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17 Sep 2020 23:08:05
Just watched inside Thorp Arch.
The lads training before the Fulham game.
Koch looks like he's integrated well with the squad, great technique and control with the ball too.
Coops and Forshaw both training and looking fully fit (although fully fit and match fit two different things) .
None of last night's lads training though.
17 Sep 2020 23:19:07
I imagine they will rest the day after a game.
17 Sep 2020 19:53:34
Leeds won't be signing Wilson as Bielsa has decided he is not the right player for him. If what Ed001 says about Wilson being lazy is right then I'm not surprised.
17 Sep 2020 19:37:54
Can’t help but feel sorry for Augustin, think he is being treated poorly by Red Bull and us, don’t think we are covering ourselves in glory on this one, a deal is a deal.
As no one is paying his wages, we should try and agree to take him for free or for a few million, but then it gets him off their wage bill, there is a good striker there if he stays fit and could be good for us?
17 Sep 2020 19:46:28
Much rather swiss army knife got something from club, he coming to end, JKA only a youth, he will get another club, but I do agree with your sentiment about us not covering ourselves in glory , you would have to presume its Leeds trying to swerve this 1, if club had a get out of jail card then surely it would be in the public domain you would have thought.
17 Sep 2020 19:54:55
The problem is Bubs doesn't want him so he wouldn't get a game. I also feel bad for him and completely blame Orta for bringing in players that aren't right and making terrible deals.
17 Sep 2020 20:06:45
Midfield, I have said it before and I will stick to the mantra
JKA has been involved with Bielsa training (including murderball) . If the geezer is still willing to come to Leeds then I think the guy has got something we could use. If, instead, he didn't like the training then i doubt any transfer would be do-able anyway. It's ok for RB to want rid, it's ok for Leeds to 'have to take him, contractually". But the guy can just say poke it, that sort of work ain't for me.
If he still wants to come, get him signed. £18m in the PL is equivalent to £5m in the Championship (using TV revenue as a rough guide) . We could afford £5m there for Forshaw. This kid is potentially way better than that.
17 Sep 2020 20:13:46
Indeed MG one other poster on here referred to him as a coup to sign him so he must have some talent.
17 Sep 2020 21:21:56
Don't know about him ever being a coup, bazooks, I always felt why there was 2 clubs who couldn't wait to get shot of 1 player? Just another dud from Victor imo.
18 Sep 2020 09:29:22
He was one of the stars of an international youth tournament not a lad in the Chesham Sunday league.
Or Luke Varney
MB was well aware of him and sanctioned the move
Had it come off we had signed a player whilst in the championship, that was very highly regarded not that long ago
He wanted to play for Leeds
The kid can play, something was seen whilst in Leeds that cooled that relationship
He’ll be back at a top European club.
18 Sep 2020 10:34:41
Other woody, Alex Mowatt was very highly rated once upon a time also! Not being over critical, but words are just that, words, Too often young promising players regress to below an average level for whatever reason .
Jka was nowhere near good enough that's why bubs has made it clear he not wanted here.
18 Sep 2020 12:01:30
Chris
The thing is if JKA was' nowhere near good enough' for Bielsa due to talent, attitude, fitness or whatever. why on earth did Orta and co agree to spend £21 million on him . sheer lunacy.
18 Sep 2020 13:30:27
Bazooks, I thoroughly agree with you, you know my stance on Victor pulling donkeys out of the hat,
The very day we signed JKA I said it was a poor poor choice, I base this on my assertion that both Leipzig + more importantly in the middle of a loan Monaco wanted shot of him,
For me that was way too much of a red flag altogether.
17 Sep 2020 19:27:27
Take me home 2 out today btw if you haven't got anything to watch. I hear they sorted out the ending for this 'season'
17 Sep 2020 16:05:38
Club web site has the highlights of the Hull game and also the extended highlights which is 3 min shorter! 😁.
17 Sep 2020 19:16:50
🤣🤣🤣.
17 Sep 2020 09:47:08
I've now calmed down and reflected and it was an entirely different XI we put out, Rodrigo has only been with us a couple weeks and we lent out of EFL cup at that stage last 2 seasons and we had great seasons so onwards and upwards hopefully we get the win against Fulham and then kickstart the season.
17 Sep 2020 11:19:04
Mighty a win against Fulham to kick start our accumulation of points
Plus the recruitment of three further quality additions to our first team squad to cover injuries etc
. would be most pleasing and is very much needed.
17 Sep 2020 13:39:59
Agreed Vid.
