Saturday will confirm last nights performace was in the same level of passion (Zero) Only 3 playes came over to the fans at the end last night Snoddy, Clayton & White Bechio just went straight off. Delph has had any skill he had 1st time round kicked out of him a Villa and would not get in a pub team with his current level of performace we have better on the bench. Sad, sad times with another defeat lined up at home to Donny on saturday.

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15 Feb 2012 17:33:46
right lets face the facts it is going to be either 2 men 100% clarke or warnock ! clarke has obviosly been tapped up and spoken to another club, thats the only reason they would sack him! and warnock is stalling over a job due to his pay out from qpr! makes sense ppl redfearne 3 games in charge bates said which is enuugh time to sort either of these situations out !!

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15 Feb 2012 17:20:52
friends theres no light at the end of the tunnel certainly at the end of the players tunnel at elland rd.theplayers in general dont care and some arent good enough.lonergan-good keeper,smith-why?lees-not experienced enough for this side,odea-might be ok next to a n experienced player,pugh-complete waste of 500grand,snodgrass great player-whats he doing playing with this rabble?-clayton-needs a good player alongside him,ross-classy lad,white good full back certainly not a winger,becchio-very poor finisher spends too much time looking for free kicks-misses sitter after sitter rest of sde then become demoralised.god help us for the future.

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15 Feb 2012 16:41:09
Everyone slagging off Lee Clark. Seems to me He is very passionate, annimated and I am sure he would not be frightened to kick a few backsides. Might even end in a punch up! Seems to get a good defensive structure,and as for having money to spend at huddersfield etc,well maybe Huddersfield is not a club capable of attracting the right sort of top class players. I really don't know the answer but we need a new man in NOW to at least have the rest of the season to see who needs offloading and who can stay. I think something is very wrong in the dressing room and maybe Redfern is looked upon as one of the gang amongst the players?
any thoughts?

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Ex rival bosses are usually jinxed, mcleish is a classic example

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They aren't our rivals though

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Is that the level we have sunk too a sacked div 1 manager. god help us

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15 Feb 2012 16:37:18
Hey! Can any1 tell me if this Chris miller is really going to take over? Ed, wha t do u know? {Ed013's Note - No idea, all hear say at the moment}

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15 Feb 2012 15:49:53
BREAKING NEWS
We are getting taken over yes taken over
one thing wrong it is by every other team in the league {Ed013's Note - Like it, humour at last}

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15 Feb 2012 15:37:10
GZZZZZZZZZZZ I hope it's not Clark. Think we'll go from bad to very bad. GZZZZZZZZZZZZZ I feel suicidal now.

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15 Feb 2012 15:24:34
Bottom line is we need McCarthy, Warnock or Billy Davies for the ER hotseat- someone who will stand up to Bates in order to sort out the team- our central midfield is weak and we need a diominant centre half- not much, but at the minute you would ask where our next points are coming from- we are a soft touch and the opposition see us that way- no doubt it will be Clark now as Manager- Huddersfield played right in to Bates' hands by firing him! In fairness to Bates, we has kept us a float but now we need to take the next step and I dont think he has got it in him- Boycotting ER is not the answer- if anything we need to fill it- at the end of the day Leeds Utd are OUR team! MOT

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Not Billy Davies thanks but I'd gladly take either McCarthy or Colin.

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If you ran a company would you employ someone to 'stand up to you' or someone to do what you wanted them to do?

All these 'stand up to Bates' postings are ridiculous. Bates owns the club. He will choose the manager and whoever he chooses will do as he is told or they will soon be out of a job.

Bates clearly has his own views about the club's development (museums, hotels, conference facilities) and has no interest whatsoever in the team other than how he might benefit financially.

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15 Feb 2012 15:22:40
If we appoint Clark as manager it will speak volumes for the ambition of our club - at least Grayson had some level of success but I do think he had gone as far as he could on the budget , so the logical thing to do for improvement is to appoint a manager with more experience of the division and with getting the most out of an average set of players - but no, if Clark comes in he is none of the above so it's obvious that cheap is the most important thing for Bates - no ambition,no interest in promotion,no interest in the fans - the man is not and has never been our saviour he is a curse

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Clark as done quite a good job and has only lost 3 games all season. if he can come and sort defence we will get a play-off position . we have a strike force as good as anyone else but with a nervousness as they darn't get caught 2 far forward due to defence been sloppy. sort the defence sort the team simple as that

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Bates wont hire clark..
you'll see

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15 Feb 2012 15:16:54
Reason for Lee Clark sacking is because Dean Hoyle (HTFC owner) found out about a secret meeting with Leeds United about the vacant manager job combined with the defeat to Sheffield Utd, Dean feels Clark is no longer giving 100% to HTFC and therefore sacked him.

