Leeds Banter Archive September 20 2014

20 Sep 2014 22:26:14
{Ed013's Note - After an outstanding performance and win, who was your man of the match against Huddersfield? please visit the polls page and vote}

20 Sep 2014 22:19:57
Well done to the mighty whites today. We look like we are gelling quickly I can see a very white future ahead

mot

21 Sep 2014 07:36:31
doing us proud waited long time bad side morison came on is he looking for fame we play well so he want to join in on your bike

Ye couldn't agree more pal I will personally drive morrsion to any team that would be stupid enough to have him kol

20 Sep 2014 22:06:36
Where is the guy who kept posting 'pay peanuts get monkeys'? Where is he? We have paid peanuts and got quality young players. Thank goodness for the don and his talent spotting ability. Doukara? Class. Bellusci? Quality. Antenuci? I'd have his babies. Bianchi? Are you having a laugh, he has it more than Kylie. Bye bye Mrs L I am leaving you to set up home with the don.

20 Sep 2014 23:32:32
Well said. Spending silly money guarantees you nothing, but spotting good talent is invaluable.

Norman
I never thought anyone else would remember that comment ( I can remember who said it) fickle fans mate won't stand up and Say I was wrong!!

Mc-Salerno have some eye, 1 or 2 might not make it but the others make up for them ;)

21 Sep 2014 08:52:31
It's great to come on here & see positive comments - long may it continue!

20 Sep 2014 21:42:52
Great stuff guys? I'm loving it but Shaun Harvey must be rubbing his hands with glee at the thought of banning Cellino. JD

I think cellinio has a plan even if he's found guilty. He's too clever to let this slip from his grasp now

20 Sep 2014 21:02:16
Went to the game today and very impressed with the performance, well done to all the lads. All players played well especially the 4 non MC signings. Austin, Pearce, Warnock & the young lad Cook who had a blinding 1st half. Defence wasn't really tested but the only weak link is possibly Beradi. He looked nervous at times when Bunn was running at him & maybe he just needs a good run in the team to build his confidence.

Nonsense. You weren't there. The new lads did really well, they all did. Berardi should have been subbed at ht. I called it but so what, we won!

{Ed013's Note - I don't think the 2nd was a booking. The ref was blinded by 2 Leeds players and took a guess}

21 Sep 2014 07:39:10
yes but I thought no 30 was there best player good attacking winger should we get him in jan window

1 game don't make you a good player, made that mistake with Thomas Brolin.

If he's good watch & monitor him ;)

Nonsense to you Norman, I said well done to all the lads & they all played well.

20 Sep 2014 19:42:07
Also note fir ed 001 good job Liverpool are doing well with super Henderson who needs swarez? They should buy deplh.

{Ed001's Note - yawn, is that the best you have? You do realise Delph was terrible today as well? This is nothing to do with Suarez, everything to do with a crap keeper and poor management, constantly chopping and changing a side in need of gelling. We miss Studger far more than Jaws, we have a terrible record without Sturridge but never had any problems when the cannibal was out. Still make the most of it, it must be nice being midtable mediocrity in the lower leagues, where no one can see you and nobody cares how you get on..... =op (Having said that, if Rodgers doesn't stop messing about, we will be finding that out next season ourselves!).}

Same keeper and manager as last year is it not I see two differences one is swarez the other is Liverpool picking up points. Gutted as I had sterling as captain in fantasy team have to chop things might bring in Henderson he is that good

I thought this was a Leeds banter site. If it aint, then please advise as I have a load of comments about a premiership and continental clubs.

We could even exchange recipes for potatoes if we are allowed.

20 Sep 2014 23:40:51
Ed001 you think Sturridge is more important to a team than Suarez??
Ludacrious statement.

But far more importantly 3 points today and some great football played. I think Bianchi & Doukara will have very good careers and hope they spend the best part of it with us.

Almost forgot Cook will 100% be a full international within 2 years but obviously not as good or influential as Henderson lol.

{Ed001's Note - how it is ludicrous? Check the respective records of the team with and without Sturridge, then check it with and without Suarez. Amazing how people who don't even watch the team think they know more about it than someone who watches their every game! Stick to MOTD and the bull they spout, because it is clearly where you got your ignorant opinion from. It is easy to look good in highlights, and Suarez was a sensational highlight reel, but there is more to the game than that. Suarez had little in the way of pace to force opposing defences to drop deep, Sturridge is lightning and so they have to drop off, creating space for the midfield to work. Also meaning there is less support for opposing attackers as the midfield have to drop off to keep in touch with the defence. That gives time for Gerrard, who is not a DM by any stretch of the imagination, to pick a pass. It was shown against West Ham how much he struggles without that, as that was the main issue, he was marked out of the game, left no space to operate in and it resulted in a terrible performance and defeat.