17 Sep 2020 14:04:39
So so glad we are out of the cup
Cant see as we had any interest in being in by the team selection and the positional arrangements that were set out
To my eyes this was just a run out for those players that haven't been and aren't to be used in the PL games coming up
Only Rodrigo could be said to be 1st XI, so for him it was a stretch of the legs and get him used to being the lone striker in a Leeds team. But even then, he didn't have the service that he will get from all the little intricate pods that Bielsa's systems provide.
With a small PL squad the last thing we need would be a first teamer being injured so early in the season. Better to see if the youngsters can do anything against the odds.
That wasn't even the U23 squad, which knows Bielsa's systems from last year.
Looks like he is keeping them back so we do well in the new, higher standard U23 league we have just joined.
I personally believe it is more useful for our U23 to be competing against the best U23 players in the country than a few cup games in a cup competition we can not win. Remember mid-table sides see this as their "chance" and use their first teams (Southampton)
17 Sep 2020 16:16:16
From what I saw of him, it was an error not to start Gotts. Has a touch of class about him. It was also a mistake to instal Kiko as captain. Armband should have been given to Alioski.
17 Sep 2020 19:30:06
It looks increasingly likely that Casilla will be staying with us so maybe the captaincy was to help him regain a bit of confidence for if and when we need to call on him. Plus he is a senior player and must be a good pro if Bielsa trusts him.
17 Sep 2020 20:10:19
Casilla committed the crime
He's done the time
Move on
I doubt the guy is ever going to be one of my all time favourites but having a senior international goalkeeper pushing you for your shirt could be absolute inspiration for Meslier.
We need to use all our available resources well. If we can sell him and buy better then fine. Til that day, its "Side Before Self"
17 Sep 2020 23:47:44
Fair comments Axe 👍.
18 Sep 2020 09:30:21
Players picked the captain
Gotts is indeed a player that can do really well.
17 Sep 2020 07:39:19
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 17th September 2020
17 Sep 2020 07:14:58
I know it's about the league and survival and so on, cups not important, but if your winning matches, no matter who your playin your instilling a winning mentality,
Wouldnt dare question the Great MB, but 11 changes, think at least the defensive diamond of Meslier, Koch, Struzch and Phillip's should of started, they need to play together.
I aren't jumping on the Rodrigo bandwagon yet, but its hull, but yes he needs time to get, I'm sure on here months ago I put Wilson forward as our striker, (7 mill cheaper) , but in high insight we can all say this.
Alot of those youngsters not ready yet, Radz take note
But if we win Sat and at the blunts we will all of forgotten about the caraboa cup
MOT.
17 Sep 2020 13:41:20
The thing is it's unlikely all those youngsters would come into the firsts at once. More likely it will be one at a time with the experienced, gelled team around them that would help them to settle in and provide some measure of cover.
17 Sep 2020 06:22:14
Wow Guys, come on!
Lots of interesting reaction to last night!
For me, at the moment everything is being done for a reason, survival in the premiership and the selection of the very best players we can muster from within and without to do that.
If you make 11 changes and play new and strange defensive combinations to test players, you aren't going to get the most smooth performance and we didn't.
Poveda, seems to have helped himself . Bogusz has definitely come back into reckoning. Other than that Alioski was Alioski and never gave up, not a bad quality! The rest will have helped Bielsa and Orta decide, what more we need, who stays with the first team squad and who we could sell or loan out.
Bielsa doesn't need cup competitions and he still has the under 23 and under 21 cup to use. He wants a settled squad, identified under 23 players and plenty of time with those players. If you want a manager who likes a massive squad, don't have Bielsa, he ain't going to change.
17 Sep 2020 07:19:39
Spanish I always admire your calmness but that was a reality check about our strength in depth surely . I appreciate that was a scratch team but really no one looked ready for the first team . I disagree about Poveda . First half he was awful . Second half probably our best player but that’s not saying much and he was far too easily brushed off the ball . In the prem that would lead to quick transition and goals against us . I’ve already commented about TR and KC, but what about Shack? He couldn’t defend to save his life . A far cry from his performance at full back two seasons ago against Swansea . What happens if Ayling gets injured? Looks like he’s gone backwards to me . Bogusz also not ready to fill Klichy’s boots, trying to do too much and rarely coming off . Bottom line what happens if we lose three key long term injuries . We are sunk!
17 Sep 2020 08:20:37
For me I was looking for some of our fringe players to step up and show everyone they are pushing hard for a place in the first team reckoning, was quite shocking and maybe a reality check on how packing in depth our squad truly is.
Like I said God help us if we have to rely on the majority of these players in a crisis, disappointed with the likes of Roberts who I still believe isn't as good as he thinks he is, Douglas and kiko both need to leave for both their own sakes and the teams. Alioski gives his all when he is interested but unlikely to be a regular starter in the premiership. Rodrigo will take time to bed in but should be ok, the rest probably lower league standard at best.