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So i guess Leeds united will be getting a nice big fine then for poaching

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That must have been a really SECRET meeting then, with you, Hoyle, uncle Tom Cobbly and all knowing about it then.....??

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15 Feb 2012 15:10:31
Lee Clark sacked as Huddersfieldsmager and bates rubbishes reports of us looking at McCarthy.

Guess we all know are man.

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15 Feb 2012 15:09:38
hummm sounds like bates has written off this season but said serious changes to the approach of the playing staff next year? think its early to right off this season, if and its a big if we can grab ten wins out of the remaining games then thats a play off spot

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Give your head a shake..10 wins,have you seen our upcoming fixtures,i just hope we have enough points to be safe because that team doesn't look like its capable of winning again never mind 10 wins...our luck of playing against 9/10 men has run out

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15 Feb 2012 14:54:30
Your all going on about managers, maybe your right but surely it's mainly down to the players not performing, they play under alot of pressure due to the massive frustration of Leeds fans, last night at Coventry for example. they play without the passion, the only two players to come over and properly clap to us were snoddy and clayton.

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Think they play under pressure cos of the lazy selfish mid field

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What's with all this claptrap about coming over and clapping at the end? When they've been as rubbish as they were last night they're better off going straight down the tunnel. Who cares?

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I think they were applauding the chants for Simon Grayson ,the you don't know what you doing, when Ross was subbed and of course the Bates out!

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15 Feb 2012 14:54:02
since bates took over he has spent £0 . the money which we have been spending is the money left over from the sale of the assets which seems to of now almost run out . BATES OUT BATES OUT BATES OUT

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Thats right,hes just spent millions on wages,SG brought the players in not Bates,look at Swansea,Norwich,QPR.all had success with little outlay.on the other hand look at Leicester,Ipswich,loads spent still not challenging for promotion,all this Bates out every 2 mins is boring,never mind Bates,hell go when good and ready,the team needs support on matchday,its getting as bad as Blackburn,give it a rest.

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You're misinformed mate - I guess a lot of people on here don't work with big money so they're impressed by our 9m wage bill. Actually - it' a very low level of expenditure in real terms.

Our spending on wages may be 'millions' but all clubs spend 'millions' on wages. We spend around 35% of our income on wages which is incredibly low, less than half what most clubs spend as a proportion of income (the FA recommends 70% as a maximum). AND - that's not Bates's money - that's our money. My season ticket money, my replica shirt money, my programme money, my son's season ticket money, his replica shirt money, my daughter's......Get it? Not £1 of investment from Bates - he's even boasted about it in the past.

IT'S OUR MONEY HE'S SPENDING and instead of going into the team it's going out of the country to offshore companies, on a museum, on conference facilities, on a hotel....

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15 Feb 2012 14:46:27
Right simple solution..... Get Lee Clark in. A) he was on a ridiculously good unbeaten run and B) he may be able to persuade Jordan Rhodes to join us, and that'd be an awesome signing

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The question is can he persuade bates to buy him

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But C) he CANT get a team promoted

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Rubbish, not experienced enough. We need McCarthy not yes man Clark. Had enough of the whole situation now after been beaten by Coventry( no disrespect) but we should be beating them. Don't want another Grayson as we need a tactical footballing manager who starts at the back and works forward. Just remember one man doesn't make a team.

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Right load of nonsense. Why go for a manager who can't escape League One? Grayson's done it twice!

Grayson-knockers I hope you're happy.

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As good as Rhodes is in league 1,doesnt mean he can cut it in the chapionship or above,and the figure being quoted rules us out straight away,look at Paynter,had one good season in league 1,and will struggle to find another club,dont think Clark has the experience to take the Leeds job on,theres probably,3 or 4 available who would do a good job,ie,McCarthy,Warnock,Davies,and Cardif were always hard to beat with Jones in charge,if he cant shell out for players,at least lets have the best manager we can afford,not the cheapest option.

