Leeds Banter Archive January 19 2021

19 Jan 2021 23:27:46
Could be a double whammy day.
Our two fav fat men getting the chop.

20 Jan 2021 03:10:09
Hope your not talking about me aus? I do like a chop or two or three or four 😉.

20 Jan 2021 05:36:41
Thought you’d be a steak man Martyn.

20 Jan 2021 17:47:16
🤣🤣🤣.

19 Jan 2021 19:00:02
I have never said that his defensive tactics are not a weakness. He’s done his maximum with the players he’s got to get best out of them. Making them probably fittest players in the Premiership but they are only what they are in respect of ability. Bielsa will have better players to accommodate his style of play.
You Berm are a complete ignoramus and only want to see Leeds Utd football the way you want to see it, which is outdated football and very boring to watch.
I find your banter extremely offensive and disrespectful to the only coach who managed to get us promoted!
You know as well as I do that there has been a lot of managers over a 16 year period who have not achieved what some of us thought was never going to happen in our life time.

19 Jan 2021 19:36:42
when did I say I want leeds to play 80's hoof ball?

you OP are a jumped up mug who takes what I have said out of context.

my point has been this. Belisa is amazing, what he has done is fantastic, when his style works it is second to none

however our quality of players are not always up to this style when playing the top teams

and when his style don't work, it will never work (as someone put on here you can tell after five minutes when we ain't going to win)

so belisa needs to adapt in against certain teams, he needs a plan b so our defensive stats are not 19th or 20th in the prem (which they are in every area at the moment) and he needs to adapt when teams bank up because in three years here it has never worked

now personally I wouldn't sack belisa I would hope he would learn and adapt, however I don't think this would happen

so we have two choices, stick with belisa and hope plan a is enough or maybe look else where

people calling for a number 9 is pointless, people saying adapt is pointless, people saying players ain't good enough is pointless, people saying get this player or that player in is pointless

do we stick or twist because I don't think with belisa there are any half measures

you may say stick. fair enough, personally I think twisting while risky is actually the smart move at this point. that is my opinion, I think I can back it up with sound logic

this is not disrespectful to what belisa has done, it is a view on what I think he will and will not do moving forward

so stop twisting my words and take my opinion for what it is. like it or leave it.

19 Jan 2021 20:07:52
Think everyone needs to take a deep breath.

As you know Berm I do not agree with many of your views but recognise you do always provide a rationale for your views.

But I would ask you to read your latest post carefully once again where you finish with ‘ take my opinion for what it is like it or leave it’

I respect your right to have an opinion but you must also respect to like or leave others views?

You stated people calling for a 9 pointless
People say adapt pointless

I know you’re saying this due to your beliefs and the rationale which you previously shared behind it but do you not see outside looking in it may appear as yours (in your view) is the only opinion that matters?

End of the day it’s a banter site it should never be personal but we should enjoy the giving and taking from our views on the same objective a successful Leeds.

Don’t want everyone having to have a caveat of “in my opinion” but all of us myself included post unilaterally when in reality people might think my posts are a waste of space, I accept that but I never take myself too seriously after all this is our free time just a bit of fun ALAW.

19 Jan 2021 20:27:07
cheers class I respect what you have put here (and all your other posts)

I don't mind others disagreeing with me, be boring if no one disagreed, I don't mind others saying counter views or trying to disagree with my views

what I hate on this site and it happens time and again is when people don't like my view and when I back it up they can't handle it so they start the name calling and taking my posts and opinions out of context. as OP has done here.

I do think calling for a number 9 is pointless. belisa don't play number nines, we had the best number 9 in the league last year and didn't play him (or one of the best in nekitia)

I do think asking belisa to adapt is pointless (he has shown he is stubborn to a fault both in the good and the bad) .

I think these points are worthy points but with belisa in charge no point. like screaming at a brick wall.

I don't take myself too seriously (I spent xmas in a dress singing a gosple song in a church and put it on telly. I never take myself seriously) but the name calling and taking words out of context would are two things I wouldn't stand for in a pub and don't appraicte on here

I do respect managers like big sam, and do appreciate that hoof ball has its time and place, however I don't want that now at leeds. if I was the chairman I would sack belisa tomorrow and hire Ranieri. people can disagree with that or agree with that, that is fine but don't say I said things I ain't or mugging me off down to it.

19 Jan 2021 20:32:19
Stop being so defensive and sensitive and stop saying I’m trying to make you look stupid! Stupid you are not nor am I twisting your words. I’m trying to engage you into a dispute where we are both in disagreement with each other about Bielsa’s tactics.
You say he should change his system when we play a team like Brighton for example. Potter played a game I believe to achieve a 0-0 draw, he got lucky because of our disabled defense and not to mention the exclusion of the only player who can play a pin point pass, your favorite KP.
For me, most games where the opposition wants to play lock out and we have a full strength squad, we will win. !
There is no way that we are going to be in agreement with each other .
Berm, we will see the result at the end of the season, I hope for the sake of the team we love that you are wrong again. 😉.

