Leeds Banter Archive April 16 2016

 

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16 Apr 2016 22:23:26
Nice to see Caspar Sloth on the bench today. Why doesn't he get sent out on loan to get loads of experience, get really good and come back and score is some goals?

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16 Apr 2016 22:36:05
I will say it again. Sign Nahki Wells in the Summer.

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16 Apr 2016 22:10:52
I had every right to be cautious when handing over a tenner on arriving at the car park next to the Peacock. The car park attendant had a load of Pepperonis stuffed in his cash bag. I thought the pie tax had now reached the car park and I was going to receive four paprika flavoured fat filled tubes for my loyalty. Little did I know they were handed out to all and sundry. Is this a test run with a view to replacing the pies next season with this little Italian delicacy.

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16 Apr 2016 22:21:01
I came home with loads of 'em :)

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16 Apr 2016 22:07:12
What was the " SONY REP REPORT TO STEWARDS CODE RED" all about.
pmsl at the follow up announcement
" SONY REP PLEASE IGNORE PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT".

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16 Apr 2016 22:19:58
Loved that :)

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16 Apr 2016 23:28:51
I must say that after half time there was a "Nip" in the air.

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16 Apr 2016 21:49:02
How did kalvin Phillips get on today anyone?

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16 Apr 2016 22:09:21
didn't do too much, a few challenges, gave away possession at least once.

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16 Apr 2016 21:09:31
Today's conclusion
Score some goals, you can get away with mistakes.

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16 Apr 2016 20:38:21
Won a seat in the Radio Yorkshire box for today's game! On my way home with a smile on my face. Look at us in the top half :)

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16 Apr 2016 19:36:59
Really good result. finally a few goals. I know Steve gets stick, but I think he could really do something for us. maybe not automatic, but playoffs if backed!
Just want to say I'm really pleased to see Casper sloth finally getting a sniff! He's had a really bad time and deserves his chance! You don't play for Denmark if you're awful! Think he could be an important player for us next season if he's allowed to shine.

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16 Apr 2016 21:37:01
Agreed I think he should be given backing let bring in a few players. He could have a go at getting us to the play offs or better new season. You would wonder would we have been any closer if Wood was fit. Evans was missing the most expensive player in the squad for most of the run in.

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17 Apr 2016 07:31:44
Now we ARE safe from relegation Evans should be giving all these fringe players a chance.

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16 Apr 2016 18:50:25
It's one of the benefits that strikers have. They can be playing extremely badly and then an inch perfect cross and a defensive mistake hands you two goals and you're brilliant. Goalkeepers and defenders don't have the same luxury. For most of the game Wood was awful. He even tried to miss the header when he scored. Even he couldn't miss that one. Good three points but two mediocre teams. Was Cook playing?

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16 Apr 2016 18:11:56
Oh Micky I'm here! It's your sister in law lol I'm feeling really thirsty! Lol have a spooners on me mate nice to see someone win off them!

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16 Apr 2016 18:07:22
It wasn't wood playing well? It was Evans " barking " at him that did it! Lol.

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16 Apr 2016 18:04:40
Good result, and nice to see no reference to 'other things' before the game, if you want Cellino out then put up the money or shut up?

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16 Apr 2016 18:02:28
Alright lads n lasses? I was going to post my predictions earlier but I've been pretty p**s poor all season. However, I fancied us to win at 7/ 5 and doubled this up with man utd (sorry everyone) to beat Villa which was nailed on to give me a respectable 2/ 1. 20 sheets paid out just over 60 and I could almost buy my 'spoons with this. Now where's that sister in law when I'm feeling flush?

Happy days - As Vid would say DTP, UPW

MM.

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16 Apr 2016 17:42:19
with all the golf evans swings in with a 2wood.

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16 Apr 2016 17:35:09
Leeds fans get Wood- twice.

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16 Apr 2016 17:33:07
well at man played ant and wood together and we scored three (as many as we have all season in one game I think) ? )
pleased to see SE try something last week and stick with it in the pairing of ant and wood. it doesn't suprise me that with ant wood played better
know it is only one game but I have backed wood and think next season this will be far more regualar and he will win us all round MOT.

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16 Apr 2016 20:46:38
Lets see how he gets on. He was awful (wood that is) for most of the game. At my age I could have put those two away. Still don't rate him. Every dog has his day. Hope I'm wrong though.

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17 Apr 2016 00:47:11
Harsh Hess.

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16 Apr 2016 17:08:26
I'm getting a nose bleed again! Lol.