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Lee Clark= Average league 1 manager, theres 20 of them in there,. choose any.
Jordan Rhodes= Average league 1 striker.Remember Billy Paynters record down there. Ha ha ha

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15 Feb 2012 14:30:45
Published on Wednesday 15 February 2012 14:05



Leeds United chairman Ken Bates has slammed the fans who protested against the running of the club last Saturday and has distanced the Whites from Mick McCarthy.


More than 1,000 people arrived at Elland Road on Saturday before the Brighton game, protesting against the board.

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On last night’s 2-1 defeat at Coventry City, Bates said: “Last night’s performance was disappointing and players should be looking in the mirror, asking themselves what went wrong and why they didn’t play so well.”
No you senile old fool you should be the clueless fool you have appointed for these three 'winnable games' why when we should be pushing for a win we bring on a defender and then take off our best player on the night, the only one that looks like scoring?

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Also says we are looking to raise 15m to but the ground -thats snoddy gone in the summer then to raise part of that also why then pay 7m for the exec boxes when we dont own the ground.

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15 Feb 2012 14:30:35
Looks likely that we will get Clark now because.....

-Bates wont need to pay compo to Huddersfield.
-Lives in the area.
-Hasnt exactly dismissed speculation about the vacancy at ER.
- And other possible managers with more experience will have offers higher up the leagues and have more money to work with.

Personally i feel we could do with more experience but he has got good potential and is still young, could take us quite far i think and would prefer him to Warnock personally.

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Id rather have Warnock, Clark has had money to spend at town and he still couldnt get them promoted

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Warnock spent millions at shef u and it took him several years to get them promoted. Swings and roundabouts again.

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15 Feb 2012 14:27:52
Cat a for a game against bottom of the table donny what a rip off are fans will not continue to pay those sort of prices to watch a team thats is going backwards rapidly and will continue to do so as long as bates is at the helm i will not give him a penny to line his own pockets if i remember correctly didnt he say leeds fans have very small pockets i bet they do paying your ticket prices ken now get out of our club?

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So i take it you wont be going to any more games at ER?
Its people like you who are driving the club into financial ruin, part timers who only sing when we're winning.
You stick to watching Chelsea/Scum/Arse on Sky Sports mate from the comfort of your armchair.

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What an a,.hole you sound

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Why should any of us pay to watch anymore the chairmen doesn't give a toss,the captain has left,no manager no passion no commitment from the players,i have supported leeds for over 30 years not a glory supporter by any stretch but enough is enough!

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Vote with your feet boys, give up on them.
Give your hard earned money to Murdoch and his Sky empire instead.
a,.hole or not, i'll still go to every match and shout for the lads no matter how poor they play. When a team is in your blood its in your blood.
You will be back when the good times come again pal.

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First reply, maybe he cant afford Bates's prices, maybe if you look at peoples financial difficulties nowadays you would understand that, just because people cant afford it doesnt make them an armchair supporter, moron!

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15 Feb 2012 14:12:36
As we all know Ken Bates is a shrewd, nasty businessman. By opening his mouth publicly by saying NR was in charge of our team for 3 winnable games he did two things. Firstly he put more pressure on NR than he needed and secondly made our opponents more determined to beat us.

If I was manager of Donnie, Coventry, Brighton etc I wouldnt need any other motivating tool for my team just Ken Bates words. I wonder sometimes just who is a "moron". Lets face it all games are winnable potentially but KB meant "we should beat this lot."

Normally, I would agree but the players arent good enough and he has to shoulder some of the blame for that instead of making Grayson the scapegoat.

I really wish we could read nice, positive things about LEEDS but it aint gonna happen until a good new manager is installed and someone buys out KB. I hope both these things happen soon and maybe our fortunes will change. I think we can now write off this season unless a miracle happens and Im praying it does.(Any news on Chris Miller or new manager Ed?) {Ed001's Note - nothing yet, though I am sure Clarke's sacking will see the rumour mill go into overdrive.}

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Very good post. Harvey needs to go too. He speaks considerable drivel as well.

