Leeds Banter Archive November 01 2015

 

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01 Nov 2015 21:42:53
Anyone else think if we win our next few games all this will go away! Until we own our own home as Cellino said the only asset is the fans. No one will lend to anyone if there is no security. Lots of talking and bravado over the years, simple fact is Cellino was and is to date the only one who can cash the cheque his mouth writes.

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02 Nov 2015 05:59:10
Not sure winning 2 games is within manager or teams ability after Blackburn performance!
Happy to be surprised though!

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02 Nov 2015 07:56:11
Certainly not against Cardif. One of our bogey teams. Another defeat coming I'm afraid.

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02 Nov 2015 09:59:26
Like me forever the optimist Vid ;) )

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01 Nov 2015 21:31:25
To be honest I'm just tired of all the speculation of who's got what, who's buying us, and have they got the money we are a big club with big potential there must be someone out there who actually thinks yes Leeds Utd are worth pumping loads of money into and making a great profit in a few years when they get us back to top flight but until I see the money in the bank I m not nothing with any of these pointless rumours as Tom cruise once said " SHOW ME THE MONEY! "

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01 Nov 2015 20:28:20
Does anyone on here actually know who owns our great and once proud club at the moment.

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01 Nov 2015 21:17:50
Cellino family 75% Cellino 2% personnel and gfh 23%.

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01 Nov 2015 19:41:06
I believe one of the main reasons Cellino has behaved nutty and is a root cause of our decline is the presence of GFH and Cellino's failure to buy them out. I believe boardroom decisions have suffered. GFH are a cancer imo and the club requires a dose of chemo. If you don't kill the C it kills you. We are witnessing Cellino's demise before our eyes because they are so bad for the club. Imo if the Fans buy out Cellino they will see this first hand. Time to get rid of GFH.

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01 Nov 2015 20:39:35
could not agree more. Cellino owned a club on his own and did amazingly well and lead that club into its golden age. he owns a club with GFh still having their cancerous hand involved and the club fails to improve. I don't see why the fans don't buy out GFH and see what mc can do without his hands tied. it would be cheaper and far better for us in the long run.

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01 Nov 2015 20:41:30
Totally agree cellino has stated before that Gfh won, t sell and are not willing to put any more money into leeds that is why cellino won, t buy the ground etc as it will just improve the value of Gfh, s stake, so will a new buyer have any more joy I doubt it and they might not have have the same amount of money in reality we could be worse off, stick with massimo he wants the best for the club he just needs someone sensible to keep him in check, better the devil you know.

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01 Nov 2015 20:43:54
Don't think we will get rid of GFH George. They have leant the club a lot of money and they sold to Cellino on their terms. No doubt they will charge interest on the loan every year and just keep this going for as long as they can.

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01 Nov 2015 21:00:20
The only way GFH would sell was if they felt their "investment" was going to be worth less soon so takes the best price available. I guess we can't force them to sell so going to have to bit the bullet and pay over the odds for their 25% but would you want to do that?

I think a clever, un emotional investor might look at the long term, think OK this season is now looking shit and everything against Leeds, let's play up to these stories and then offer to buy them out when you think they will sell. All GFH r interested in is money so if investment likely to go down then they would sell if they got their best price, banks are not personal like Pap Smurf would be.

The whole GFH thing does make our club less attractive and can't see them selling unless someone pays well over the odds at the moment.

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02 Nov 2015 05:54:09
Guys

All good posts. Somehow GFH hand must be forced. Our club is nowhere near good enough for a silent and inactive let alone worthless shareholder. Time to turn on GFH.

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02 Nov 2015 08:24:38
Been saying this for ages but everyone just focused on cellino. Hard to do anything with a leech on your ass. Shame its got to this stage to make people realise gfh are a big problem.

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01 Nov 2015 17:12:16
On the bright side I got us promoted on Fifa. 👍😂.

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01 Nov 2015 19:33:39
Are we back in the Championship again?