19 Jan 2021 21:04:17
stop saying you are trying to make me look stupid. stupid I am not. you just called me an a 'complete ignoramus' . which means you either have no idea what that word means or that is the exact opposite or what you just said two posts ago. at least have the balls to stand by it OP. have some self respect

as for putting words in my mouth you said I only want to see it which is outdated and boring to watch. that is words in my mouth, 1stly you have no idea how I want football to be played (for the record it would be Liverpool or lesicter style as city and Barcelona is too tippy tappy I like a bit more directness and pourpose) so that style is neither boring or outdated

I do respect old style like big sam and I do think it is a good way for weaker teams to pick up points but I don't want that at leeds, we are beyond that in the quality of our players (yes we could use it last ten minutes as plan c but plan a and b first)

so you called me an idiot, twisted my words to say I want to see leeds play hoof ball

OP I don't mind a debate but be reasonable, use only words that I have said and don't call me names. I expect better

however if you do, do what you have just done at least be man enough to stand by your own dump. own it, because going back on it trying to come across as decent is really low. if I wanted that i'd join villa Dave and his Brummie mates.

19 Jan 2021 21:22:36
I was on your side Berm until you said that. 😂 I totally agree with you for what its worth.

19 Jan 2021 21:33:05
Think you referred to me as being an idiot in a earlier post and a mug. Just giving back what you deal out.
I’m not trying to be decent either, you don’t know me at all. All I know about you is that is I totally disagree with most of your banter on Leeds Utd.
I like this site and don’t want others to feel awkward about this spat, so in future I’m not going to respond to your posts anymore, you can do what you like.

19 Jan 2021 21:42:35
cheers villa Dave and sorry for the cheap shot but I will be honest when I can take a cheap shot I always will!

Op I did cal you a mug after you called me a completely ignoramus so what did you do that pre-emptivley call me that as you knew my next post i'd call you a mug. wow and I call myself the orical . you know what I am going to type before even I do

I don't mind you disagreeing I just don't like name calling think i'm a bit above that. and thank you for giving me permission to do what I like. means a lot to me, because before I got your permission i was always cautious which is why all my posts are sitting on the fence

as for the other posters I don't think we hold enough weight to make them feel uncomfortable to be honest.

19 Jan 2021 22:01:22
Your post Berm,
”I said we can’t beat teams who sit back and defend deep. We can’t if you disagree with that your an idiot who don’t know the first thing about football”

You’ve got selective memory son, never mind. I’m bored of having this futile dispute. I’d rather dish it out to Villa Dave who is a proper wind up merchant and supports a team I love to hate.

19 Jan 2021 23:04:02
I only popped out for a bit, look what I missed 😂😂😂,

A few conciliatory lemonades in Peacock for the 2 protagonists above if we ever get back to that again?

20 Jan 2021 03:12:35
Dave don’t encourage him.

20 Jan 2021 17:51:00
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OP.
For a playwrite you’re not very eloquent Berm! “Mug”. haven’t heard that for a while! Lol! Anyhoooooo, ALAW?

20 Jan 2021 19:00:19
im a cockney Bright so no not always very eloquent. you should see the new film we are doing called time. the language is not very flowery to say the least

you can take the boy out of Millwall. etc.

19 Jan 2021 16:28:44
Though very tough to say, think Pablo may be past it, he will however always be remembered for his great contribution.

Deadwood to move on alongside Pablo would be Casilla, Beradi, Foreshaw with very big questions about Alioski and Roberts, there are also a few of the younger players who will not make the grade.

As this has always been called a transition season we need to strengthen the squad and increase the numbers in the squad.

How many players do we have who will have played 19 or more games by the end of this season. that's not players who have made 5 minute cameos at the end of a game but who have started or played at least 30 mins in a game.
Players who have contributed in 50% of our games
Having a guess it won't be many more than 18 or so. That for me is the bare bones of a squad and we could do with another 6 or seven players able to play at this level in order for us to finish in 6th to 10th position.

19 Jan 2021 17:42:48
I read an article the other day that said something like the following about foreshaw 'I can only assume he is a ghost that haunts Elland Road so little have we seen of him' - made me chuckle.

19 Jan 2021 18:09:25
I am slightly of the opinion of Pablo and said so on here, however was just having a chat with a leeds fan who I am working on a film about leeds with and he pointed out when Pablo come on the other day the first five of his passes all found a leeds guy, something that can't be said for many of the others at the moment

Ideal world Pablo would move on but I think he still might have something to offer when looking to unpick that lock which no other leeds player can do quite like Pablo at the moment

one to add to the deadwood list would be Cooper, love what he has done but not prem when push comes to shove.

