Leeds Banter Archive January 01 2017

 

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01 Jan 2017 22:21:28
i have to stick up for wex he is top bloke, I mean he is no speedy or dj but he is alright.

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01 Jan 2017
New image uploaded to the
Leeds Player Sightings page entitled, Happy New Year

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01 Jan 2017 17:14:55
And I even mean it for you George and wex.

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01 Jan 2017 17:50:35
Curahee why would you not include me in your new year gesture.

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01 Jan 2017 16:53:36
Ed, is there a way to up load a picture on the banter sight? thanks.

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{Ed033's Note - if the image is on the www, then put the url link to the picture in the post. If not upload the image on the Sightings page.

01 Jan 2017 17:09:16
OK thanks mate.

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01 Jan 2017 17:54:42
I didn't, all are included.

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01 Jan 2017 18:04:28
But you singled me out with George.

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01 Jan 2017 18:15:51
Sorry wex, didn't mean to offend. there just seemed to be a few digs in previous posts with George. I apologise whole heartedly and really do wish you and your family a very happy new year. Sorry mate.

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01 Jan 2017 18:30:11
I have never replied to any of your posts and would like you to clarify your reference to a few digs with George I think I joked about winterburn playing for juve but if you class that as a dig maybe it's the wrong site for you anyway apologies accepted. I hope you see my point to me you have pre judged me without us ever having spoken.

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01 Jan 2017 18:57:02
I do wex. it is a whole hearted apology! think I just had my tail up a bit and was a bit on the rampage. I was fully in the wrong and I accept that. I truely am sorry.

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01 Jan 2017 19:08:49
Happy days it's just it's harsh when your classed as being in George's gang 😊.

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01 Jan 2017 16:19:55
Well on that note George we wouldn't have been able I turn down his transfer request if he wasn't a full employee!

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01 Jan 2017 16:08:13
Just got email to my private email address from all the eds. I topped the 2016 poll for most interesting poster. And for. Smartest poster. And also for Most idolised. I'm sorta overwhelmed. I'd like to thank. When's award night?

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{Ed001's Note - I can 100% guarantee that wasn't from all the eds. Maybe Ed033 was extremely drunk and got you mixed up with someone else and sent it?}

01 Jan 2017 16:28:23
Aus I suppose you have given your bank account details for the prize☺.

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01 Jan 2017 16:28:31
Aus you sure it wasn't George trying to hack your computer to steal all your secrets?

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01 Jan 2017 16:56:01
It had. Real. On it. 100% original and authentic. c'mon lads and liver George Credit where I'm due it. No hard feelings. I think all contestants fought hard but I won.

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{Ed033's Note - i thought you got the 'wooden spoon' email, Ausman

01 Jan 2017 11:44:58
01 Jan and the speculation can be put to bed as The Board bring onboard their chosen ones and (sadly) release the ones who were good (but not good enough) . The only one who does not fit the latter yet sadly may still depart is young Charlie Taylor. For my two pennuth I would like him to stay and play Premier football with us next year but I can see the lure of glamour and riches dangled by the big boys turning the head of a young lad (and his lip licking agent) . After all, nothing is guaranteed, it's a short life and maybe you should grab opportunities when they come along. My only wish, for the lad's sake, is that if he goes he gets game time, and is not warming a bench somewhere or even thrown into a sieve of a defence, in a floundering team, whose only direction is down. If he does go, it is not catastrophic as I believe we have adequate cover and, in January, the ability to bring in (if decided) a quality defender with some of the incoming fee. MOT Happy New year to all the contributors (and editors) but let's see a whole host of new names added to the posters board next January.

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01 Jan 2017 11:54:25
I agree. Could a compromise not be offer him an extra year (yes we would all love longer) , but if we go up this season he gets prem football, if this time next year we're in automatic then he'd be happy to stay, or re-evaluate his situation if we're in the playoffs. After what's happened to cook and byram (especially cook) I honestly don't see his thinking, apart from the cash.