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I dont like bates but all hes said is the 3 games are all winnable which he was right every team is winnable so he never put any pressure on anyone.if he had turned round and said NR is incharge of these 3 games which we are guaranteed to win that would of put pressure on him .

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Original poster here I know what youre saying but Bates meant it in the way that the team should get an easy nine points - a stupid statement as there are no nailed on certs in football.

Im just sick of a man who despises the team and the fans and bleeds us dry, yet we are supposed to worship him for saving our club and making it fonancially viable. My parting shot is we all know for whom he is doing it all......HIMSELF!

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15 Feb 2012 14:09:11
Team for saturday lonergan connolly bruce/lees obrien white snodgrass clayton thompson brown mccormack becchio

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We need a change not the same crap week in week out !!

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Only way Bruce plays is if his dad becomes our new manager

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Lonergan
Smith Lees O'dea White
Snodgrass Clayton Delph Townsend
Rogers McCormack

Lets try something new.

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More changes. lets try at least one if not both centre backs and centre midfielders changed. Lets try a different option up front. Lets try anything to be honest, 25plus players in our squad, there must be a new route we can go down surely?

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Past caring what 11 play,none of them are interested,would rather us play 11 youth players who would scrap for every ball and play with pride,remember that when we had players who were proud to play for our club,none of this lot are fit to lace there boots

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15 Feb 2012 14:04:49
Come on Ken make another total mess of our club and employ clark and guess what it comes without a compensation pay out,your quids in !!!

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Just playing devils advocate here, but one thing nobody can disagree on is how inconsistent Leeds are. Well with just 3 defeats in the last 50 games, consistency is a trait Huddersfield had in spades. Regardless of that, seems to say it all about the mindset of our fans when one of the most highly regarded young managers in this country is deemed as not good enough for us. I'm not saying Clark is the answer, but really he's a reasonable shout. There is no miracle worker who can save this season, so if Clark does come surely getting the consistency he showed at Huddersfield here would at least help us for next season? I personally would rather he came than warnock or Mccarthy to be honest.

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15 Feb 2012 14:01:42
Yet again bates given the easy questions to answer in his interview on yorkshire radio earlier on all he did was rabbit on about other clubs if he is so bothered about them then why doesnt he f*** off and do us all a favour it is ment to be leeds he talks about and what is happening within the club mot without bates?

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15 Feb 2012 13:36:23
Lee Clark just sacked by huddersfield, thats are new manger sorted then lol.

No fee involved for mr Bates.

MOT

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Would be another stupid decision by Bates, how can a manager go unbeaten in 40 odd games and STILL not get his team promoted?

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Because the season's not finished? Because there are some big clubs in League 1 again, and there always seems to be over the last few years?

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Ha ha here here

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Thats also based on last season when the unbeaten run started ?

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15 Feb 2012 13:22:04
Ladies and Gentlemen please give a warm round of applause to the next Manager of Leeds United, Mr Lee Clark!!! He has quit at Huddersfield. Only one reason for doing so, to take the LUFC job!

A poor decision in my opinion and one which leaves me completely underwhelmed. I hope I am wrong. He doesn't come across very well, has never won a promotion, was an person in his playing days and is very inexperienced for a job such as this. We really needed someone who could address the culture of decline at the club and change it root and branch. I fear that LC is not the man, not at all.

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He was sacked, doesn't make sense as it's just cost them compensation if he was going to leeds

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I agree, I would like warnock, but hearing on the grape line Clark was sacked and did NOT quit.
He's coming to Leeds so i hear Friday Gj
wish it was Warnock!!

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True. I am the original poster, when I posted I had read on SSN that Clark had quit as Manager or 'let his post'. It inferred strongly that he had walked, not been sacked. It quickly emerged after that he had been sacked, but I had already posted. I will be relieved if we don't have to see him as Manager at LUFC after all!

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15 Feb 2012 12:50:03
Same old same old, first 10 mins look ok. As soon as players start running at us we fold and they know were their for the taking. And surely we should be gung ho against teams like coventry. Things will pick up as soon as someone takes charge, that im sure of, not sure what to expect against donny tho as their defence is as bad as ours. Things can only get better. MOT.