One day, when you know something about football, you might be able to stop being a knob and learn to read. Maybe then you will understand the difference between being a vital cog and being a great player, as never once did I say Hendo was great. Sammy Lee was vital to Liverpool for years, he was barely even a good player, but he was vital to the way we played back then. Modern day fans only know the game through numbers on FM or FIFA, that is why you are all so clueless about the actual game and what being vital to a team actually is. Sad trying to have a convo with people whose opinions are so ill informed they are obviously garnered from a few pundits on MOTD or in the papers.}

ED
Think biggest problem is you got 4 so called defenders + Gerrard at the back, sat too deep and asking teams to come at you. From corners ALL the defenders are doing this "zonal marking" opposition player makes a run and the defenders are looking at each other should I mark him or you!!
Not got the foggiest why he bought Lambert if he's only giving him 10 mins every other match!!

Leeds Leeds Leeds ;)

{Ed001's Note - it would help if there were 4 defenders at the back, but Rodgers has both full backs flying forward and having Gerrard drop in between the two centre backs. He is a lot of things Gerrard, but he is no defender and he is not playing the role well at all. As for Lambert, you could say the same of all the summer buys, Rodgers has no idea how to use any of them to get the most from them. Admittedly he didn't choose all the buys, but he still should be able to see them in training and judge how to get the most out of them on the pitch. There is a clear issue with the transfer policy at the club, when you receive a huge sum for selling one player, the best use isn't to go out and buy 9 players with it! That is just asking for issues settling them in, and you don't get the time in England to settle players in easily. Oh and when you have a lot of players needing to gel, you can't then chop and change the team completely from game to game. And if a player is tired after 3 games of the season, then you really need to look at the training routines you are putting him through, rather than resting him, ala Sterling against Villa. Bad management this season has been a major problem. Rodgers seems to have completely forgotten the lessons of early last season and is just repeating the same idiot mistakes.}

Love it!
I reckon they should get rid of Rogers, obviously has no idea what he is doing eh Ed001
Hendo needs to add heading to his repertoire as he got stiffed for the first goal.
Still think Liverpool will rip most teams apart and will defo finish in the top half!

{Ed001's Note - I never said that, he just needs to learn from his mistakes. He did the same things at the beginning of last season, it was only as the season wore on Liverpool started to get going. I was hoping he would just carry on as he left off, rather than revert to the same mistakes. Still, he is a young manager still learning his way in the game, you just have to hope that he does learn when they are your manager.
Henderson is not good in the air, that is true, but he shouldn't be the one doing man marking anyway, not on an opposition centre back who is always going to beat him. Beggars belief that Liverpool keep persisting with that, rather than have one of the better headers of the ball marking the opposition centre halves.}

21 Sep 2014 11:46:48
I apologise in advance for length of comment but needed to get my point across.


Ed001 I thought your earlier comment was ludicrous but you've exceeded yourself.

You want to use stats no problem since stats can be used to prove almost anything, 40% of people know that but seriously.

2013/2014 Suarez v Sturridge

Suarez - 33 league games 31 league goals
Sturridge - 29 league games 21 league goals

Suarez - 12 assists
Sturridge - 7 assists

Suarez - 87 chances created
Sturridge - 29 chances created

Suarez - 4 times Liverpool player of the month
Sturridge - 2 times Liverpool player of the month
(Voted by your own fans who I'm sure watch every minute of every game and as many open training sessions they can get to)

Suarez - Almost every individual honour possible from numerous player of year awards to top scorer awards
Sturridge - No individual awards

A strikers job is to score goals and when possible help others to score goals. I think those stats shows who was more important to Liverpool last year.

You abuse Rodgers for poor management yet 2nd is the highest you have ever finished in the Premiership under any manager and is the closest you have ever being (or will be) to winning the premiership.

Lastly why is alright for you to use abusive language yet when anyone else does it gets edited I won't lower myself to that because I'm a LEEDS fan not a Liverpool one.

{Ed001's Note - so you still don't understand that football is a team game? That says it all and shows why you are still not able to understand a simple point. As for abusive language, grow up, you want to see the crap your foul mouthed fans constantly try and post on here that we editors have to wade through each day, if you think that is abuse. Sensitive little souls on here when it is given back though aren't you? Pathetic how much you lot want to be mollycoddled, when you are happy to give it out all day long. Now give it a rest, you haven't a clue. Those stats showed nothing. Well other than how little you actually understand the reality of a team sport.}

Well I like J B M, and I like Ed001 - but which is best?
There's only one way to find out .

21 Sep 2014 13:57:54
Ed001 You contradict yourself in almost everything you say you seem to be one of those typical Liverpool fans who knows better than the whole world despite not being able to back any argument up and resort to throwing out abuse rather than an intelligent well reasoned though out response.