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01 Nov 2015 20:31:36
No just about back in the football league, until they throw us out.

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01 Nov 2015 15:01:01
also keep seeing people on here banging on about satblity of management. three teams go up each year. last year watford the most unstable team in the league was one of them . so much for stablity. we are where we are because the players are under performing, watford had 50 managers last year butt he players did not dissapoint.

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01 Nov 2015 16:29:53
There's more people on here banging on about the people banging on about stability of management than there is people actually banging on about it. I mentioned stability in a decent thread last week and stand by this. I do believe that a decent structure behind a club with the right staff in key positions is the way forward and not simply throwing money at players and yo-yoing. It's why the likes of Southampton are doing well and are now a well established team. Wouldn't we prefer to emulate the likes of Southampton or QPhaha? I know what I'd prefer. It's all about opinions BW and that's mine. No-ones banging on, we're just having our say for what it's worth!

MM.

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01 Nov 2015 16:46:48
*Southampton THAN QPhaha I meant lol!

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01 Nov 2015 17:57:38
i agree and would love the club to be more stable and your comments I agree with but some other fans have made some rather stupid comments such as the clown MC is far worse than GFH and so on. We need to support the club and some people have been talking about beeing depressed and this being the worse time in our history etc. things have been worse, they are not great but some people need some perspective.

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01 Nov 2015 14:57:27
hi all,

again been away with work (had a dinner meeting on Thursday so didn't have to endure the game luckily) . I hate to see all the negivitiy on here at the moment. I can understand where it is coming from but things could be worse. Better to once be famous than never famous at all.

have to say I can't see the fans running the club can't see us having the money or ability to make it work. I hate to see MC getting so much flack. One person even said 99% of fans think he is worse than GHF. No way. MC is mad, fiery and don't always make the right choice but he is a proper football man, he does want what is best for leeds and his track record is great. like him or not he is our best chairman since les silver and he is trying to fix what bates and GHF broke. This said I think he is far from perfect.

People saying this is worse we have ever been. again no the worse leeds ever were was under Gary mac, first team out of the F. A cup to none league hereford (due to early kick off) and knocked out of the playoffs for league one by millwall. That was officialy our lowest finish and worst ever season. we have also been relegated from this championship and this year we ain't down yet so chins up and let's not be over dramatic just yet.

i do think we need to change with times, we ain't big or good team anymore ox was saying we are teams cup finals. we are not as an outsider from leeds, leeds is not a big club to anyone outside of yorkshire any more and we are not anyone's cup final in the legaue honest. don't think fulham are going right lads big one this week its leeds.

times have changed money is so important now days and we are/have been in such a state things may never return to glory days and we might not see prem league football again in my lifetime (I am only 32 but we die young in my family so who knows) and if that is the case so be it. I will still love my club even if we do become a below par team in champ for ever or become league one fodder. football is not about winning and glory it is about passion and love and pride (blind passion love and pride as well) one things leeds will always have is great fans so it could be worse MOT

finally I have been told by reliable sources that our new gaffer is not considered a nice bloke by many and it a bit of a (ed put own word in here) which I think it just what this squad need as they are letting everyone down. I think SE will turn this sinking ship down.

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01 Nov 2015 17:37:57
Turn this sinking ship down?

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01 Nov 2015 19:06:37
sorry was talking while typing and a being bit thick, meant to say turn sinking ship around and/or we won't go down.

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01 Nov 2015 20:42:57
Histon not Hereford.

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01 Nov 2015 21:55:43
thats it but we also drew 0-0 with hereford. two teams I have no idea where they are from or that they exsited yet they mugged us that year. this year is golden by comparision.

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01 Nov 2015 14:08:51
Can't see the fans having the wherewithal to fund a purchase and run the club. We need an owner with very deep pockets. Let's face it, for most teams in this league we are their 2 cup finals, the hate and the history is so strong for them and they up their game. Therefore, we need a team significantly better than the rest and a Manager or coach of the same quality. This is never going to happen on the cheap, we need owners with big bucks to attract premiership quality players and coaches. If massimo is going to sell it needs to be to a big player/business if not he needs to get his cheque book out big style, otherwise I really fear for our future.
MOT.