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15 Feb 2012 12:37:26
As a season ticket holder for over 30
years, I can honestly say I have never
felt so fed up with things as I feel now.
I posted on here at the end of July that
I feared we would have a non entity of a
season and finish in mid to lower end of the
league due to no ambition. I was particularly
annoyed at Johnsons sale to Norwich and
people said I was wrong and to watch
Michael Brown play. Johnson would and
should have stayed had he not been treat
like he was. Signing Brown said everything
to me. I appreciate football is full of
opinions but one thing that is absolutely
true is that Bates has gradually sucked
the life out of the club. The quality of the
football is appalling, the atmosphere has
gone, our fans are at each others throats and he has to be accountable. Now we have a
list of potential managers that are old school
and do not inspire me one bit. I would be happy to watch us in the championship for a few more years under the guidance of clarke or robinson and be ENTERTAINED. Thats all I ask for. Players playing the correct way, enjoying their football. Is it just me or do any others agree. Like I said its about opinions but I have literally had enough. The club is dead.

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I couldn't agree more with this post! Spot on. The life and atmosphere has gone from the club at the minute, there is a real doom and gloom around the club and im sure this transcends to the players and affects their form.

All the players are playing well below their potential, and are simply being walked over by much weaker teams. Either the confidence has gone or the players are overrated? Im not so sure as we looked a good fluid, attacking, high tempo side at times last season. Where has this style of football gone!? I am utterly shocked and baffled at what has happened to performances. We simply don't look like winning a game unless the opposition are down to 9 or 10 men! Then we still struggle! I mean come on! Who is really accountable here? The players..the management or the higher echelons? Im sure most fans think Bates but he believed based on last seasons performances there were players here that could gain promotion .Quite simply I wouldn't worry about promotion at the minute...this side would be murdered in the Premiership! We need to go back to basics and work on the club ethos again of passing attacking football with a solid defence. I think Grayson had got the football right last season...but we had players such as Gradel and howson. Things are bleak at minute and don't see things improving very much as our style of play is rubbish! We need a new experienced manager who can man manage and motivate this group again. He needs to instil a defence that won't give away 2 goals a game and much better faster more direct tempo of football. Maybe things to get worse b4 they get better? Concerned Leeds fan :(

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15 Feb 2012 11:19:45
Last night was a disgrace, no leadership and it showed also no passion the players looked like they did not want to be there Its time to sort it, Redfern is not the man, Delph is no longer good enough or got the heart. Telling that at the end only Snoddy, Clayton & White came over to the fans. We are Leeds United and what we have is not good enough.

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Coming over to the fans at the end means nothing. It's what they show during the ninety minutes that counts.

Also, I wouldn't hold Clayton up as a hero by any means. As he's playing now, I'd sell him. I 'd have Kilkenny back in his place at the moment.

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15 Feb 2012 11:14:38
What was it Ken Bates said, neil redfearn will be in charge of 3 winnable games h

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I think he ment 6 games.

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15 Feb 2012 10:56:40
After reading the post match Redfearn seems resigned to the fact that he will not get the job on a permanent basis. I am very happy about this, think a decision should have been made quicker about a manager. Need new fresh ideas in my opinion it has to be McCarthy or Warnock

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I agree but warnock for me

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15 Feb 2012 09:43:25
Bates should of kept Grayson until the end of season. After getting us promotion and just missing out of the play offs last season it's the very least he should have done. Shame on Mr Bates, now it's going to cost us money to get a decent experienced manager!

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Totally true. With Grayson we still had half a chance this season. Now with Bates messing about and giving Redfearn a chance even McCarthy or Warnock are going to have their work cut out to reach the play-offs.

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The decision to sack grayson was right. the indecision since has killed us.

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15 Feb 2012 08:54:32
best bit of last night. YR phone in - after listening to the usual pre-selected callers suck up to eddie and co. we have josh from garforth " what you got to say Josh"
"BATES OUT BATES OUT BATES OUT" then he was cut off, cue sniggering from Eddie and Tom K. come to something when the phone in is the best bit of the night!!