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01 Jan 2017 15:36:25
Cur As I repeatedly advise posters here it's not really CT's choice. Once a professional player hits a certain level of play, his agent gets to control him and determine where he plays next. It's contractual. Should CT refuse what his agent wants he risks much. That said, CT less risk of becoming a Cook or Byram. He'd make LB spot his own at most PL clubs. I'm surprised Liverpool aren't in for him. Don't see Cellino selling him though. Value to Leeds over next 4 months plus say 3m at a summer tribunal means only a bid of 8m+ would tempt the Italian imo.

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{Ed001's Note - that's not true George, the agent is employed by the player. Actually it is now known as intermediary, for some unknown reason. The player makes the decisions, the intermediary does not have a contractual power to make the decisions, only advise his client.}

01 Jan 2017 15:47:02
Thanks ed, that's how I understood it to be. they work on behalf of the player to negotiate the best possible deal for the players, then take a cut. is that about it in layman terms?

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{Ed001's Note - that is what they are supposed to do, but they usually work purely on getting the most money, rather than the best deal for the player.}

01 Jan 2017 15:59:28
He's gone. Get over it.

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01 Jan 2017 16:00:12
Disagree Ed001. Agents are money hungry. They promise the good players big things outside of the contract with no exclusion on stuff said verbally. Means should they attempt to disobey and cost the agent hundreds of thousands there'll be consequences. Think about it. Name me upcoming players who came out and said they're not moving they love the club and staying. They're not all driven by money but they always move. It's because they're not fully in control. Furthermore these players aren't truly employees at clubs. What employee can march into his boss office and demand greater pay or else and still carry on working there no problem? Once these players hit a coveted level around the good to better championship player normal rules don't apply. And people wonder why game so corrupt. I stand by what I said. CT not fully in control, his agent has more say than you think.

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{Ed001's Note - Gerrard. Ronaldo could have left Madrid a number of times for more money. Messi could have left Barca for more. There are others but it is very rare that intermediaries dictate to players in reality. It is simply that most players are just as greedy as the intermediary. There are a few decent ones out there though, players and intermediaries.

Taylor has all the control he desires, but players much prefer to heap all the blame on the intermediary to make them look less greedy.}

01 Jan 2017 16:02:05
That's true ed.

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01 Jan 2017 16:16:14
Gerrard? Don't make me laugh. One extension he was negotiating he walked out after Liverpool said you can have whatever you like. These players do play both sides and are no angels but if you ask the older managers agents ruin the game. They have too much power. Interesting though the players you mentioned are all world class mega stars. That's what it takes now to put an agent in his place. Lesser stars not so able.

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{Ed001's Note - no lesser stars just feel they can't afford to turn down the money. Oh and Gerrard never walked out after Liverpool said that, so do not lie to me. That is utter bull. Liverpool have never ever said that to any player in their entire history. Sometimes you are so up your own arse you fail to notice you don't actually know anything about the subject you are pontificating about. I spend every day of my life dealing with these people, you merely read crap in the papers about them. There are very few with real power over their players, it is purely that the players choose to leave it up to the agents. The usual instruction is to 'do what you think is best' from the player. The intemediary is employed by the player, not the other way around.

Most intermediaries are not making much money at all, as they are too busy running round looking after players that make them nothing. There are only a few Mino Raoilas and Jorge Mendes' in the game who actually have any power.}

01 Jan 2017 16:29:48
Well on that note George we wouldn't have been able I turn down his transfer request if he wasn't a full employee!

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01 Jan 2017 16:31:30
i think CT is gone but think ed is right and George is wrong (again) like in my industry agents advise and get best deal and are money men but it is always the players choice, same with me my agent gets me the best deal but can not make me do a job I don't want or not do a job that I want (that role is left to my wife) I am suprised at george being wrong as he is so smart maybe he is just seeking conflict. Any agent panders to the player or they lose the player and therefor lose their potential to earn, I know this is how the acting industry works and can not see how football would be different, but then if george says it.

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01 Jan 2017 16:43:16
Ed001 Just read article in Daily Fail corroborating my recollection of the saga which nearly took Gerrard to the Bridge. Don't believe I can link it due to site rules but it states Liverpool said name your wage and he halted negotiations because he didn't think they were being serious when in actuality they were. Also, may I suggest you refrain from directing insults at me.

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{Ed001's Note - I do not care what lies are in rags and you are proving my point as you only know what you read in them. The reason for him nearly leaving was nothing to do with money or what was being offered to him at all.}

01 Jan 2017 16:48:13
I remember it being something to do with fans camping outside either his house or hotel chanting his name Andy begging him not to go.