If it's a team game why do you bang on about missing Sturridge surely with it being a team game you have plenty of other quality players to come in and step up to the plate.

Yes football is a team game but made up of individuals and almost every single team in the entire world has certain players which are incredibly difficult to replace but your sheer stubbornness or possibly lack of football knowledge won't allow you to understand that Sturridge isn't anywhere near on the same level as Suarez.

If it was Sturridge you had sold to Barcelona you'd be shouting about he wasn't that good and you have still Suarez.

It's unfortunate but your mentality will never change your never wrong and everything you say is gospel.

Thank god our Ed has the capacity to have an intelligent debate and realises we all can make mistakes.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? How am I contradicting myself? Perhaps you would care to explain how? I have said all along Suarez is the better player, but again you are far too obsessed with your own intelligence to be able to read what I have said and understand it. The difference is that Sturridge is far more integral to the style of play, as is Henderson. It is not my fault you fail to grasp a simple concept and resort to idiotic comments which don't even have anything to do with the discussion in hand anyway. We all know Suarez scored and assisted more, but you fail to mention that they came against weaker sides and that they were normally in a heavy win, with little actual overall difference to the result. Whereas Sturridge was often scoring the odd goal that made a draw become a win. His pace also allows the midfield to have the space to work. Difficult to see that kind of thing on MOTD though I am sure. There is a reason most opposition fans were calling Suarez a flat track bully last season, despite his impressive stats, he wasn't doing it in the big games.}

21 Sep 2014 16:18:41
Ed001 - You've amazingly done it agian you've managed to contradict yourself within another statement.

You say Suarez didn't do it in the big games yet he managed 5 goals against teams who finished in the top 6 last season whereas the prolific Sturridge managed a whopping 2, not much of a return from such an integral part of a team.

But I think your probably right Sturridge was far more important than Suarez to Liverpool last season that's why he won the Liverpool fans player of the year and the Liverpool players player of the year. oh wait no that was Suarez.

Guess your on your own there lad with your opinion your own fans and your own players disagree with you (not to mention probably every pundit on the planet), but hey never mind everyone else could be wrong and you still have Henderson.

{Ed001's Note - being important is not the same as being the best player, can you not read, or are you just a bit simple? How is it differing when I have said Suarez was the better player? That doesn't make him the most important. The goalkeeper position is vital, but that doesn't mean it is the best player on the team does it? Sorry is this a little difficult for you to follow? Obviously I am wasting my time trying to explain, you are clearly incapable of understanding this simple concept. Please just give up, you are just wasting my time with your ridiculous replies. This is just idiocy now. It is pointless wasting my time discussing something with someone who is incapable of understanding anything said to them. You may as well just make up in your head what you think I have said in reply in future, as you pretty much do that anyway, as you clearly are not reading my replies. This is just boring now, move on, because it is pointless.}

Thought this was Leeds Banter site............................... :-)

MM

{Ed003's Note - Leeds are just a small cog in the beautiful game we all like MM - personally I love doing the Leeds site because I find you realistic and not as insular delusional fans like some, So what's wrong with bringing general football/other clubs into debates ( I know we have the main site for that but very few use it for banter/debates - maybe posters could use it if they want to.}

Fair doo's Ed. Just having my two penneth!

MM

{Ed003's Note - So was I MM lol ;-) }

Who said Sundays are boring?!

20 Sep 2014 19:31:21
What a turn around, from that hideous display against Millwall to todays demolition of another side. Absolutley buzzing :) Play offs are a definite target for this season, we have the potential imo

Oh and three cheers for Antenucci ;)

20 Sep 2014 23:28:04
Probably because the team that played Millwall were last year's rubbish, rather than the new signings.

20 Sep 2014 18:54:32
Our Aunite Lucy and the Dook are getting better with each game IMO and will tear this league apart. Great stuff today all over the park. I couldn't see the sense in selling Smith but we don't need him. We can now change a game with personnel rather than desperate tactics. Long may it continue lads, the revolution has started. Long live the revolution!

MM

Ps - where are the posters who said we are going down after the first game of the season? Lol

20 Sep 2014 20:03:32
Now you're going to believe us, we going to win the

Posters still here. Love we are doing well. If you go back my posts were not about McCain or players as always rated them. Just saying hock had the ability to get any team relocated. Don't want to hash up old stuff as hock gone and we have gone on to better things but stand by what I said and glad we are doing well and think we will go up

BM you actually had us relegated after our first game. Now you've got us going up. What a turn around. I mean you no malice but it was a bit of a stupid comment so early in the season don't you think?