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15 Feb 2012 08:53:02
Donny Cat A game on Saturday. will we get 20k in there? £44 for 2 tickets in family stand - what a joke. BATES OUT BATES OUT BATES OUT

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£44 to watch a load of sh*t

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15 Feb 2012 08:52:00
Wonder what Capitain Bates will say on his propaganda radio address. will the interviwer ask him any questions about the managerial situation? no it will probably be what % of people have renewed seasons tickets and that howards restaurant is doing a great deal for mothers day meals. Just come out and give us some truthful answers for a change

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15 Feb 2012 08:35:16
save myself a shed load of cash and stay at home...... mid table at best, i wilk not pay out any more money to watch div2 football

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15 Feb 2012 08:33:07
It's that bad at Elland Road at the moment that I can't even sleep properly, can't function at home or work without trying to get my head round what a nightmare it is ,when's it all going to end.

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I love Leeds too mate, but you really need to get some perspective

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15 Feb 2012 08:30:37
Ken .. it is simple either invest in this great club or F****ff .......we've all had enough !

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Why did he pick the team and make the changes!!! not all his fault

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Maybe not all his fault but he has had 2 weeks to install a proper manager. there are 1 or 2 on the market without a job ie warnock mccarthey who he would not have to pay compo for.

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No he didn pick the team or make changes or invest in fact he does nuffin wiv the team .

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With the fans we have, it would be very unwise to rush into a decision.

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Rush into a dicision ,the yahts sinking.

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15 Feb 2012 08:22:20
I went to game last nice ... except for RS nobody above 70% commitment ... NR has t go... disappointed 100%

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It sounded on radio like Mccormack was Leeds best player last night and Snodgrass had a poor performance his passing was pants all night with the exception of 1 or 2 passes

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15 Feb 2012 08:17:40
Well looking at Rangers maybe Ken Bates is not doing such a bad job as we have at least 1 year more in us as we posted a profit last year. Maybe just maybe the players need to put their hands up and do things better now I am A big SG fan and you can blame managers for some things but the players are making the same mistakes after Simon has gone. Football is a business which is about making a profit which KB is doing football is about winning which the players are not doing apportion the blame to the those who need it.

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I agree we can blame him as no buys etc, but we are better than coventry and last night team and changes were crap! he as never been the man for the job. but i dont think mccartney is either..warnock only man for the job and thats it

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It will take the rest of the season for another manager to iron out all these errors which Leeds are making .just because we change our manager doesn't mean our team gets better in 2 weeks

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15 Feb 2012 06:20:37
That's it - I have had a season ticket for 5 years in the East Stand which includes myself and my wife plus 2 kids along with my best mate his wife and 2 kids - This year we have chosen not to renew! Thats 8 people less in one foul swoop - before that my mate and I had season tickets for Revie stand for 20 years. I've found a very apt part for Ken Bates this year in the remake of OLIVER - Fagen! "You've got to pick a pocket or 30,000..........." Well not mine anymore - Goodbye you B----rd!
I'll come back when your gone!

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Like you i will not be renewing , me + 2 kids and best friend..... another 4 out of ER .. when papa smurf has gone i will return but not until then

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So you two posters dont think we have the team to beat coventry. bates doesnt pick the side. in your little dream world who do you think will buy this once great club, we are in transition and that take time, second year up.. leeds fans make me laugh. unless a sheik comes along and is willing to loose 100 million a year you wont be happy.. well you need to wake up as that will not happen. and would you buy it with fans like we have slagging you off no stop. lets hope chris miller buys it with is 10 million what will that buy absolutely f..k all MOT or not as the case may be!!!

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I'm not interested in bricks and motar - just a successful or even a not so successful Leeds United that has even 1% of ambition and effort going somewhere to matching the long gone hordes of Leeds fans! I have watched Leeds for 40 years - ups and downs including 8 years in the old division 2 so I know a thing or 2 and my loyalty is unquestioned - in my little dream(how patronising) I hold far more than just expenditure against Bates - lies, deceit, Profit not success, sacking SG at end of window when season tickets renewed and too late for another manager to make changes, paying millions for East stand renovations leaving nothing for players, calling fans morons Etc

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I think we can see from the amount of agrees who we are with ref the post.
i also are thinking about saving the 100.00 a game for me and my son.and 7 hours out of my day.we are not after a billionaire particularly,just the truth about where we are,whee we want to go and when.even just reinvesting what we get in would be positive...shrew leeds

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15 Feb 2012 05:57:40
Why would Mr Bates want Lee Clark, he,s done nothin,he has less experiance than Grayson

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He's young and can be bossed about, and won't question upper management like every industry in this country .