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01 Jan 2017 16:51:54
Think I am with George a bit on this one. Way contracts are written up pretty sure agent would have some power over proceedings. I know player has to sign contract but not always the choice they want. Am pretty sure if player kept turning down transfers that would put hundreds of thousands into agents pocket there would be a comeuppance. Not saying they have full control but they make a living by selling players poor buggers woud be on streets if no one moved. Doubt if Bournemouth was Cooks choice.

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{Ed001's Note - why would Bournemouth not be Cook's choice? A club bankrolled by a Russian billionaire paying upper level Prem wages must have been beyond his wildest dreams! Intermediaries do not have any power to force a player to make a move.}

01 Jan 2017 16:52:39
on a seperate note I am gutted my estate agent is making me move house, I'm so upset as I did not want to move and shocked as my house was not up for sale, still that is the power agents have.

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01 Jan 2017 17:01:05
Bermondsey I hear Bournemouth is beautiful this time of year, I wouldn't worry!

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01 Jan 2017 17:13:20
Ed001 Lol. Nothing to do with money, huh? Just coincidence then that the 100k per week contract offer came at the exact same time the real unknown reasons came about making him decide to stay? Besides, there are other sources which indicate Gerrard wanted money which "matched his abilities" and 60k each week wasn't enough.

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{Ed001's Note - and he knew Liverpool would pay that but Chelsea offered a significant amount more. It was not about money. There were personal issues that were involved at the time. Perhaps you should stop reading rags George. There have been a lot of things behind the scenes with Gerrard and his missus which affected things at times.}

01 Jan 2017 17:17:29
Berm Are your utility bills 20 grand a week? Let's compare like with like. Not all agents are the same.

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{Ed001's Note - you do realise that if an intermediary did shaft a player, ie provide a comeuppance like you are suggesting they could do if the player doesn't do as told, they would never get any players to sign for their agency in the future don't you? You really are ignorant about what goes on, showbiz and football are much more closely aligned than you would think.}

01 Jan 2017 17:26:36
You're the one who mistaken Ed001. Are you arguing for or against me? I can't tell. If, which I acknowledge, showbiz and football are closely aligned, you think there's no rigging? No "custom" of way things get done for sake of money? No secrets? Don't get mad because I told you the truth.

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{Ed001's Note - oh shut up George, you are talking utter crap. Do us all a favour and give it a rest and stop being so damn ignorant. If you were half as bright as you thought you were, you would know that you are making yourself look stupid arguing about things you do not know a single solitary thing about. I am done with this, there is no point trying to educate pork....}

01 Jan 2017 17:27:37
George if stay out of this one. you appear to know as much about the goings on as I do. so keep quiet and listen to the people in the know! take Ausmans advice and stop piΒ£@ing people off and embarrassing yourself.

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01 Jan 2017 18:34:35
3So if agents have no say and everything is decided by player why do we have so many stories of agents getting bungs, why not just bribe the player.

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{Ed001's Note - you do realise that is not connected to this at all right? They don't get a bung for forcing a player to move. For starters the intermediaries also do things such as speaking to clubs on behalf of another club. The accusations of bungs are more about them getting extra off the top of a deal behind the scenes, nothing to do with forcing the player to move, just them being a little more easy to deal with. As I said, mostly players will just leave the contract negotiations up to the agent to do, once they have decided which club they want to move to, if they have offers on the table. Backhanders are done to smooth those negotiations. Rather than them trying to get the best possible deal for their player, which is what they should be doing, they are given a payment to agree a worse deal, then tell the player that was the best they could negotiate for them. The player can still say no thanks, the agent can only recommend the player takes it, or recommend he doesn't.

Why would they bribe the player when the whole idea is to pay the player less? The players are the ones getting the most from these deals remember. They get 80-90% of the total deal, agents get 10-20%, depending on the agent. A 50k or so bung to an intermediary could save millions.}

01 Jan 2017 11:44:43
Malik on a new 2 year contract is a good start, now get pontus pablo and barts signed up.

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01 Jan 2017 12:00:37
Don't know much about him. is he any good?