MM

Not stupid at all. Head coach or managers are most important person my example is palace under Holloway religated under pulls were europa league. Leeds under hock religated imo hinder decent coach going up. What makes me possibly right, hocks record at forest green and our results since left. People can dissagree and arguments for or against but I think this our squad and Mc are great hock is able to take any team down think far from stupid

MM
Quite a few had us relegated and spouting we need to spend money, these foreign players no-one has EVER heard of won't help us. (We need PROVEN) championship players, you pay peanuts you get monkeys!!
IM not going to ER until we sign quality.
Why sell Ross and not replace him bla bla bla
The closet must be bursting at the seams ;)

True Andy. I'm not the kinda guy to say I told you so as I also know that two or three bad results and all the positivity will soon vanish. Myself and others (you included) said that we would improve and not go down. We signed virtually a new squad and if they hit the ground running that would have been a miracle but very unlikely. I am surprised they have started to gel this quick and that has got to be a complement to Redders and dare I say it Hock! Not that I expect many to agree, oh well c'est la vie!

MM

MM
I agree 100% with your reply but apart from the Bournemouth result we haven't come up against or beaten a decent side yet. So as far as i'm concerned although i'm loving the positivity and the nice football I still think its top half of the table for us with a BIG push for promo next season, saying that we know the championship 4 or 5 wins a bit of confidence and who knows ;)

20 Sep 2014 18:23:28
I would like to apologise to Mr Rudy Austin for saying he should be benched he has been brilliant in midfield in the last three games so I am a man who will gratefully swallow the words I said!👍 👍 👍 m.o.t

I have to agree. I said recently he was our worst ever midfielder and those words sound utterly stupid now!
Eddie Gray said it ages ago that an attacking role suits him more. He hasn't got the passing to be holding CM but can use his pace and energy when running forward. I just hope he keeps it up this time. Mot.

Darren/Cork
Hats off to you both, it takes a boy to criticise someone but a MAN to admit his he was wrong ;)

20 Sep 2014 18:00:33
Thats the team up and running, Great job REDDERS what a feeling, to win at home and a team working together, defence was great today the warrior and his cheeky chip at the keeper.Warnocks got new life from somewhere, They kept a clean sheet, All were very good apart from barardis sending off. We have a luxury with players on the sidelines to step in, the midfield has played better and more balanced since murphy got suspended, bianchi is a revalation, great vision and passing ability.cook gets better every game and so quick footed.We have players to come in to change things around in midfield, sloth played a blinder today.There are other players not played yet, adryan, montenegro, etc. Antinucci and the duke . . . Let the Good Times Roll''''''''''''''************************

20 Sep 2014 17:11:11
If we can achieve what we have with a team of strangers and a coach who isn't up to the job at this level imagine what we can achieve with a really good coach!

Early days but I think he's proving he is up to the job and will prove invaluable to the next manager, team selection and substitutions are good as well, if Adryan is as good as they say, suprised he hasn't give him a run out yet, but last 3 results have been excellent, onwards and upwards, MOT.

20 Sep 2014 17:02:08
I know it's early days but we are looking good. Great too see football. I was so excited before the match. And the boys deliverd. Great squad not just first team. Happy days

20 Sep 2014 15:53:24
I love my Aunty Lucy

20 Sep 2014 15:27:05
After 6 countries 58 hours flying and 6 time zones finally at dubai waiting for flight home. Looks like me visiting elland rd has got boys on a winning. Just been examining table and I reckon 3 places in top 6 abailable. Rudi got us going today! i'm getting excited boys! Could be good year!

Just hope Donni Darko takes a lot of advice from NR, thank you Neil you've done a fantastic job in these four games.

20 Sep 2014 12:09:00
Here are some Darko facts for you

he has a 50.3% win record with 25.6% loss.

When was the last time we had a manager with over a 50% win ratio?

Only been in management a few years and only has 386 games as manager/coach.
Transfermarket gives him a management score of 3.5

Out of the 386 games in charge used 127 different players also likes to give youth a chance the youngest débutante being 16yrs 4 months old. If your good enough your old enough.

To give some numbers for perspective win ratio's
B mcdermott 43%
neil wornock 39%
S grayson 42%
terry venables 49%
Sir bobby robson 49% (just thought I would throw him in to see)
Don Revie 56.5%


Ahh yes he has a 1.44 goal per game average too. with a 1.95 in the fist half. That is for sure something we need.

Supposed to speak 5 languages

plays a 4, 4, 2 or a 4, 1, 3, 2 looks for fast attacking football.

Said to be paying off sturm to get out of his contract to come to LUFC. (paying them off himself!)

With 1.44 pr match and still 1.95 in the first half he REALLY seems like the magician we need.

Great post Spain.

20 Sep 2014 13:24:18
It is said he speaks 5 languages and yet Phil Hay says he can't speak English? surely English would be 1 of the 5?

Good post pal some decet knowledge.