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15 Feb 2012 03:08:02
When Grayson was sacked we were 3 points from the play-off positions. Three games later we are now twice as many points from the play-off positions having played a game more than most of the teams in the group just above us.

Says it all really.

Be careful what you wish for.

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One of the worst decisions weve ever made as a football club was sacking Grayson

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Grayson as a person nice bloke. as a manager garbage. imo grayson had to go not replacing him with warnock straight away or a manager of similar calibre was the mistake. 6 points have now been lost and with that so has our play off chances. saying that grayson imo should have been replaced last summer.

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Grayson is history and needed to be history - You need to move on mate! The Redfearn thing has nothing to do with Larry.

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SG was clueless why are you even mentioning him??

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I just love all these idiots labelling Grayson as clueless! Sorry but it's you who haven't a clue.

Simon Grayson is a good manager and he will go on and prove it with a decent amount of financial backing. He never received it from Bates.

I'll put it in easy terms so you can understand. Imagine you have been given the job of making a cake for a big occasion - let's say a Premiership standard cake. You will be judged on the quality or otherwise of the cake, and if it's not good enough you will pay for it with your job.

To make a quality cake you need the correct quality ingredients. So you do your research, identify the required ingredients and estmate the cost. Let's say you decide you will need about £100 to make this Premiership cake.

Let's call the person who gave you this job Master Bates. You tell him you need £100. He laughs at you and gives you a fiver.

Welcome to the world of Simon Grayson.

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Jamie Oliver could make one...

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15 Feb 2012 02:59:00
was at the coventry game earlier and i think it was the worst game of football ive ever seen, from coventry as well as leeds. Redfearn hasnt got a clue. I know mccarthy is available his teams havnt been renound for good football (we have good footballers but not a good team). Has to be Warnock in my opinion.

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Id rather have MM, he gets teams up and keeps them there, unlike Warnock

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I do think warnock has been offered the job, why else would his assistant, Keith Curle, have been watching on Saturday? It's either that they're waiting for compensation from QPR to be sorted, or they can't agree the contract (money,length) and Bates is playing a game by putting Redfearn in charge and suggesting the job is his if he does a good job (that's been scuppered) so that Warnock will see we have an alternative! It's too soon for McCarthy after his sacking from Wolves, and Warnock is now after the wolves job so step forward a available manager who the fans would support..I give you Gordon Strachan on a contract to the end of the season..each side has nothing to lose.

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15 Feb 2012 01:42:09
We are a effin joke, Premier League are we having a laugh. Love Leeds, Hate Bates.

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15 Feb 2012 01:15:09
Love how everyone is talking about the poor subs that redfearn made, yeah they were bad but grayson used to make them kind of subs all the time too and not many people mentioned it. Grayson in fact dropped ross (top scorer) for no apparent reason and never played him last year full stop!

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Ross's gf had a baby - he wasn't dropped. Get your facts right....And Grayson often made bold subs - remember when we needed a goal to get promoted and he went 4 up front? Lost that one mind....

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15 Feb 2012 00:42:55
To all you Leeds fans out there our squad is CRAP.Under Bates we have now the worst squad i have ever known and i have been a fan for 37 years.Money from transfers over the last couple of years over 11 million we have bought Lonergan for i think approx 700.ooo.Other than that loan signings or players out of contract.What can you achieve with this.Odea crap celtic dont want him so why should Leeds connaly crap Derby dont want him so why should Leeds.Brown finished yet we sign him.I could go on and on when was the last time we signed a real player that would make a difference.Yet we let go Howson Gradel Beckford match winners and goal scorers players that can make the difference.I am afraid this is Leeds Utd under Bates Yes we need an experienced manager asap warnock davies mccarthy jones they are all out there out of work.What we need though more than anything is investment in quality players and i am afraid under our present chairman this will not happen.You cannot run a successful club on loan signings one or two yes but that is enough.The sad thing is over the last few seasons the championship has been rubbish get a good manager with a decent squad and anything can happen Blackpool norwich and this season so far southampton MR Bates i love Leeds utd i have for 37 years please please please invest in this great club or walk away.

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Bates obviously is at fault for graysons crap signings now.. Wake up mate, could be worse look at rangers remind u of anything..