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01 Jan 2017 14:19:07
Very talented lad and pacy striker. Only 17 but can see him around first team this year. One for future really but who knows, some young ones thrive on the pressure and if he gets in bags a couple he will progress quickly.

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01 Jan 2017 15:10:24
I know that he's been on th bench, so monk must. Rate him.

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01 Jan 2017 11:41:53
Happy new year to all on this site. All the best for the coming year. Keep up the good work.

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{Ed001's Note - Happy New Year to you too BIGE.}

01 Jan 2017 15:38:42
Happy New Year BIGE. Your input is greatly appreciated by all on here (including moi) I am sure. You seem to be the most informed with the yoof and reserve team. Cheers dude πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ‘πŸ»
MM.

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01 Jan 2017 10:31:02
George, Berm and Cur, let's start 2016b again as friends or I will get oneleeds to referee and god knows where we'll end up. Peace and happiness to Leeds fans everywhere ALAW.

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01 Jan 2017 11:36:07
Ok with me degs. TBH I've said the same a couple of times!

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01 Jan 2017 15:25:15
Degs An apology can't hurt their chances.

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01 Jan 2017 15:48:28
Hurt our chances of what George?

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01 Jan 2017 16:02:46
Ffs George settle mate U getting into survivor intensity. There becomes a time when relentless but interesting and knowledgeable becomes fing boring and needless. Shut the **** up in other words. Ok. Survivor was. Is. Or never will be interesting or knowledgeable but get my drift.

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01 Jan 2017 16:06:28
Refer you to degsy post.

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01 Jan 2017 16:32:46
apology for being right and not pandering to a pompous Glutimus maximums I assume he means. he does make me giggle.

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01 Jan 2017 16:40:56
Maybe 2017 will be a good year for him! he might finally get his head out of the clouds. or more likely his unmentionable, meet a lady and move out of his parents basement!

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01 Jan 2017 10:21:45
Happy new year to all the Ed's, posters and readers. Oh and ed033, I really hope you just pressed a key on your keyboard to get all that info. πŸ˜‰ Many thanks for doing it anyway.

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{Ed033's Note - Luckily i didn't have to manually count each post / reply.

01 Jan 2017 07:12:36
3.15. We bought anybody yet?

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01 Jan 2017 10:26:40
kind of looks like it, pontus's mrs (not speedy lucas or wex sadly) tweeted we ain't going anywhere in last 30 minutes so he looks cert to sign. either that or it was a warning to the few on here that keep sending love letters and tinder requests.

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01 Jan 2017 11:40:14
As I understand it she posted that last night as partnof a twitte convo that put Leeds fans in panic mode. Apparently Pontus tweeted something like 'happy new year and thanks for the memories in 2016'. lots of people thought it was a goodbye, so she sent that. Not on twitter, but that's what I read on another site. Good that she wants him to stay, not anchoring for a move back to Italy like the ants mrs last year.

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01 Jan 2017 16:05:03
Curahee have you thought about renaming yourself. Curahee integrity. U r so knowledgeable
Gotta be contender for funny post of 2017 on Jan 1!

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01 Jan 2017 16:26:08
Aus there's only enough room for one integrity on here! besides I'm actually arsene wenger in disguise, didn't you know!?

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01 Jan 2017 01:56:16
to george on earlier post about Cur and Berm just to show how wrong you are regarding Clough on the basis you've selected, the best most decorative manager to manage our club would be Jock Stein every time firstly how are we wrong?

jock stein won lots in scotland (easy league) not much in england, also he won 1 european cup not two like clough. also what does that expose about me other than I can work out one european cup is less than two and that my history of leeds might be a little shakey (that was you point no? )

I was born in 83 and started supporting leeds in 89. my knowledge of leeds is not as long as yours as you have a good 20 years on me right? although a few of your posts would suggest a younger age.

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01 Jan 2017 02:12:14
Scotland was a better league back then one reason. Second, most decorative which was the criteria doesn't allow scope for penalizing Scotland which would be wrong anyway. Most decorative is a numbers thing. So again Berm you are wrong.