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16 Apr 2016 17:01:11
Wow Chris woods he's a chip off the old block lol good win! Hey! A push for play offs lol!

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16 Apr 2016 16:51:22
Chris Wood SUPERSTAR.

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16 Apr 2016 14:49:18
BW
Ant and wood. 17-0 Leeds?

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16 Apr 2016 15:05:42
Aus don't be silly I can't see us scoring anything less than 24, that said we might conceed 1.

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16 Apr 2016 15:15:09
Surely our defence will rest easy knowing the wood and ant are protecting them.

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16 Apr 2016 15:42:01
Stats must be wrong BW. 35 min and no shot on target!?

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16 Apr 2016 15:58:04
dont trust stats I hear we are already 12-0 up, just the goals were so good no one saw them.

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16 Apr 2016 16:19:40
Goal! Woods and assist ant. Oh. Or not!

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16 Apr 2016 16:34:11
Ooooooommmmmmggggggg
A deflected goal I reckon.

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16 Apr 2016 16:51:49
Now that's just not fair. The blokes a winker. Go away!

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16 Apr 2016 14:41:32
Demonstration outside East stand today. Quite a number of fans not happy with Cellino. Thought we all loved him?

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16 Apr 2016 15:11:46
Quite a number of the 18k being maybe 100?

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16 Apr 2016 16:06:04
98 more than that were supporting him the other week.

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16 Apr 2016 14:02:37
Whilst we are on the subject
Does anybody else think goalkeepers are over protected!?

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16 Apr 2016 15:07:23
yes I broke my arm as a keeper in sunday league and to this day it don't move fully, I didn't even get a free kick the ref just asked if I could move my fingers then played on. that might of been a bit far but keepers are far too protected.

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16 Apr 2016 11:39:27
We are Leeds Utd . A once great club, both feared and respected throughout the whole of Europe . Mid table championship mediocrity is not something we should settle for. We should set our sights as high as possible or we will never return to our place among the elite. Simply accepting our faith will get us nowhere. The first step is to get this mindset right throughout the club and the supporters. alongside this we need to end all the negative media coverage . If the current regime cannot finance and run the club as needs be, they should get out of the way and let somebody in who can!

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16 Apr 2016 12:20:01
Best post for ages. Nothing I can add really, apart from who is willing to buy our great club from the mad Italian?
Because unless someone viable comes up with the cash we are stuck with him.
One last point. He still pays an ex manager not even working at the club, yet sacks dozens and dozens of background staff to save wages. Despite his personal wealth I wonder has he got a business brain at all.

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16 Apr 2016 12:32:56
can not diagree more, we use to be good, so what who cares. How about forest derby and villa all european champions but it is not doing them any good either.

fans and club need to be realistic and understand where we are. All this talk of buyers is pointless unless there is one. also this talk of MC millions makes no difference FFP means have to live within our means and our means are very small due to things beyound MC's control and not of his doing, maybe we could do what lesticer did and pump millions in hold in different bank accounts (cos people love mc's dodgy dealings don't they) then risk the rath of the fa because they would go easy on us wouldn't they.

we are in debt we have FFP in place what can anyone do other than buy tickets buy shirts and support the club to make the best of a bad situation

if I am wrong maybe there is something I don't understand but I feel no one will answer this then just post the same old tosh in another post saying the same negivtive thing when the answer is here.

eds, fans in the know someone please correct me if I am wrong.

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16 Apr 2016 13:50:13
PA, that is a quality post my friend, I feel exactly the same, and any players we sign must sit through talks and dvds of past glories, so they know exactly what's expected of them . Lame performances on the pitch just will not do! They have to give their all.

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16 Apr 2016 14:13:26
BW mate, so you are happy to wallow in mid table at best?
Investment IS needed but not necessarily millions upon millions. You compared Villa, Derby and Forest to us. i'd like to throw in Bournemouth, Norwich and Southampton as clubs we should be emulating. These are clubs being run from the top properly. Hire a proper manager, not on a whim like Hockaday, and give him time and cash to build a squad for promotion. Eight million pounds would get 3 very good championship players, throw in 1 or 2 free transfers and move on a few here already and we would go a lot closer next season. Everyone knows where we need strengthening and only cash can provide all these players.
Unless we are content to carry on as we are, flirting with relegation hoping to get to mid table?

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16 Apr 2016 15:12:49
im not happy with mid table and would love to go up, I just don't think it is feasable. I do think many tend to forget the debt and the fact we nearly folded. how many other clubs have gone what we have gone through to that extent? maybe portsmouth (who have big following like us) and blackpool and both are in far worse state.