17 Sep 2020 08:23:33
Red Hot, understand the frustration but I think these kind of cup performances are a by product of Bielsas style which pays dividends in other ways. Bielsa improves players by intensive training, drilling and working together in small squads. Last nights team will not have had that emphasis as a group, thrown together with a young Cresswell in CB and Davis played out of position.
Bielsa is not going to change the way he does things, if you don’t think that approach is right for the premiership don’t employ him. For him the answer to injuries is not having a bigger squad but a more flexible squad with players who can cover at least two positions and identified under 23s for a short term cover.
If you bring in more players that Bielsa doesn’t want, he just won’t play them, like Augustin!
17 Sep 2020 08:49:41
Then bring in players he identifies and wants, does not make sense to employ a highly paid manager if he isn't getting a say in recruitment. I personally don't believe Bielsa would have signed again if he wasnt having a say in the players coming in.
17 Sep 2020 09:59:37
Apart from Struik and possibly Davis and Shackleton (as a midfielder not defender) not one of the U23s is anywhere near EPL level.
Radz, Orta and I assume Bielsa are playing Russian Roulette with our premiership survival without signing a quality goalie, CD, cdm, cam and a proven. goalscorer.
17 Sep 2020 11:03:36
Phil Hay is on record that Bielsa has the final say on all recruitment . But he doesn’t negotiate the deals . He’s clearly approved De Paul for example who would make a massive difference at both ends of the pitch and I just think we are trying to be too clever in trying to save a few million quid when we need him badly as TR ain’t up to it and Pablo can’t be relied on for every game .
17 Sep 2020 11:52:00
Bazooka, I think you might get 2 of your 5 with one more, possibly GK coming in on loan, Kiko needs to go but whose going to pay those wages.
17 Sep 2020 12:57:36
Spanish hope so
As three further quality additions would be most welcome and needed.
{Ed0666's Note - I’m under the impression you need at least that many. Eds 001 thinks it will only be one more. Let’s wait and see.
17 Sep 2020 14:04:01
Spanish, even though you always articulate well and are always logical in your posts,
There comes a time when the right words are ultimately just that WORDS, you say players need to be more flexible, but flexibility is 1 attribute they MAY HAVE, but ability is 1 that a whole host of our back up squad are really really lacking .
We are seriously lightweight in depth and hoping for flexibility is useless, because we will get pasted once the toll of the season +injuries inevitably takes its toll, years of poor purchases and underinvestment are right in front centre view now, because shacks, , ali, roberts etc are not good enough in the big stage.
17 Sep 2020 20:19:45
Chris
Our backup up squad is full of talent. They just didn't gel yesterday.
We are a first year PL side. We won't have the strength in depth of most of the sides that have been in this league for a few years. That is something all promoted Championship side gain over time (Watford, Newcastle, Bournemouth and recently Sheffield United) . Those backup players will possibly be first team regulars in a few years, but they need time to reach those standards.
Luckily the Bielsa model doesn't require 2 players for every position. He improves each player in a number of positions such that at any time of injury there are options for him to move in to that position without affect the overall play.
17 Sep 2020 00:22:52
WTF 🤬 let me finish writing and spell checking before posting will you 🤷🏻♂️ Give up for know. Forgot my train of thought. LOL
Until next time.
17 Sep 2020 00:20:54
18 shots with 35% possession, someone was playing well for Hull.
No injuries is a bonus, there wasn't any injuries right!
Was hoping for a longer highlight video but 🤷🏻♂️, anyone come out of this game with some kudos?
Players didn't gel the boss says.
17 Sep 2020 08:32:09
How many on target tho?
16 Sep 2020 23:45:30
In a way very glad Leeds are out of this cup as Leeds vitally need to focus on what is going to be a very challenging 38 game EPL league season
with no weak teams and with a bottom six finish extremely likely
unless we sign some quality recruitment in the next 3 weeks and / or we do not get injuries to key players.
Have we even strengthened our first team squad at all from last season?
. Koch has replaced White
and as for Rodrigo; possibly still a question mark as to whether he is really suited to this league ( hopefully though he can come good)
Other teams are getting stronger with good recruitment Watkins scores on his debut for Villa for instance.
Must win game against Fulham up next . # 3 points needed.
{Ed0666's Note - how many games has rodrigo played too early to judge him no?
17 Sep 2020 05:06:28
Yes Ed0666 agreed too early to judge him but I did say possibly still a question rather than a definitive . time will tell.
17 Sep 2020 08:33:05
Sounds like you’ve made your mind up on him already.
17 Sep 2020 10:01:09
I haven't made up my mind Martyn but was hoping not to have any doubt for £27 million.