19 Jan 2021 18:45:02
Totally agree about Coops, yes he has the odd decent game but generally he gets caught out of position regularly. This may not directly result in conceding or even getting noticed by many fans but it does result in others getting caught out by trying to cover his poor positioning. Bit like Dallas at the weekend, he goes walk about then that leaves Ayling not really knowing where he needs to cover. Also with Dallas at RB I feel it hinders Harrison or Raphinha as they are concerned about defending over attacking. Dallas for me does better on the left than the right. Hopefully llorente will be in the centre and Ayling back to RB for the next game.

19 Jan 2021 18:58:33
Obviously I am a huge admirer of Pablo's 💜 huge, vital contribution for Leeds over these past years in goals, assists, influence, determination, desire and leadership.

Even at 35 he is still our best option on the bench and still one of our best creative players in what is most likely his swansong season for Leeds United.

An absolute Leeds United legend, the very best, most influential player for nearly 2 decades possibly longer at Leeds.

19 Jan 2021 19:09:31
Yeah good shout if saying most influential player at Leeds to get better than Pablo you might have to go back to Strachan and chapman that goal (against Swansea I think) was the final spark towards promotion.

19 Jan 2021 20:22:02
Indeed Berm, King Pablo's vital iconic goal against Swansea was indeed the tipping point to securing promotion.

As was Super Gordon Strachan's left foot screamer into the corner of tne net against Leicester in the penultimate game or so of the Champion promotion season of 89/ 90

Both Supreme LUFC Legends 🏆 🏆.

19 Jan 2021 21:05:08
of course both nothing compared to John lukic but then we all know that. sir John has a place on the leeds throne all to himself!

19 Jan 2021 23:05:53
I think Pablo still had a part to play although I also agree he is past his best due to age. The question is whether to play him in the first half to get a lead or in the second where he is more effective against tired legs. I am currently leaning toward first half as sometimes when he comes on its too late.

20 Jan 2021 00:08:00
Pablo has been superb for us. I will never forget his goal at Swansea and the pride on his face when he led us out at Derby. Father Time is catching up with him, but I still think he can make a valuable contribution this season from the bench.

19 Jan 2021 12:12:52
Insightful article - Bielsa out of ideas

19 Jan 2021 12:44:13
Yawn,

19 Jan 2021 15:49:48
Bermo, what was insightful about the article?

The journalist attached to that piece is lazy. He brings nothing new to the debate, which in itself is not even a new debate.

He mentions one source for an assumption he has written, yet offers no irrefutable data to corroborate his text, which is something the original source failed to do either.

He takes quotes out of context. He offers no insightful ponders that have not been made by clever folk than him

All in all 5 minutes of my life I won't get back

Leeds has lost a few games, wow, welcome to Premier League football. Did we think it was going to be a walk in the park?

And just for the record, you do realise Jordan "England captain" Henderson and Harry "England captain" Kane have been EFL players at stages of their career so those using the argument that we are picking Championship standard players from last season should may be read up on sports player development. They don't just come out of the box, shiny and PL standard straight away!

19 Jan 2021 17:13:27
Didn’t think it was possible for you to eclipse you prior levels of boring repetition, but well done Berm, you’ve actually done it.

19 Jan 2021 17:45:59
Axe, agree with the majority of your post, however, just because some players who played in the Championship go on to become great Premiership players does not mean that all of them are capable. The majority never make it and certainly not to the highest level.

19 Jan 2021 18:14:37
point is someone is printing it, someone thinks it someone is reading it

if silly old Bermo and soppy lazy journalist can see what do the prem managers make of it? are they working out how to beat us.?

makes you think doesn't it

we ain't just lost a few games we are still failing with the same problems of three years ago. losing ain't the problem the way of losing is.

20 Jan 2021 09:09:12
sorry to be boring so please avoid but here is another article summing up the feelings of some pundits. for me this is a bit strong but sums up a lot of what I have said.


the stories are out there agree with them or not they must be being said for some reason?

20 Jan 2021 17:55:39
Let’s take a look at our defence so far this season, eh Berm?
A stable defensive line up is critical to a successful season, no?
How many times have we been able to play our preferred line up in th back 4, or 3 (when we’ve played that way) . For me, this alone is the reason for our inconsistency. We have been plagued, season after season, bu injuries to key defensive players, and this season, two of our key signings have been out.
I’m sure that once we get Koch and Llorente back to full fitness, we will secure our position in the PL.

19 Jan 2021 09:24:13
Seeing a few reports this morning that Pulgar might happen, however differing massively. 1 stating a no obligation loan 1 stating 22.5million permanent deal yet the other day it was claimed fiorantina wanted £11m! Be nice to get him in and a left back, that might have to do us until the summer. Just hope we can keep 2 cb’s fit.

19 Jan 2021 12:45:40
I don’t imagine many want to agree any loans with us as we don’t seem to stick to the agreement.

19 Jan 2021 07:39:34
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 19th January 2021