I do think we are lucky to still be a club and lucky not to be in league one, so in many ways considering the sate we were/ are in I think we are doing relitively well and for this I count my blessings.

I do think we need to stablise (by staying where we are) and slow and steady progress (or even staying 15th for next few seasons) will keep me staified as things could be worse and at least I still have a club to support.

Also I think spending amounts mentioned on here going for bust might make us do just that bust. I think we are in worse state than many of us realise and would hate to see us over streach again.

it might only be 10 million but that might be enough to kill us off. I don't know but think that could be the case

as someone put on here early MC put in 20 mill just to clear some debt that is a lot of money and a lot of debt.

happy no, but content yes is how I would put it and I honestly think this is reasonable.

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16 Apr 2016 18:20:08
I can see your point Bermo but we are Leeds not effing Huddersfield! We expect more and dare I say it but deserve more after the last dozen or so years that we've had.
I am not saying we have to go up next year but we have to make a statement at least and spend a few bob and push for the top 6. Not multi multi millions but let's at least spend a few quid on a striker with pace and a CB of genuine quality.
As for Evans, well that's up to MC. Stick with him and give him a chance. Let him bring in his own players who he wants and have a proper pre season with a settled squad. Or bring in a new manager/ coach and give him the same. Not sack him after 10 games if results are not up to scratch.
We don't have to break the bank to push on. But we must push on or face another season and another after that of relegation/ mid table obscurity.

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16 Apr 2016 10:06:02
Wow - what's the difference between the majority of posts here and a battery?

The battery has a positive side

Don't get me wrong I have most Saturday's with my head in my hands and want better but it's Massimo is this and that, Chris wood is s#! te, Wooton, Bellusci and everyone else if they have an indifferent game.

It ain't perfect at ER by a long shot but it's better than being having to sell players on the cheap to balance the books, being on the verge of administration with the possibility of not having a club to belong to.

I think a sense of realisim is called for, after all it's OUR club whoever puts on the famous white shirt and whoevers name is above the door (YES the White shirt of Leeds is still famous )

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16 Apr 2016 10:28:54
It's hard to find positives, but that is because (We Leeds fans) set our expectations too high. I moan and praise Leeds, but I think I have justification because I follow the club up and down the country. If somebody has a bad game, I will highlight it. If somebody plays well, then spot on. There is a lot of negativity, but there is also a lot of fans who realise we are not just entitled to success because we are Leeds UTD. If I'm honest I'll be glad when I walk out of the ground at Preston as if it's been a hard shift coming to an end, BUT here's to the next season and claiming back on the roller coaster 👍🏻

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16 Apr 2016 10:44:26
The realism is that there is not a lot to be positive about, if there was we would be posting about it. Not got an issue with accentuating the positive but not at the expense of being oblivious to the obvious.

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16 Apr 2016 12:35:30
love the first two posts realistic and makes sense, makes me have some faith in leeds and my own sanitiy

not all clubs can be good and successful, take the highs with the lows and accpet the losses like we cheer the wins, what football fans are all about.

i will moan about bad players and things at club and cheer on my heros and good performances. but have to be realsitic.

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16 Apr 2016 12:58:35
I thought the point was to start off the season hoping your team would win promotion. Not thinking great we're 15th. Other clubs gain promotion. Why not us. Your only positives are we still exist and we're not in administration. You call for a sense of realism, ok here goes. Playing staff mediocre, backroom staff: diminishing by the week. Crowds: diminishing. An owner who no-one can work with. Fans of teams in the bottom half will struggle to find positives and we're 15th. Ask fans of Bolton,Charlton,Sheffield Utd,Blackpool or Doncaster if they are positive. Teams that under achieve have fans who will be negative and we're 15th.

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16 Apr 2016 16:02:03
Hi again!

We all have the right to moan and groan, especially JT who puts his money where his mouth is and probably suffers more than most. My point was its mostly negative stuff but it could be and has been far worse (Bates) also as pointed out the likes of Bolton, Coventry, Portsmouth all previous premier league clubs who would swap with us right now. Believing every August that we are automatic candidates for promotion is that ambition or blind optimistic.

Love the fact that there are so many who have the passion and belief for our once great club and whatever happens always will.