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01 Jan 2017 09:50:18
cant say I am wrong plain out (unless arrogent and stupid) scotland may of had better players then but never has and never will be as strong as england as their will only ever be three good teams at most up there. Also european cups mate 2-1 in favour of clough the big one in europe the best of the best goes to old big head. so to take a leaf out of your book, your just wrong or can not count to two. so Georgie boy what is it?

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01 Jan 2017 13:37:30
please all note no reply here from George which is standard along with a 'i don't do this' comment from George on a different thread to follow.

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01 Jan 2017 14:47:49
Berm 1. If Scotland so inferior how did Stein win the European Cup? 2. Who was the first British manager to win the European Cup? 3. Celtic almost won it twice. In 1970, after they defeated Leeds, took Feyenoord extra time to win in the final. 4. Most decorative means sheer numbers so you don't get arrogantly to exclude Scotland. What entitles you to exclude Scotland? Are you some important political leader? Xenophobic? Hateful on Scotland? As my stats show, I frequently almost always reply.

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01 Jan 2017 15:24:01
Ok George, so what you've done there is loose you're own original argument that the don wasn't our greatest manager! Congrats on that! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘.

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01 Jan 2017 16:09:12
How Cur? Don managed us 14 years I believe. Stein 40 odd days. Thank you for proving my points about you all along. Why are you now conveniently changing the criteria you selected? Most decorative, right? Not the best, right? Don is best.

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01 Jan 2017 16:23:38
No George the Original discussion was based on the greatest manager who has managed our club, not for what they achieved when managing us! my god man what's wrong with you!

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01 Jan 2017 16:37:13
scotland can have one good club who can win euro league but the league as a whole will always be weaker, what gives me the right to say this. because it is true even william wallace himself would not be bold enough to say scottish leagues have ever or will ever be as hard as ours even if one stand out club might be better at some point. so by default winning in scotland is easier and therefore must be considered less of an achievement. Also let's do some maths. celtic almost won it twice. clough did win it twice so what is better? george can you let me know what is the greater number two or one? you seem to be backing one at the moment for some reason.

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01 Jan 2017 17:05:19
Don't bring numbers into this Bermondsey. we all know that 1 for stein and 0 for the don equals 10 when you put the numbers together, and 10 certainly is larger than 2, isn't that right George?

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01 Jan 2017 01:44:17
happy new year all leeds and none leeds may 2017 bring you health and happiness.

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01 Jan 2017 09:47:06
You too mate.

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01 Jan 2017 00:33:10
I just want to say as a committed lurker, don't read too much into that, thank you to all the eds and regulars for making this site a joy to browse each day. Happy new year and let's hope the good times continue in 2017.

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31 Dec 2016 23:59:53
2016 Top number of replies
GeorgeIntegrityWhitebread - 1442
Bermondsey White - 1155
wexleeds - 725
SpeedygRIP - 721
Ausman - 522
Mad Mick - 400
CORKWHITE - 337
Leeds in Deda land - 288
Lucas is God - 260

2016 Top number of new posts
wexleeds - 241
GeorgeIntegrityWhitebread - 151
peterboro white - 134
Hesslian - 123
oneleeds - 118
Mad Mick - 115
leodis - 98
DJ Thames Valley White - 97
Ausman - 90
danumwhite - 82
Lucas is God - 79
SpeedygRIP - 74
Bermondsey White - 68

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01 Jan 2017 00:05:39
Thanks Ed033. Lays to rest Cork's fictitious allegation that I rarely respond when in a debate. HNY Ed033!

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{Ed033's Note - Happy New Year Leeds supporters.

01 Jan 2017 00:47:30
George and myself top the polls just like trump and farage.

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{Ed033's Note - Make Leeds United Great again

01 Jan 2017 00:52:07
Bermondsey in between myself and George there's a thought eh speedy.

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01 Jan 2017 01:37:57
Wex Which one of us is the Don?

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01 Jan 2017 01:45:23
yes a very good thought that will keep me warm on many a cold night.

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01 Jan 2017 02:13:56
Slut!

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01 Jan 2017 09:51:03
you sound supirised speedy you of all people should of known that.

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01 Jan 2017 12:59:18
Well yes that's true I guess. Happy New Year one and all πŸ˜ƒπŸ˜ƒ.

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01 jan 2017 14:48:48
i think the user name HOOKS will top both polls in 2017! hey, that's me! mot. hny everyone.

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