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01 Nov 2015 12:36:24
I have just been watching Goals on Sunday on ssn and have just seen Woods score a goal with his head whilst playing for Leicester against Yeovil. So he can score with his head just needs to try harder.

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01 Nov 2015 13:30:51
Are you sure he meant it - or did it accidentally hit him on the head and go in😂.

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01 Nov 2015 12:08:53
For what it's worth my thoughts are that this Leeds Fans United takeover is smokescreen for something else going on in the background.

Firstly LFU aspirations as confirmed on their website was to raise £10m to buy a share and voice in the club - Ambitious but not out of possibility now it's the controlling share!

Having a voice on how the club is run is a completely different thing to owning and running the club. No disrespect to fan owned/run clubs but this is a sleeping giant and the demands and expectations I would assume are on a completely different scale

If LFU had not raised enough capital to buy a small investment in the club on Thursday where all of a sudden have they now raised the ambition to buy the majority shareholding - it does not make any sense or does it?

Based on what we are led to believe are the shareholders of the club and what allegedly they all paid the club value should be in the region of £40m at the minimum + repurchasing of ER/TA and working capital I would say you are looking at £70-80m (not an unreasonable figure it may actually be more)

So either (1) LFU have a significant backer, but if so then surely they will want input as its thier money (kind of goes against what the idea of a fans ownership) (2) LFU don't have the funds and as such will struggle to run the club, repurchase ER/TA, back the manager (sorry Coach! ) (3) An elaborate smokescreen by MC in that he is using this as a lure to other interested parties to come forward even those not popular with the fans (ie - Leeds RedBulls playing in the RedBull arena) then say he wanted to sell the club to the fans but they did not have the funds.

Remember he has agreed in "Principle" only to sell to LFU - a businessman with principles?

Can't see it happening but great sentiment behind what LFU are doing, at least they are raising the issue and putting it potentially on the agenda.

Only my thoughts - never a dull moment following LUFC.

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01 Nov 2015 13:23:40
Cellino knows this is not going to happen. A group that was set up a year ago to raise £10 million has so far raised 500,000. There is no way they will be able to purchase 75% of the club. This is to stop the chants and planned demo against him. As time goes on and no serious bidder comes forward, he'll be able to say he was willing to sell, no-one came in so we're stuck with him.

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01 Nov 2015 13:24:47
I agree - I think other bidders will emerge. Let's pray whoever the eventual new owner will be they are FL "fit and proper" AND do actually have the amount of resources needed (unlike MC and virtually other previous opportunists) .

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01 Nov 2015 14:59:25
stuck with him. can anyone tell me a better chairman we have had since les silver? we have had some awful chairman and MC is the best of a bad bunch by along shot.

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01 Nov 2015 17:07:04
Cellino maybe someone who is fun in the pub but is not fit to run a football club the man is non compus menti the appointment of the hock (which someone on hear never stopped going on about). His sacking of Thompson, treatment of Redders,Lucy Ward,court cases,banning orders etc. As the crowd said on Thursday "we're Leeds United we've all had enough". The text er said 99% of Leeds fans want rid of Cellino, not that they thought he was worse than GFH.

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01 Nov 2015 11:45:33
I actually think MC will stay and will loan and purchase players in a effort to sort the mess out. Remember even if he sells it will take time and the fee will reduce if relegated.

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01 Nov 2015 11:21:01
If the fans group took over and say they have 30,000 members, would they all need to pass the Football Leagues Directors Fit and Proper Persons Test. We should do it just cause hassle for the FL and really extract the urine!
At least we would have fun while everything else turns into the brown sticky stuff!

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01 Nov 2015 09:05:03
Sorry guys, but until we have stability in the owner the team will always be crap no matter how good the players are "on paper".

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