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Yes Bates is at fault for raising expectations without reinvesting. Grayson also signed some quality players - most managers have a mixed record on signings - the difference being that we keep the cr@p and sell the Gradels.

Bates is not the Messiah - he's already cost us 25 points from putting us into administration. He's the devil. There is plenty of money at LUFC - it's just going to 'other' (read the accounts) and on renting the ground from mystery offshore company Teak Trading Corporation (who owns it I wonder?).

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Agree with post apart from last bit, Bates dont invest just GO...(Put Politely as I can).

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Then send bates to rangers let them hail the messiah

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Another one bates has brain washed

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You can run a successful club with loan players.
reason for bates loaning instead of buying is just to remove the transfer fee .
when a team usually does this they intend on bringing in quality loan players with higher wage but not bates he wants to save there as well so we then bring in 20 - 22 yr olds with not much experience on lower prem league wages . this is why our loan signings don't do enough for the team . unless we bring in a few loan signings now we will just keep dropping points. bates will not sign new manager until after loan market closes so don't expect any signings

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So Leeds are prospering under Bates are they? Your having a laugh we had a better team when we were busy .

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14 Feb 2012 23:55:08
We need LEADERS on the pitch and offit.

Rudderless doesn't come near it at the moment.

I renewed my Season Ticket but as things stand I can see next season being horrendous!

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14 Feb 2012 23:40:33
we should all boycott the saints game at home,i know that sounds harsh but at some point we all need to stick together,i am a season ticket holder but would be willing to miss this game,with the sky tv cameras there and an empty stadium Bates would maybe realise at last we have had enough...i know a lot will disagree with me on this but the longer we all keep putting money in his pockets the longer he will be there,maybe its time for the fans to be united and do this,the club clearly at this moment isn't united,and that hurts!

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Thing is i do agree somewhat but this man is so rich and stubborn he probably would not care.im really not sure of what proper answer is apart from hard cash from someone else..the next manager appointment will give us answer as to where he wants to go...shrew leeds

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I'd have clicked disagree a month ago - I pay good money for my season ticket - but I'm edging towards agree...

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Why don't we get a giant screen erected outside the ground and do it that way - am sure that will create media interest

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You have clearly still put money into it though, you have a season ticket. What the lads need is for the fans to get behind them, not armchair fans. It's all about the team, not the stuff that should be in Heat.

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Its hard to put your heart into it when the heart is being ripped out of the club you love. and yes i will be there on sat and will get behind the lads during the game. being able to come on here and vent frustrations is better than doing it during the game. BATES OUT!!

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14 Feb 2012 23:37:39
think the Grayson haters are eating their words now expecting a world class appointment, well you lot now need to take a nice big piece of humble pie and realise you all talked a load of crap, you got your wish, and look whats happened, lost to the worst side in the championship, kudos to you all, well done

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Why? and what's your point.

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It is the hopeless bunch Grayson put together out there that are the embarrassment!

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What we needed was Grayson out and a decent manager in - not just a makeshift cheap option for Bates - redfearn was never going to be the answer , so stop harping on about Grayson cos it was time he went , and focus on the real reason we are so bad - Bates

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Its the hopeless chairman that has limited him to these players

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And what players would you have signed with his pittance of a budget and mr harvey sorting out contracts,by the way has he ever agreed a contract with any player thats decent....no...think about that,the better players want more money,hence they go elsewhere,if i were a manager out of work i would avoid the leeds job,what the hell could anyone do with the current squad,its the worst squad put together on a shoestring budget i have seen in over 30 years of watching leeds

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Some people just dont seem to get the problem Grayson had . you expect us to sign awesome players with £5,000 - £10,000 pw wages in the championship .not going to happen unless they are young and inexperienced and then they would be loan players as they would be snapped up by prem league clubs for the future. the way most of our fans seem to think we are leeds why wont these players play for us .well we don't offer high enough wages and why would a player that doesn't support leeds want to accept lower wages playing for us when they can go get £20,000 + at west ham and Leicester and probably even Southampton. us fans of Leeds would play for free for Leeds but i wouldn't play for anyone else for free

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Its amazing when he won the first match at bristol how many on here were backing him, where have all you people gone!!! not bates fault he just needs to appoint warnock, only proven manager out there

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