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16 Apr 2016 08:47:19
A post on another site but reflects my sentiments. Cellino has now got the wage bill to a level that is sustainable, has got a slow trickle down of players from the academy, and got a team that performs to a level that will keep them in the championship.
The forward view is on a yearly basis he can sell one or two of the better or improved players, replacements are from the academy, generating a profit, the gate and merchandise moneys go towards balancing the books.
Generating a small profit, relatively, is what he is targeting!
A push for promotion will cost millions, with no actual guarantee of success, promotion brings the need for more expensive player to be brought in, on top of last years successful (but not premiership) players.
I don't believe cellino actually wants or can afford a promotion push, that a profit while playing" football manager" for real is what he sees a good outcome.
Cagliari were run virtually to that model, I don't think he has the cojones or nouse to do any different!
Buy cheap or free, sell with a profit, ideal to run a corner shop or a market stall, but doesn't translate to running a football club.

Someone once said " to make a fortune from football you have to start with a bigger fortune! "
So maybe he's hanging on to his small fortune for fear of it disappearing totally?

I don't think a loss of season ticket sales would change the position. It may only serve to prune the player spend even more.

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16 Apr 2016 09:17:19
agree notts think it is good post, as I have said I think we are just at the level we are at for a while. I think mc would love to go up as it would make more profit however he knows it needs to come via a budget or not at all, a boat a lot of clubs are in I think.

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16 Apr 2016 12:37:52
Notts, agree with the first part of your post but not the bit about wanting promotion and he has (so far) only sold Ross who wanted to go and we got a good price and SB who also wanted to go (which as he was our longest serving player was fair really) and we got OK money for someone with a few months left on his contract.

If MC wanted too he would sell others and he might of course but the potential money available in the PL means that any owner would want that if possible but as we all know it is not just about spending cash so it is not easy to plan to go up.

Cagliari were in the PL in Italy so once you get there he planned to stay which he did pretty well (they got relegated last year I think) , but we are not in the PL so argument is flawed on that score really.

So I do think he wants to go up but also think he is pretty clueless in terms of how best to go about that i. e. get good people around you to help run the club, stick with a manager who has a plan, set up high quality scouting system, youth set up (ticks that box) , invest around 3 quality players to what we have now, circa a net spend of around 6-8m in summer on better players and if that done then we would have a shot but no one can guar promotion so always a risk but then business is.

Hoping for a win today, off to game, I would take any win as we have the second worst home record in the division!

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16 Apr 2016 14:00:46
Player sales value outweighs player purchases. How can a club with PL ambition justify this? The plan (term used loosely) is for Cellino to make a small profit on his investment at a better rate than you would get at a bank. This is why he was desperate to buy the club without doing DG.

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16 Apr 2016 16:14:39
this is the point notts, do we have PL ambition? and should we have prem abimtion? forget we were good and all that please consider the following

leeds go into admin- minus 25 odd points have to sell pretty much whole squad and start again in debt and with no team

leeds get close to promotion but fail in playoffs then do not recover and go into league one

after three years leeds come back up with promising team, this team is sold off bit by bit for little money with no investment back leaving us with over the hill talenteless journey men

man comes in with big ideas, over opininated and little expereince of english football

few bad (very bad) manager choices- investment into sqaud making team younger and not journy men- debt still there ground ect not owned- leeches still held on in background

over couple of years the playing sqaud and manager have got little better for the journey men but still long way off of being great

so we have piles of debt, sqaud recovering from journymen. ground rent GFH etc. should promotion be an aim above say at least 12 of the other teams with more recent prem money? better sqauds to build from? not been picked to bits by bates etc?

I really don't see where people say leeds are big club in this league or why we are/ should be promotion team. History counts for S""t and we have large gates but larger debt and most of our gates don't go into our coffers.

Ed said MC gave leeds a loan of 20 mill not a gift aid so to speak, that is not the point, the point is 20 mill had to be given to see us staright that is before a player is brought. other champ clubs do not have to compete with this which is why I don't really think PL is our aim at this point in time. I think to aim for PL next season is hopeful at best and this is rightly so.

IMO leeds are where leeds should be in fact given all of the above maybe we should be in league one, after bates pulled SG team apart and didn't reinvest we were very lucky not to go back down, before MC took over that is where we were heading.

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{Ed001's Note - the point would be how much of that £20m was needed to cover managers and staff that have been fired?}

16 Apr 2016 17:27:16
come on ed you are smart and know, I understand that is a joke but come on because you will insite others who will think that is what the 20 mill was for. again after risdale and bates, mc could fire 20 managers a week and not come close the debt here before. also ed again this comment comes into play. leeds/ mc are not the only club to change managers on a whim, our management policy is far more the norm than some leeds fans/ mc haters will give credit for.

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{Ed001's Note - actually, you would be surprised how much it costs to pay off a Championship manager and staff. It would be millions.}